Judith 100% wrong on koha – 100% right on Rachel Stewart

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Judith is 100% wrong on criticizing the HRC for paying $200 Koha to the Mongrel Mob!

We want the HRC to reach out to all people in NZ, gangs included and koha is an important cultural norm in Aotearoa and we should be grateful that Maori culture have gifted us this.

Complaining about this is beneath the mana of the Leader of the Opposition.

Judith’s support of Rachel Stewart however is horribly smart politics.

With National gaining traction on the disastrously ill defined Hate Speech fiasco, they have in Rachel the poster girl of middle NZ fears of woke over reach.

Rachel is a gun safety advocate, a staunch lesbian feminist, a hunter and former President of Federated Farmers. To have the Police harass her and seize her guns because of a Twitter fight with woke activists is the kind of moment Judith dreams about!

The Woke are literally handing ammunition to the right!

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77 COMMENTS

  1. In my mind Judith is right on both points.
    To my understanding the gift of a Koha gives mana to the recipient. If we are to beat these gangs we need to remove their appeal to young people.
    Gangs will continue until the government tackle their appeal as a replacement family and a way out of poverty.

    • There are much bigger gangs in our society that we should be worried about. I have always thought Rotary are a gang really, you know they decide what in their eyes are worthy causes. They are all middle class wankers who do not want real change, so they tinker with the poor.

      Gangs will indeed continue so long as we continue having poor in our society, a wealthy country with people living in cars how outrageous.

      Of course the Human Rights commissioner should have given a koha it is tikanga in Maori society.

      • What social active group are you involved in . How many nights and weekends have you given up, to help those in need .
        What part of Maori society are the Mongrel Mob

        • Spoken like someone who has no idea about how the gangs came about, and how they became part of the landscape, even after periods of relatively competent government… You’ve heard of the Cosa Nostra, or the various mafias all around the world, haven’t you? They call them “family” for a reason, and the gangs here are the same way, as in whoever ones dad was attached to is who you get attached to.. The gangs are now inter-generational entities, and no matter what various governments do to them, or for them they will exist.. Am getting so tired of the lack of realistic perspective that pervades what passes for political discussion here.. It’s no wonder the tory press is still succeeding in telling lie after lie, and getting cut through… They know that the plan to mushroom as many as is required to stop meaningful discussion has been a raging success…

          • So what exactly is your point Stefan? Following your “family” rationale, the Italian government should be getting together with the Camorra and giving them donations? I believe in recent years the Italian govt has been trying to do pretty much the opposite i.e. distance itself from organized crime.

  2. The fool should have donated $200 of his own money if he was so impressed with them. Marama Davidson was there too and she didn’t give koha.

    The bottom line here is that he’s useless and tone deaf. Not only should he be fired, I question the existence of the role, because it achieves nothing.

    • LOL. Hunt was a woke disciple before they constructed their own church. Was a horrible, political decision for the role and as expected providing a headache for the government of the day.

    • “koha is an important cultural norm in Aotearoa and we should be grateful that Maori culture have gifted us this.”

      Don’t be precious Martyn. Every culture I’ve known has an equivalent of “koha”, there’s nothing uniquely Maori about it.

    • If he really cared Hunt could have whipped up a batch of nutritious muffins or vegan scones. Couldn’t ask a minion to do it as I gather that the Human Rights Commission doesn’t get along with itself.

  3. Koha is fine (though there’s nothing particularly Maori about it other than the name) the concern is that the MM are a criminal gang doing immense damage with their P supply, violence and theft. Until they renounce and reform those aspects of their culture and behaviour our HRC should be a lot more circumspect with their support, tiny as it was. It’s rather unusual that the guest speaker should feel any obligation to donate but he is a strange wee man.

  4. Having been personally assaulted in the past by the “might MM the idea of the taxpayer handing that bunch of hardened crims any money at all is a no go.

    Would it be acceptable to give The national front (for example) a cash donation saying “thanks”?

    I think not

  5. There are some other interesting parallels between these two happenings :
    the HR commissioner himself is said to be a driving force behind the hate speech laws , wanting them done behind closed doors lest the public get wind of it and object – so which humans get Human Rights in NZ? Only some apparently.

    Ask yourself what would happen to a licensed firearms owner if they were found to have given a gift/ donation/koha to a gang? But ok fir the guy who wants to take your free speech?
    Even the Greens didn’t give a koha to a gang.

    It seems the rule of law is to be applied to some but not all.

