Boycott Israel, the apartheid state under new management


The man who has dominated Israeli politics for so long and campaigned against a Palestinian state is finally gone, for now at least. He has been ousted, after four inconclusive elections in two years, by a broad coalition led by Yamina Party leader Naftali Bennett.

On paper the government is, in Israeli terms, a centre-left government and much has been made of a small Arab party now part of a ruling coalition government for the first time ever.

Might it be time to hope Israel will move towards considering equal rights for Palestinians? Might now be the time for countries like New Zealand to engage more and encourage change towards justice for Palestinians and peace for everyone?

Unfortunately, the answer is a resounding no. The new Israeli government is wedded to continue running what the largest and most respected Israeli human rights organisation B’Tselem calls “a regime of Jewish supremacy from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea”. In their January 2021 landmark report it confirmed what Palestinians and South Africans have been saying for decades – that Israel is an apartheid state.

The B’Tselem report states: “The terms we have used in recent years to describe the situation, such as “prolonged occupation” or a “one-state reality”, are no longer adequate.”

In eight pages it details what it describes as the “four major methods the Israeli regime uses to advance Jewish supremacy”.

These are “immigration – for Jews only”; “taking over land for Jews while crowding Palestinians in enclaves”; “restriction of Palestinians’ freedom of movement” and “denial of Palestinians’ right to political representation”.

It concludes: “These accumulated measures, their pervasiveness in legislation and political practice, and the public and judicial support they receive – all form the basis for our conclusion that the bar for labelling the Israeli regime as apartheid has been met…

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“A regime that uses laws, practices and organised violence to cement the supremacy of one group over another is an apartheid regime.”

B’Tselem was joined in April by the US-based, Nobel-Peace-Prize-winning organisation Human Rights Watch, which released a 213-page report detailing how Israeli policies constituted “crimes of apartheid and persecution” against Palestinians.

Living up to the description of an apartheid regime within its first three weeks, the new Israeli government has approved the building of 31 more illegal Jewish-only settlements on occupied Palestinian land, continued plans for demolitions and ethnic-cleansing operations in the occupied East Jerusalem neighbourhood of Silwan, as well as introducing legislation to continue denying entry to Israel by Palestinians who marry Israeli citizens.

As Budour Hassan from Jerusalem Legal Aid and Human Rights Centre (JLAC) said at the time: “You can be French, you can be American, and you can come and live with your Jewish-Israeli spouse, but if you’re Palestinian in the West Bank, you can’t”.

This attempt to continue denying entry to Palestinians who marry Israeli citizens failed but not because the new government has had a change of heart. It has failed because the opposition wanted to make the denial of entry permanent rather than continue the temporary ban.

There are now 65 Israeli laws, described by B’Tselem and Human Rights Watch as apartheid laws, which discriminate against Palestinians who have Israeli citizenship.

And needless to say the killing of Palestinian protesters by the Israeli Defence Forcehas continued unchecked. For example, Ahmad ‘Abdu was assassinated by an Israeli death squad last month.

The killings are not just on the Israeli side however. Last month Nizar Banat, a prominent Palestinian activist who has been highly critical of the Palestinian Authority, was allegedly murdered by PA security forces. A cousin who witnessed the incident said his house was raided in the early morning, he was pepper-sprayed and brutally beaten before being taken away. He died a few hours later.

The Palestinian Authority, which has a security co-operation agreement with Israel, has grown deeply unpopular among Palestinians and its leadership would be voted out of office if Palestinian elections were held now.

But elections planned for earlier this year have been put on hold because Israel is refusing to allow Palestinians living in occupied East Jerusalem to vote. It suits the PA to delay elections because it is unpopular and it suits Israel also because it would lose a more compliant Palestinian leadership.

So where does this new Israeli regime leave us?

Palestinians are in a struggle remarkably similar to the struggle of black South Africans under white rule.

Black South Africans called for boycotts and sanctions from the outside world to help bring pressure for change and that international solidarity, which we celebrate this year on the 40th anniversary of the protests against the 1981 Springbok Tour. These were successful in helping bring a quicker end to that apartheid regime.

Palestinians have made the same call to the world. In 2005 they launched an appeal for Boycotts, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) to force Israel to abide by international law and United Nations resolutions.

They are campaigning for three things: an end to the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian Territories and the siege of Gaza; an end to Israel’s apartheid laws discriminating against Palestinians and the freedom for Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and land in Israel as is their legal right under international law.

The New Zealand government votes in support of Palestinian human rights each year at the United Nations but, like other western governments, has failed to bring pressure on Israel for change and this is at the heart of the problem.

The government claims it is even-handed in its approach to Palestine and Israel. But this is not true. We have extensive links with Israel but provide only nominal support for Palestinians. For example, the government supports a visa free scheme for young Israelis to travel to New Zealand, but not Palestinians.

Similarly it has signed a signed a film co-production agreement, an aviation services agreement and an “innovation agreement” with Israel. It supports increasing trade with Israel and sent our former Minister of Defence Ron Mark to meet with former Israeli Prime Minister and Minister of Defence Benjamin Netanyahu.

Instead of cosying up to Israel’s apartheid regime we should be supporting Palestinians with government pressure on Israel.

It’s not so different to earlier decades when New Zealand governments described white South Africans as our “kith and kin” and gave their “goodwill and blessing” to All Black teams going to South Africa.

Our governments were wrong then with apartheid South Africa and they are wrong now with apartheid Israel.

I’ll give the last word to the international expert on apartheid, Nobel Peace-Prize-winner and good friend of New Zealand, South Africa’s Archbishop Desmond Tutu, who has described Israeli apartheid as worse than that suffered by black South Africans:

“I have witnessed the racially-segregated roads and housing in the Holy Land that reminded me so much of the conditions we experienced in South Africa under apartheid,” Tutu says.

“We could not have achieved our democracy without the help of people around the world, who through… non-violent means, such as boycotts and disinvestment, encouraged their governments and other corporate actors to reverse decades-long support for the apartheid regime”

In the case of Israel, Tutu says the world should “call it apartheid and boycott”. I agree.


    • Because its easier than fixing up the disasters in NZ – there are a handful of genuine refugees left- not the X million that Minto and his ilk deceitfully claim -the million odd Jews who were evicted from Arab lands were settled by /in Israel

    • Probably as a progression from HART, opposing apartheid, if Tutu reckons its worse for Palestinians than black South Africans …

    • What do Israel make thats in Briscoes, soda stream?
      Israel is at the forefront in technology…medical, military, IT and they are so good at it they sell it around the planet and NOT sold in Briscoes.
      Minto knows the technology is so advanced even muslim countries buy it (of course never advertising the fact).
      What have muslim dominated countries invented or are trail blazers in since the 17th centuary onwards, before Islam became their chief export?

        • Given what the Palestinians destroyed when Israel withdrew from Gaza would they welcome the wonderful science do you think?

          • “The Greenhouse propaganda—How Gazan history is being rewritten to dehumanize Palestinians
            Despite the initial setbacks, the greenhouses were up and running by mid-October. By late November, the New York Times reported that the Palestinians were preparing to harvest a crop of peppers, strawberries, tomatoes and herbs worth $20 million. Presciently, in the same article, Palestinians expressed concern that if Israel did not keep the Karni border crossing open, it could result in the demise of the greenhouse project……
            ….in order for the project to be successful, it would require moving at least 25 truckloads of produce a day through the Karni crossing. On rare days when the Karni crossing was functioning smoothly he was only able to move 3 truckloads. A crossing that was supposed to be open 24/7, per an international agreement to which Israel was party, was only open sporadically and unpredictably. Israel cited security concerns. The Palestine Economic Development Corporation and its Israeli distribution partner Adafresh were losing hundreds of thousands of dollars every week.

