Throwing someone in jail for 3years using a law defined by the police is not a liberal progressive democracy no matter how noble the life goals!
The speed and glee with which the Woke are demanding the criminalization of speech means the knock impacts are being ignored.
By giving Police resources and budget, we inadvertently provide incentives for them to create a Stasi.
But what about inadvertently creating more radicalization?
Why has NO ONE asked if this heavy handed over the top approach will actually generate more radicalization?
Won’t we be inadvertently creating a thousand new radical recruits by allowing Woke activists to play out all their revenge fantasies by constantly demanding Police investigate everyone they hate?
We recently saw the woke have a racist dickhead sacked from his job. What happens when that creates a radicalized backlash and pushes desperate people into acts of violence?
Why is everyone so excited about gaining powers that inadvertently cause the very radicalization the woke claim they are fighting?
It’s because this isn’t about social policy, it’s a revenge fantasy for the woke to hurt those they disagree with.
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They, the people who decided that the sinlait guy needed to be removed from society, would have achieved a far better outcome if they had approached guy with open hands and engaged in dialogue with him rather than try to destroy him from the safety of behind their keyboards.
Get to know him, find out why he holds the views he does, debate and challenge him for sure but why seek to destroy his life for all you will do is push him further down the path he is already on.
When has anger and hate EVER achieved a long term positive outcome? There are no real winners here but the status quo, but some are too arrogant to see it or admit it
+1 XstraightXedgeX – stop preaching tolerance and education, when NZ politicians are preaching arrest and jail for thinking the ‘wrong’ thoughts and believing the wrong things. As defined by the power structure in charge of the day.
Totally agree x*x*x
Are they “hate speech” laws, or are they anti-speech laws?
+1 Kheala
+1 Kheala
https://thestandard.org.nz/about-the-hate-speech-law-changes/
Here again is the discussion document:
https://www.justice.govt.nz/assets/Documents/Publications/Incitement-Discussion-Document.pdf
Note, as-is, it includes criticising someone (or whatever) for their political opinions. If anyone cannot see a problem with that, they need more than Spec-savers.
+1 Kheala
I think those into cancel culture don’t/won’t know when to stop and the majority of New Zealanders don’t like being told what to think and do, and also believe in some measure of fairness. Which means there’s going to be a major clash over this which is going to sadly overshadow something which is much more important which is the climate change emergency.
The woke mobs are the new Cultural revolution red army of NZ and joining the Natz Nazi right wingers to create their secret police where you can be arrested and detained for misuse of pronouns or some trivial matter and to also justify mass surveillance in case there is some ‘hate speech’ among the general population.
NZ has found that obsessing about nothing is very cheap news and easier than actually thinking about real problems. The new laws seem to be seeking to prosecute people run by people and organisations pretending to be doing something (and getting paid a lot of money for it) while actually seemingly doing nothing.
Where did the money go for all that surveillance that missed Tarrant when his own gun club were reporting him! Why did the police not check his references in the first place properly. The existing laws are perfectly fine, the problem is that the aftermath didn’t focus on why people don’t do their jobs well any more (police and gun control) and that debate seems to be off the radar!
Existing laws are not the problem with hate speech, it is more a lack of effort and accountability of those running organisations that fail and shift the blame after Tarrant. Investigators are not interested in the truth and stopping terror attack occurring or any public transparency, instead some are seeking to benefit more power from it, and kick start their own red guards totalitarianism movement in NZ.
I for one hope this bites the woke on the arse in the biggest way possible.
I’d love to see the lunatics insisting somebody can be a woman despite having a cock thrown in jail for hate speech, but not for too long because the longer free speech is curtailed, the greater the chances that it will be weaponised for the purposes of fascism at a government level.
Throughout history, the world’s worst fascists have generally risen to power through legitimate means on a wave of raucous popularity only to curtail free speech in order to hold onto power. Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, etc…
Muldoon started showing signs of this quite early on in his leadership and almost completed it after the loss to Lange. Adern has garnered enormous popularity by virtue of the Coronavirus and her obvious personality flaws make her a good candidate to veer towards Muldoon’s path.
She has already shown some terrible personality flaws such as anger at being contradicted and suggesting during the campaign trail that she “never lies”, which is a statement so utterly laughable that it should have turned the entire electorate off her (it did me).
The difference is that she would be far more dangerous due to this popularity.
Hitler was right wing and Fascist (not the same thing), but Mao and Pol Pot (and of course Stalin) were left wing and Communist (also not the same thing). The problem is the totalitarian and authoritarian aspects, which are not confined to either the left or the right.
I agree with XstraightXedgeX…..well said!
We should look to China and arrest and interrogate those spreading false rumours on-line which could also be part of the hate speech new laws. Sarcasm.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chinas-covid-whistleblower-doctor-first-reported-patients-one-year-ago/ar-BB1clHm3
“On December 31, 2019, health authorities in Wuhan first alerted the World Health Organization about a cluster of cases of mysterious pneumonia. However, Li had already sounded the alarm the day before by warning friends and colleagues in a private chat group about seven hospital patients infected with severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).
His private message went viral, and days later Li was summoned and given an official reprimand by the Wuhan Public Security Bureau for “spreading false rumors online.” He was made to sign a statement acknowledging his offense.”
Yes, exactly what Tarrant wanted, but Ardern can’t seem to see that.
Thanks Martin for the insight in this article, and your string support of free speech.
I agree that people can become more radicalised by getting pissed off by unnecessary and unfair (subjective) policies that affect them.
I used to read TDB a bit for a period years ago just to see what the left were thinking, now
I come to The Daily Blog more often to read because it has sensible articles and some good comments.
Love reading Chris Trotter, and other articles like this one.
Thanks again!
Thanks Martin, appreciate the article and your insight.
Yes radicalisation of some dick heads is real if stupid policies affect them.
(posted again because my last comment seemed to dissappear)
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