  6. Don’t have a problem with the koha. We need to model respectful behaviour to the gangs.

    Judith could really play her cards right with standing up for free speech and Standing up for women.
    The only two women in Parliament who are standing up for women around debates such as gender self id are Judith C and Jo Luxton. They may well get my vote. A year ago that statement would have been unthinkable to me.
    We have a Minister of Women who want meet with women who oppose the gender self id bill and in the main ignores their letters. Voting Labour is now a bridge too far for me.

  7. I think the koha was fine if it wasnt a meth dealing gang.
    We need to stop linking Maori and gangs.
    Not all us Maoris are gang members and most of us find it repugnant as they deal meth and commit other organised crime.

  8. I think Judith correct on both counts.
    At least you know where you stand with Judith which is refreshing.

  9. Cannot really see how donating money, public or otherwise to a criminal organisation is good in any sense.

    But just maybe Paul Hunt wants a monogrammed gun in his name for the next drive-by shooting! “Kindly donated by Paul Hunt”.

    Collins is right. Hunt is a dipstick who needs to get a real job away from the public.

    • Typical, you didn’t answer the question.

      Gee, whizzz, jolly John, seems you and Collins are cut from the same cloth.
      Gosh John you seem obsessed by attacking the Labour government or is that possessed?

    • Obsessed massively with Key to the point it has to be unhealthy.
      That’s unless his planet works a lot differently than Earth, which it appears it does judging by many of his posts.

  11. Bert she was later cleared so Key I guess was wrong.
    My point is can we talk about what is taking place and not issues of some years ago.
    Key is no longer there.
    I’m pointing out where I think the Labour Party is betraying its voter base and I’m not alone in that on this site.

    • “Collins resigns over Serious Fraud Office ‘distraction’
      To top off a disastrous year, Collins resigned in 2014 following the release of a 2011 email in which Cameron Slater insinuated Collins was out to get another public servant.

      In this, the email said, Collins was “gunning for” Adam Feeley – the Director of the Serious Fraud Office (SFO), an agency she was the appointed minister for.”

      Probably why she has a divided caucus John.

      As for the here and now, I’m completely happy with the government in their attempt on housing and poverty, why? because they are at least trying and I don’t give into sensationalism headlines like gullible people like you do John. At the end of the day haters will always be haters.
      What are your solutions John, your quick on soundbites John but like the National party very slow on solutions.

    • Let’s talk about now then John. Tell me what is wrong with the hate speech policy, what is wrong with Labour attempting to build houses, to actually house people, other than in cars? Actually what is wrong with any of their policies other than Labour bad, or the ministers are terrible, because that’s where you come across as a broken record with so many generalised statements, and I’m not alone on this site whom think your a bit thick.

      I’m all for opinions but this is very simple…

      e.g..”Frank the Tank thanks.
      You are correct.”

  13. Bert I answer all questions asked of me?
    Remember you wanted cut and paste I referred you to real estate data showing the spectacular property price hikes under the current Ardern Government making the rich richer.I didn’t need to refer you anywhere given its the lead story often in mainstream media.I mean really I thought most everyone in New Zealand is aware we have a red hot property market?
    Then Carrick Tremains cartoon captured all of Arderns failings in a picture.

    • Wow such vile and anger John, what has happened to you , gosh.
      The media is right wing, so of course it’s in the mainstream media, even a numpty like you should know that.

      • Bert, if the media is so right wing why do you keep providing us with links to said media?
        You’re a troll. Here’s some food.

          • Kheala, interesting that you read my comment and then incorrectly stated what I said. I haven’t read the manifesto.
            Left wingers call hitler right wing. Right wingers call hitler left wing.
            See my point?

            • Here is the comment, c/p from above link:

              Off white March 30, 2021 at 6:16 pm
              If we could read the manifesto we would probably conclude that the Christchurch shooter is left wing.