            • Diversity is good Brewer, yes? Then diversify your examples.

              “Very importantly Israel and the Palestinian Authority cooperated in creating employment opportunities along the “seam-line” between Israel and the territories (West Bank, Gaza) and in areas under the jurisdiction of the PA. A successful industrial zone was created at Erez which grew to employ about 5,000 workers in some 200 businesses half of which were Palestinian-owned. They produced everything from plastics to car parts and continued to do so even as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict raged. This was part of a larger Gaza Industrial Estate (GIE), slated to provide up to 50,000 jobs. In addition a joint industrial zone was planned south of Tulkarm intended to provide jobs for more than 5,000 Palestinians. Additional areas were planned for Jenin and the Kerem Shalom area near Rafah in Gaza….
              …But all these positive efforts were unfortunately thwarted. The GIE zone became the target of deadly Palestinian attacks leading to closure of the enterprise. In one typical attack, a female suicide bomber detonated a bomb at the Erez Crossing killing four Israelis and wounding 10 as well as destroying part of the facility. Hamas and the Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed joint responsibility…
              …The aspect which must be taken into account in plans for redevelopment was encapsulated by one of the Palestinian factory owners, 40-year-old Ashur Salha,. “It’s simply stupid,” he told Haaretz, “Whoever ordered the bombing must have known that 30,000 mouths depend on our employment here. After all, this hurts us [the Palestinians] much more than it does the Israelis.”

              • You neglected to mention that the piece is a memorandum submitted to the UK Parliament by Maurice Ostroff – a founder member of the international Coalition of Hasbara Volunteers, better known by its acronym CoHaV.

                “‘Hasbara’ is the Israeli euphemism for propaganda, and there are some things, said the late ambassador Yohanan Meroz, that are not ‘hasbarable.’ One of them is Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians.

                And propaganda shall cover for everything. We’ll say terrorism, we’ll shout anti-Semitism, we’ll scream delegitimation, we’ll cite the Holocaust; we’ll say Jewish state, gay-friendly, drip irrigation, cherry tomatoes, aid to Nepal, Nobel Prizes for Jews, look what’s happening in Syria, the only democracy, the greatest army. We’ll say the Palestinians are making unilateral moves, we’ll propose negotiations on the “settlement bloc borders,” we’ll demand recognition of a Jewish state and we’ll complain that “there’s no one to talk to.”

                We’ll wail that the whole world is against us and wants to destroy us, no less. The deputy minister will call on Switzerland to boycott, the minister will declare that boycotts are unacceptable, the deputy director of the Foreign Ministry will explain that a bigger budget is needed, and Sheldon Adelson will convene an emergency conference in Las Vegas – and despite it all, nothing will budge. Propaganda won’t cover for everything.

                The policy of denial and disconnection from reality is rising to a dangerous level, and the illness is getting worse.”

                • Calm down and provide the examples I requested please. Just like you are demanding links and photographic evidence else where on this page. We wouldn’t want the request to be one-way only would we.

                  • So far as I know, the greenhouses were the only examples of “what the Palestinians destroyed when Israel withdrew from Gaza” according to the hasbara. Having madethe statement sansevidence, it is up to you to substantiate it.

                    The industrial zone was closed by Israel, according to the BBC:
                    “The Erez industrial zone will be shut down as part of Israel’s plan to withdraw from the Gaza Strip.”

                    • I did substantiate it. You just chose to call the link propaganda. Is the Hamas Charter also propaganda? Some might say it’s a training manual. Others might compare it to Tarrant’s manifesto. Should it be banned do you think?

                    • Well stop diverting and provide examples of Palestinians welcoming the wonderful Israeli science and supporting those scientists desperate to cooperate with their Israeli colleagues.

                    • I took issue with your statement “what the Palestinians destroyed when Israel withdrew”
                      You have offered not one jot of evidence for this statement.
                      examples of “Palestinians welcoming the wonderful Israeli science” is just another diversion.

      • Noticed something interesting while in town, yellow star stickers on some price tags. Yes, the items came from Israel.

        No doubt, the initiative was that of a lone wolf protester – an admirable sort of activist!

  1. Search for the truth before and think before making up your opinion.

    You will find out that the defending Israel morals are unmatched worldwide when confronting an enemy acting to exnihilate a country and its people.

    Only when the Arabs named Palestinians by the Soviet KGB in 1964 will have a similar organizations to B’Tselem who will challenge the Palestinians narrative and actions to destroy the defending Israel and kill all the Jews, the morals and similarities between the defending Israel and the aggressive Arabs could be discuses.
    Currently the discussion totally un moral and irrelevant.

    The Arabs cleaned up the entire Judea and Samaria from Jewish presents in 1949.
    All the Jews from the areas conquered by the Arabs were either killed or expelled.
    The PA imposed a death law to anyone living in areas governed by them and sells property to a Jew.

    2 month ago , Ahmad Sarraf , A Kuwaiti righter said:
    Arabs do not value human rights .In every Arab and Muslim there is a “little ISIS,” that is waiting to come out/
    “To Israel, the Israeli human being is the most important thing. For us, unfortunately, when 6,000 or 10,000 die in a war here and there, we say that they ascended to heaven and that this is Allah’s decision.
    Source: Al-Arabiya Network (Dubai/Saudi Arabia)

    2 month ago

  2. Good heavens doesn’t John Minto have better things to pursue or is this his way of earning a wage?
    Issues at home need more attention with imminent apartheid on the horizon ?

    • Keep up John! The person you are trying to denigrate has many irons in many fires, both nationally and internationally. Apart from being a keyboard detractor, when did you have a fraction of John Minto’s impact on matters concerning people’s rights and more locally, better social circumstances and services for those who usually miss out on the basic things most of us take for granted?

      Now go back to doing what you no doubt excel at and ignore the old wives tale about it making you go blind.

  3. “Palestinians are in a struggle remarkably similar to the struggle of black South Africans under white rule.”
    The situation though is not ‘remarkably similar’..
    The South African apartheid regime agenda was racist, cruel but it was NOT an agenda to totally rid South Africa of its nonwhites…The Zionist agenda has been from the beginning to take over all the land and get rid of the Palestinians..either violently force them out, or make their lives so ‘unlivable’ that they will go away.
    As for IM RIGHT (who, where are you?) comment ” Israel is at the forefront in technology…(medical?), military, IT and they are so good at it they sell it around the planet …
    the technology is so advanced even muslim countries buy it ….” Oh yes, Israel has lucrative industries exporting advanced killer drones, thugs around the world..Duarte, Orban, Bolsanaro..rulers of Saudi Arabia, UAE..Israel can guarantee that its weapons are ‘battle tested’, the people of Gaza serving as ‘guinea pigs’
    I wish people would think of what Palestinian CHILDREN have to the West Bank, East Jerusalem..seeing their schools and homes demolished. In Gaza seeing their friends and relatives killed, wondering when they will be next..
    Where is humanity? Why the silence when Gazan hospitals, roads to hospitals, the Covid19 testing centre have been deliberately targeted and bombed?

