Ummmm, the new SIS definitions of terrorist would probably put most people reading this blog on a watch list

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Ummmm, the new nark list of things to alert the State Spies of domestic terrorism have been released, and one of the definitions would likely put most readers of this blog on a SIS watch list…

How to spot a terrorist: NZ spy service releases public guidelines

Kia mataara ki ngā tohu – Know the signs: a guide for identifying signs of violent extremism contains almost 50 indicators, grouped into seven themes: mindset and ideology, associations and relationships, research and planning, gathering knowledge and resources, preparation, security awareness, and unusual behaviour change.

…funny how an intelligence service who weren’t even looking into white supremacy as a threat are now suddenly experts at spotting enemies of the state.

The list is pretty understandable: praising known violent extremists, displaying imagery and symbols from violent extremist groups, paying particular attention to security, and accessing instructional videos on making weapons.

However this line “developing a hostile “us vs them” world view”, would probably put most of the readers of TDB on a watch list!

TDB are still trying to get into a closed door meeting booked for next week at AUT where academics who want censorship will secretly meet with the mainstream media to agree on a set of cancellation principles for what opinion can and can’t be covered in the election next year.

Let’s be very clear why we are having the SIS put out nark lists to get their woke activists spying for them, because we refused point blank to de-escalate the Dumb Lives Matter protest on Parliament’s Lawns.

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The middle class Stuff docudrama Fire + Fury focused only on the far right fear grifters to explain why violence erupted, there was no focus whatsoever on the role Mallard played or how economic conditions and Government incompetence had also combined to create this.

Was there a mob of angry hurt frightened NZers being manipulated by far right bad faith actors?

Of course there was, but imagine if the Left had been actually transformative and had eased those economic anxieties?

There was only a mob ripe for far right manipulation because we on the Left allowed it to form in the first place!

The SIS had infiltrated the protest in the second week and rushed intel back from hyped up fantasists about all the terrible things they were going to do, just like Police Intelligence had done 15 years ago with the Urewera Terror raids.

This intel scared the bejesus out of an already frazzled system and the decision to force them off the lawns was made.

Of course the protestors were violent – we spent 3 weeks winding them up and then called their reaction a hate crime.

This has given the far right a propaganda and recruitment win they could never have imagined but it’s also built momentum up from frightened Middle Class Marxists who demanded the Police Commissioner be sacked and the military sent in on day 2 of this Dumb Lives Matter farce.

This new Police State will focus on Hate Speech powers, vast new budgets and new surveillance capabilities.

Already the SIS and GCSB are drawing up expanded budgets to track the ‘Nazis’.

Police want their legally questionable face recognition mass surveillance network switched on to identify the ‘Nazis’.

The Woke activist base will want hate speech laws that effectively ban any opinion they don’t like from ‘Nazis’.

The looming over reaction in police powers and state surveillance this avoidable Parliament Lawn violence provokes will be the true legacy of this bullshit.

The Police State in NZ will be cheered in by the Woke, it won’t be criticised.

Most MPs were ushered in and out under heavy police protection alongside the frightened Press Gallery, so their perception of threat is now magnified through their own personal ego, and when that happens any criticism of the new powers to make them feel safe will have you labelled a traitor or enemy of the State.

Once the Police State gets these extra budgets, they will never let them go. If they are paid to find monsters, they will find monsters even if it takes monstrous things to find them.

This huge ramping up of the Police State would normally be hidden and quietly done, but because easily triggered MPs are convinced they just survived January 6th, they will champion these vast increases in budget and state surveillance as the ‘cure’ we need.

Middle Class Marxists and their State funded media enablers will cheer the Eye of Mordor finally being switched on to punish the Lumpenproletariat Nazis.

The rest of us will shudder in horror at the abomination they are building.

Below are the words NZ Punk Anarchist Neil Roberts spray painted on the wall in 1982 before detonating a bomb inside the Wanganui Computer Centre.

Let’s be very clear, as the attack on the PMs electoral office this week reminded us, we are entering a time of unparalleled domestic threats.

I am convinced there is a 50-50 chance of some type of political violence before or during the 2023 election.

Can you imagine for 30 seconds the horror and furious explosion within NZ culture if some feral Qanon Sheriff took a swing at the Prime Minister? The tinder dry political and cultural environment of this country would combust in a backlash that would border on civil war.

