The surreal madness of mocking Jacinda for Russian spies


I feel like this is some sort of surreal dream.

PM’s spy comments make NZ ‘a laughing stock’

New Zealand is now the only member of the Five Eyes alliance not to take action against Russia over the nerve agent attack on a former Russian spy and his daughter.

In the past two days countries including Canada, Australia, the US, and EU and eastern European nations joined the UK in expelling dozens of Russian diplomats and declared intelligence staff.

Ms Ardern told Morning Report yesterday she has checked and New Zealand does not “have Russian undeclared intelligence officers here”.

“If we did, we would expel them,” she said.

International media have poked fun at New Zealand over the statement.

Jacinda is getting shit over Russian Spies not being here, yet the fucking National Party had a God damned Chinese Spy in their fucking Caucus & our media pretty much ignore it as a story!

The double standards of our media are deeply disturbing so far this year. The grotesque underfunding of our country by National is the story, the NZDF lying to our faces over war crimes is the story, the Government getting burnt for $90 000 by the Human Rights Review Tribunal over privacy breaches in the Kim Dotcom case is the story. Mouldy run down Hospitals that are leaking raw sewage into the walls is the story yet what does the media focus on? A cricket scandal, Claire Curran’s coffee dates and blind alpacas!

This is a kind of insanity.

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  1. Why should NZ expel Russian diplomats? There is no evidence that the Russians carried out the Salisbury poisoning. The politicians and the media (including everyones fave Radio NZ) are showing their true colours here and that is complete servitude to NATO/Washington/London and the degenerates that hold power there. They are desperate to denigrate Russia and Putin.
    We have seen it all before with the egregious Litvinenko affair debunked here .

    This morning Radio NZ is doing its level best to try and humiliate Jacinda into taking more extreme unfair actions against Russia on the grounds that we have not done as much as our Five Eyes allies. I am beginning to believe they are part of a mockingbird media program

    For an alternative view on the current bullshit emanating from the UK
    from someone who has actually done some research unlike the NZ media.

    • An argent request should have been sent to the wonderful Boris Johnson. Requesting if blood samples had been sent to Moscow for confirmation. We really don’t owe any one anything.

  2. Theresa May was in deep trouble politically over her government’s inept handling of Brexit and internal divisions within the Tory Party, so she grabbed this issue with both hands when it provided her with a “get out of jail free” card. The practice of expelling Russian diplomats to distract voters’ attention away from domestic issues is an old one in the UK – there’s even a “Yes Prime Minister” episode where government does exactly that (S02E02).

    That Jacinda and Winston didn’t play the game to enhance May’s unwarranted prestige is to their credit. The hypocritical grandstanding of other countries over this issue was embarrassing and I’m certain J & W’s call will prove to be the right one in the long run.

    As for the Chinese spy in our previous government and current parliament, it seems no-one cares. Since the last mob practically made NZ a colony of China anyway, most people seem to be either resigned to the fact or actively working for our new Chinese Communist Party masters in the hopes they’ll be able to enrich themselves in the process.

  3. +100…this is interesting:

    ‘The Novichok Story Is Indeed Another Iraqi WMD Scam ‘

    “As recently as 2016 Dr Robin Black, Head of the Detection Laboratory at the UK’s only chemical weapons facility at Porton Down, a former colleague of Dr David Kelly, published in an extremely prestigious scientific journal that the evidence for the existence of Novichoks was scant and their composition unknown…

    To summarise:

    1) Porton Down has acknowledged in publications it has never seen any Russian “novichoks”. The UK government has absolutely no “fingerprint” information such as impurities that can safely attribute this substance to Russia.

    2) Until now, neither Porton Down nor the world’s experts at the Organisation for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) were convinced “Novichoks” even exist.

    3) The UK is refusing to provide a sample to the OPCW.

    4) “Novichoks” were specifically designed to be able to be manufactured from common ingredients on any scientific bench. The Americans dismantled and studied the facility that allegedly developed them. It is completely untrue only the Russians could make them, if anybody can.

    5) The “Novichok” programme was in Uzbekistan not in Russia. Its legacy was inherited by the Americans during their alliance with Karimov, not by the Russians.

    ( New Zealand should resist , as Helen Clark did, getting caught up in another witch hunt…Let the war crime illegitimate invasion and human tragedy of Iraq on trumped up false accusations of Weapons of Mass Destruction be a warning!)

  4. It looks like we are expected to jump to our pommy masters some people seem to have short memories. Blair said there was weapons of mass destruction and these so called weapons were never found. Yet this was his justification for the Iraq invasion. When I reckon they just wanted their oil. Now we have to be seen to be doing what others have done by kicking Russian out of our country never mind if they have spied or not or whether we know they have spied, just do it. Now we have a do it or else threat hanging over us. All this coming from a country that ditched us for the EU.

  5. It is embarrassing, it’s embarrassing that even after Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan our media still view the world through the same lens they always have.

    I do not recall the same type of media coverage when Brady’s report was released nor has there been any follow up to the break ins at her house afterwards.

