My position on Trans Rights

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There have been some questions raised about my support for Trans rights in New Zealand that I would like to clarify.

There have been some questions raised about my support for Trans rights in New Zealand that I would like to clarify.

Personally, I have supported and participated in LGBQTI protest for equality for over 40 years.

I am absolutely committed to ridding workplaces of all forms of prejudice and discrimination, including against Trans people.

I fully support finding ways to empower all oppressed groups in society to fight for their liberation.

The articles I recently posted (all but one written by Trans authors from the left) raised some specific issues that I believe should be considered when changes are made to legal definition of a person’s sex: how those changes may impact on women-only services and spaces, exceptions to the Human Rights Act which currently allow discrimination on the basis of sex and the impact on data gathering in areas such as crime, employment, pay, and health statistics – and monitoring of sex-based discrimination such as the gender pay gap.

There are undoubtedly practical solutions to these issues that can be put in place without undermining the rights of individuals to identify and live their lives as their chosen gender identity without discrimination, regardless of their physical status. I understand and agree that the fundamental rights of Trans people to that choice is not something that needs to, or should be, debated and it was absolutely not my intention in any way to imply that by sharing the articles yesterday.

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Mike Treen

National Director of Unite Union

9 Comments

  1. Mjolnir says:

    Hmmmmm…

    Quote: “I understand and agree that the fundamental rights of Trans people to that choice is not something that needs to, or should be, debated and it was absolutely not my intention in any way to imply that by sharing the articles yesterday.”

    And yet you did link to this Stuff article which does precisely that, Mike — https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/108740984/bill-on-transgender-birth-certificates-creates-big-issues

    That article questions the right of transwomen to identify as women.

    And you linked to this Redline article, “Trans ideology is bollocks”, which also referenced transphobic TERF Renee Gerlich. https://rdln.wordpress.com/2018/11/25/trans-ideology-is-bollocks/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    The article was as transphobic as you can get, icluding an image with the caption,

    “See the puppy. The puppy thinks it is a kitten. Silly puppy! A puppy is not a kitten. The kitten says “you are not a kitten , but it is ok to be a puppy who likes to do the things kittens do.” The puppy says “die in fire cis scum”.

    You linked to that hate speech. Claim responsibility for your actions.

    My question is: when do we question the rights of cis men and cis women to identify as male and female?

    Do you question the right of gay men and lesbian women to attraction of their own gender? That’s right, we dont. It’s a given. No questions asked. But for some reason (and fixating on toilets is not a reason) transpeople don’t seem to merit that same reepect.

    Different marginalised group. Same battles.

  2. DennyPaoa DennyPaoa says:

    Is that what you call “Allyship?” Mike? Like a NDA Not allowed to comment but they’ll take your support and use it? Pretty fuck’d up if you ask me.

  3. NoTo'Left'Bigots says:

    These changes do NOT impact on Womens-only spaces, because Trans Women are Women. This does not impact on the fight to get the HRA to recognize sex-based discrimination, because Trans Women are Women. This does not impact on Data gathering stats as you’re saying, BECAUSE TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN. DEAL WITH IT.

    You delegitimize trans people every time you make these arguments. You make the world a harsher and more disgusting place for them. You do not respect them, because you are more concerned with listening to TERFs than you are with a group of people who are the subjects of Murder and Violence every day.

    • Terry says:

      Ok Trans women are not Women. They are trans-women. The difference, women have vaginas, trans-women have (or were born with) a penis. This is not trans-phobia. As a young male I probably wouldn’t have appreciated the difference, in the way that I do as a mature male, who has daughters (and to be clear, I mean women who have vaginas).

      Something I have learnt (heartbreakingly so I must add) Women have a well deserved caution of men (by that, I could mean people with a penis). Men (people who have a penis) have done horrible things to women (people with a vagina).

      From my personal experience, trans-women have little respect for woman. A young woman (yes with a vagina) close to my family, who by the way had been sexually assaulted, by a man (ok someone with a penis). Was expected to have rampant, pounding, penetrating sex with a bi-sexual “woman” (so a trans-woman or bloke c/w a penis, who identified as bi-sexual) or be labeled “trans-phobic”. All this happened while at university in the US. The blow back on her, her family & friends was unbelievable. She has had to change her name and leave the city she grew up in. There was no respect to her at all, not of the horrible sexual assault that she had been though, how she had been feeling, or even that she had the right to with hold her consent. If it had been a male student, there would have been no doubt of her absolute right to with hold her consent. But because it was a trans women, she had no right to with hold her consent. This is not the actions of a woman, but that of an entitled man.

      • Samwise says:

        “From my personal experience, trans-women have little respect for woman. “

        Your experience is limited then Terry. My own experience is that trans women are respectful of other people, men and women. If you have had a negative experience with one person then that’s one person. You can’t disparage an entire group based on one person’s alleged behaviour. You might as well go back to that old catchphrase “ all men are rapists” because rapists are men. That’s crap.

        Perhaps you should focus less on vaginas and penises and look at where gender/sex really lies, in the human brain.

      • Mjolnir says:

        Terry, you have an unnatural fixation with other prople’s genitalia.

        Your claim that transwomen havd “little respect fof other women” is fanciful nonsense. In fact it couldn’t bd further from the truth. Many transwomen have a strong support network of female friends, relatives, and often ex-partners . Especially when transitioning is taking place.

        I question your motivation.

      • Sam Sam says:

        I think if a biological make wants to go through the rigmorale of inverting the shaft of the penis so that it resembles a vagina so they can express themselves as a woman then fine.

        What I will not stand for is charlatan humanities professors handing out unisex cards to any one with a brain disorder like fashion accessories.

        We can’t just go around slapping labels on things like it’s all in alphabetical order. There must be a compelling story behind it.

    • Denny Paoa says:

      You shouldn’t call Mike a bigot. He’s not. He a humanitarian. Big word at, figure it out what it means. Oh, and don’t be a gutless cunt. Use your real name.

  4. Samwise says:

    Mike, you can’t escape responsibility for transphobic articles you link to. Trump tried that by claiming he was only re-tweeting far right hate propaganda, not endorsing it. He was called out on that bullshit.


 
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