    • Good heavens Lois, have you not noticed that people around the world, not to mention most on this site, are thinking of what Palestinian children have to endure and sending hundreds of millions of dollars to mitigate that endurance. How can it be otherwise when, as exemplified with your article on Ms Jarrar, the people are constantly feed a diet devoid of all the vitamins and minerals (read facts) they need to maintain a healthy body (read perspective.)

      Why just last weekend Brooklyn demonstrators fronted up for a shout out to globalize the intifada and free Palestine. Looking at the number of attacks, assaults and stabbings of Jews in America and Europe since the last Gaza/Israel conflict it would seem the globalization is already underway. And they did make clear when referring to Palestine what they required. “We don’t want no two states, we want all of it.” It’s almost as if they were paraphrasing the Hamas Charter. Are you familiar with that Charter perchance? I imagine you are, being as how you seem so current with Palestinian literature. It did kick off the last intifada and no doubt will come into play again. Are we allowed to think also of Arab Christian children when it does?

      • “Looking at the number of attacks, assaults and stabbings of Jews in America and Europe since the last Gaza/Israel conflict”
        Please elucidate, with links if you have them.

        • Why? Are you too lazy to do your own research or do you prefer to keep to a tunnel-visioned myopic view like most on this site?
          However, as I’m an obliging person I’ll give you one to set you off on a long journey. Mainly to do with the US, Mr Google will help you with Europe.
          I could give you many also relating to attacks on Christians Hindu and Shia Muslims. Interested in those at all? Or do you have a concentrated, specialist focus only on Israel? Now that’s not very praiseworthy for a educated, global, multicultural citizen. Perhaps you’re a white supremacist.

          PS. Why is Daniel Greenfield deranged in your opinion?

          • Not sure how a fact free opinion piece from PJMedia helps your cause. Here is Media Bias Fact Check’s verdict on PJmedia:
            “Overall, we rate PJ Media to be Questionable based on extreme right-wing bias, promotion of propaganda and conspiracies, as well as numerous failed fact checks.”

            Max Blumenthal is an award-winning Jewish journalist, his father is journalist and writer Sydney Blumenthal who later served as an aide to President Bill Clinton.
            Here is his take on the incidents portrayed in your PJ article:
            “To distract from Gaza slaughter, Israel lobby manufactures antisemitism freakout. With deceptively edited videos and dubious allegations, the Israel lobby has manufactured an antisemitism epidemic to turn the media’s gaze away from dead children in Gaza.”

            Yoav Shamir was born in Tel Aviv in 1970. A ninth-generation Israeli from Tel Aviv, he is the son of two elementary school teachers. He graduated from Tel Aviv University with a BA in History and philosophy. He obtained a MFA in cinema with honours. He served as an Israeli soldier in the Israeli-occupied territories.
            In this film he sets out to find the evidence for what you allege:
            It proves to be elusive.

            • Oh too funny, heading straight nanny’s “fact-check” site. And Nanny told you PJ Media was QUESTIONABLE. Quelle horreur! Well if Nanny advises you not to taint yourself by entering the site and clicking on a few verifiable links (don’t panic they’re just local news reports) then try Mr Goggle. Khaled Awad stabs Rabbi is your search term.

              I’m not sure why I need to read any more of the aggrieved Mr Blumenthal than I already have but I dare say you have added the link for some obscure reason. Is his opinion on matters Levantine more highly regarded in polite marxist circles these days than his opinion on China’s treatment of Uyghers would you say? I blame his father and his father’s mafia boss who succeeded in creating yet another jihadi beachhead in the Balkans for undue influence. They should be charged with child abuse of young Max. Along with war crimes in the Balkans.

              You think I have an hour to waste on the ramblings of an old man? But good try. Keep it up. (Though you’re not very convincing.)

              • “Mental health evaluation ordered by judge revealed Awad is bipolar and has not been taking any psychiatric medication”
                So your prime example is a random attack by an insane person which you link to Palestinian resistance?
                You need to do better.

                • Was he taking the cannabis medication instead? That does seem to have let Kobili Traoré off the hook. We’ll have to be careful these “delusional fits” don’t become common here what with Scrooge funding our mental health services.
                  PS. I would post a Guardian link but I fear your fact checker would deem it questionable.

  4. Do you ever offer the same suggestion to that ‘superior’ mother ( nah just racist) woman Juliet moses John ???.

    If I were to list with the key pillars / beliefs of the Kahanist Jewish terrorist ideology ,,,,,, how many of them do you think our more rabid posters like Im Right, gaby etc share with the terrorists.

    “Kahane’s Ideology

    Kahane was a Jewish supremacist who espoused violence and wanted to establish a theocratic Jewish state encompassing not just all of current Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories (the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Gaza), but large parts of neighboring Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq.
    Kahane called for a strict separation of Jews and non-Jews and for the enslavement or expulsion of indigenous Palestinians and other non-Jews from Palestine/Israel. While in the Knesset in the 1980s, he introduced a set of proposed laws which read in part:

    “Non-Jews will be obliged to assume duties, taxes and slavery. If he does not agree to slavery and taxes, he will be forcibly deported.”

    “A non-Jew will not live within the jurisdiction of the city of Jerusalem.”

    “A non-Jew who has a marital relationship with a Jew is liable to 50 years in prison. A Jewish prostitute or a Jewish male who has an affair with a non-Jewish male is sentenced to five years in prison.”

    “Non-Jews will be obliged to assume duties, taxes and slavery. If he does not agree to slavery and taxes, he will be forcibly deported.”

    “Non-Jews in the State of Israel will be without any national rights and without any part in political proceedings in the State of Israel. A non-Jew will not be able to be appointed to any position of authority and will not be able to vote in elections to the Knesset or to any other state and public body.”

    “Restriction of residence – A non-Jew will not live within the jurisdiction of the city of Jerusalem.”

    “Prohibition on intermarriage – Jewish citizens of the country are not allowed to marry non-Jews, both in Israel and abroad. Such intermarriage will not be recognized as marriage at all.”

    “Jews of the State of Israel are not allowed to have full or partial marital relations of any kind with non-Jews, even outside of marriage. Anyone breaching this section is liable to imprisonment for two years.”

    “A non-Jew who has a marital relationship with a Jew is liable to 50 years in prison. A Jewish prostitute or a Jewish male who has an affair with a non-Jewish male is sentenced to five years in prison.”

    “Separation at beaches – Separate beaches will be established for Jews and non-Jews. A person of one people found on the beach destined for a member of the second people will be subject to six months’ imprisonment.”

    ” Lehava (a Hebrew acronym for “Preventing Assimilation in the Holy Land”) is a right-wing extremist group formed by followers of Kahane in 2009 to prevent the mixing of Arabs and Jews in Palestine/Israel. Hemla is an associated group of Kahanists funded by the Israeli government whose stated mission is to protect the “the honor of daughters of Israel” by preventing them from dating or marrying Palestinians and other non-Jews. Both groups are closely connected to the Jewish Power party.

    Lehava members are notorious for roaming the streets of Jerusalem wearing black shirts searching for mixed couples to harass and beating up Palestinians.”


    Finally unless NZ is going to go the way of Israel with segregated schools and separate roads ,,,,,, then your over-hyping NZ’s “imminent apartheid”.

    ,,, and just in the interest of consistency ,,, Do you attach the apartheid descriptor to Israel ???.


    Some info on how to try and protect against Israels dysto-tech that Im Right likes

    • Thank you for providing the ‘Kahanist Creed” reason. The scary thing is that items you list are already being implemented by the increasingly Zionist/Kahanist Knesset.

