Oh now the Greens fear ACT ‘has moved to the extreme right’? Really? So why did you give him the ammunition you clowns?

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Greens fear ACT ‘has moved to the extreme right’ over call to abolish ‘hard-left’ Human Rights Commission

Green MP Golriz Ghahraman fears ACT leader David Seymour’s call to abolish the “hard-left” Human Rights Commission “shows how far” the party has “moved to the extreme right”.

Seymour has called for the Human Rights Commission to be abolished before, but doubled down on Thursday after the organisation unveiled its manifesto which includes priorities ACT says “advance a left-wing agenda”. 

It calls for a new hate speech law, the minimum wage to be a living wage, fair pay agreements, two new Human Rights Commissioners for elderly and indigenous people, and to advance recommendations to increase benefit levels. 

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…oh NOW she’s worried ACT are extreme right?

Really?

So why the fuck did the Greens and their woke clown activists enable ACT to gain this power in the first place?

Remember, as I pointed out a thousand fucking times, ACT were a dormant political force RIGHT UP UNTIL the Greens and their woke identity politics clowns handed ACT the free speech ammunition!!!

How many times did I blog that you morons were awaking a political vehicle for the right by trying to strangle off free speech? The LEFT should be the champions of free speech, not the fucking right and the Greens plus their woke clowns, handed him that fucking victory, and the second ACT started registering 2 MPs they became a viable political vehicle for all that frustrated right wing vote.

The Greens  and their woke activist clowns enabled ACT into this monstrous right wing mutation they have become, the total disconnect between ACTs level of support now and how the Greens built them up is unbelievable.

And anyway, this latest call to destroy the Human Rights Commission is the least of their extreme right wing craziness. Did no one in the Greens read ACT’s manifesto? Does it only exist if David Seymour tweets it? Have the Greens become that captured by Twitter that nothing else occurs outside it?

TDB has been pointing out the neoliberal horror of ACT for quite some time.

I thought ACT’s climate change policy was fucking insane and could not be topped for sheer ideological lunacy because it was a fascist romper stomper blitzkrieg of every worst element of the free market set loose on a rapidly warming planet.

The Zero Carbon Bill would be dumped, the Emissions Trading Scheme would be dumped, the ban on new offshore oil and gas exploration permits would be dumped and mining would be allowed on conservation land.

At a time when Siberia is in flames, California is in flames, the earliest and strongest Hurricane measured coming ashore and a pandemic triggered by destruction of the environment – ACT would like to accelerate the pollution that is sparking this acceleration of climate warming events!

But it gets worse.

ACT have looked at the insane lack of capacity that has been glaringly highlighted by the pandemic and  after 35 years of a State amputated by neoliberalism, David’s come up with an unbelievable idea folks.

Let’s slash the State!

David Seymour plots radical overhaul of state, slashing spending over a decade

That’s right. The thing that is barely keeping the plague out because it has been so slashed back by David’s ideological coven, will be EVEN MORE slashed back if ACT are ever allowed anywhere near the levers of political power.

Here is a list of their neoliberal madness

  • Cut and freeze the Minimum wage
  • Interest back on all student loans
  • No Kiwsaver subsidy
  • Cancel winter energy payment
  • Dump all climate crisis legislation
  • no more best start payments for families with new borns
  • cut welfare payments
  • no tax credits for research and development
  • cuts to working for families
  • $7b a year cut in public services
  • Abolish Maori seats

Screw all that because Golriz suddenly NOW thinks ACT are extreme right???

Clearly the Greens live in some magical fantasy world where their counterproductive woke activism never has negative backlash that creates political ramifications later and apparently things only become ‘extreme right’ when their precious bloody Wellington Bureaucrat mates are threatened.

It’s barely 2 weeks since the election and I’m already regretting voting Green.

 

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39 COMMENTS

  1. I’m already regretting voting Green.

    Don’t regret it. For all their faults and weaknesses, we’re going to need them, in both the near and longer term future.

