Waatea News Column: Why National’s attack on young people on welfare is such a strategic blunder

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2022

There are moments when politicians misread a room.

Simon Bridges did it when he was National leader at the very start of the pandemic when his criticism was felt to be beneath the mana of the moment in front of us.

I think Chis Luxon has made the same mistake with his bizarre attack last week towards young people on welfare.

Let’s be clear, we all want young people to have strong vibrant futures and good well paying jobs that are safe is the building block to the stability of that future, but that’s not what National are really offering with their welfare reforms.

As New Zealand struggles to regain its footing from the economic fallout caused by Covid, National have chosen this moment to threaten young people on welfare with sanctions and cutting their benefits.

Many of these young people on welfare are sick, ill or disabled. Threatening them with sanctions when everyone else is struggling is cruel and because so many people have recently had to rely on the Government for wages, I think the tone National has set is too harsh for the room.

People can’t see how cutting benefits now helps anyone.

What National are arguing for is a punitive privatization of welfare, where 3rd party contactors cut people off benefits if they don;t find a job fast enough.

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This makes no sense whatsoever because the Labour Government already have an incredibly successful transition welfare program for young people called ‘Mana in Mahi’ where local community groups work with young people rather than threaten them to get a job.

Mana in Mahi has seen 5000 young people go through its programme and to date 90% have not gone back on welfare!

This is extraordinarily successful because the entire programme revolves around working with young people instead of cutting off their welfare which only exacerbates poverty and builds a direct motorway to a life of crime.

We want to support young people into work that works for them, we don’t want to threaten people into jobs that won’t work for them.

All Chris Luxon is trying to sell is the crack of the whip to an angry reactionary electorate who see all young people on the benefit as bludgers.

This is ugly politics.

First published on Waatea News.

81 COMMENTS

  1. Baldrick is feeding raw meat to the sizeable group of moralistic, slavering, Natzo/ACT fans. And he would do what he says to youth unemployed if he ever got to be PM.

    He needs to be slapped down now.

    The obvious point is–who were the first to put their hands out for Govt. COVID cash? And a number of those self employed, petit bourgeois, contractors, SMEs, and corporates contain in their ranks people that will diss those on MSD/WINZ Job Seeker Allowance.

    Remember:
    –National Superannuation is a benefit.
    –Drought/Flood payments to farmers for Climate Disaster weather events are benefits
    –Middle class second tier welfare during COVID was a benefit
    –Employer COVID wage subsidies that some trousered, and workers never saw, were benefits

    Retire MSD/WINZ, institute a Basic Income for all citizens paid by IRD and eradicate the stigma once and for all. Vulnerable young NZers should not be punching bags for Torys with 7 properties and who holiday in Hawaii while bullshitting they are somewhere else. Baldrick should be sanctioned and his pay docked.

    • TM. So you don’t like Luxon’s policies. Don’t vote for him, it easy. I farmed for 50 years and didn’t get any material handouts from government. In drought you might get access to budgeting or counselling. Pasture renewal and farm infrastructure is largely left to them to repair. There is no payments to farmers that I know of. Maybe you could give more detail. The universal wage you talk of doesn’t encourage any effort, why work when those who do will pay your benefit. Doesn’t seem right to me.

      • I concur N+V. My farm gets not a cent in subsidies, handouts, covid shit or anything else, it never has.

        My other business, that has 10 staff, got exaclty $0 thru covid. We could have got 4K if we wanted but it wasnt worth the effort, besides we had reserves so we never took it.

        Some if the Staff did get a small proportion of their wages paid by the Govt, the company topped them up.

        The line Govt just gave businesses shit loads is simply not true. I do exclude the Govts mates businesses though, a few of them did very well from the public purse.

        • “My Farm doesn’t get subsidies”.
          What fantasy world do you live in. Farming is the most mollycoddled, subsidised and protected industry in NZ. I could name a dozen direct and indirect subsidies farming gets, off the top of my head.
          While I am fine with doing that for our export industries, including farming, it is a pity our manufacturing and other industries are not supported to the same extent. We may have had an actual first world economy, instead of being a basic commodity exporter.