      One edict that attracted attention was, “Jews of the State of Israel are not allowed to have full or partial marital relations of any kind with non-Jews, even outside of marriage. Anyone breaching this section is liable to imprisonment for two years.”
      The reason was no doubt having previously read, ‘Israel will claim my son’s Olympic gold but won’t let him marry here.’

      Wasn’t there another fascist regime that implemented similar relationship policies with the intention to establish the supremacy of an “Aryan race”?

      • Cheers aom ,,,, Kahanisim is the Elephant in the room when it comes to terrorism and war crimes committed the middle east.

        If we look at the recent disproportionate violence and killings incited by Netanyahoo trying to cling to power and keep out of jail.,,,, the worst and most vicious dogs in the large Kahanist pack were let of the leash ,,,,, escalating attacks and violence to provoke a Al-Qassam response ,,, and then the clockwork reprisals from which no Palestinian Parent can ever shield their children ,,,

        “On 15 May, Israel bombed the Abu Hatab family’s home in Beach refugee camp without warning. Of the 10 people killed in that incident, two were mothers and eight were children.

        Ahmad was a neighbor and friend to some of those children. He cannot understand why they were wiped out so violently.”

        The rising Israel violence, theft and repression against Palestinian has grown from a shared well of poison.

        1). The “Temple Mount” subset of Kahanist extremists,,, they want the Dome on the Rock Mosque destroyed and gone×200.jpg ,,,,

        The more extreme Kahanist consider killing to be blessed by their god and a holey act ,,, which is why this guy is a hero to many of them,,,

        ,,,’The deadliest Jewish terrorist attack occurred when kahanist terrorist Dr. Baruch Goldstein, supporter of Kach, shot and killed 29 Muslim worshipers, and wounded another 150, at the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre in Hebron, in 1994. This was described as a case of Jewish religious terrorism ‘.,,,

        ,,, anyway these were the arseholes and nutters invading and desecrating a Muslim religious site in a manner that would be exactly like invading the Vatican during Easter and teargassing / flashbanging the Catholics present…..

        2) The illegal occupation and ethnic Cleansing of Palestinians from Jerusalem is central core Kahanisim.

        3) The continual growing land theft and illegal settlements in the west bank , Golan heights and elsewhere, is undertaken by the hardcore and most violent Kahanists ,,,, their own chants of ” Death to Arabs” sums them up,,, it’s a perfectly acceptable means to their ends,,, to them ,,,, for example and quoting their new PM on the subject , “there’s nothing wrong with that.”.

        The overt racism of Trump brought out the worst in Israel ,,,, Zionisim has gotten sicker with the infection of a terrorist ideology poisoning it’s people politics and governments, all to some level.

        As a final example of this Kahanist mind-set and moral code in action ,,,, After the three pronged escalations from the’Temple mount’ Mosque attackers ,,, From the home stealing neighborhood cleansing Jerusalem only for Jews dirt bags

        And the mobilization of the illegal settlers who embrace hardcore Kahanist terrorist ideology ,,,, “Kahane believed that hate and violence were terrible, but terribly necessary at the right time and place.”

        After the three pronged pogrom of Israel violence and Kahanist actions drew a response ,,,, Israels reprisals of massive high explosives, ALWAYS killing mainly civilians,,, shows a contempt for them that comes from a place that both David Cummins and Juliet Moses have expressed ,,that the Palestinians have less humanity and are a lower race of dangerous people.

        Juliet Moses backed up and agreed that Palestinian parents / mothers were not as loving as Jewish ones ,,,, like herself for instance.,,

        Both she and Cummins also stand by the most moral bullshitters and prolific protester shooters in the world ,,,, who tell us Palestinian kids are brought to protests as “human shields” ,,,, which would be a pretty impressive trick training the little buggers to jump in front of a snipers bullets they can’t even see ,,,at exactly the precise time,,,, to shield the intended Hamas target ,,,

        Of course this ‘shield’ trick is impossible as anyone with half a brain or has ever fired a gun would know ,,,,

        ‘Fake as they come Cummins’ was the dirty trickster ,,, trying to shield the truth with OCBSD Obsessive-compulsive Bull-shitting Disorder

        But trying to encourage people to think of Palestinian mothers / parents as unloving shield breeders serves it’s purpose like all war propaganda…..

        Racists dehumanize the person,,,, it’s not murder if they’re not human.,,,, Gook , Rag-head, filthy hunn, dirty commie ,,,

        Kahanists are as much racists as Nazis.

        Bombs away

        P.s your interesting link glitched for me ,,,, I think this one works

        And I must credit David Sheen for the bulk of my learning and information on the evil terrorist ideology of Khaninism , JDL and other current Zionist Jewish terrorist factions / influence.

        I’d be pretty confident to bet that’ Juliet we must talk about terrorism Moses’ has said SFA informing about these terrorists.

        I think the Kahanist core beliefs could be compressed down to between 7 and 10 broader principles/ attitudes and wishes ,,,, at this point it could be used as a diagnostic tool evaluating the Kahanist sickness ,,,,,

        Understand the motives and there is no mystery behind the actionsl ,,,, The Israel Govt is more infused with terrorist ideology than Hamas ,,,

        Quoting from a link Gaby helpfully and unwittingly provided proves this point ….

        “Hamas won the Palestinian Authority legislative elections in 2006.8The social services provided by Hamas in both the West Bank and Gaza are wide ranging and of long standing – Hamas funds schools, orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics, soup kitchens and sports leagues.912.

        The (AL-QASSAM) Brigades were established in 1992 as the military wing of Hamas.10 The Brigades have about 2,000 core combat operatives and a wider membership of about 15,000.11

        There is a clear separation in the leadership between Hamas’ political wing and the Al-Qassam) Brigades; Jane’s reports that this is increasing”

        Israels Kahanist infected political wings are central and fused with their military.

        International Dirty Politics media keeps this reality as quiet as Juliet Moses ,,,,

        ,,, the Zionist terrorist elephant that shall not be spoken of.

  5. Deja vu, Groundhog Day, broken record…Mr. Minto desperately needs some new material. Israel is clearly not living up to his expectations of evil if he has to re-hash the same stuff all the time. And, of course, the interminable quote from Bishop Tutu, an outed antisemite, to wrap up. BDS is failing because no one can do without Jewish genius. Even the Arab states are playing ball, as the Abraham Accords testify, and the others do so under the table. As for the apartheid nonsense; long since debunked.
    And since Mr Minto likes quotes, here’s a few:
    In 1937, the Arab leader Auni Bey Abdul Hadi told the Peel Commission: “There is no such country as Palestine. Palestine is a term the Zionists invented. Palestine is alien to us.”
In 1946, Princeton’s Arab professor of Middle East history, Philip Hitti, told the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry: “It’s common knowledge, there is no such thing as Palestine in history.“
In March 1977, Zahir Muhsein, an executive member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), said in an interview to the Dutch newspaper Trouw: “The ‘Palestinian people’ does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel.”
Joseph Farah, an Arab-American journalist, writes: “The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. Palestine has never existed as an autonomous entity.“
Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist acknowledged the lie he was fighting for:  “Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian? … we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians. They removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag.”
The Syrian dictator Hafez Assad said: “There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity“.
Dr. Azmi Bishara, a notable leader of the Arabs in Israel, who fought against the Israeli “occupation”, said in a TV interview: “There is no Palestinian nation. It’s a colonial invention. When were there any Palestinians?”