We are far closer to the precipice than we appreciate.

I think hate algorithms alongside the enormous mental harm caused by the forced isolation of this unique universal event is exploding in crime, domestic violence and self harm. I think the looming economic recession will be depression era levels of financial damage because of the supply side dynamics at play.

As bad as you think it is now, wait till we have a 10% inflation rate.

Desperate people are writhing in agony and going nuts.

That’s why it was so essential for NZ to NOT allow the Dumb Lives Matter fiasco on Parliament’s Lawns to metastasise into the dark treacle of hate that has oozed into the political subterranean.

That’s why it was so important to de-escalate because the bad faith actors who most certainly were there to recruit, were gifted a propaganda coup by Mallard’s spiteful childishness and stupid tactics.

What was the conclusion to the Parliament protests?

We radicalised 10 000 new recruits for the far right and as I have been predicting, this sudden blowback of previous actions is now being used by the SIS and GCSB for vast new powers and resources to come after the new enemies.

That’s why the appointment of someone like Professor Joanne Kidman to the National Centre of Research Excellence for Preventing and Countering Violent Extremism is so counterproductive and problematic.

This new Ministry of Truth will help the lidless Eye of Morder work out who the intelligence apparatus should focus on when it comes to domestic terrorism.

Professor Joanne Kidman is the public academic who has led crusades and social media Lynch mobs on great breaches of woke culture wars dogma.

There was her attack on the Listener 7 scientists…

…Then there was her fear a cat named by Auckland University was a hate crime…

…the good professor was also the one who called out and started the woke cancellation of Dress Maker Trelise Cooper for a dress called the ‘Trail of Tiers’ which Kidman argued was a play on the ‘Trial of Tears’, the genocidal forced march of 46,000 Native Americans between 1830 and 1850 by the United States federal government.

Hands up who thinks for one second that Trelise bloody Cooper had any idea whatsoever what the Trail of Tears was or intended to culturally appropriate a genocidal forced march?

Kidman wanted Cooper cancelled for a dress, that’s her threshold for hate and extremism, a dress maker who had no idea of an indigenous atrocity.

That’s the person in charge of an Academy on Extremism? Someone who is triggered by a dress and who used their platform to start a woke Lynch mob?

We need the National Centre of Research Excellence for Preventing and Countering Violent Extremism to advise the Eye of Mordor on whom to burn, we need surgical precision here, not someone who thinks a fucking dress is a hate crime!

When it came to spying on Muslims, Nicky Hager, Me, Greenpeace, Māori protesting oil drilling, environmentalists and the MANA Party, oh the State breached our civil liberties without blinking, but when it came to a white supremacist terrorist who used white supremacy keywords online, who was downloading extremist material online, who was generating complaints from other gun owners as to his behaviour on gun ranges and whom Police screwed up the gun licence of, when it came to all that, apparently our entire Intelligence Apparatus failed and didn’t have any idea whatsoever that a terror attack was being planned on our soil for two years.

How will this Extremism Academy succeed where they all failed?

This is the list of NZ security apparatus, many acronyms you’ve never heard of, who are supposed to keep us safe with mass surveillance powers from domestic terrorism…

  • The SIS (Secret Intelligence Services)
  • The GCSB (Government Communications Security Bureau)
  • The NSG (National Security Group)
  • The Police Intelligence Unit
  • The CNSN (Cabinet National Security Committee)
  • The ODESC (Officials’ Committee for Domestic and External Security Coordination)
  • The SIB (Security and Intelligence Board)
  • The CTCC (Counter-Terrorism Coordinating Committee)
  • The NICC ( National Intelligence Coordination Committee)
  • The IAD (Intelligence and Assessments Directorate)
  • The NRU (National Risk Unit)
  • The NSPD (National Security Policy Directorate)

…how about these agencies that cost us what, $200 million per year to stare into the abyss and ask ‘what if’, how about they start doing their fucking job and immediately identify the true threats to our political system rather than appoint virtue signals and pretend that’s a response.

This isn’t left wing or right wing anymore, this is about us! There is a rising tide of extremism and the conditions for making it worse are all collapsing in upon us. We don’t need the extreme force of the State brought on anyone other than real threats, in case we start radicalising those miss-targeted and speed up the process of extremism.