    • Luxona has also completely miscalculated on the tax cuts envy policy as well….
      The majority of people don’t see that as being an appropriate thing to do and a variety of experts have stated that we are already one of the lowest taxed countries in the OECD and concluded that not only it would be inflationary but the ‘trickle down’, (myth), effect would not occur…..
      National don’t have a clue ….their economic knowledge is naive non- existent gibberish.
      I’m giving them an ‘F’ for fuckwittery!!

      • Give them a CGT. That would be a tax – WINNER for Fester Luxon and the NACT Alliance.

        We hear them bleating on about “Labour should introduce a CGT”

        MAKE IT A POINT OF DIFFERENCE THEN NACT

        Hold a caucus meeting (like Labour did with the unpopular Gaurav) and get the NACT Caucus to vote on a CGT.

        CGT and NACT -Winner winner chicken dinner (no need to pay me royalties like you did with Eminem…this slogan’s a CGT – NACT WINNER!!

    • TM. I’d like to see how well a basic income for all persons goes, for a subset of persons such as Chatham Islanders, over a reasonable trial time like 10 years, before considering expanding it to all. It would get rid of one of the main welfare traps, the abatement claw back, and could get rid of MSD, which not many people like anyway. Extra money required by persons with health and disability issues, could be funelled though the public health system. And the basic income funded by higher gst. An interesting concept to think about, a version of which Roger Douglas wanted to implement, and the TOP party.

      • I’d like to see how Luxon earning an extra $18000 a year and the lowest earners $100 a year benefits all New Zealanders?
        In an interview this morning Luxon said dropping the 39 % tax rate wasn’t about him… really?

        National are simply the worst party in parliament and continue to be the most destructive party in history.

        • Agree Bert. NZ National have since their inception been all about shovelling socially created wealth “upstairs”–which takes on an additional meaning perhaps with Baldrick’s religious affiliation. They support corporate capitalism and finance capital first and foremost.

          Their dirty little trick though has always been to corral the aspirational self employed, small businesses, contractors, farmers, SMEs, reactionary conservatives etc. into voting for them when they really exist to support the “Big Boys” as SirKey illustrated with the short lived off shore trust scam exposed in the Panama Papers.

  2. National seem to have decided that it will look better if aggrieved beneficiaries go in blasting ala Russel Tully at ‘community groups’ (i.e. ‘charities’ established by Paula Bennett types to soak the taxpayer while the CEO rolls round in an executive car on $x00,000 p/a) vs WINZ offices. This appears shortsighted to me.

  3. Is it though? There is A LOT of angst out there regarding the youth and youth adjacent today and a sense of bewilderment regarding their work ethic and desire. I don’t believe this is the trojan horse that the left feel it is.

    There will be bigger fish to fry come Q3 2023.

    • Is there the amount of angst out there that you think. I would disagree. In my circle all I see is angst at Luxon and Willis at the complete lack of vision shown. Reverting to old a failed policies will not work for them and being apparently hard hearted won’t either. I did a rough calculation and came up with $1000 being available for these coaches to be paid per client. At $140 per hour they are not going to achieve much. Then who is going to find them a job.
      The big issue is that due to a) employers not wishing to train people b) poor focus on education for these people c) corporate welfare in the form of working for families and rent allowances etc d) years of cheap imported labour e) encouragement for people to shift to big cities. We have finished up with an unsolvable problem.
      We need a radical solution and I propose that someone needs to sit down and calculate a real living wage on which a person can live with dignity and respect without any government funding.
      This becomes the minimum wage that must be paid. I know it will upset the current cosy business model but if these people are all paying tax instead of getting benefits imagine how much could be spent on hospitals etc.
      Maybe we could afford a little of Luxons tax cuts because he wouldn’t have to employ coaches.
      .

      • The problem is this.

        Every bit of regulation you throw at society has a cost and this cost has to be forwarded to the end user (otherwise business goes broke). We have also made our lives deliberately expensive (Ifones, coffee, eating out etc) and assume these expensive luxuries are necessities.

        This is the millennial class and subsequent generations.