    • What nonsense you write Gaby.
      Most of the above quotes emanate from men who spent their lives working for self-determination for the people from what we now call Palestine and bitterly opposed Zionism. The quotes simply reflect their leanings towards Baathism (Palestine is Historically a province of Greater Syria), Pan-Arabism (Palestine should be part of a greater federation of States) or included in the recently created Jordanian State.

      Go tell the English they have no right to self determination because there once was not a place called “England”:
      “The words ‘English’ and ‘England’ come from the Anglo-Saxon. The Anglo-Saxons were not a single people, and may not have been even a formal confederation initially. Largely composed of Jutes from Jutland where they are still called Jutes …the Engle or Angles from Angeln in Denmark, additionally called the ‘Anglii’ (Latin for Engle,) by the Roman chronicler Tacitus, as well as the Seax, called after their formidable fighting blade of the exact same name, that came from Saxony Elbe-Weser region in Germany.


      • Well obviously the English have no right to self-determination. Where did you get the idea they were? Everyone knows Jutes, Angles and Saxons, together with their Celtic predecessors and Norman followers were white-skinned, therefore a priori racist. How dare racists think they’re entitled to their land. How bigoted can you get!

      • What nonsense you write, Brewer. Since that got your tights in a tangle, here’s another quote for you:
        ‘Palestinian identity is just so much gibberish. The official definition of that identity encompasses only those parts of the Palestine Mandate which Israel holds today.
        ‘The people who live on the parts of the Palestine Mandate that were turned into the Kingdom of Jordan in 1921 are not Palestinians. There is no call to incorporate them into a Palestinian state. The people who lived in the parts of Israel that were captured by Jordan and Egypt in 1948 weren’t Palestinians, and there was no call to turn the land that today comprises the so-called “Occupied Territories” into a state. But in 1967 when Israel liberated those areas– only then did they magically turn into Palestinians. How is anyone supposed to take this nonsense seriously?
        ‘Suppose I were to tell you that there were an ancient people known as the Floridians whose land was seized from them to make resort hotels and orange groves. What would be your first clue that there was something wrong here? Florida is a Spanish name meaning flower. Palestine, which is a Latin name applied by its ancient conquerors, derived from the Greek, has the same problem.
        ‘When the Jews rebuilt their country, they did not call it Palestine, that was the name used by European powers. They called it Israel. The local Arabs who had come with the wave of conquests that toppled Byzantine rule had no such history and no name for themselves. Instead they took the Latin name used by the European powers and began pretending that it was some ancient tribal identity, rather than a regional name that was used by the European powers to describe local Jews and Arabs.
        ‘… This bloody circus has been going on for way too long. Enough that the Arab states and the local clan leaders have managed to turn out generations of children committed to killing in the name of a mythical identity for a state that they don’t really want. The call for a Palestinian state was a cynical ploy for destroying Israel. It’s why the negotiations never go anywhere, they’re not meant to go anywhere.’ Daniel Greenfield

        • Not sure what you hope to accomplish by quoting the deranged Israeli Greenfield but the original Zionists didn’t weren’t so reluctant to name Palestine:
          “The High Contracting Parties recognise the historic title of the Jewish people to Palestine and the right of the Jews to reconstitute in Palestine their National Home.
          The boundaries of Palestine shall be as declared in the Schedule annexed hereto.
          The sovereign possession of Palestine shall be vested in the League of Nations and the Government entrusted to Great Britain as Mandatory of the League.
          (Provision to be inserted relating to the application in Palestine of such of the genera”
          – Statement of the Zionist Organization Regarding Palestine Presented to the Paris Peace Conference, 1919.

          “The task before us is the Jewish settlement of Palestine
          Judge Brandeis address to the Zionist organisation of America, 1920.

          “Both Palestine and the Jews of the world are part of a complex pattern of international relations”
          – Ben Gurion (David Grün) “The Imperatives of the Jewish Revolution” 1944.

          ACCORDINGLY, WE, the members of the National Council, representing the Jewish people in Palestine…….HEREBY PROCLAIM the establishment of the Jewish State in Palestine, to be called ISRAEL.
          – Declaration of Independence 1948.

          Great little name changers these Israeli Prime Ministers – Dave Grun, Ariel Scheinermann, Moshe Chertok, Levi Shkolnik, Yigal Peikowitz, Golda Meyerson, Mieczysław Biegun, Yitzhak Yezernitsky, Szymon Perski, Benny Mileikowsky and Ehud Brog.
          Why do they do this? Could it be because these European names don’t actually belong in Palestine?

    • Herr Gaby still trolling for zionism in spite of the murder, stealing of land and brainwashing of the Israeli people. A miserable sick bigoted mind being displayed publicly supporting the ongoing genocide and creation of family grief.

      John Minto is speaking out against a tide of organised propaganda backed by extreme global wealth

      • Just to clarify for this site’s obtuse nazis, which may or may not be both the accused and those who accuse, is the extreme global wealth of which you speak banker or petrodollar wealth?

        • How is John W meant to know, unless he undertakes a huge amount of work ,,,, the origins and proportions out of the Hundreds of Millions of dollars, that Israel spends buying favours, and protection from the politicians and Governments it gives bribes / donates to ?.

          I bet Anne is too lazy to just add up the Zionist multi millions given to both political sides, each and every elction cycle ,,,, the over $ 100 Million U.s they spend meddling and interfering ,,,, technically may not ‘buy’ the politicians they throw the cash at ,,

          ,, as it is their valuable votes ,,, and policy favoring Israel they are actually paying for.

          ….Anne could probably watch this and claim all the Zionist vote buying money , has nothing to do with wealth ,,,, How Much Pro-Israel Money Politicians Attacking Ilhan Omar Received

          But she deserves this meddle with it’s nice star of David for her Nazi levels of propaganda ,,

          Israel supported ISIS terrorists with weapons, money and medical treatment as they trafficked and raped Yazidi woman into Syria during their failed attempt to ovethrow the Government and destroy the country

          Hamas is nothing like ISIS ,,, Hamas fights ISIS…..

          Israel is the ISIS Air-force ,,, and shares their goal of destroying Syria ,,, tough luck for Christian Syrians is Israels attitude.

          “Christianity in the region had been destroyed not by Muslims but by Israel, said Fr Manuel. “Israel destroyed the church of Palestine and the church of Jerusalem, beginning in 1948. It, not Muslims, has sent Christians in the region into a diaspora.”

          He told his listeners how he had seen the Israeli army target the Christian school in Gaza.

          Five Hamas ministers visited the school after it was attacked and promised they would repair the damage… Hamas paid more than 122,000 US dollars to repair all the damage caused. ”

          ,,,,Israel is still bombing Syria and killing those who defeated their Yazidi raping proxy ground force ,,,

          On our NZ Police official website ,,, The NZ Police state as fact..

          …”after Hamas won the Palestinian Authority legislative elections in 2006.8The social services provided by Hamas in both the West Bank and Gaza are wide ranging and of long standing – Hamas funds schools, orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics, soup kitchens and sports leagues.9″

          Also quoting NZ Police website ,,,,

          ,,”There is a clear separation in the leadership between Hamas’ political wing and the (Al Quassam) Brigades; Jane’s reports that this is increasing.

