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  1. To paraphrase Groucho Marx….
    “Maybe someone didn’t want to give up the $$ paid for renting the Battlefield”—-Duck Soup

  2. That is a really informative article, Mike. I didn’t know any of that. It has got me thinking that if capitalism depends on resource extraction the whole silly game can be stopped if all the land in NZ was owned by all the people and administered on their behalf by the Government.
    This would mean that all the resources within or upon the land could not be extracted without the consent of the Government, which would have to be a partner. It would also mean that the land could not be sold to individuals or private companies and those occupying the land would do so only as long term tenants (99 year leases). This would immediately stop land speculation.
    Obviously this idea could not happen over-night but the government would be able to acquire a lot of land right now, which is threatened with inundation and cannot be insured. However houses on such land can be lived in and rented for quite a long time. Speculation on such land would be pointless.

  3. The colonials were cannon fodder under the control of our British Masters?

    We did a lot of the dirty work and the fighting for the British ?

    1. Some our British masters were dumb hence why so many died unneccesarily they ( the british masters weren’t fit for purpose)

  4. Time to put ANZAC Day out to pasture. The vast majority of us Kiwis could care less about the failed Gallipoli campaign or ANZAC in general.

    There are lots of immigrants here now and they probably rightly don’t care either. Younger Kiwis like myself watch YouTube and skip over the yearly regurgitation of ANZAC articles on news sites.

    If it wasn’t for the paid holiday most of us wouldn’t know these ceremonies, which have become a yearly waste of time and money were taking place. The idea of going to a Dawn Ceremony strikes me as pointless.

    Glad to report my generation already knows war is bad and sees the “least we forget” line for the propaganda it is! Not interested in being around a bunch of dusty old men who are stuck in the past, using propagandist lines to hoke off velvet puppies.

    Do I think NZ history should be taught in schools – absolutely I do! Do I think we should be put through this ANZAC BS every year – HELL NO!!

    ANZAC as a public holiday, year commiseration and political wreath laying exercise is now inappropriate – especially considering the amount of immigrants we have and people detached from these outdated events.

    Don’t like it, maybe your generation shouldn’t have voted for National .. New Zealand is a very diverse place now – why should we have a public holiday which is only cared about by a small few?

    I understand people may find this point of view repugnant, too bad! Yes the Gallipoli campaign happened, must we be banged over the head with it every year!? Perhaps we could recognise it once every 5 years – even once a decade might be enough.

    1. “We Will Remember Them”
      Especially those whose families suffered the loss and crippling of men who went to these wars.
      We Will Remember Them.

      1. Then teach it in schools! These yearly ceremonies only serve to remind the demented of mind what happened – the few that are left anyway.

        Making gun-torrent/cannon fodder out of young men was what resulted from the Gillipoli campaign – get back to me when that is the over arching message, NOT some romanticized fight for freedom!

        NZ history is rarely taught in NZ schools and most teachers would be hard pushed to string together a couple of sentences about ANZAC beyond the acronyms meaning.

          1. Interesting. I’m in Christchurch and I’m dismayed by the state of our Citizens’ War Memorial, located next to Cathedral Square – It sits on a bed of weeds, covered in bird excrement .. while people gloss over the truths of ANZAC history.

            The new library isn’t far, that structure which cost tens of millions .. not far from perhaps what was one of the most beautiful war memorials in NZ.

            Shameful.

          2. Zack it’s great that you’re a young guy concerned with truth. Go for it. The search could take forever, but it opens new vistas along the way.

            We were all lied to at times, but truth is the daughter of time, and it always outs. The truths of Anzac – and WW1- have long been known, but maybe not completely, or by all.

            But our dead and our dusty old women and men, by and large believed that they were doing the right thing, and we dishonour them by demeaning their experience.They were good people, and brave, and that’s the bottom line.

            If you are able to sustain your belief in the importance of truth, and marry it with kindness, then you could consider a career in politics, where these values are always much needed.

          3. That’s a reasonable call. I’m more calling out the lip-service given to ANZAC day. Many people would vilify me for my above statements, yet the same people would often be wholly ignorant of history.

            To me it seems only a small number of people truly care about ANZAC day and our countrymen of old that gave their lives, indeed believing in virtue and valor

            I went for a walk up Rapaki hill today, it’s a walking/mountain biking track that runs through a valley, the landscape made me reflect on Gillipoli and those men’s struggles.

            When I think about our leaders who’s biggest concern is what to wear to a ‘dawn service’ and whether they have their speech down so as to not trip over their words ..

            What a contrast between those wanting to be seen before the people and those whom gave their innocence/lives.

            I know it’s not right to impute motives to people’s actions but as the old idiom goes, “the proof is in the pudding”. I see a broken Cathedral, beggars with cardboard signs and our desecrated Citizens’ War Memorial straddling the two.

            I use to sit in Cathedral Square as a kid and listen to the Wizard rant and think to myself how lucking we were to have such a grand memorial – a powerful angel with arms lift up and a sword running between them.

