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  1. Ombudsman to look at it, TVNZ news.
    Finally, someone they can’t slither away from and ignore.
    We HOPE!

  2. There was no climate law creating the tort.
    Deciding to hear Smith’s case was a judicial frolic by the Supreme Court making it up as it went because the court members wanted to be significant and important- just like the real Supreme Court.

    But in our constitution arrangements, parliament is sovereign and the SC doesn’t get to make up whole new areas of law, especially where Parliament has passed laws.

    The case was idiotic. Suing only seven companies for climate change is nonsense because there are a lot more companies that emit carbon, and that’s just in NZ.

    Smith suing KFC, Cadbury, Nestle and the Chelsea Sugar Co. for causing obesity in his iwi makes as much sense.

    1. Well, given that the Supreme Court decided to hear the case I would say you’re completely wrong.

      Unless you think you know better than people with decades of legal experience.

      But you do, because you’re a fucking moron.

      That was quite the essay to assert that you know better than experienced professionals.

      Next time you go to the doctor, ignore everything they say and do whatever Luxon recommends. I’m sure your stupidity will lessen.

      1. The court of appeal also has decades of legal experience and they decided that the case had absolutely no merit. As did the High Court.

        On what basis – in your expert opinion – would damages be determined and awarded?

        What about other Major NZ emitters? And what about overseas emitters? Don’t their emissions count towards our climate change?

        1. Did the other emitters lobby the Prime minister directly as the other corporations did? That we will never know. What the evidence shows is that the law was changed after the corporations met with government officials.

          1. No, the law was changed after the government realised the Supreme Court was trying to create a whole new area of tort law, an area where Parliament and the Executive is already active.

            Those corporations just pointed that out.

        2. Regardless of the merits of the case, Luxon has been exposed as a corrupt liar.

          As if we needed any further evidence of that assertion.

          Vote. Them. Out.

        3. Unlike you, I’m not claiming to have any legal experience. I think you’ve only just heard the word tort which is why you’re running it out like some talisman to protect your obvious ignorance.

          And if you weren’t an ignorant poser you’d understand that appeals can proceed to a higher court.

          It’s called due process. A legal process that should be available to everyone.

          Oh look, centuries people with decades of legal experience who don’t agree with anything you’ve said:

          “The New Zealand Bar Association is calling on the government to reconsider proposed legislation to prevent companies from being sued over damage caused by greenhouse gas emissions.
          It said the overuse of retrospective legislation to remove existing rights or claims “creates a bigger more general uncertainty and unpredictability for citizens” than the uncertainty the government says its trying to remove.”

          https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/596396/nz-bar-association-calls-for-government-to-reconsider-changing-climate-law-to-prevent-lawsuits

          Maybe wipe the cum off your face once you’ve taken a load from the CoC. It’s unbecoming.

          1. You don’t comprehend much, do you?

            If you read closely what the bar association wrote, it is not backing the Smith case going to court, it’s saying that overuse of retrospective legislation to remove rights creates more uncertainty than allowing the case to proceed.

            The bar association is correct in one sense, but no minister thought when they passed the climate change act that an activist SC would develop and endorse environmental lawfare.

    2. “There was no climate law creating the tort.
      Deciding to hear Smith’s case was a judicial frolic by the Supreme Court making it up as it went because the court members wanted to be significant and important- just like the real Supreme Court.”

      Jesus Christ, that’s a very long right wing bow to draw a conclusion on.
      That’s like saying you are batshit crazy with a conspiracy theory from outer space.

      Stick to facts darling rather than assumptions and you may come across better because otherwise you are simply embarrassing yourself.

  3. I have no reason to like or support Mike Smith especially when my home faces One Tree Hill [Maungakiekie] and I cringe because there is no ‘one tree’ any more. However Luxon believes the law doesn’t apply to him. He is such a liar I can’t believe what he gets away with! How have we sunk so LOW? How have we got this apology for a PM? How in the hell can we get rid of him when there is no-one any better in his ranks? It sure tells the abysmal story about this CoC-up and its desperate, arrogant MP’s. Why can’t normally intelligent people see this? It’s so obvious it’s embarrassing!

    1. That’s how a lot of people feel apparently, myself included. We didn’t care that it wasn’t a native tree. We just liked the brave resilient tree that stood there in that inhospitable environment for as long as we could remember.
      However, it’s not about Smith and what you think of what he did decades ago.
      It’s about the process of law and the underhanded deal we are getting from this present CoC govt.
      All week I have been trying convince a friend of this but he’s still resentful of Smith’s actions and refuses to see the wider picture, now.
      How do we get through to people that this present dodgy activity which our useless PM is engaging in, is much more important than theis lingering annoyance at Smith.
      The present corrupt shambles is a pattern of behaviour which this govt. is noted for and which is dangerous and extremely dishonest.
      If I worked in the PM’s office I’d be feeling pretty annoyed that my boss was actually inferring dishonesty or incompetence on my part, by denying any such papers ever existed.
      The Dirty Politics of the Luxon govt. will become as notorious at the DTs of the Shonkey govt.

  4. It’s hard to take our PM seriously when he maintains that corporate lobbyists had no role is determining their climate policies.

    In other words, Luxon is lying.

    Firstly – Remove money and lobbyists from politics already.

    Secondly- Redesign parliament so it has a second house or citizens assembly that can reduce the all-powerful sovereign nature of our current and highly unusual political structure.

    Thirdly – Boot these corrupt bastards out of power.