Kennedy Graham & David Clendon can not be allowed back into the Party

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You don’t get to pull the suicide bomber stance they took by publicly resigning and then try to come back in.

No! No! No!

Graham, who withdrew as a candidate in protest against former co-leader Metiria Turei, has asked to be returned to the party list now that Turei has stood down as leader.

Shaw said it was up to the party’s executive whether his request was approved and the party needed to follow proper process.

Kennedy Graham & David Clendon can not be allowed back into the Party. They betrayed the Party, they betrayed the leadership and the betrayed the kaupapa.

You don’t get to pull the suicide bomber stance they took by publicly resigning and then try to come back in.

There are no second chance for political traitors.

You made your bed Kennedy, you lie in it now.

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35 Comments

  1. Michal says:

    Absolutely as a member I have emailed the executive. No one wants these people, they have betrayed us.

  2. Jenny May says:

    Agreed. If they had a problem they should have aired it in house.

  3. Louis says:

    Well put Martyn. These traitors have no right to ask in the first place.

  4. No. Fucking. Way.

    It would be the final humiliation for Metiria Turei.

    It would be the ultimate insult to all those members and supporters who have been galvanised to work hard for the Green Party.

    It would be a reward for venal back-stabbing.

    That is not why I will be out this weekend helping with billboarding, leafletting, door-knocking, whatever it takes.

    No. Fucking Way.

    • Geoff Lye says:

      Agree 100% Frank it would be the ultimate disgrace.
      Also a giant sized slap in the face for all the members who stood behind Metiria.

  5. Red Buzzard says:

    imo the Greens will lose voters if they don’t bring them back

    …as far as I can see Metiria resigned because her family did not agree with her and the polls went down…she did not resign because of Graham and Clendon

    …also if they are banned then TOP may be the winner and the Greens may be fatally fractured

    • NZ First can have them.

      Hell, I’ll throw in a bottle of Canadian Club whiskey as a ‘sweetener’ for Winston. What could possibly go wrong?!

      • Red Buzzard says:

        Be careful what you wish for…Both Labour and NZF have good environmental policies as well as TOP so voters have a choice if they are primarily concerned about the natural environment and climate change

        …and maybe Metiria could go to Mana Party eventually, if not back to the Greens ( it all seems so wasteful of talent and experience)

        http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/201854149/metiria-turei-resigns-as-green-party-co-leader

        http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/policies

        • …and maybe Metiria could go to Mana Party eventually

          Now that’s an interesting proposition, RB…

          • John W says:

            Mana could rebuild after their Leader was shafted by Labour, but it many take more than help from Metiria.

            What other party represents the downtrodden better.

        • esoteric pineapples says:

          “NZ First have good environmental policies” – really?

          Ron Mark in the Wairarapa is totally for a dam in the region that will totally f…k its rivers and acquifiers.

          • Red Buzzard says:

            links?…cant find any to support your assertion

            https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/07/13/strange-rumblings-in-carterton-reflections-on-spending-my-weekend-campaigning-for-ron-mark/

            Generally NZF does have good environmental policies…which are surprise surprise for New Zealand first and New Zealanders first …not corporate control of New Zealand assets or overseas people buying up New Zealand and depriving New Zealanders of their natural and sovereign rights

            ( Meteria named this ‘racism’ and accused NZF of ‘racism’ and Labour’s concern about the buying up of scarce unaffordable Auckland housing by foreigners as ‘crude racial profiling’…I guess she is a trendy internationalist; but how does this help New Zealand’s poorest if they cant afford scarce highly priced housing/health care/education/transport/electricity?… and how does it help New Zealand’s environment?…other countries do not allow this, in particular the countries from which these people and businesses come from and which have had their own natural environments trashed)

            NZF on transport , electricity, environment and conservation, water , state owned assets, immigration , housing…

            http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/policies

            ….NZF is not for corporate or overseas ownership of NZ assets ( eg export of water) and flooding the country with new immigrants buying up cheaply NZ land and precious resources and housing…

          • Red Buzzard says:

            links? evidence?