          So when the NZ police write about Hama’s ,, ” The social services provided by Hamas in both the West Bank and Gaza are wide ranging and of long standing – Hamas funds schools, orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics, soup kitchens and sports leagues” ,,,

          Compared to what Anne wrote ,,,
          “Hamas in Gaza (with leaders living in multi-million dollar mansions, while training children in poverty in the ways of jihad.) ”

          … She really does deserve that special Zionist medal from the past ..l ,,,

          A hard lesson from history has been taught ,,, never forget ,,,’our turn now’…
          ……Israel Uber Alles ,,,

          • Lest you also be accused of being lazy I take it you have tallied up all the US dollars, Euros, UN contributions, halal “alms” and your kiwi tax dollars sent in foreign aid to assist the jihad have you? Don’t forget Iran’s pay-for-slay donations. Just imagine depriving your own people of life’s necessities in order to aid another region’s people in targetting a joint enemy. Shouldn’t that be immoral? How many more children will our own PM send into poverty in order to assist the impoverished of Gaza do you suppose?

            • Anne you neglected the billions the USA donates to Israel and the weapons also provided.
              Heed the words of Arial Sharon on how Israel controls the USA, its media and congress.

              • John W. That was your colleague’s neglect; reason being the one coming to your aid by totting up “Zionist” dollars. I merely suggested a little balance. Your Star of David award rightly belongs on his arm.
                Did the US media and Congress not get the message that Russia controls the US? Just imagine: sneaking that misogynist, Islamophobic Trump into the White House for 4 yrs right under Israel’s nose. Didn’t they heed Sharon’s words?
                And now look what they’ve done; elected bigots like Omar and Thlaib into the House. Will they never learn?

          • Reason
            I have spent years researching the misty world of money and have a fairly wide view of who runs the world. Its a tight closed circle but the pattern is consistent.
            Zionism from its emergence prior to 1900 has much more than Jewish input but the money runs through family ties, massive wealth involved which steadily increases and much of it hidden from public view.
            Its public knowledge that just 9 people own or control more wealth than that held by the bottom 4 billion. Th real stack of assets is is far beyond that and not open to public discovery.
            What other country consistently ignores UN resolutions against its crimes.

  6. August 2, 2021:
    Israeli Court Wants Palestinian Homeowners to Pay ‘Rent’ to Jewish Settlers

    “Israel’s Supreme Court today offered Palestinian residents of the occupied Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood ‘protected residence’ status, saying that if they pay rent to the settler organization which claims the land on which their homes are built, their properties will not be demolished.

    “The families have rejected the proposition, objecting to Nahalat Shimon’s claims of ownership and subsequent plans for their forcible eviction, Ir Amim reported.” From this link

  7. Ben & Jerrys Ice Cream Embargo

    From that link:
    Ben & Jerry’s co-founders have pushed back against claims of anti-Semitism following the company’s decision to stop offering its ice cream products in Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories, noting that they themselves are Jews.

    Writing in the New York Times, Bennett Cohen and Jerry Greenfield said they were “proud Jews” who view Israel’s occupation of the West Bank as a barrier to peace.

    “It’s possible to support Israel and oppose some of its policies, just as we’ve opposed policies of the US government. As such, we unequivocally support the decision of the company to end business in the occupied territories, which a majority of the international community, including the United Nations, has deemed an illegal occupation,” they argued, in an op-ed published on Wednesday.

    • Cut and pasting from easily identified propagandist sources isn’t research. Neither is making shit up!

      Don’t take this to too personally, but your lack of insight demonstrates what history endlessly proves. That is that there have to be uncritical followers so that deluded, smug, self-aggrandising and often dangerous idiots can fill a void to lead them.

        • Just askin’. Are you a little infatuated too… beginning to suspect…you can’t seem to stay away from my comments.
          Is Gaby male? See that’s the problem with genderless pseudonyms, you can’t tell the sex of the commenter. It makes such a difference sometimes. Why doesn’t Martyn enforce the mandatory use of pronouns? Would make sense. As usual I lead by example.

  8. Israel is a failed ‘ideal’. Marlon Brando, out of stupidness and blindness, even at the time, fought for it in the 40s. Yes, it was an ideal and it’s foundation is fizzled.

    On that basis it’s so failed these are easy pot-shots instead of addressing our reality.

    • So the eighth most powerful nation in the world, and remembering how small it is, is a ‘failure’? The failures are Hamas and the PA who have squandered their people’s futures on senseless hatred and violence. As Quintus said to Maximus: “People should know when they’re beaten.”

      • OK, raising to the bait of an ignorant idiot who doesn’t deserve the time of day: per head of population, the IDF has the most expensive military on earth. Much of that is financed on the backs of impoverished Americans (pay back for bribes as demonstrated with reason’s link and with its Zionist/Kahanist US supporters who are worth mega-billions but pay stuff all, if any, tax. e.g.

        Imagine how well the Palestinians would have fared with a fraction of the US largess given what they achieve whilst being attacked by a force that acts on the Curtis LeMay philosophy that then necessitates successive rebuilds on the scraps of financial aid the get through to them.

        Anyway, are you and your ilk (not members of our cherished Jewish community!) ready to give up your comfortable NZ lifestyle to go and actually fight for your Kahanist inspired beliefs, since the Israeli Zionist dominated Knesset is determined to go to war? The kids conscripted to IDF will probably need every adult able body available. Why? Because the day is arriving when it won’t be able to count on defending itself to the last American soldier. The ‘cannon fodder class’ are pissed off with not only losing troops to enemy fire but have a serious post-service suicide problem – four deaths to each battle-field casualty

        Besides, the US is going to be out of its depth with all the other big hornets nests it is stirring up internationally. This is necessitating the beefing up of its misnamed ‘defence’ options in places other than the middle east.

      • Which of these “People” should have taken Quintus’ advice Gaby:
        Maori after the NZ Wars?
        North American Indian after the War of 1812?
        Brits after Dunkirk?
        Russians after Austerlitz?
        Jews circa 1944?
        Americans after the Battle of Fort Washington?

        You neglected to include Maximus’ reply: “Would you, Quintus? Would I?”

        Personally I prefer Clausewitz who has, by far, the better track record when it comes to war prognostication (we all know what happened to the Roman Empire):
        “even the ultimate outcome of a war is not always to be regarded as final. The defeated state often considers the outcome merely as a transitory evil, for which a remedy may still be found in political conditions at some later date.”
        Given that…:
        “Sharp decline in support for Israel among young US evangelical Christians: poll”
        “A third of young US Jews see Israel as genocidal, poll finds”
        “Latest Gallup Poll Shows Young Americans Overwhelmingly Support Palestine”
        …..Clausewitz seems rather prescient in comparison to Quintas who did not live to see the fall of Rome prove his remark foolhardy.

        • Perhaps Muhammad after the Battle of Uhud?
          Then again gods do have a way of motivating people.
          Hamas seeks to fulfill the Qur’anic scripture which reads: “The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!”
          Or any of these:
          “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it”; “The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews’ usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised”; “Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty, loudly proclaiming: ‘Hail to Jihad!’. This cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah’s victory comes about.”
          In this instance it would appear Mr Google is not your friend as it returns no results. Very strange don’t you think. Never mind, I’m sure your fact checker will verify. Duck Duck will also go.

          • Anne have you ever contemplated world peace is not based on rantings of quasi-religious scriptures.
            Change tack if you wish to counter the mischief and mindwash associated with beliefs outside of the brother / sisterhood of mankind.
            There are some cruel psychopaths among us as a one species.

            • John W. Well see that does become a little difficult when the rantings of scripture are quoted in political charters and when Imams and rioters not infrequently quote the same scriptures.
              Your advice, though greatly appreciated, should more properly be directed their way.

