BREAKING POLL SHOCK – Labour plunge + TOP over 5%
NO FUCKING WAY! LATEST ROY MORGAN!
National – 30.5
Labour – 26.5
Greens – 12.5
ACT – 10
NZF – 11
TOP – 6
TPM – 2.5
LABOUR PLUNGES 7.5%!!!!!!
It’s a mother fucking shocker on the mother fucking rocker.
We screamed.
And screamed.
And screamed.
Into the faces of the Labour Party machine telling them they must make meaningful policy that makes a fundamental difference in the lives of Kiwis but the incremental mandarins of Labour said no.
We warned them that if they refused to bring policy there would be back;ash and the 7.5% plunge is that day of reckoning.
For the last time – GET YOUR FUCKING POLICY OUT!
Will Labour once again have the Wellington Mandarins choke them out with the incrementalism that ruined Jacinda?
Yes.
There are those in Labour who prefer to control the losing party than risk losing control of the winning Party and they are reaping the bitter harvest of failure.
The most fascinating insight however is not Labour’s implosion it is that TOP are now over the 5% threshold with 6%!
TDB has argued this was a real possibility and now here we are.
The Labour Party better be on the phone to TOP.
The demographics continue to tell us that the Left are still losing male support thanks to our woke middle class identity politics activists who have driven men into the arms of the reactionary right.
For the love of fuck Labour – GET YOUR POLICY OUT NOW!
Be warned. TOP is here only to look more appealing than Winston / Jones.
A vote for them as Gareth Morgan planned all along is to capture the middle upper bracket resentment for their vote in the knowledge that they continue to uphold the current neoliberal framework that is failing to ensure they can sleep at night knowing they have voted as their conscience has been calmed that TOP will make all the free market monsters disappear in coalition with the parties that created those terrible monsters in the first place.
TOP is only window-dressing the failure of the system they still support and repackage it for the utterly incompetent who can’t stand seeing the degradation and misery the current economic establishment and want all those economic refugees to simply fade away.
It won’t matter based on this poll if Labour are on the phone to TOP or not. Q has stated they will go with the party with the most votes. That’s where the danger of supporting centrists lies.
Early days yet.
All Labour need to do to win the next election is:
– Distance themselves as much as they can from the Greens and TPM
– Openly acknowledge that NZ is going to shit and offer some real suggestions on how to turn the ship around
– Drop all the woke shit
– Concentrate on the cost of living crisis
– Drill into the Nats about their total failure to get NZ economy ‘back on track’
– Get back to their roots of championing average NZ worker
But they won’t.
Although TOP over five percent is encouraging, Roy Morgon polls are high variance. I am waiting for more polls before reaching conclusions.
This poll leaves voters with a bleak choice. On the one hand, a National Party committed to deepening the market-driven policies that have already failed. On the other, a Labour Party that has abandoned even the pretense of offering an alternative. The result is a political landscape in which the major parties are converging, not diverging
” Labour needs a Norm Kirk ”
Norman Kirk would never lead these bunch of drongo’s masquerading as the party of the working class. In fact he would see it as an insult to lead a party that full of people who have become the enemy he was against.
Labour have polices but none of them will address our current situation and decline. It will be a re run of their last two years in government when when in power they had no answers for the current crisis and offered up meaningless minor policy promises then were voted out and made way for something even worse.
This from Against the Current. It sums up this poll result and the dire situation we face politically.