            • Sam Sam says:

              Yeah well business is pulling out of regional New Zealand and the government can barley keep business afloat in cities with going into hock. We still have rescission proof areas in New Zealand. So if it’s the point to wrape the top 10% in cotton wool then what’s the point in having infrastructure for the many. The haves and the haves nots are drifting apart and accelerating. And I’m not sure excluding Winston is going to bring them back together,

    • aom says:

      Oh FFS – they will lose votes if they bring Graham and Clendon back? No-one of substance pulls the sort of stunt they did then gets back to sitting at the table. As for Metiria losing votes, she pulled up about 5% wasn’t it, by fronting effectively in the first place for the State abused. If that gain is discounted, Labour has pirated a greater proportion of NZF’s vote in the latest polls.

  6. John W says:

    Kennedy going will be a loss.

    The question is do we want good policy well backed with an astute understanding of where we are heading or are we going to be embroiled in squabbles and lose effective leaders in policy matters.

    Personality politics is encouraged by MSM who control election with that tool.

  7. Historian Pete says:

    Let the hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders living in poverty decide, especially those living in the Takanini carpark.These are the people these weasels betrayed with their ignoble pseudo stance on principle , at the expense of the poor. They are now scrabbling to recover their salaries which will soon terminate. Caesar’s assassins all perished in ignominy. Let there be a similar fate for these vile turncoats !!

  8. Samwise says:

    Kennedy graham cannot be allowed to return. It would be the death of the Greens in NZ. No, no, no, a thousand times no!if he returns, I’ll be voting Labour!!!

    • Red Buzzard says:

      good…it is people like you who turn people off the Greens

      • Red Buzzard says:

        I might add I have been a Green supporter/financial and otherwise since Rod Donald

      • Micko says:

        I agree they cannot be re-admitted. They should have made their protest before she made the speech.

        Shaw has admitted it was a “high risk” strategy, yet they went along with it, only resigning when the fallout started raining down. Hypocrisy.

        For the life of me I can’t see what real, political advantage Turei thought would accrue from her admission. I would have been arguing that the risks outweighed the potential advantage by orders of magnitude.

        • John W says:

          Meturia and others are aware that the NACT dirt machine hold information to be used at the most effective time for their ends.

          She may well have been aware that two accusations would be potentially more damaging than her admissions. She gained the moral high ground in any respects, but not for those who wish to see the Greens crushed.

      • Micko says:

        How is it good that an elector is put off voting green?
        Just like Turei, Graham and Clendon have made their bed, and must now lie in it. Turei was foolish but they were disloyal, a worse crime, IMO.

  9. Penny Bright says:

    To be fair – politically I’ve known Kennedy Graham and David Clendon
    for some years, and IMO they are decent people.

    I also know who has put years of grass roots political activism into promoting and defending the poor and beneficiaries, as a (former) Green MP (and earlier).

    Sue Bradford.

    Here is Kennedy Graham and David Clendon’s ‘side of the story’:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11899846

    ‘LYING CAN NEVER BE CONDONED’

    The two men explained their reasons for resigning in a joint statement.

    “We do not believe that lying to a public agency – Winz, IRD or any other – can ever be condoned.”

    They said civil disobedience was sometimes justified, but this should be limited to “fundamental breaches of human rights” such as torture, genocide or apartheid.

    “It does not stretch to the adequacy of an income benefit,” they said.

    They added: “The timing by Metiria of her admissions, and her continuing justification of her actions, we see as incompatible with the standards of leadership of the Green Party.”

    Graham and Clendon called for the party to appoint a new female co-leader for the election.

    “As long as Metiria remains co-leader of the party we are unable to support the Green campaign for the 2017 election.”