Once we start this secret police rollercoaster you can’t stop it.

The bigoted violence of the feral right and the smug arrogance of the woke left have combined to create a toxic cocktail of extremism on both sides the only benefits real domestic terrorists and the Secret Intelligence apparatus.

 

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44 COMMENTS

  1. Just wait until the majority become aware that No Zealand is the only “country” on the planet that allows foreigners to vote in its elections 😉 Not even Canada is that suicidal.

    • Exactly the question is why NZ still allows this – allowing so many people who should not be voting in NZ elections while disempowering Kiwis who increasingly don’t bother voting. Every other country is very careful with citizenship and residency, not giving it away wannabe pizza workers, cheating foreign students and drug lords. It’s also not popular with foreign workers.

      100% pure rip-off? New Zealand voted second-worst place to move to
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/14/100-pure-rip-off-new-zealand-voted-second-worst-place-to-move-to

      Meanwhile other countries like OZ have better ways to have foreigners come to their country. They do not give voting, free welfare and citizenship away but have real jobs paying real wages and that makes it a much better place to work (the dross workers are coming to NZ who prefer to fake it, till they make it and soon do, into management here).

      Even Bali have created visas that allow people to live and work in Bali, without giving them voting and citizenship.

      NZ it now too woke to function now. Work overseas and just come back here for free health care and retirement, seems to a better option for the ambitious with real skills – NZ has become a Mecca for cheap labourers, high consumer prices for banking/food/utilities/services of poor quality and fraudsters being enabled by woke.

  2. A so-called female academic who refers to people as “ dick- heads “ is a government hate speech advisor ? Spare me.

    • Denny P. I have been a little cautious about Ms K as I think that she went from John Key’s office, to being head of the SIS. I have been a little cautious since she said in an interview that she thought her department’s work would make a good reality television program. That surprised me. But if she wants extra money, perhaps being a reality television star could come to fruition and provide it. Who is to watch the teenagers? Parents ? Kids play war games starting with pop guns and water pistols and on to paint balls and oddities in the hills and turning sprinklers on Parliamentary precincts and they will as long as adults have wars. God defend the children.

  4. Of course it is chilling that a woman who writes that 99% of university historians should have a curfew and an ankle -tracker, is now heading the government’s hate – speech advisory service, with its absurd unproven claim to “ excellence “.

    Why university historians in particular ?

    Why a curfew ?

    Why an ankle tracker ?

    She needs to provide some sort of raison d’être for this extraordinary proposition.

  5. No.

    When a protest against a government decision is generalised with vicious mis-labels like Nazi, derided, jeered at by the media, have projected motives unrelated to the protests rammed down their throats by people who know nothing of who they are and what they are trying to say and for all this to be presented as truth: This has enabled this ongoing move towards a police state.

    Down-grading the generalist ‘Nazi’ slur to ignorant, brainless conspiracy theorists being led and manipulated by the far right is just saving face after the initial extreme hysteria quickly became too obviously untenable.

    The minority presences of the very stupid, of extremists of all stripes, of the terminally naive, the malignant, the out of touch, the tragically nice, the outright crazy ….. That’s every ”legitimate” protest I’ve ever been involved in. And those protests were not generalised as BEING (or being manipulated by) any reviled portion. They were reported as the subject of the protest.

    This ongoing middle-class hysteria continues to license to these authoritarian measures towards a police state. There is no principle with an out-clause in cases of fear, panic or personal enmity.

  6. No.

    When a protest against a government decision is generalised with vicious mis-labels like Nazi, derided, jeered at by the media, have projected motives unrelated to the protests rammed down their throats by people who know nothing of who they are and what they are trying to say and for all this to be presented as truth: This has enabled this ongoing move towards a police state.

    Down-grading the generalist ‘Nazi’ slur to ignorant, brainless conspiracy theorists being led and manipulated by the far right is just saving face after the initial extreme hysteria quickly became too obviously untenable.

    The minority presences of the very stupid, of extremists of all stripes, of the terminally naive, the malignant, the out of touch, the tragically nice, the outright crazy ….. That’s every ”legitimate” protest I’ve ever been involved in. And those protests were not generalised as BEING (or being manipulated by) any reviled portion. They were reported as the subject of the protest.