    • Kheala. The Maori Party may be better on environmental issues; as tangata whenua, Maori are part of the historical narrative witnessing how very very quickly, a country was degraded – and by all sorts of people too.

      • We on the ‘Left’ of politics, by which I mean those who care about the wellbeing of everyone, of the poor as much as the wealthy, of the environment more than profits, and of all those who want a more equitable and sustainable AO/ NZ, …we are going to need all the support we can get in 2023.

        By 2023 the mega-corps, the oil companies, the mining companies, and all the exploitative ultra wealthy are likely to be back in force. No longer be distracted by the US election, they will be here to install whoever they want. And they may do that, unless we have grown a base that is wide enough and strong enough to just say, “No”.

        • Yes, but although they might have managed it with Key, they didn’t with Ardern – came spanners in the works – and I also agree with your previous comment elsewhere about living in a state of preparedness for another pandemic/unexpected event, but the psyche of New Zealand may have undergone a major change as a result of the dynamics of the pandemic.

      • Snow White: “…Maori are part of the historical narrative witnessing how very very quickly, a country was degraded – and by all sorts of people too.”

        Indeed. Including themselves, of course. It’s what humans have done, wherever they’ve gone, no matter how long ago.

    • Ah…?
      Consider this idea?
      Eye roll please…
      Since AO/NZ’s primary industry is agrarian and since that agrarian industry has been manipulated, exploited and generally been abused for more than a hundred years by virtually every urban rat since cyphering became a university degree we should ponder the danger The Green party poses to the rats dubious status quo of making money without moving a claw. Just nest-up, sit back and here comes the money, aye boys?
      If the Green Party were to be truly transformative they’d move to woo farmers because as we all know ad nauseam it is the filthy fama dahlings who do the polluting in that most non-Green way now pass the cheeses and where’s my latte waita? Oooh Dahling…? Where did you get that gorgeous woolen singlet?? ”
      If the Green party moo-ved ( A little lite relief there.) to woo the AO/NZ farmer on-side by using the logic of clean, cost effectiveness and common sense to be found in regenerative agriculture for example what would the exploiters in Ponsonby do when their BMW purchasing funds dried up?
      What would all the manipulative mercantile firms do when they stopped selling roundup and all the other awful sprays, chemicals, drenches, perfumes and make ups sheep and cows need daily?
      What would the four foreign banksters do for their multi billion dollar net profits they send off-shore to pudgy foreign hands held out greedily? ” Yeah…nah. Sorry. AO/NZ farmers have gone Green. So no more money for you’s. Sorry an’ that.”
      Has anyone else ever pondered the idea that james shaw and many of his motley crew are there solely to make sure that never, ever happens? That our farmers NEVER EVER go Green.
      Green Farmers might just start asking very awkward questions then of the dodgy as fuck status quo who’ve been bleeding farmers out for generations and that would never do. Aye boys?

  2. Golriz has been a real disappointment. When she got in I was super impressed with her story of ‘refugee made good’ right up to war crimes prosecution. What an exceptional story from what was obviously an exceptional person!! I looked forward to a very real contribution she was going to make to NZ politics. But slowly her backstory changed and she revealed herself as one of the most divisive and offensive MPs I’ve ever known about. When Marama and Golriz stood up at the CHCH shooting memorial and blamed all white NZers for the crime she lost any respect I ever had for her (MD too). The Green Party should have apologised to NZ for that disgraceful display of pure racist arrogance, their failure to do so only proves they support this woke BS. Her legacy so far is stupidity, woke BS, divisiveness, and identity obsession. Looking through Hansard, you can also see many examples of pure hypocrisy in what she says. The saddest thing about her is that she is so lost down the identity rat-hole that she appears to honestly believe that anyone who dislikes her form of identity-obsessed woke politics is only attacking her for misogynist and racist reasons.

    ACT being the only supporter of free speech won them many votes this election, even from many people who did not like many of their other policies. Golriz is doing a great job of proving these voters made the right choice. I for one will never vote Green again while this kind of person represents them.