  14. Mikhal you are wrong comparing Rotary with a criminal organisation.
    In 1985 Rotary committed to ridding the world of polio.
    At the time 360000 cases were notified each year and polio was endemic throughout Africa and much of Asia.
    Since then Rotarians have raised USD2.1billion to purchase vaccines and provide medical staff to deliver.
    Last year, despite COVID, only around 130 new cases were notified as Nigeria was declared polio free leaving only Pakistan and Afghanistan where it remained endemic.
    As at 23 April this year a grand total of two cases have been notified, one in each of the endemic nations.
    For only the second time in human history are we on the verge of completely eradicating a disease, the last time behind smallpox late last century.
    Rotary is committing USD100million each year until polio is beaten.
    Hardly the work of a bunch of middle class do Gooders.
    In NZ Rotarians volunteer time and money to help underprivileged kids pay for schooling, provide scholarships and have a range of live changing courses along the lines of the Spirit of Adventure.
    In Tauranga Rotary volunteers have planted over 100000 natives to rejuvenate a wasteland and are working on a range of environmental projects.
    Rotary founded Cure Kids in 1971 to provide research into kids health.
    There would not be a town in NZ that has not benefitted with skate board parks, bus shelters and other community facilities paid for by Rotary volunteers.
    Mikhal I suggest you contact your local Rotary club to see just what they do. You might just decide to join.
    And despite what many people think Rotarians are not wealthy people but rather community minded individuals who want to make a real difference.
    You need to get out a bit more.

  15. Okay, so I have just been to a team meeting where we discussed a few things about work, all good, nothing to worry about. Then one of the kiddies ( 20 something, 1st year out of varsity), brought up something about adding our preferred pronouns to our email signature.

    I made the mistake of having an opinion. I don’t think it’s necessary for me, but if other people feel the need I’m absolutely supporting of their desire to add their preferred pronouns. To which I was told that “I’m a white middle aged fat man”, her words not mine. I was also told That I would be reported for “hate speech” to HR. My crime as well as not adding my pronouns to my signature, I refused to answer the following question; “ do you believe that Transwomen are real women”, she was upset with me when I told her that 1) she should not be asking that type of question & 2) I did not have to answer it.

    Needless to say, she had to go home “sick”

    • I had a similar convo with a youngish lady today. She was going on about how there should be “protected” groups of people based on race, gender, religion etc

      I made the mistake of suggesting that all people ought to be given the same (equal) protections under the law and no one should be given any special treatment.

      well that didn’t go down vey well…

    • Terry – If she said you were a fat man, that is body shaming, which is hate speech, and in due course you should be able to go to the police about that – which is where we’re at now.

      If she said you were middle aged, that sounds like age-ism and therefore hate speech, so you could do her for that also.

      If she said you are white, and you are, then you could be in trouble there, mate.It does sound sort of racist to me, but you white males are the new baddies and race-changing could be a whopping challenge, so you may have to leave the country.

      She’s a classless little cow saying that at a team meeting to try and publicly diminish you. It’s the young ones who are doing it utterly clueless of context, and motivated to hurt. Another forty-something man told of being accused of making a racist comment,saying of his accuser,” But she’s young.” That’s no excuse for bullying, it’s scary, and management should be having all work meetings competently chaired. Kia kaha.

  17. ‘Rachel is a gun safety advocate, a staunch lesbian feminist, a hunter and former President of Federated Farmers.’
    Sounds pretty far right to me, by woke and Bert standards.

    • I don’t know too many ” gun safety advocates” who make jokes about shooting people with guns.

      • She doesn’t mention shooting anyone in her tweet, she uses the word hunt. Hunt has a number of definitions, including “Search determinedly for someone or something”.

        When someone stole from me, I spent a lot of effort hunting them down. So when we found them and they were dragged out of their house in their socks on a sunny Sunday morning by over half a dozen “gun toting” individuals, no one was shot & I merely smiled to myself.

        • Richard Slade – So this is what it’s come to is it ? That the shrinks and linguists in the New Zealand Police have to analyse the language of every single possible threat to check that they’re not starting a joke ?

          I suppose this is why the BLM zealots want to defund the police and replace them with social workers and touchy-feely therapists. It could be a bit cold and time- consuming for them negotiating gang stand-offs in Courtney Place on a cold night, but at least a woke politician in a strip club would not have to interrupt her evening to come out and ask them to explain themselves to her.

          Meanwhile, the cops can explain away violent crime by saying that they thought it was all a big joke. Sure, that would work out just fine.

          • That’s the problem when you have to divine vague intentions from language that has multiple potential meanings, especially with text where a lot of the cues that indicate satire, hummer, sarcasm etc are missing. Having said that, the Police will mostly do sfa, there just aren’t the resources, just ask yourself when was the last time you showed your drivers license to a Police Officer or if you’ve had something stolen, did they ever arrest someone for the crime?

            • Richard Slade – My experiences with the police, which are mixed, are not the issue here, it’s what happened to Rachel.

              If someone made a complaint about her tweet, then it looks as if they did do the right thing in visiting her, even if only for a chat. Taking her guns is a different matter, and I would hope that their own processes require them to provide sufficient reason for hanging into them.