    This ongoing middle-class hysteria continues to license to these authoritarian measures towards a police state. There is no principle with an out-clause in cases of fear, panic or personal enmity.

  8. On this topic, I went over to the Platform to see if the Free Speech Friday podcast was worth watching this week (Bomber’s been on twice) and it wasnt – Matt King, I can do without. So I happenned across this podcast

    https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/the-problematic-disinformation-project

    by someone called Charlie McCoy, citizen journalist but it is essentially a piss take of the Disinformation Project using clips of the Parliament process and the talking heads and PM during and after. Its funny and worth watching but also amply underscores exactly what Martyn is saying about the sinister and cynical nature of what is happening at the moment.

  9. ” … new SIS definitions of terrorist would probably put most people reading this blog on a watch list…”
    But of course. Our farmers, who also happen to be our primary industry who also feed us, and, according to TDB, the other 35 million from whom we get foreign revenue from, with which we buy those stuffs and things we can’t supply for ourselves.
    But wait, there’s more! There’s now a vast army of multi millionaire soon-to-be climate crisis escapees needing to not die of starvation, or, ironically, get eaten by their desperate neighbours who know that our AO/NZ may well be the very last place left on earth where you can buy a spud, a sausage, a line of coke and a hooker, all for about the same money. ( No disrespect to working women intended.) The sis will be charged with sweeping out the garage before the billionaire yanks come in to park up the hum vee, the private jet and the super boat called the Whap Diddle!
    We’re heading to a flash point. A zenith. A tipping point. They know it and they know we don’t yet know it. What’s that saying..? “Slowly, slowly catchy monkey”. I used to hunt animals when I was young and I learned that the best way to move up on an animal was to stalk it by walking sideways to it but in a circle while moving ever closer in. To me, hunting animals now is a macabre and surreal memory. It’s like I’m living a different life altogether. It’s like I died and was reborn with a memory of a previous-life experience. It’s something I could do without.
    We AO/NZ’ers have to hang tight together on this one. We have to put our easily exploited differences to one side and hang on to each other for dear life.
    The first thing is to sort out our economy. We absolutely must bring our farmers in from out in the cold. Our farmers are frightened. Sure, they seem big and surly but I can assure you, they’re shit scared. We must crush the foreign owned banks. Out the fuckers go. We don’t need them, and they pray to the devil we never work that out. We should pitch to become a far flung member of the new EU. I’m almost certain the UK will return to the EU. And of so, we should ask to become a member. Look? It’s only a matter of distance. Not principles. And I’m betting the EU would love to have a gigantic market garden in the southern hemisphere, as Europe and the UK once enjoyed of us before The Buys fucked it up. Aye Boys? Yes you did. Oh, yes you did. You naughty, naughty little boys. What’s it like to be a multi billionaire Boys? Especially since your billions were literally swindled. I put an Aston Martin on my trademe watch list and pretended I could afford it. It’s price is $498,900.00.
    If I had only one billion of the dollars I’d have change out of a mere million and still have $900 million left for insurance, gas and registration left over. And speeding tickets. The feeling of having that much money is incomprehensible to me. graham hart, for example, has 12.5 billion of dollars more or less. Likely more and he’s not the only one. There are at least eight others with similar amounts of ‘money’. In Aotearoa/ New Zealand. How do they sleep at night, day or noon? Do they think that they could buy 14,961 new Aston Martins, so, how exciting etc… ( I’m kind of shit with maths so please double check my cyphering. ) I don’t think that’s correct actually. One billion is one thousand millions right? That’s two thousand Aston Martins per billion? Isn’t that twenty four thousand Aston Martins? How long would it take to run up 200K on each one. Where’s my calculator? Oh, there it is. On fire in the far corner of the sitting room. There are nine men, no doubt, multi billionaires in AO/NZ. What the fuck’s wrong with them? Were they suckled by an ATM machine? Was daddy a door handle on an armourguard van? Did they have to pay the ticket price to enter the birth canal? Was there a taxi between the vagina and the crib or did they fly first class? What the fuck is wrong with them? What the fuck is wrong with us? What the fuck’s going on? And we now have an all bought and paid for, government sanctioned squad of hit persons out there fondling their tremulous testicles, or what ever, with their itchy trigger fingers while keenly watching out for mad eyed Dollar Discount Dissidents. My curtains are now pulled and I’m lying under the sofa which doesn’t make getting drunk any easier although it’s still worth trying.