        • so frank, example of regulation costing money, passing on ‘costs’ is a business choice not an economic law…..most regulation protects small business from a race to the bottom….ie-if you and the bloke down the road have the same rules you have the ‘level playing field’ capitalists like to wank on about.

          most regulations are written in blood because of businesses lack of care…safety rails on scaffolding why? because workers kept dying, the industry wouldn’t change voluntarily so ‘change’ was imposed

    • The pension is not a benefit it is a right earnt by years of work by many .Wen you race 65 you get this money even if you have not worked .If it is not needed it can be pasted on as a donation. I know many iwho do this . A means test is silly as you can always hide income and look poorer than you are . Why should a person be condemned for being frugal through their life not smoking over drinking working hard spending thoughtfully .
      Re Luxon’s policy at least it is policy that highlights the wasted lives of some who have not had the fortune of good parenting models to grow from

      • No Trev according to a recent poll and it was on the TV Ones news last night most NZers don’t agree with giving those who earn 180k a tax break. And Luxon needs to listen cause his mentor Key didn’t listen and went ahead and spent 25 million on a flag referendum that was never going to fly.

      • If I recall correctly, pension is a “transfer payment” along with the dole et al, transferred from current taxes paid. What “right” does anyone who doesn’t need it have to take from the generations that come after them, Trevor?

        • Exactly. Any taxpayer funds passed on to other taxpayers are indeed transfers.

          It is just since the 80s ideology has dictated for several reasons that unemployed and unable to work citizens should be demonised and blamed for their own plight–even if macroeconomic decisions beyond their control like reducing manufacturing caused their loss of work.

          Mrs Shipley even ran TV ads along the lines of–“dob in a bludger, check your next door neighbour”.

          National superannuation is hilarious–though not perhaps for new gens who may not get it themselves, while they currently pay for boomers!–I say hilarious because one day a person is a dole bludger and upon their 65th birthday a hard working heartland Kiwi.

        • When the current gold carders were in work they were told by the Govt ‘X cents in every dollar tax you pay goes towards paying you a pension’. I think X was 6c in every dollar of tax paid.

          They have a social contract that says they are entitled to Super.

          If things need to change then fine but if we dont live up to past agreements then who are the arseholes, those on Super or those wanting to reneg on the deal?

          I dont get the Super and have always believed by the time I get to that age the Govts will have fucked it up so badly I never will.

          • A social contract, Peter Barry? To sell out the youth that came after you? Slavery to the previous generation. Please do explain? Oh please do…

          • indeed peter a deal is a deal…if they want to change the deal when the next cohort starts paying tax well ok(ish) but people paid in all their lives.

        • When the current gold carders were in work they were told by the Govt ‘X cents in every dollar tax you pay goes towards paying you a pension’. I think X was 6c in every dollar of tax paid.

          They have a social contract that says they are entitled to Super.

          If things need to change then fine but if we dont live up to past agreements then who are the arseholes, those on Super or those wanting to reneg on the deal?

          I dont get the Super and have always believed by the time I get to that age the Govts will have fucked it up so badly I never will.

          • What can I say? You heard what you heard etc. It’s a fact now, in real time, that tax paying citizens are paying your pension. The boomer age pension. There’s more of you than us. We can’t buy a home now, because we are paying you “entitlement tax returns” and many of you are just getting away with what you can in your old age. Enjoy your old age, but not on me and my children. Shame on you.

        • Personally I do not agree with the idea of tax breaks for those over $180000 at this point it does seem out of touch even with those who vote National.
          I do agree with the policy to try and help those who need a help to get into workforce .Most people are given a lead by parents but not all . It is not doing anybody favours to do nothing and allow the young ones to lose the will to improve themselves.

      • Yes Trevor and pigs can fly and ACC is not a benefit either but many can’t get it even if they are entitled one has to fight to the bitter end and it wears ya down many give up and suffer.

    • So an apparently simple way of raising funds to pay for a problem that shouldn’t exist.
      Bit like putting sugar in the coffee to disguise the fact you don’t like coffee.
      Its really the sugar rush you want.

    • Couldn’t agree more it is ridiculous that we have politicians amongst others getting the pension whilst raking in at least $150,000.

      • “It’s difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it.”

    • You clearly have no knowledge of the history behind the pension Sinic. Labour brought in a compulsory superannuation scheme in the 1970’s and Muldoon waged an election battle against it by calling it socialist. Where he got the idea that saving for your own retirement was part of some socialist plot who knows, but Muldoon was an idiot so par for the course I guess. After they won the election they scrapped the scheme stating that everyone was entitled to a state funded pension, paid for by their taxes, and the country could afford it for ever and a day. As Brian Gaynor later stated this was worst policy blunder in New Zealand’s history. So stop calling it a rort and accept that the pension is everyone’s entitlement as per government policy.