        • Oh for goodness’ sake. Are we now to have a slanging trade off of warlike verses from mythological texts?
          As Dawkins put it:
          “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

          Israeli zealots’ obsession with Islam blinds them to the humanity on both sides. They also seem to have forgotten that a substantial bloc of Palestinians are Christian, including such activists as Chris Bandak – leader of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, Wadie Haddad – Palestinian leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine’s armed wing, George Habash – founder of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Dr. Wadie Haddad – member and leader of the national resistance wing of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Edward Said – Palestinian literary theorist, cultural critic, political activist, Dr. Hanan Ashrawi – politician, legislator, activist….and so on.

          This is not an ancient religious struggle, it is a modern, indigenous people’s fight for the rights guaranteed them by International Law and the U.N. charter along with about 90 U.N. resolutions.

          “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

          ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

          • Written without any awareness of the irony contained therein I presume? Can you point me to a similar remonstrance of those who on this very site quote from biblical texts and Kahanist ideology please. Otherwise I may be forced to conclude you are merely a fascist nanny-scold who delights in posting links to bunjo pics

            Why are you quoting the renowned bigot Dawkins? You may need to update your quotes to his more recent opining “I think Islam is the greatest force for evil in the world today. I’ve said so, often and loudly.” Don’t worry, he’s been roundly castigated for it. And cancelled of course.

            Au contraire old chap, both the lesser and the greater jihad are ongoing religious drivers of the quest for submission. Palestine, Kashmir, the Balkans (helped massively by Clinton and Blumenthal) Myanmar, Sri Lanka, India, the Phlippines and always and forever Africa. New Zealand too with our imminent return of blasphemy law under the guise of hate speech.

            Do Palestinian zealots and their supporters’ obsession with Jews, both as a race and a religion also blind them to the humanity on both sides? I haven’t seen a sliver of humanity shown to the Jews since I began perusing this site quite some time ago. And the singular focus on Israel is rather odd. Why not an equal focus on Kashmir for example or the massive ongoing slaughter of Christians in Nigeria (again secularists pretend this is a conflict over land.) Why no attention to China and its current oppression of the Uyghers.
            More than a little hypocrisy going on here wouldn’t you agree?

  9. Of interest to John Minto perhaps:
    “Decades after the bombing of the Rainbow Warrior, more details have emerged about how a French spy “crucial” to the attack fled from New Zealand police.

    Christine Cabon fled Interpol while amidst a long-running archaeological dig in Israel, after apparently being tipped off by two shadowy Israeli figures.

    The new information contradicts the former spy’s assertions that she learned police were after her, while coincidentally already en route back to France. And it raises further questions about the identity of two (“incongruous” Hebrew-speaking) mysterious men who appeared to warn her Interpol was searching for her before she fled.”

  10. Brewer I noticed your last link is dated. This narrative (sorry no statistics is dated 21 May 2021 and tells the story of changing attitudes among American Jews.

    Also, found this, “A 2021 Gallup poll found that while two-thirds of Democratic voters still held favourable views of Israel, two-thirds also favoured Palestinian statehood. Support among Democratic voters for the US putting more pressure on the Israelis to make peace stood at 53 percent.” This is from dated 24 May 2021.

    Also, June 2021.

    Keep up the good work Brewer! People with you knowledge, intellectual ability and research skills are a rare commodity!

    • May I inquire whether you have a database for all the links you and your colleagues post here?
      Could I have access if I say the magic words?
      Have the links all passed muster with nanny factchecker?
      I can’t be doing with bias, misinformation and propaganda you know.

      • Online debate 101.
        (My comments in brackets).
        Always stick to evidence-based facts. Never post opinion pieces unless you can substantiate the facts, upon which the opinion is based, from multiple sources. If you cannot do this, your opponent has only to show your source is dubious in order to defeat your point.
        (See your comment at August 6, 2021 at 11:53 am and what follows)
        Stick to the point. Diversion is easily spotted.
        (Note that your comment of August 8, 2021 at 12:22 pm introduces the Hamas Charter into a debate about your claim: “the Palestinians destroyed when Israel withdrew from Gaza”)

        In answer to your question “May I inquire whether you have a database for all the links you and your colleagues post here?” the answer (in my case at least) is no.
        When one has been interested in the Middle East situation for 50 years, when one has substantial knowledge of the History combined with an awakening to indigenous struggles generally, it is easy to distinguish the product of Israel’s quarter of a billion dollars budget for hasbara from fact. A simple search suffices when something doesn’t fit – either in the negative (nothing shows up) or, the only sources are Israeli hasbara sites.
        I invite you to examine my back catalogue. If you can find any posts that require substantiation from either independent or Zionist sources, please point to them.

        • Is that “evidence-based” facts according to your politicised fact-checker or just according to your own carefully selected opinion pieces and articles to which your associates here point you? The new buzz phrase of unconscious bias comes to mind and before you rush breathlessly into print, of course I recognise that applies to me and everybody who comments here. It’s one of the reasons why I suggest people do their own research. For every link you, aom, reason, Khaela and every other commenter here who would drive Jews back into the diaspora paste here I can find information elsewhere that would back an alternate viewpoint. For every plaint of posting misinformation and propaganda you and the aforementioned have levied at me, j’accuse you also. I at least post without the ad hominems and bunjo pics. So please don’t presume to lecture me on the niceties of online debate.

          Your knowledge of history displayed to date in your posts would earn you a fail grade at any reputable university. Zionism and colonialism are one side of the coin, Arab imperialism, Arab nationalism, the Ottoman Empire the dhimmi doctrine, European guilt, US exceptionalism, the very strange UN definition of a refugee as it applies to Israel, and only Israel, OIC pressures all coalesce in the other side. And if your viewpoint that this is a land-based dispute beginning with the formation of the Zionist Congress is one you take seriously you urgently need to resume study beginning circa 376-476 AD. I’ll use AD as I gather Martyn doesn’t approve of wokeness.
          Please don’t presume to lecture me about history either.

          • ““evidence-based” facts”
            “…. I can find information elsewhere that would back an alternate viewpoint.”
            That rather neatly sums up our different approaches. You obviously do not distinguish between “information” and “evidence”
            For example. On the topic of the alleged damage done subsequent to the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, I posted a piece that contained about 30 links to people who were directly involved and other evidence including from James Wolfenson, who funded the purchase of greenhouses. All disputed your allegation.
            In response, you posted a memorandum written by a founder of the international Coalition of Hasbara Volunteers, CoHaV.
            In it there is not one link or reference to independent data. What is more, he states: “The GIE zone became the target of deadly Palestinian attacks leading to closure of the enterprise.”
            This is utterly refuted by the BBC report of Wednesday, 9 June, 2004 which states: “An industrial park in northern Gaza that provides jobs for more than 4,000 Palestinians is to close.
            The Erez industrial zone will be shut down as part of Israel’s plan to withdraw from the Gaza Strip.”

            In fact, the zone continues to operate to this day when not being bombed by Israel:
            “Israel shells Gaza industrial zone before truce”
            May 21, 2021
            “Gaza to rebuild industrial zone to ease unemployment
            Officials inspect the ruins of the Gaza Industrial City which was destroyed by Israel’s air strikes”

            Your “information” was intended to give the impression that Palestinians destroyed these facilities. That is the purpose of Hasbara.
            The evidence points in another direction.