    • Wow country boy That’s my new bible you’ve just written there. Keep it up J.
      This sentence is very meaning-full.
      We AO/NZ’ers have to hang tight together on this one. We have to put our easily exploited differences to one side and hang on to each other for dear life.

    • countryboy – The feeling of having that much money is incomprehensible to me. graham hart, for example, has 12.5 billion of dollars more or less. Likely more and he’s not the only one. There are at least eight others with similar amounts of ‘money’. In Aotearoa/ New Zealand.

      Graham Hart has been well-coached or had an insert of the money tree plant. His progress after school in 1972 to his Rank’s 1994 hearing re a $500 million contested business bid is high flying. Here are a few high points.

      https://www.afr.com/politics/hart-attack-19940513-jfkj3
      1994 Australian Financial Review on G H
      …Also, Hart’s commercial experience hardly stirred the market. Here was a bloke who had left school in Auckland at 17 (born 1955 so 1972) and battled away with his first business, a carrying company. Its entire fleet consisted of one truck.
      “I made a living out of it,” Hart recalls with a half-grin.
      He had entered public commercial life from the distinctly unglamorous background of party hire, having bought four independent party-hire companies in Auckland and packaged them together into a form of monopoly before selling out for a handsome profit. Next, with limited success, he got into another ho-hum business – safety clothing with the Wormald group.

      So, barely six years ago Rank Group didn’t rank and Hart wasn’t considered particularly smart. He was, however, thought to be excessively cautious by shareholders and analysts while Rank sat on its wallet during the pre-1987 boom.

      (Not forgetting the sale of the NZ Government Printing Office, on spurious grounds.)

      On December 17, 1987 the Government announced a fiscal strategy which included government business sales, with the aim of substantially reducing public debt. This announcement was made against the background of New Zealand’s public debt to the gross domestic product ratio being one of the highest amongst OECD countries. Included within the assets to be sold was the Government Printing Office valued at between $70 – $100 million.
      Book – Takeaway – The Sale of the Government Printing Office

      Richard Prebble | Rob Campbell | Sale of NZ Government …
      https://www.prebblespebble.co.nz
      On January 21, 1988 the Minister of State Owned Enterprises, Richard Prebble started the preliminary process of selling the Government Printing Office.

      The Govt Printing Office business sold for only $23 million to Hart’s ‘Rank’ despite being valued at $70-100 million, which has a smell to it!
      https://times-age.co.nz/end-of-another-print-era/
      In the first year of ownership under Graeme Hart, Rank made more money than the Crown received for the sale of the business.

      Government Printing Office
      The sale decision was announced prior to the 1988 Budget. An agreement for the sale of the Government Printing Office (GPO) to Rank Group, a New Zealand publicly-listed investment company, was entered into on 24 January 1990. The offer accepted for the sale of the core business was $23 million. Settlement was effected at the end of June 1990. In addition, $20 million was received by the Crown over the previous 18 months from the sale of GPO assets, including its main building in Mulgrave Street, Wellington which was sold to National Archives.

      (More juicy figures to digest along with a nice cool beer or whine (freudian slip!)
      https://www.treasury.govt.nz/information-and-services/government-finances/assets/asset-sales-historical-information/new-zealand)

      Now in Australia in 1994:
      Graeme Hart leaving Federal Court Sydney. Mr Hart leaving the court yesterday. The Federal Court dealt a major blow to Rank Commercial’s $501 million bid for Foodland Australia Ltd yesterday by ordering a two-month stay on the bid pending an expedited full hearing. Speaking on the steps of the court complex in Sydney, New Zealand businessman Mr Graeme Hart, who controls Rank, said he and lawyers would consider the written judgment before deciding the fate of the bid. July 11, 1994. (Photo by Jim Rice/Fairfax Media via Getty Images).