  4. If Luxon really wants to crack down on welfare why not means test the pension? Boomer freak out in 3, 2, 1…

      • Luxon could introduce a fair CGT, as a point of difference with Labour who won’t!.
        As right-wing pundit New View, who wants National and ACT to introduce a CGT:

        New view August 14, 2022 at 9:19 am
        Yes Jacinda and her Government set him up to fail by giving him the job of coming up with a workable CGT that was destined never to see the light of day. She was happy to spend millions to go through the motions. I’m from the right and have paid CGT death duties in the past. I didn’t like it then but can understand why a well thought out tax to stop excessive accumulation of wealth is needed. Jacinda can see the need but has no spine to implement it. The crocodile tears don’t fool me.

        New view agreed that National should introduce the CGT

        New view August 14, 2022 at 7:03 pm
        TRAH. Did I say the right shouldn’t have a CGT. I would be happy enough if they did so long as it was across the board and not just farms.

        PS, I hope New View won’t be smeared by the right wing brigade of Bob the Moron, Sour (no-Mandela-fan) Kraut, or the racist, homophobic neo-nazi

        https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/08/14/yes-clowns-luxon-will-privatise-welfare-if-weve-finished-with-uffindell-can-we-get-back-to-the-real-issues/
        Reactionary Bratwurst August 14, 2022 at 9:48 am
        Yeah, Rotorua got right fucked by Labour and the Labur Diversity Pick Penis Haver Tamati Coffey. Good riddance to the lot hopefully soon.

        Fine lot these born-to-rule-don’t-you-know-who-I-am NACT’s.

        Hang in there everybody, 2023 will be here soon and NACT’s CGT will be a winner!!

        • Yes nutshell I am a strange mix politically. I have no problem with the free market because that encourages business growth which ultimately leads to wealth, not just for the business sector but overseas exchange and more revenue in the government coffers. That money can fix potholes and help with social rejuvenation. To have good social services you need lots of money. It doesn’t grow on trees like many here believe. I don’t believe Luxon is pushing the right buttons either. My perfect government is right wing with a good social conscience. Naive I know. Our present government is socially inept. We all know the list, health poverty housing etc but worse than that they’ll waste what’s left of the printed money and our stagnating economy will be even less capable of keeping up. This forum accuses Luxon of having no new ideas. Labour’s brain fart is to Nationalise everything believing that will save money and at the same time sharing with Maori and also being total control freaks. That’s got the same chance of working as kiwi build in my view.

    • tell you what monkra how about we tax i-phones through the arse and put ‘data’ up via punitive tax as well, t5hat would bring in a few quid.

      cue twatter users freakout.

  5. Why is it that we have ‘young people welfare are sick, ill or disabled’, why are they not on other benefits, sickness etc. Seems weird.

    Too easy and done too many times to bash beneficiaries, the Nats big thing, ignore the $10 billion a year that is stolen from IRD.

    The middle class like to bash beneficiaries.

    • Michal. He’s also picking up little Bill English’s baton here of not just bashing the younger males, but also being quite aggressive about them; it’s psychological, not well thought through at all.

        • And if Mrs Carmel Sepuloni doesn’t care about the best outcomes for vulnerable children, then she’s not likely to care about anybody else either.

          No excuse though for shiny big rich boy being so confrontational.

        • RB is singing from the Dirty Politics Cameron Slater book of National and ACT.

          And tell me Reactionary Sausage, are National and ACT and the right alliance behind Stuff circuit rabidhoie of misinformation of Fire and Fury? Or are Labour and the Greens?

          https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2022/08/circuit/why-we-made-fire-and-fury/

          YES NACT are more likely associated with Steve Bannon-Trump-Fire and Fury
          NO LabGreens are more likely associated with Steve Bannon-Trump Fire and Fury?

          No prevarication. No false flags. Don’t blame the weather, or bert, or Ernie, or Big Bird.
          Yes or No!

  6. Maybe this is Luxons attempt to tackle “wasteful government spending”. He can’t just rely on cameras on fishing boats which, according to him, are an example of waste and inflationary spend.

