The real reason 5 Eyes are meeting in Queenstown

1. What is never investigated and discussed is how the information collected is used. It is used to discredit, distrust and destroy the lives of innocent people who are seen as a potential threats to industry or foreign relations. Those “threats” can be as little as getting involved in inter-cultural organizations and then someone connected – to temporary visa scams, for example – disliking them. For that they can have their lives ended, essentially. Fired, smeared, disrupted, sent int unemployment and poverty.

   • I’m pretty sure the sigint functions help to compile the “kill list” that Obama instituted. Every Tuesday he signed off on those to be killed.
     Based on their communications with what the US deems to be terrorists.
     Some journalists found themselves on the list, and there are two suing Trump at present because they are on a kill list compiled by the Obama administration
     Key admitted that our collection of metadata contributed to the drone program in May 2014
     Obama was bad enough, 10x more droning than Bush,with the attendant wedding party slaughters and killing of children, but now Trump has given the CIA total discretion to drone who ever they like
     Do we want to be part of this?

     • Obama went the furtherest to retrospectively O,K extrajudicial murder. Its pretty much served with breakfast and coffee every morning at 7, Trump has been taking the other side of the media attention so isnt new to this regime. I mean we’ve gone this far into lala land you have to kind of marvel at its magnificence. Of course nobody wants an impressive empire impossed on them but history shows how empires unsustainably eat themselves to death. Byzantine destroyed the forests that built they built an empire on. Rome destroyed its roads. Britians lust for land undid her. Thankfully Americas empire of debt is crumbling with out much help from the public. So if, watching a bunch of scrooges get into difficulty making a yatch repayment excites you then the more the merrier. But it is a lonley joke at times.

       Its a bit like watching an alchaholic drink himself to death you know? Funny, ha, ha.

2. I wholeheartedly agree. We should reclaim our independence and withdraw from 5Eyes. Once upon a time the Labour Government of NZ had the courage to reject nuclear weapons. This policy,meant to advance a peaceful world and supported by the majority of New Zealanders, has been corrupted by our involvement in 5Eyes where we are used to give validity to the aggressive and imperialistic ambitions of the worst factions of USA and NATO who seem intent on creating mayhem in Libya, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Somalia, and now maybe North Korea. Any of you arseholes in the mainstream media notice the common factors in all these conflicts. It is not fighting terrorism, protecting democracy, protecting human rights or protecting our “way of life”. The common factor is the USA and NATO killing people to advance their own self interest regarding energy resources, ensuring Israel is the top dog in the Middle East and distracting their own people from the fraud perpetrated on the people by the Western Banks. Indeed some commentators say the Afghan war is primarily about protecting the flow of money from the poppy fields to the bankrupt financial system. I would not have believed this a few years ago but then heroin production has been the major winner from the American prosecution of the Afghan war, 16 years long so far and the American security apparatus has hidden budgets, hidden agendas and does not seem to be answerable to the elected government. Why should we support this bullshit?

3. The latest update from one young man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q5-lvNqF8Y

4. Something big’s up therefore I’m not sure whether I should be glad to be here and a Kiwi or freaked out that we’re undoubtedly now a target. The small penis has a lot to answer for.

5. The ‘5 eyes’ are really ‘6 eyes’..as exposed by Jeff Halper, author of War Against the People , p104
   “The IDF’s Urim facility in the northern Negev is part of the network of Echelon satellite interception ground stations initially set up in the early 1960s by the US, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand (“Five Eyes”)…”

   • And look at this story of just one Aussie whistleblower and how they took him down…!

     https://isolatebutpreserve.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/israel-greatest-spy-machine-of-all-time.html

6. +1

   especially with Trump and May at the helms..

   “It is time we pulled out of the 5 Eyes and became an independent nation again, whatever we gain from being a member is nothing compared to the control we are losing. The GCSB and SIS have both had increases in budget by 250% and 174% under National and Key reorganised the following intelligence apparatus to answer only to a small clique of security goons that Prime Minister Bill English now controls; the Organised Crime Intelligence Unit, Financial Intelligence Unit, Strategic Intelligence Unit, National Bureau of Criminal Intelligence, Identity Intelligence Unit, Threat Assessment Unit, Police Terrorism Investigation and Intelligence Group and the Special Investigation Group.

   That’s a lot of security apparatus doing what?