              • The Police response to this “incident” sadly fits their agenda & presumably the person making the complaint was either very persistent or well connected, as shown by the delay in taking action. The file must have been moved from the “do f all” tray to the “suppose we better do something” tray at some point, getting stamped with “licenced firearms owner” in big red letters probably got it move to the “Cahills’ urgent narrative” tray.

  18. I suppose $200 is bloody cheap for the political opportunity. The $200 koha stayed in New Zealand.

    The $11 million to that Saudi sheep farmer/businessman would have been 55,000 $200 koha and it would have stayed here too.

  20. Rachel Stewart is a “gun safety advocate”? Lol, that’s a good take Martyn. Though I don’t know too many gun safety people making the kinds of “murder jokes” she did.

    But hey, whatever works for you.

    • John – That attacked man hurt their feelings, and criticising men for having feels is sexist, and in this case racist, and the hurt dogs needed other mongrels to protect them while they beat up a man in front of his wife and children, or they could have also been hurt for shielding their vicious lowlife mates even if only in the void where decent people have souls and such things , and the HR oddball dispensing tax payer money should think about who actually provides the largesse he dispenses, but he may be too entitled to even begin to think in this sort of way, and that is New Zealand today.

  23. And I see the second in charge of the Waikato Mongrel Mob Kingdom is on charges for importing and distrubing meth, a guy who was outspoken on helping broken people and making positive changes.

    Who would have thought the Mongrel Mob could do such a thing? Perhaps Paul Hunts koha, in some little way, helped the Mob bring this positive change to meth users and most especially, their victims! Subsidized the going rate for a few points maybe. Bless him!

  24. Applewood thanks.
    In future I shall be mindful of the deep hurt felt by the Mob having been subjected to dreadful things.
    The man being seriously beaten in front of his wife and children pales by comparison into insignificance.

    • John – Yes, there are learnings to be had here, but the bottom line is that those mobsters dressed like comic book characters, and pretending to be men, and behaving like vicious sub-human cretins, and traumatising a whole family possibly permanently, had their feelings hurt. Feelings can be bruising, but they can lead to the creation of wonderful art or the truth of great poems or the kindness and generosity of altruism and philanthropy, or the barking like a mad dog while raping and murdering, or cowardly violence meted out in the safety of numbers.

      Poets and painters and pianists aren’t summoned to court for acting on their feelings, so these victims should not be held accountable for what they do. They are the victims here. I am waiting to see if Maramar or Golriz or Matthew or Deborah, will proclaim that this is the result of white supremacy colonialist conditioning, and that therefore no fault lies with them, and that is New Zealand today.

  27. Of late we have seen National through its sycophantic to Judith Collins Mp Simeon Brown having a go at gangs like the Mongrel Mob and Black Power.
    At no time has Simeon Brown called time on say the Triads and other imported from Asia gangs. And why is this so? Is it because through some way of illusion the NZ National Party are in fact recipients by donations(lets call them the intermittent donations)from those affiliated with say a Triad gang in return for Instant Kiwi citizenship???!!!! Those donations are Koha for National when it suits them.
    But I am going off the track here with that thought and theory. Though it could be possible because we do not know for certain the Hidden Agenda of the NZ National Party because long term it will benefit the few also known as the wealthy at the expense of the poor low income NZers who Bill English deemed “Living beyond their means and MUST experience financial cut backs” we may never know what National if it still exists by 2023 intends for New Zealanders. When it comes to National there will never be any Koha for low income NZers.
    NZ has been through alot over the past 13 years. We had in the past a government that spent our taxpayers money willy/nilly on mostly Vanity Projects. It is here when like the Trickle Down Effect advocated by National in their Copy and Paste from America the Koha started at the top and stayed at the top.
    We have a now minor political party called National that still has that arrogant belief it can help low income NZers but will do diddly-squat Easy Come/Easy Go cavalier attitude to what OUR(NZ taxpayers) money is spent on. Again Koha staying at the top i.e National and its supporters.
    Instead I am sure National and ACT will waste OUR money on stupid repeat questions to the point of asking the same question over 2000 times in parliament and expecting the NZ taxpayers to be the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff.
    And so National and ACT will be more Hoha and no Koha. Typical of them though. Can we expect them to be any better???!!! I very much doubt it. Stupidity and arrogant walk hand in hand with those two

  28. The rich have done exceptionally well under the current Labour Government.
    Record value increased in property and equites.
    Meanwhile the burden on the poor has increased.

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