    IMO – it’s now time politically to change the political focus and spotlight from ‘social’ welfare – to CORPORATE welfare and CORRUPTION – where National are VERY vulnerable…

    #SeekTruthFromFacts
    #ChangeTheGovernment

    Penny Bright

    2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki.

    Exposing the $1.6 BILLION Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM

    • Red Buzzard says:

      +100…good points PENNY…and thanks for giving their position (they also have been ganged up on)…a position many former Green voters and undecided would agree with imo

  10. Penny Bright says:

    To be fair – politically I’ve known Kennedy Graham and David Clendon
    for some years, and IMO they are decent people.

    I also know who has put years of grass roots political activism into promoting and defending the poor and beneficiaries, as a (former) Green MP (and earlier).

    Sue Bradford.

    Here is Kennedy Graham and David Clendon’s ‘side of the story’:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11899846

    ‘LYING CAN NEVER BE CONDONED’

    The two men explained their reasons for resigning in a joint statement.

    “We do not believe that lying to a public agency – Winz, IRD or any other – can ever be condoned.”

    They said civil disobedience was sometimes justified, but this should be limited to “fundamental breaches of human rights” such as torture, genocide or apartheid.

    “It does not stretch to the adequacy of an income benefit,” they said.

    They added: “The timing by Metiria of her admissions, and her continuing justification of her actions, we see as incompatible with the standards of leadership of the Green Party.”

    Graham and Clendon called for the party to appoint a new female co-leader for the election.

    “As long as Metiria remains co-leader of the party we are unable to support the Green campaign for the 2017 election.”

    IMO – it’s now time politically to change the political focus and spotlight from ‘social’ welfare – to CORPORATE welfare and CORRUPTION – where National are VERY vulnerable…

    #SeekTruthFromFacts
    #ChangeTheGovernment

    Penny Bright

    2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki.

    Exposing the $1.6 BILLION Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM

    • “We do not believe that lying to a public agency – Winz, IRD or any other – can ever be condoned.”

      They should tell that to the faces of families living in garages; unable to buy healthy food; sending their kids to school without shoes…

      Let me re-post this, for the millionth bloody time;

      “Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well- warmed, and well-fed.”
      ― Herman Melville

      As for Clendon and Graham saying that “civil disobedience was sometimes justified, but this should be limited to “fundamental breaches of human rights” such as torture, genocide or apartheid” – bollocks to that.

      If we have to wait until the poor are dying in the streets before “civil disobedience is justified”, then their so-called principles are a price too high to pay.

      Oh, wait… my mistake, Penny. Homeless people are already dying in our streets.

      But Clendon and Graham can rest easy. They have warm beds tonight.

      Fuck them. And fuck their “principles”.

      #IstandwithMetiria

  11. Stuart Munro says:

    The Greens have robust democratic processes and can decide for themselves. Shaw has distanced himself from calls to throw them out because it’s not a top down organization and thus by no means only his decision. The Green mill grinds slowly but exceedingly fine – the members will make the right decision whatever that may be.

  12. Barry says:

    The way the Greens have been behaving with regards to Metiria public admissions and resignation has been pretty amateurish and nasty.Plenty of knee jerk reactions that only confirms the criticisms leveled against the Greens by the media and opponents.
    What I thought was a well run, stable political party, in reality seems to be more than capable of being as fractious, combative and vindictive as the other political parties.
    It’s not just the party that has displayed a less than unified and civil demeanour ,some of the comments of Green supporters are disappointing ,especially the obscene and abusive,
    I watched the interview of Kennedy and David and felt their reasons for resigning were justified in order to be true to themselves and what they believe the Greens stand for, transparency and honesty.
    I feel they should be welcomed back,there’s still time to make an impact on the upcoming election.
    Yes,I have voted for the Greens in the last two elections and fairly sure I will vote Greens this election as well,so hopefully I won’t be called a c- -t or an illiterate shit for my comments as some contributors have been subjected too.

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