    • Joseph Just makes sure that the neighbours know your IP address and all your passwords, keep the house full of homestay students, answer all landline calls saying that you’re a Nigerian Prince, and you should be okay until you finalise arrangements to emigrate Nth Korea, Middle Wallop or Dipton.

      Alternatively, you could become a paid-up Green and be excused a multitude of sins on the grounds of madness, while scoring a lifetime supply of positively-affirming chocolate, plus the freedom to use bad words with gay – oops- abandon. Meanwhile, change your bowel habits, and the best of British – oops- luck.

  11. Wouldn’t the starting point be identifying what went wrong with our current terrorists and why it’s so easy to come into NZ and start your terror journey and recruit others without anyone detecting it on the visa before you come or monitor people after they arrive in terms of paying taxes and their gun/drug/ use?

    NZ seems to spend so much time on developing more and more government counter terrorist group and committees which are ballooning (instead of just focusing on SIS and GCSB), but most don’t seem allowed to identify foreign threats due to wokism – in may cases they seem more like the extremist threats. “White settlers we are your worst nightmare” doesn’t seem to be a moderate viewpoint for an extremist government group.

    Like Oranga Tamariki, we have Maori kids being returned to abusive caregivers while uplifting other Maori kids because of the cultural harm they may experience with pakeha foster parents that OT just put them with for years – then wondering why so many Maori kids suffer family violence and OT is widely considered to by dysfunctional (by the kids themselves). Kids in need don’t reach out to police when in trouble, police don’t notice dead bodies of kids/teens anymore and bodies are being found in burnt out cars, drums in empty state houses, suitcases and recycling centres.

    Meanwhile as the committees explode, the planet burns – nobody does anything about the ‘hotspots’ of methane. Too busy trying to sell stuff to consumers.

    New NASA instrument detects methane ‘super-emitters’ from space
    The Earth Surface Mineral Dust Source Investigation (EMIT) identified more than 50 methane hotspots around the world.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/26/new-nasa-instrument-detects-methane-super-emitters-from-space

    • Those kind terrorists aren’t the ones they are concerned with, they only harm ordinary citizens and are great for justifying increases in powers & budgets, they pose no real threat to the state. However Bomber, Hager et al, they are definitely worth watching.

  12. Less money spend on useless committees everywhere, and more money spent on recruiting and retaining and training REAL skills are needed in NZ.

    What sort of country is NZ when every 5 minutes our planes are breaking down and our dignitaries hitch hike lifts all the time.

    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s plane breaks down in Antarctica – Italian aircraft comes to rescue
    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/10/28/ummmm-the-new-sis-definitions-of-terrorist-would-probably-put-most-people-reading-this-blog-on-a-watch-list/#comment-689223

    NZ’s big problem is that government ideology is obsessed with managers and committees and more and more of these exploding everywhere in NZ getting nothing done, while quietly the real skilled workers and experts with years of experience and proper qualifications are leaving such as aeronautical engineers and everyone else tired of it all.

    There is no support for experts and highly skilled workers in NZ anymore – all funds are siphoned off into useless committees filled with extremists close to government on huge salaries while deciding that workers need to tighten their belts or that someone with 5 minutes experience can do the same job and are the recruitment answer and they are cheaper!!!!! Big pay rise of managers to work that out and save a few pennies – other countries can continue to support NZ getting from A to B, when everything breaks down and can’t be repaired.

  14. As the planet burns, more terrorists come to NZ, kids ram raid, drugs proliferate, professionals leave, our aircraft stop working, we also have our neoliberal ‘paid for’ degrees busted for what they are. Fakes. The new graduates from NZ universities and polytechnics are often ushered through with easy cheating that the government has known about for decades but made worse by firing off lecturers who care about standards.

    Cheating scandal exposed: NZ university students paying Chinese company’s ghostwriters to write papers
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/cheating-scandal-exposed-nz-university-students-paying-chinese-companys-ghostwriters-to-write-papers/B6BUP44KGBCUTTJPG2VSGYXAKI/

    Between our critical Indian workers/turned NZ citizens working in sham pizza jobs https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/exploited-migrant-worker-awarded-nearly-100k-in-compensation.html and our Chinese students who pay Africans to write their uni papers, NZ needs to cut down on the new terrorist committees and go back to old fashioned SIS, GCSB, Policing and universities where expert lecturers decide who passes and are not fired for having standards.