    He’s already sorted gang violence. It’s not the NZ police that are the answer, rather the fashion police. Being connected to a higher power he had a conference call with the ghost of Joan Rivers and concluded getting rid of patches is the answer.

  7. Whilst I don’t agree with the method put forward by National something desperately needs to be done.
    We have low unemployment yet at the same time a youth and beneficiary issue.
    The tax brackets should be changed to better favour the lower paid.
    Those with medical and mental health problems should not be a target.

  8. I wonder if National fully understand how essential the welfare safety net is needed for many individuals, and families?

    • Luxon’s modern proposal, Nathan, is based very much on Dr. Jonathan Swift’s A Modest Proposal –
      For preventing the children of poor people in Ireland, from being a burden on their parents or country, and for making them beneficial to the publick. 1729 https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1080/1080-h/1080-h.htm

      Things haven’t changed much for Tories in the 293 years since Swift’s Modest Proposal about Tory attitudes to the poor.

      The Luxon Modern proposal, would be carbon neutral and would help National meet Paris Agreement targets, which would give National another alliance partner in 2023.

      Luxon’s Modern Proposal trumps Swift’s modest proposal, it would be ‘beneficial’, benefiscal and carbon-neutral. Luxon’s modest proposal is as easy as BBC (no Eminem-esque’ royalties for this slogan) and Dr Swift is past copyright commitments ( so no need for Swift-esque branding of Luxon’s Modest Proposal.

      Luxon – dealing to the poor with 293 years of history on his side! (no royalties for this slogan – it’s a freebie!)

  9. “Let’s be clear, we all want young people to have strong vibrant futures and good well paying jobs that are safe is the building block to the stability of that future, ”
    Yeah…? Not that clear. The [rosy] future you write about is a bit shaky @MB. Namely the strong and vibrant ones don’t exist any longer. I doubt they ever did. As for well paying? Well they’d have to be to pay foreign bankster hiked mortgage rates in a country that’s 29 thousand square kilometres larger in land area than the UK. And what land it is! Rich soils, vast fresh water supplies, a fantastic, first world road and rail infrastructure ( At least until your bestie the piggy thought big and pulled up rail into our exports earning rural hinterlands to pave the way for his Big Strong Hairy Sweaty Real Men trucking industry mafioso types. Main freight? Opzeeland? Freightways? Etc? Etc? What’s your opinion on that? Your big heaving road ploughing co2 spewing trucks carry a scant few tons ( Still 40? ) while the trains that used to use the now wanky bike tracks now banks and the odd bridge you boys power past used to carry thousands of tons in one trip.
    Nothing, at all, is the same as it was. Not one thing. The rule book’s been thrown out the window because none of the old rules now apply and there’s no new rule book knocking on the front door because no one knows what the fuck the new rules will look like. And it is that, that gives Baldy Locks sleepless nights in his twisted, sweaty, thousand thread count Egyptian cotton sheets. His dream of a slave like network of cheap desperadoes can’t stand up against the facts, and the facts suggest we’re all fucked on the current vector, Victor. ( Airplane ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airplane! )
    What we need instead is for everyone to be on a guaranteed basic income and less Bob The Billionaires. ( https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/114929454/property-portfolio-propels-sir-bob-jones-to-billionaire-status) Like the old age pension but for everyone. Then, we need our young people to go and party like fuck! I have an agricultural analogy for you. ” The horse gallops fastest when its reigns are most slack. ” That’s one of mine. You can use it anytime you like.
    When kids are unfettered by fear and anxiety they’re at their most productive and creative. The Bald Mope wants to instil fear of his mighty little baldy self instead. Doesn’t that sound just like a $2 tyrant to you?
    Then, we need to re evaluate the value for money we get from our politicians, our bureaucracy and our public service representatives then trim and prune as necessary because those fuckers are all on $6 figures plus entitlements remember. Lets get them long before we focus on the most at risk.

  10. depriving young ill and or disabled people of a small survival income will help to fund tax cuts for fat bald rich property speculator for capital gain aholes who only care for their sector of society. Society as a whole can get stuffed. Cindy’s and LINos impotence has opened the door for these bald pate freaks. God help NZ.