    The world is changing and is most likely about to change a lot in the next few years as the American empire begins to crumble. You would never know this from the headlines in this country.

    Also, who helped prep Sepuloni for the AM show this morning? It was easy to see what attack lines Collins would run and yet she did not seem prepared for it.

  6. 1. Due process has been completely ignored by the U.K.
    2.Russia is guilty until it proves it is innocent.
    3. The evidence at the moment is not of a nature that would get a shoplifter convicted for palming a loaf of bread.
    4.The evidence for the U.S, France, Germany, and the rest of the U.S. Empire vassals is “The UK said so and we have every confidence in the U.K.[Like the evidence for Russia doing everything sinister that happens on the Planet including meddling in the U.S. election.]
    5.For Russia to have carried out the alleged assassination attempt using an agent that would inevitably have it fingered as the culprit is insane.Ask yourself, which countries have been doing insane things for the last 20 years in particular?
    6.Why would Russia do it just before its election and soccer World cup?
    7.Who benefits ? Western Civilization benefits.The U.S. Empire is collapsing under the weight of its endemic corruption.Its vassals the E.U. are crumbling for the same reason.Their economies are teetering. Inequality is growing. The hegemony of the U.S. Empire and the Europeans over the world is threatened. By whom? Russia and China. So you do what all regimes do in this situation. You invent an enemy to take the minds of your gormless brainwashed subjects off their ever falling standard of Living.And the beauty of this tactic is that it always works!
    Some of you will find this scenario depressing.To be quite honest it makes a bottle of a good red wine more alluring to me !
    Having said that,on the other hand it highlights the death of the Neo-Liberal experiment.I have every faith that this madness will eventually lead to a Socialist Reset.[assuming we survive this insanity].
    So, bring it on!!!

  7. I am utterly indifferent to expelling Russians because the old world says we should. The UK couldn’t give a shit about us.

    And because Jacinda didn’t play the game she is mocked and therefore publically punished. Good on her, you be yourself and rise above the sewer that is the stale, ruinous brand of Western culture politics that is so well practised by National Party and its supporters!

    So at the end of this fortnight really what is this, just the latest effort to try and undermine her government. It is very dark arts that long-term leads to breakdown and conflict. She and her style is a threat to everything the elite hold dear!

    The young Labour camp issue was not well handled publically by the organisers but I would take Louise Nicholas’s advice over anyone else’s in this department and that was the advice she gave.

    And I really have to wonder at the Green Party and what its ex-corporate hero/leader are up to. Are they really just buffoons or is there something more at play.

    Then the Radio NZ thing. After 9 years of total dishonesty from the government from the rotten head down, Carol Hirschfeld not fully disclosing the circumstances of her meeting with the broadcasting minister was a hanging offence in their eyes, whatever. Hirschfeld was a threat, nothing less.

    Even Matthew Whitehead, whoever he is, in the Standard, was straight on to the keyboard wanting Curren sacked. What the fuck would he/they know???

    Then we get Hooten wanking on about Jacinda in crisis after crisis. Now there’s a surprise, a man whose purpose in life is to manufacture perceptions and then pretend they are the truth. How he sleeps at night is one of the great wonders of the world. And all the Herald have done by taking this turd on is alienate their dwindling readership even further.

    There is a very careful concerted effort to undermine then destabilise this government from vested interests in leaving everything the way they are.

    The days of Whitlam and Pinochet may be gone but there is more than one way of skinning a cat.

    Again Adern should be herself, her refreshing style of politics is thankfully far above the rest of the scum.

  8. The other scandal the media has largely overlooked in the media is the IPCA ruling the sham alcohol roadblock targeting euthanasia supporters was illegal. Not only that but we are asked to believe nine officers (including two very senior ones) didn’t understand the law. Or that illegal roadblocks are so common no one thought to question it.

  9. “All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.”

    ― Friedrich Nietzsche

  10. I have a doubt

    I do not think that Russia will accept the blame for an unproven, murder attempt by using and unkown chemical means – just because Tessa May says so.

    After all, Tessa and her bunch of wealthy layabouts cannot get on with anybody in the known world. They are superior to any other living thing on the planet and beyond.

    They are the most devastating gang that ever walked this earth. They ravaged and savaged over 90 Colonies. The Bastards. And never so much as an apology.

    Russia is a Doll – compared to anything the Brits are. Ask Europe.

  11. Yup, agreed Tokoroa, Putin is not the beast the media makes out, nor Trump actually, but that’s just my opinion. Our Right leaning media corps are the wankers that need a good dicking. This freedom of speech just lets these scumbags of the hook, must be close to treason not covering
    real events that screw the people. Somehow we have to get these arseholes out of business, that’s a priority me thinks.

  12. So right.. All the Brits have is “It was invented in Russia”.. They were working on it themselves in a lab only 7km from where the poisoning happened.. If that reasoning is used then Germany is responsible for all the sarin gas attacks that have happened

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