    • Thanks Ben. Yes, that evening that the brown Green women blamed white New Zealanders for the tragic mosque massacres, and told the traumatised bereaved Muslim community that white people hate everybody else, that was the night that I jettisoned the Greens.

      Even worse was the fact that it was members of the New Zealand Parliament, supposed leaders, trying to turn New Zealanders against each other, and using lies from the Donald Trump playbook. It was so bad, that I have since wondered what other agenda is actually going on. I can’t trust them.

      It also showed the Greens exclusivity, and their detachment from the day-to-day social functioning of the community at every single level, that they appear to be so totally deluded.

      I would love to name a wonderful Ngapuhi woman who died several weeks ago, who leaves a gap in my life which time will never fill. I rethink our times together as a source of comfort, but slightly shattered, realising that in the twisted mythology of the Greens, the long friendship which I was fortunate to enjoy, was not possible.

      They are delusional, and as such, are a menace.

      Unfortunately, playing the victim seems to be a global political tool now, and it is destructive.

    • Thanks Ben. Yes, that evening that the brown Green women blamed white New Zealanders for the tragic mosque massacres, and told the traumatised bereaved Muslim community that white people hate everybody else, that was the night that I jettisoned the Greens.

      Even worse was the fact that it was members of the New Zealand Parliament, supposed leaders, trying to turn New Zealanders against each other, and using lies from the Donald Trump playbook. It was so bad, that I have since wondered what other agenda is actually going on. I can’t trust them.

      It also showed the Greens exclusivity, and their detachment from the day-to-day social functioning of the community at every single level, that they appear to be so totally deluded.

      I would love to name a wonderful Ngapuhi woman who died several weeks ago, who leaves a gap in my life which time will never fill. I rethink our times together as a source of comfort, but slightly shattered, realising that in the twisted mythology of the Greens, the long friendship which I was fortunate to enjoy, was not possible.

      They are delusional, and as such, are a menace.

      Unfortunately, playing the victim seems to be a global political tool now, and it is destructive.

      • Snow White: “Even worse was the fact that it was members of the New Zealand Parliament, supposed leaders, trying to turn New Zealanders against each other…”

        Yes indeed. I’ve agreed with you and others about this previously on other comment threads. Utterly foul behaviour, from people who should know better. And most disturbing that they appear to see nothing exceptionable about what they said and did.

        It bespeaks pent-up jealousy of, and resentment against, white people, who’ve done nothing to hurt them (and in Gharahman’s case, given her and her family shelter) but who’ve worked hard and paid the taxes which support them.

        I remain astonished at the level of electoral support the Greens got at the election, given the shameful behaviour of those women last year.

        A relative thinks that it was because of the weed issue. In my view, all those who voted Green for that reason might just as well have voted National, for all the good it did them. Lots of fine talk about popular support for legalisation: clearly there isn’t.

    • Looking at Nice now, I wonder if Marama and Golriz have put white New Zealander’s at risk from attack by
      disturbed Muslim extremists who may not know the truth about the terrible tragedy in Christchurch, but heard only that a NZ political party leader stated that local white supremacists were to blame ? Thanks girls.

    • Ben Waimata: “Golriz has been a real disappointment.”

      Indeed. It became clear very early on that she wasn’t going to live up to expectations. This incident was one of the first indications:
      https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/98328741/national-front-members-chased-away-from-parliament

      The fact that this is a REPRESENTATIVE democracy has, it seems, escaped her notice. No matter how much she disagrees with the National Front, they’re citizens and therefore entitled to forgather at parliament.

      A young relative said the following about her: “That damned Iranian woman: she should be sent back there, because if she were an actual refugee she’d have gratitude to the place that accepted her. The only reason I’d hesitate to boot her is that Iran doesn’t deserve to have her inflicted on them again. Perhaps Canada could take her off our hands.”

      And that’s from a NZer who’s more or less in her age cohort.

      My response to the Canada suggestion: “Hahahaha….that sounds like a plan! Canada is a woke hellhole: it deserves her.”