  11. $60 and hr picking fruit sounds good. The government could build a giant housing estate in Te Puke and say to beneficiaries here is a house and great money. And Tell Puke is a lovely town, so nice that even the opposition leader holiday s there.

  12. I also think he should be advocating for the Millennials and GenZero to be conscripted into one of the Military Forces to go and fight China or Russia or whoever the US decides who we’re at war with.

    They’ve been talking up a good game for the last 5+ years so they need to step up and put that into practice. Its time for them to put up or shut up. Because I’m sick of hearing about how mental they all are and how bad their future is.

  13. Martyn you are being highly disingenuous – and you know it. That policy is designed top give people on the job seeker a push – NOT to deprive people on welfare. Read the wording of it.

  14. It is not unfair to want people who do not gave physical or mental disabilities to work and pay taxes like all other well people. Why should tax on superannuation, for example, go to people who refuse to contribute to their own welfare ?

  15. Old Brit tele programme, The Boys From The Black Stuff, about a group of Tar macadim road layers. Anyway, one worker having a breakdown, always calling!geez a job!, due to being laid off from a job paying just above the unemployment benefit. Now this is were Luxon his farm fence shakers, and toady Epsom pals will be taking our youth to if they ever win the election, back to the mother of all budgets, and lash without pity those who refuse to be exploited.

  16. “Many of these young people on welfare are sick, ill or disabled.”

    They’re not the target. The target is the 20 something Neff I bumped into at the library recently. I was on annual leave, this guy was unemployed and strutted around the place in his gang colours and facial tattoos like he owned the place.

    I know a few people who are ‘sick’ and have been unemployed for 20 years. There’s actually nothing seriously wrong with them, they’re just allergic to work. 1 year of continuous employment was the the most one guy has done in 20 years. He simply makes more money dealing p and getting the benefit as carer for 4 kids and thinks ‘working his way up’ like most of us do is for mugs.

    • Bring more foreigners in who will work for “contracted” under the minimum wage, not complain, non-unionised, and smile all the time, happy to be working in New Zealand. Win- win-win.

      Not like hiring a young Kiwi who spend most of their time posing in the Tik-Tok app on their phones, making fish-lips!

  17. Benefit bashing of all shapes and sizes is merely politics. The Tories are playing to their reactionary and largely racist base. What these fools don’t ever do is address the speculators and investor class ripping off the system. Or the CEOs of the publicly funded institutions pocketing $13,000 per week and going AWOL or on overseas jaunts. Benefit bashing is a huge distraction. And what these fools know damn well but never admit is that unemployment is a structural characteristic of capitalism itself. It provides the conditions for keeping on suppressing wages and maximising profits. The whole thing’s a massive rort and a hypocritical fabrication of criminal proportions and they need to be called out for it. The media certainly don’t so we need to.

  18. Absolutely not a strategic blunder – there will be individuals with enormous overseas experience advising National on these attacks. This is an old school, standard and down the middle vote winner when you remember who turns up to vote – it isn’t young people and it isn’t the un-employed.
    The other supposed strategic ‘blunder’ will be attacks on Maori co-governance in defence of ‘democracy’ and ‘common sense’ etc. This will facilitate politely disguised racist dog whistles – again a massive vote winner when you consider who the vast majority of voters are – old, white people.
    These strategies are exceptionally effective and come with a catalog of recent, proven electoral outcomes in the US, the UK, Australia, Poland, India and Brazil.
    As Plato observed – there is a fine line between democracy and mob rule – something successful politicans, and their advisers, understand to their bones. It’s always a question of how far they decide to take it.

  19. The best thing to do in order to give us good, healthy, budget surpluses would be to raise the age of superannuation from 65 years to 67 years. Putting sanctions on benefits would result in savings of anywhere from $40million to $80million per year but would cost us in terms of increased crime rates whereas increasing the age of superannuation could save us between $400million and $600million per year.

  20. well dan and if we go well y’know that insurance policy you took out and paid into your entire life I’ve unilaterally decided to deny you the benefit…cos it suits me.

  21. It’s a blunder along with their nonsense about gangs — by vastly privileged people. You should have concentrated on that dichotomy rather than second chances for Uffindell. If I were to enter public life I wouldn’t make it out of the bunker of private life three feet before being mown down by my lifelong awkwardness around women. It’s a sin.

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