            • Please could you heed your own advice.
              Example 1: Gaza Greenhouses
              “Jihad al-Wazir, the deputy Palestinian finance minister, said roughly 30 percent of the greenhouses suffered various degrees of damage.”
              (Linked to your Mondoweiss article)
              30%? Hardly a show of gratitude to the American philanthropists who purchased the glasshouses for the Palestinians. The Mondoweiss link, by the way, to “other reports that rather than leave their greenhouses behind for the Palestinians some settlers decided to burn them to the ground” is broken. Or removed for some reason.

              Example 2: Jews attacked during Israeli/Gaza conflict
              What does Online debate 101 say about cherrypicking examples? There were many in the link I provided, some are tweets Twitter has since removed but they are still available in other online publications. Other links still work.
              You chose one to comment and termed it the prime example. That is your wording not mine. Did you also look for context?
              Note Awad’s statements since arriving from Egypt.

              Example 3: Daniel Greenfield
              “Not sure what you hope to accomplish by quoting the deranged Israeli Greenfield” (Your comment to Gaby)
              Is it a fact that Greenfield is deranged? Did you provide evidence?

              Example 4: And you really did force my hand on this.
              Your link, presumably a double entendre.
              Does Online debate 101 give advice on keeping debate classy or can we all stoop to this level?

              Chow now, I’m done on this thread. See you on another.

              • Classic Hasbara.
                The intent behind your “Given what the Palestinians destroyed” remark is “Look, this is what Palestinians do.”
                – when right in front of your eyes is evidence of what Palestinians do (left out of your narrative):
                “Jihad al-Wazir, the deputy Palestinian finance minister, said roughly 30 percent of the greenhouses suffered various degrees of damage. He said that after a “very heated meeting” with Qureia and other Palestinian leaders, the security forces appeared to be getting the situation under control.”
                So no. Your racist attempt to besmirch all Palestinians with the actions of the few (and who would not understand a few who have been dispossessed of their land and homes then impoverished by sanctions, blockades, bombings and the deliberate sabotage of crossing closures pinching stuff) is utterly defeated when a Palestinian leader steps up and puts an end to petty thievery.
                Your attempt to somehow yoke this behaviour (which would pass as pretty normal in any society – my own property here in NZ has been raided) to some sort of rationale to excuse the ethnic cleansing, the dispossession of an indigenous people is pathetic and easily exposed.

                It is a constant in your posts.
                An insane man stabs a rabbi – “look. This is what Palestinians do!”
                Classic racism.

                • Brewer you are wasting you time with a troll. They come with many guises.
                  Ignoring the big picture and dabbling in detail is a common troll ploy.

          • Get a f**king grip and stop the hasboral fuckwittery!

            Quote, “For every link you, aom, reason, Khaela and every other commenter here who would drive Jews back into the diaspora paste here I can find information elsewhere that would back an alternate viewpoint.” This is akin to your fellow troll’s derogatory accusation on another thread, of a person as others his age was profoundly affected by post-war photographs and narratives about the extermination camps and other indignities inflicted on the Jews, as being a holocaust denier.

            Doubtless, none of those people you listed would be other than supportive of the NZ Jewish community (with the few obvious exceptions such as TDB trolls) . This would apply in work, social settings and at play. Your prejudicial bent seems to have the very sick stereotype that sees protest against a political movement that has no respect for the human rights of others as unacceptable.

            Now, who is driving anyone back into the diaspora? Mind you there would be no objection to those who are wedded to Zionism/Kahanism relinquishing their citizenship and taking a hike to their obviously preferred emotional homeland. Actually, there is a good chance that eventually, Israel will drive many of its own population into the diaspora, just as surely as it is causing young American Jews to assert that they are American, not Israeli, who are unsupportive of the political direction of the ‘Nation State of Jews”.

            Israel’s abuses of internationally recognised basic human rights of course isn’t restricted to just Palestinians but other minority sects. It now even runs to mixed marriages being unacceptable.

            Before you get on to the but ‘what-abouts’ of other countries and your usual miasma of meaningless verbiage, forget it. Your ignorance of the views of others precludes you even going there, unless you want to trumpet your own strenuous efforts to change the world in the sorts of places you usually list.

            • aom
              You missed the Israeli bombing and missiles directed at Yemen and Syria which appear to be a part of a wider expansion plan.
              Killing hundreds of innocent civilians is not confined to the remnants of Palestine and its people. Nasty inhuman stuff against UN resolutions which are ignored by the psychopaths.

            • Temper, temper aom. Remember who’s blog you are commenting on. The judicious use of swearing is generally reserved for blog owners not the plebs.

              Who is driving Jews back into the diaspora? A long but sad history unfortunately
              1. Any nation state who expelled Jews prior to 1948 drove Jews into the diaspora
              2. Any nation state who currently persecutes Jews drives them back into the diaspora. The last remaining Jew in Afghanistan fled after Trump announced the pullout. Not just Jews though. Note the treatment of minorities in majority Islamic countries. Pakistan doesn’t even recognise its own Nobel prize winner, one of only 3 Muslim Nobels in science and 12 overall
              3. Persons involved in the rape and massacre of Jews in the 1920s and 30s in Mandatory Palestine
              4. As you’re a Godwin’s law expert I won’t even have to mention the years involved or the countries which collaborated, including those who sheltered war criminals for decades afterwards.
              4. Present-day anti-semites in Europe. Germany has now invested $41 million in researching who they are. You’ll be pleased to note most of the dosh is allocated to study right-wing extremism but… goodness me what is this.. $11 mill for left-wing extremism. Now where does that spring from?
              I did give Brewer a link to attacks on Jews in the US and Europe but for some unknown reason he cherry-picked a example of an Egyptian with bi-polar disorder. That is not your argument to comment on, Brewer being quite capable of comment, but you could peruse the link.
              5. Iran has a plan which is a little more extreme. Gosh even Biden had to push back on it recently. Twice in fact. Isn’t he supposed to be the president of unity and healing?

              Is Urf and the Palestinian Land law a violation of internationally recognised basic human rights would you say? And which “internationally recognised” rights are we talking here: the UN Declaration or the Cairo Declaration? The one is a little different to the other.

              You see aom I have to point these things out to those who can’t see the wood for the trees in their detailed and jaundiced view of Zionists, colonialism and land rights, for they are legion on this site….ignoring the views of others… indulging themselves in specious hasbara conjectures… links to bunjo pics… swearing even. That’s what comes from a skewed focus and since we have to take our cue from BLM these days I must speak out, silence being violence ‘n all.

              I do love your phrase ” usual miasma of meaningless verbiage.” though. It really rolls off the tongue and looks very impressive on a page. May I borrow it?

    • Thanks for that aom. I always liked Rolling Stone:
      “Young American Jews Have Reached a Tipping Point With Israel
      Many American Jews are finding it difficult to square Israel’s actions in Palestine with their progressive domestic politics”
      ….now I love ’em!

      • Should someone kick off a fundraiser to get the trolls over to help the IDF in the inevitable upcoming war that Israel is fomenting?

        Nah! The Israeli equivalent of a Jihardi bride over at IINZ who was indoctrinated, then went to Israel as a teen to fraternise while being further schooled in the ways of Zionism/Kahanism can deal with it. No doubt she can secure (US/Israeli) funding to add a new dimension to the indoctrination trips she apparently leads to Israel – trips to escort cannon fodder in the form of the propagandist trolls that pollute TDB. They wouldn’t even have to put their of money where their mouths are.

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