      “When Marama and Golriz stood up at the CHCH shooting memorial and blamed all white NZers for the crime she lost any respect I ever had for her (MD too).”

      Yup. Me too. I remain astonished that the Greens got as big a percentage of the party vote as they did, after those egregiously awful statements. By rights they ought to have been out of parliament on their ear. The only conclusion I can come to is that for voters it was the triumph of hope over experience (Oscar Wilde, was it, who said that? About second marriages, I believe).

      “ACT being the only supporter of free speech won them many votes this election, even from many people who did not like many of their other policies.”

      Yup. And I’m one of them. I strongly disagree with much of ACT’S policy platform, but I like its stance on free speech. And – curiously for me as an old lefty – the gun issue.

      “Golriz is doing a great job of proving these voters made the right choice. I for one will never vote Green again while this kind of person represents them.”

      The Greens lost me before that Gharahman woman came to parliament. Her performance has provided confirmation that I’d made the right electoral choice.

  3. I read Golriz’ utterings today that it was hypocritical of ACT calling to shut down the HRC because of free speech.
    No hypocrisy of course in Golriz legally defending genocidal mass murderers as a previous job.

    I agree with you also in that the woke bullshit mainly from the greens is what is sadly beginning the polarizing of our politics -as is Labour/greens denying due process on draconian gun law, a lot of ACTs vote comes from this.

    Where are the Rod Donalds and the Jeanette Fitzsimmons who could unite us to do the things we need to do instead of putting us at each other’s throats?

    • I would be very interested to know what Rod Donald and Jeanette Fitzsimmons would have thought of the gun law changes. Those of us who have relied on semi auto rifles for pest control to save our unique ecology and biodiversity know how damaging this law change will be to our ecology as the only practical tool for humanely culling multiple targets in a shot time window is now illegal. I suspect both Rod and Jeanette would have strongly rejected the firearms law process, being able to see the unintended ecological damage that would result. Good law is never achieved by rushing things through in high emotion. The initial OIC moving all semi auto rifles to E category had already achieved the intended goal, the proper democratic process should then have been followed, not some bs rush to prove NZ could ban rifles faster than Australia did in 1996. It appeared to be all about how we looked on the international stage (ludicrous, as it turns out), rather than making good law. The changes alienated a lot of law abiding people, which is never a good thing.

        • That’s a dumb way to work isn’t it bert.
          Considering 1% of gun crime is committed by licensed gun owners.
          But 70% of gun crime in nz is committed by Maori and Pacific
          islanders, almost all unlicensed.
          Does that mean they are all criminals waiting to happen?
          Are all men rapists?
          You have the bigoted logic of a green supporter.

          • “That’s a dumb way to work isn’t it Bert.”

            It is true, regardless.

            Look at USA if you want to see where saturating society with firearms leads.

            • Richard, it’s a shame people continually look at America then relate their issues to us. Regarding firearms, the only people talking about unregulated access to firearms in NZ are the anti-gun lobby creating a straw man argument. The various NZ shooting groups had been pushing for much stricter regulations and far less lenient sentencing for firearms crimes for years before CHCH. In my case I had the E category endorsement for semi autos for pest control, the police vetting for this was actually higher than that required for serving police officers (yes those NZ cops with rifles you see here have lower vetting than I had). You will not find any NZ shooting group pushing for general arming of the population or second amendment type firearms rights, we want very strict but workable laws based on actual recognised best practice, rather than some of the recent changes which echo ideological laws which have been proven to not work in other countries. Ironically NZ had one of the internationally recognised best practice firearms laws before the change, the issue was in the police diverting funds away from proper implementation of them, with disastrous results…. We are the first country to blame and punish our own citizens for an attack by a foreign terrorist. Aided and abetted by our woke friends Golriz and Marama.