    NZ’s worst disasters and deaths are not from terrorism but from fake and poor building/resource consents aka CTV building https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CTV_Building /Pike river – using falsely qualified engineers and poor consents are ballooning in NZ and the engineering firms and councils hiring them are not being identified and censored.

    Student engineer signed off dozens of projects while posing as structural expert
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/467061/student-engineer-signed-off-dozens-of-projects-while-posing-as-structural-expert

    • savenz. The university scams, and buying assignments, have been going on for years, but don’t forget that the universities may have become money spinners more than places of higher learning and the vc’s priority seems to be getting bums on seats. Dubbing oneself a Centre of Excellence doesn’t automatically confer excellence.

      When university tutoring I had one dodgy student skirting at failing terms who produced an A grade assignment late, which I knew he couldn’t have written. Discussed it with the HOD, and had to give him a reasonable pass mark. About a year late I identified it as coming from the course notes of a few years previously. That same university provided, and possibly still does, a support group for Polynesian and Micronesian students where all written work was monitored and changed where necessary, before being submitted for marking. I discussed this with a member of the law faculty.

      Many overseas students have a lot at stake, with wives or families supporting them back home and big fees paid to unscrupulous local agents. The meanest student activity was the cutting of pages out of reserved library books with razor blades. Easy to do if one reserves a study room.

      • The issue is that the next generation of NZ educated workers are now cheats. Paying tertiary fees is equal for being expected to pass.

        The students going into the wokeforce and can’t do the job they are paid to do, thus go into ‘management’, scale up and are soon running policy and going to networking events and being glorified, that does not work for anybody but scammers and fakers, anymore.

        One of the reasons people don’t like working in NZ, is the unfairness of the workforce where the worst people are skyrocketing into promotions while the honest and professional go nowhere or are ‘restructured’.

        There is a racial bent to everything now. I’m sure if they analyse the worksafe complaints for example they will find that Chinese and foreign owned or run companies operating in NZ, somehow never get the same fines or prosecution as others. From NZ waste management to Forestry. Like the wage subsidies this information should be publicly available as this will be the only way to achieve better outcomes.

        Wokesafe are too busy prosecuting the White Island heroes as like Oranga Tamariki they are now too racially compromised to be safe to operate public safety.

      • So far, most of those committing terrorist actions in New Zealand have been foreign nationals. The suicide attack on the Wanganui Computer Centre and the Trades Hall bombing would be the exception, not the norm.

        If we import damaged people who hate us, don’t fit in and then treat them badly because they are damaged and aren’t able to integrate successfully in to our society, what do you think happens?

        Especially if they come from a culture where terrorism & violence is normalized by their religion of “peace”.

  15. “This isn’t left wing or right wing anymore, this is about us! There is a rising tide of extremism and the conditions for making it worse are all collapsing in upon us”

    Exactly and I keep telling people this. It’s OK to have different opinions, you don’t need to hate each other.

    meanwhile the elite get richer and richer by the hour while we divide ourselves into oblivion

  16. Thunk:
    In the novel “Brave New World” by Aldous Huxley the government tries to prevent its people from speaking freely and thinking by giving them soma, a legal drug that is available for them every day.
    Drugs in Brave New World and in the Present World

    Haven’t read all about this but sounds interesting so give it as possibly useful to peruse.

    • James. Their doings will be shrouded in secrecy for reasons of ‘national security’, while the few remaining thinkers left here wonder how and why government got to redefine ‘ transparency’.

  21. Neil Roberts blew himself OUTSIDE the computer centre – not inside.

    Also, while I get your sentiment, and agree largely with you, here’s what doesn’t help. Calling the Wellington protesters every name under the sun while saying you care about NZer’s mental health feels a bit rich to me.

    It’s just more Sean Plunket, but in writing.

  22. I have seen a rise in social media platforms spreading hate speech lately, all sponsored links pushing their messages onto everyone. There is a need for a certain level of overwatch of these groups.
    The circus that ended up on parliament lawn shows how easy it is to manipulate people to do their bidding and currently its a bit like Medusa where they cut off the head of one of the leading influencers of that movement and several others have sprung up in its place.
    Social media is being used as a weapon.

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