            A sword of truth perhaps because even in it’s rundown state it speaks volumes.

          4. Be a leader yourself then Zack.

            Start your political career by making a reasonable request of the Ch Ch CC to clean up the war memorial.

            Inform the media of the issue.

            Be prepared for things to come unstuck at this stage.

            Stuff, almost certainly won’t publish anything without a large colour photo of you doing something twittish.

            You are probably too young to remember when the newspapers were exactly that. Black and white print, with the odd black and white photo.

            Then came the big coloured pictures – bigger than comic book pictures – and the news became: a ‘celeb’s’ new house/car/spouse/mouse, utterly irrelevant, but part of an agenda.

            Future historians may chart this as the start of the pro-active dumbing down of society. If there is a future.

            Don’t be tempted for you and your mates to clean up the memorial yourself. You will almost certainly be breaking some bylaw or ordinance, and find yourself a member of the criminal class without even trying.

            You could start a movement for the abolition of television, but it may be too late for that, and you would incur much hatred from the masses, and could make poor oap’s sad. Or maybe not.

            kia kaha.

      2. “Ye Hypocrites, are these your pranks
        To murder men and gie God thanks
        Desist for shame, proceed no further
        God won’t accept your thanks for murder.”

        Why do we honour murderers rather than real heroes like Archie Baxter and Ian Hamilton?

  5. Thanks Mike..could barely process let alone stomach the whitewashed ‘great war’ sacrifice for noble causes and peace in our time nonsense yesterday while catching up on Gaza and Yemen news not covered..

    Thankfully a granddaughter also arrived so 11/11/2018 will be a date for honesty and happiness to be celebrated.
    The hypocrisy I saw uncomfortably skimmed over while watching Q+A while Hit&Run Inquiry also coughed over by the latest ‘Defence’ drone final straw for me..
    Very much enjoyed your article..Will continue to teach fact not fiction and never forget

  6. You’re a treasure Mike , loved seeing you on Waatea 5th Estate, and always find your articles eye opening
    In my opinion these Anzac “celebrations” are like mourning the dead of mass shootings in America without demanding gun reform
    As one mother cried out”I don’t want any more prayers, get rid of the guns”
    In the case of international wars its” get rid of the Mafioso racketeers and profiteers”
    enabled by our governments

  7. So the Labour Party was founded specifically as an anti-war movement? Followed by the National Party being founded specifically as an anti-Labour-government movement, just before the first Labour govt was forced to pack us off to WWII. Frustrating irony all round.

  8. Perhaps a worthy read, as this post does not seem to give the whole picture:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%9319

    The war was more or less lost for the German Empire, after the US stepped in supporting the allied forces in the west, and after the Balkan front also collapsed (Austria-Hungary facing defeat and break up):
    “Request for ceasefire and change of constitution

    After the victory in the east, the Supreme Army Command on 21 March 1918 launched its so-called Spring Offensive in the west to turn the war decisively in Germany’s favour, but by July 1918, their last reserves were used up, and Germany’s military defeat became certain. The Allied forces scored numerous successive victories in the Hundred Days Offensive between August and November 1918 that yielded huge territorial gains at the expense of Germany. The arrival of large numbers of fresh troops from the United States was a decisive factor.

    In mid-September, the Balkan Front collapsed. The Kingdom of Bulgaria, an ally of the German Empire and Austria-Hungary, capitulated on 27 September. The political collapse of Austria-Hungary itself was now only a matter of days away.

    On 29 September, the Supreme Army Command, at army headquarters in Spa, Belgium, informed Emperor Wilhelm II and the Imperial Chancellor Count Georg von Hertling, that the military situation was hopeless. Ludendorff said that he could not guarantee to hold the front for another 24 hours and demanded a request to the Entente powers for an immediate ceasefire. In addition, he recommended the acceptance of the main demand of Wilson to put the Imperial Government on a democratic footing in hopes of more favourable peace terms.”

    The rebellion of naval forces in Kiel and Wilhelmshaven started the end of the war, speeding up the internal collapse of imperial German forces and institutions.

    Rosa Luxemburg and Liebknecht and their USPD party wanted a Soviet style revolution in the end, with workers’ councils and so taking power, and did not want to join the SPD in supporting general elections to a new assembly to be held in January 1919.

    They were later murdered by right wing Reichskorps.

  9. Thank you Mr Treen! Very informative and you answered a number of wonderings I’ve often had about that war and the times that followed.

    I fully resonate with “That system must be overthrown. We need to go back to the anti-war and socialist ideals of the founders of the labour movement to find a new/old way forward.”

  10. There may have been no decisive battle, but the British and French had figured out how to defeat the Germans and were making steady progress towards doing so. The Germans essentially had no answer to these tactics, which minimised Allied casualties while taking small bites out of the German line. It would have taken some time, but the Germans were in the process of being comprehensively defeated.

  11. Noone WINS wars except bankers and arms manufacturers.
    Maybe it’s time to try and WIN peace.

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