              The firearms agenda in NZ has been taken over by scaremongering not based on evidence. We had a horrible tragic shooting, by a foreigner who visited some very dodgy places, before coming here and living in extremist chatrooms, utilising firearms law loopholes (which shooters had been telling the police a out for years!!!) to buy dangerous rifles, illegal magazines, and masses of ammunition. It was a massive security systems failure. Did we put more security screening on immigrants? Did we consider banning foreigners from owning firearms? Did we ban the internet to stop radicalisation online? No to all of that, because banning firearms is the ideologically correct result, despite the fact that all the other elements creating the situation are still in place, and the next terrorist may well do the same thing using a truck or bomb, with much higher fatalities.

              We have not stopped potential terrorist attacks, gang violence, or domestic abuse, but we have taken away the most practical method for controlling the massively increasing feral pest population that is munching through our unique biodiversity. The only practical option left is massive increase in poisoning, which has huge ecological consequences itself. I consider it a massive fail. But hey I’m just a peasant tree-hugging organic farmer and no one listens to me anyway.

          • Are you trying to justify murder with rape. A long bow to draw Keepa? Dumbing down the fact that any gun( we are talking guns,nothing else) has the potential to kill. Your argument about unlicensed owners is completely irrelevant. The gun doesn’t know its unlicensed.
            Keep up with the insults though because then we know your comments aren’t very well thought out.

            • All knives have potential to kill, all blunt objects too.
              I’m hoping you know gun deaths in NZ are well behind both of those.
              You probably didn’t.

  4. Act are trying to stay relevant. They can sit in the back benches and squawk. See more might as well enjoy the company cause they will all be gone at the next election. As for his deputy she got 600 and a bit votes not exactly an overwhelming mandate.

  5. Been observing the Greens behaviour since their hysterical reactions on Election night.

    From acting as if they’d won the bloody election (they obviously couldn’t work out from the pretty graphics on TV that Labour can/could govern alone), to reverting to self and resorting to identity politics (well done Mr Menedez March – great way to get buy-in to your beliefs), to Golriz’s stunning conclusion that ACT are hard right (hold the phone – you don’t mean the political party founded by R Douglas himself? Surely not!).

    If Labour have any political sense, they will distance themselves from these clowns as much as possible.
    At least until they work out they’re not just angry voices on Twitter any more, but sitting MPs.

    It’s such a shame that some of the most important, progressive policies we need as a country are in the hands of these chumps.
    Our real enemies are laughing, as they count their billions and continue ecocide and unrelenting class warfare.

    Sweet baby cheeses.

    • Yes now we see why Winston was not happy about greens as they are very unnstable since thse young lot all radical had pushed out the older mature MP’s of Kennedy Graham, David Glendon, Kevin Hague, and lastly Gareth Huges.

      So they are now very unstale sadly for all those senior MP they lost.

  6. ‘Woke’, identity politics and the free speech thing — something over there going on but I don’t comprehend it. It’s all the return to social democracy for me.

    • sumsuch. I don’t comprehend it either, but know at least one person who simplistically thinks cutting benefits payments will get Bill English’s army of the lazy out into the workforce. The pernicious influence of the Key/English duo over a wide spectrum of life in New Zealand, cannot be over estimated. Those two ratbags were no more capable of representing either New Zealand – which they sold off – or New Zealanders – who they sold out – than the green Greens, hell bent on turning us all against each other.

      I’ve assumed that Davidson’s determination to demonise Pakeha, is a not very bright female, blaming contemporary white Kiwis for historical grievances with which they may not be even remotely connected.
      Ricardo’s attack of the vapours upon seeing pictures of white men up in Parliament, can’t be dismissed as the theatre of the absurd if he is now part of the law making process.

      Davidson’s ignorance of history has always annoyed me, but if it is Green Party policy to attribute shit happening to skin colour, then I’m calling them out for being racist.

      • When MPs say this ,you could ask why are you there? The money is alright, isn’t it? Greens have no credibility. No more than Seymour for me.

  7. The assault on free speech is international, and is very sinister.

    ‘Glenn Greenwald Resigns From The Intercept After Editors Refuse To Publish Biden Criticism’

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/glenn-greenwald-resigns-intercept-after-editors-refused-publish-biden-criticism

    Couple censorship with blatant persecution of truth-tellers such as Assange and we see that we are living in very dangerous, very nasty political times.