” NEW ZEALAND is heading toward yet another grim general election, and the mood of the country reflects it. After years of economic stagnation, rising hardship, and a political class that seems incapable of imagining anything beyond the narrow confines of the market, voters are once again being told that their only choice is between two parties who differ more in tone than in substance. The economic status quo has failed working people, yet Labourβs pitch is not to overturn it, challenge it, or even question it. Instead, Labour is offering to ‘manage’ the same failing system slightly better than National. That is the full extent of its ambition ”
There it is, laid out plainly. No talk of offering an economic alternative. No recognition that the neoliberal framework of the past four decades is the source of the crisis. No willingness to confront the structural failures that have produced soaring inequality, a cost-of-living crisis, and a generation locked out of secure housing. Instead, Hipkins is signalling that Labourβs priority is not to challenge National but to work with it. The message to voters is unmistakable: a vote for Labour is a vote for a LabourβNational alliance in everything but name.
https://nzagainstthecurrent.blogspot.com/2026/05/vote-labour-for-labour-national-alliance.html
Some of Labour’s support has probably drifted to TOP; what is there not to like about a $400/w UBI. However, beneficiaries will have no reason to vote for TOP given that the latter are wanting to cancel benefits and replace them with the UBI payments, which, even with top ups will leave them no better off than they are now. Perhaps Labour should offer a better UBI, one which retains existing benefits while adding the UBI payments, as recommended by Guy Standing*.
*Guy Standing: Basic Income, a guide for the open minded (library reference 331.236 STA)
Presumably this poll was conducted prior to the budget.
BE A WINNER LIKE MAMDANI, AND WIN IN ’26
New Zealand is being milked
If they want to win, the NZ Labour Party could do worse than copy Zohran Mandani’s election winning strategy.
According to global wealth statistics, which are counted in US dollars, New Zealand has 347,000 millionaires, (even more if counted in NZ dollars)
“….In 2021, there were 347,000 US-dollar millionaires in New Zealand β thatβs 113,000 more than the previous year.”
Mamdani’s election winning platform:
Tax the rich
Free the Buses
Freeze the Rents.
Free Universal childcare
Raise mimimum wage to $30
Publicly owned grocery stores.
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
New York – has 8 million people
New Zealand – has 5 million people
New York – has 400,000 millionaires
New Zealand – has 347,000 millionaires
If Democratic Socialist Zohran Mamdani can do it, so can the New Zealand Labour Party.
From NZ Advisor, NZA;
You’re probably in the top 10% wealthiest in the world β here’s why
By Mina Martin, 05 Oct 2022
https://www.mpamag.com/nz/news/general/youre-probably-in-the-top-10-wealthiest-in-the-world-heres-why/422802
This might surprise you, but youβre probably one of the top 10% wealthiest people in the world. And if you own a house in a nice Auckland suburb without a mortgage, you might even make it to the top 1%
….. – According to recent data from Credit Suisse, New Zealandβs mean wealth per adult increased by US$114,290 (NZ$202,000) to US$472,150, while the median lifted to US$231,260, up NZ$57,920, ranking it third globally, Stuff reported.
……In 2021, there were 347,000 US-dollar millionaires in New Zealand β thatβs 113,000 more than the previous year. Globally, there were 62.5 million.
New Zealand was among the top 10 in terms of the biggest growth in millionaires in 2021. The country was home to 2.126 million people in the top 10% richest globally and 281,000 in the top 1%.
…..According to Stats NZ, New Zealandersβ household median net worth was at $397,000 in mid-2021, up 21% from 2018. The data also showed the top 20% of Kiwi households held 69% of the countryβs net worth…..
Not feeling it?
New Zealand has more millionaires per head of population than New York, if the Labour Party want to win this election Labour need to grow a pair – and tax the rich.
How can they do that?
Many many of their Auckland and Wellington supporters are in that professional managerial class. And many a Labour supporting nurse or teacher who bought a house in Auckland 25 years ago is now a millionaire through no fault of their own!
Soooooo happy for TOP! Iβve been with them since about 2018 and the are the adults in the room. Forget 6%β¦β¦10%is just round the corner!
Labour oh dear. It is the smaller parties that would make the real difference if we could boost their numbers, the Greens and TPM.
So…? Hipkins? Heard of neoliberalism have you?
If not, go and ask roger douglas what it is. Ask him to cast his mono-rail mind back to when he was Labour’s minister of finance. You know… before he shat out ACT then waded knee deep through it while shoveling your money into his and his besties pocketsessssssssssssssssss…
FYI fucker.