    And the global environmental that facilitated the establishment and development of civilisation is collapsing, largely because of censorship and manipulation of the narrative by the BAU mob, but also because the Greens (and their equivalents elsewhere) have failed abysmally to highlight what matters and have spent so much time and energy promoting trivial nonsense.

    As for ACT, well we should be calling them what they really are: Orcs (as per LOTR; and add National to that category).

  8. Everyone should be opposing ACTs plans re HRC, and its entire hardline capitalist policy in fact.

    Singling out the Greens for alleged “identity crimes“ seems a waste of time when there is so much other political work to do.

    • Agree Tiger Mountain. Also to; Covid is pa, above that ACT is grasping for relevance in opposition.
      I assume that the Greens’ involvement in the Massey speech cancellation was mostly on Twitter? Which I avoid. Can’t recall any official party announcements about it anyway.

  9. Any party that ruthlessly goes full identity politics just give ammunition to the right wing parties…

    Look at UK Labour….
    UK Labour Party suspends former leader Jeremy Corbyn after release of report on anti-Semitism
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300145471/uk-labour-party-suspends-former-leader-jeremy-corbyn-after-release-of-report-on-antisemitism

    Human rights lawyers and commissions also seem to have a lot to be desired and part of the problem now. It was better when the message was everybody is equal, instead of the woke message is that everyone is racist apart from woke puritans and race itself being used to subjugate other races aka Zionism vs Palestinians. This soon merges into, anyone supporting the powerless (Palestinians) is now persecuted by powerful woke led witch hunts.

  10. You voted greenland yet call us morons?
    What a fucking joke.
    The Greens have been a bunch of woke losers for the longest time but your hate and loathing for the right meant you blocked your nose and voted green anyway.

  11. Poor Golriz, it must be so hard for her being forced to live in this racist country of ours. And let’s face it, NZ’s a pretty dull place – no stonings, no fatwas. The best she can hope for is some woke comedy from her hubby.

    I wonder if we should start a GiveaLittle page to raise Golriz’s airfare back to Iran. I bet we’d get the money pretty quick. I pledge $50 – who else is in?

  12. Your bullet point list of ACT’s neoliberal “madness” perfectly sums up the reasons that I voted for them! Their policy is music to my ears. Chris Ballie is my favourite new ACT MP, I like his climate change skeptic views. Thank you very much greens, I’ve been supporting ACT for years through their bad election results, but after this election I now feel vindicated.

  13. I have a lot of respect for Golriz, and to me, the bully-boy beat ups of her are just that, ugly, stupid bullying. Her words and thoughts are clear, incisive and often courageous. I am thankful she is still representing us, and speaking truths that some find uncomfortable, and/ or choose to take offence at.

  14. “Green MP Golriz Ghahraman fears ACT leader David Seymour’s call to abolish the “hard-left” Human Rights Commission “shows how far” the party has “moved to the extreme right”.”

    Good grief…once again, Gharahman demonstrates how little she understands contemporary political issues.

    It is the HRC which is sliding into right-wingery. The stuff about hate speech is censorship, pure and simple. If we’re slinging epithets around, I’d characterise this as dangerously close to fascism. As to the rest of its so-called “manifesto”, the aims are variably laudable, but within the remit of the government, surely?

    Though it isn’t clear to me why NZ needs commissioners for the elderly and indigenous people.

    “….the neoliberal horror of ACT….”

    I’m an old lefty. That’s exactly how I’d characterise the current government. To boot, Ardern is a Blairite. I most certainly do not agree with all of ACT’s policies, but I rate highly its stance on free speech.

    In addition, its mental health policy was praised on this blogsite, no less. I agree with that as well.

    I also agree with Seymour’s call to disestablish the HRC, though obviously not for the same reasons.

    Defence of free speech used to be in the purview of the left wing. What the hell went wrong?

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