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_New_Zealand
Te TΕ«Δpapa Kura KΔinga – Ministry of Housing and Urban Development
https://www.hud.govt.nz/stats-and-insights/homelessness-outlook/homelessness-indicators
Bomber they dont have any real policies that will make significant changes for the low paid, benny’s and those on fixed incomes. 3 free DR visits does not cut it.
And Hipkins goes around the country with a smile on his face covered in T sauce after another sausage role as if he had already one. Wake up you pathetic bastards or a whole number of you won’t be in Parliaments for Xmas. Now that might scare them into action. Shame on the house of Labour.
Why the shock?You only have to look at what is happening in the world .Farage in the UK ,Trump ,and now Pauline Hansen in AUS .The stupid squeezed middle voted the last government out for a $2 tax cut which added billions to the debt .They also were stupid enough to think they were all going to be mini Luxons and would be sorted by now .The government was elected on race baiting and will ride the world wide anti immigration wave this election as we can see from NZ first .The squeezed middle will jump to blame immigration for the fail of their property grab in 2021 and the losses they now face .Then there are the anti vax and other anti health nut jobs who would rather we play dumb instead of playing the prevention is better than cure card .
Oh no – DER, not another Morgan BS poll?! Will they ever stop trying to ‘con’ us into believing this evil National party is ahead on votes? They clearly use the same dumb-assed data base of RW voters and off they go again! If smart thinking Kiwis believe this then they have very low moral values and are thick to boot. Appears “brains” don’t always accompany “money”! Our Gov. Gen. should have ensured the lying, deceitful, forked-tongue, motor-mouth, Luxon, had gone by now! So why is he still there? Hipkins, time to bring out your most intelligent, meaningful policies for our country and all its people. If you can’t do this now, then find your next best colleague! We are past marking time.
The true hurt does it . What meaning full and intelligent policies has Labour got this time .There was not much of worth in their last 6 year reign.
Literacy and education to start with and judging by your comment, you need it desperately!
“the true hurts”
“meaning full”
Fuck me.
If the truth is told it will most certainly be this National coalition losing in November.
Just having driven the length of the country over the past month or so talking to a wide variety of people and the impression i got was that nobody is happy with the clown show that we have had to endure over the past 2 and a half years.
And now we see massive vertical signs have up been put up on J C Decaux billboards along major motorways, which would be costing a fortune, stating Labour Long Term pain- National Long Term Plan….pathetic!…it’s actually a really week unimaginative shoot yourself in the foot line to run considering that National have clearly demonstrated that they have no coherent plan whatsoever….but then..
what would you expect from National….”Get The Country Back On Track”… also pathetic…they have done no such thing… and look at the mess…
There’s huge fuel there for Labour.They need to counterpunch them straight away…
Of course it’s a load of gaslighting bull shit .
One answer, of many, is to place a big fat NO! in front of each line.
Good-bye Chippy.
Come on Labour. He’d still be there to help and advise, but letting him lose this election, for our country, is tantamount to treason.
There should be no doubt that Labour will win. Anyone with a brain must think that.
So, this hit and miss rubbish with polls has got to stop.
Labour needs to be decisively looking to win from now on.
Make the hard decision and stop faffing about giving us all heart attacks. The health system won’t cope.
Labour needs a Norm Kirk.
I think Chippy is intelligent and articulate and certainly interviews way better than Clusterfuk but whereβs the mongrel? Is Chippy this decades Bill Rowling?
My fear is that it might not be a case of poor timing when it comes to policy. Good policies delivered relatively late should still bring the votes. My fear is that once again they have nothing better than “no gst on fruit and veges”
Exactly what kind of workers party allows tax on the food required to provide energy to be a worker.
NO GST ON FOOD!
So simple, no gst on any type of food sold in a dairy or supermarket.
Nothing matters when we have a leader that makes Bill English look like David Lange on steroids!