   The Government can barely keep our privacy safe as it is with their new demands of unconstricted access held by multiple agencies…”

7. You see the pattern, don’t you?
   It’s all about making money from war, so all this spying and so-called security is really about keeping the populations tied down with lies and propaganda, while the military-industrial-political complex of oligarchs are out to kill those in opposition to the dirty tactics of greed and make a financial killing from all their profiteering in a domain of world domination through war.
   Peace, let alone world peace, is something these oligarchs detest and will fight against. They have no honourable intentions of looking after the welfares and concerns of their own backyards.
   They won’t trade in peace, they won’t work together in peace.
   Killing innocent victims and those who stand against war crimes and crimes against the people have no effect on these gluttonous fools. Profiteering from war brings them more income. So bringing their meetings here to New Zealand they have no confrontation, which makes it easier for them to get on with their dirty business agendas.
   Peace means everything to the innocent people of the world.
   Of the oligarchs, to them peace means nothing.

   • Here at home listening to Alan Gibbs this morning I heard a similar world view.
     Market fundamentalism=human greed and artificially whipped up desire allowed to run amok with no regard for any other living beings or the environment in general.

8. The CIA are still involved in torture. The FBI are going after Assange and both perpetuate lies and misinformation. N.W.O agenda.
   The real risks to a nations security are those who perpetuate fear and war and misinformation and that’s the CIA and FBI and most governments and the MSM. The CIA & FBI are shitting themselves over the pedophile; drug and human trafficking exposures.

   We not only need to ditch the 5 eyes, we need to expose their intentional misleading the public about their dirty secret games taking away our privacy and sovereignty. The 5 eyes have infiltrated all aspects of modern global communications networks and they are a very close knit secretive group. This country of ours should be up in arms and very disgusted about this meeting in Queenstown.

   I agree Martyn, we here in NZ are way to apathetic and lazy and not organized enough do what is needed to get rid of them and speak out in Queenstown. We taxpayers are paying for these types of secret meetings and deals right here in NZ and that makes my blood boil. NZ is being use as GCSB monitors and spies on us and our pacific neighbors and then feeds this info to the 5 eyes.
   THE GCSB INTELLIGENCE COLLECTING OCCURS COMPLETELY WITHIN A U.S. RUN SYSTEM.
   WE ARE AMERICAS LITTLE LAP DOG YET AGAIN.
   Their game is to continue to feed the war mongering and war fear frenzy and money to be made on war and using us to do it.
   Thanks National – job well done.

   http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/five-eyes-of-the-deep-state-stoneghost-exposed/

   • ‘The real risks to a nations security are those who perpetuate fear and war and misinformation and that’s the CIA and FBI and most governments and the MSM.’

     Absolutely agree (except there should be an apostrophe in there).

     Add to that list (as far as NZ goes) city, district and regional councils and a lot of the business sector.

     We are surrounded by professional liars, and governed by professional liars, and a vast portion of the populace is not even aware and doesn’t care. And since theses professional liars are making good incomes -albeit short term- out of lying, even as they fuck up practically everything they touch, they’re not going to stop.

9. Marilyn Waring wrote an annual peace lecture called ‘War, the Foundation of the World’s Economy

   • Yes to all that.

     And now that Spark has conned us all into believing that “they have bought our ISP home” don’t believe them, they are patent liars all of them.

     Our computers and smartphones are all now being daily scanned by five eyes so we are now one of the most heavily censored/spied upon countries globally now.

     This doesn’t make me feel safer it makes me feel even much more insecure.

10. Now that Trump has given in to his Jewish convert daughter Ivanka’s and her Jewish husband’s influence, and instead of listening to mad Bannon is now listening to his generals and corporate business bosses, new hard line agendas are being followed in the White House, Pentagon and security services. The hard liners are in charge again, as they were under the Presidents Bush Senior and Junior, and this time the talk is even harsher:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/22/mike-pence-to-meet-malcolm-turnbull-and-business-leaders-in-sydney

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/22/mike-pence-in-australia-says-us-and-allies-ready-to-tackle-north-korea

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-usa-whitehouse-idUSKBN17L29X

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.784851

    Friendship with Israel and Netanjahu (warm ties), hatred towards Iran, stirring against North Korea, a new “axis of evil” is being designed, and as NZ Inc remains a member of the 5 Eyes, we can expect to be drawn into the next war adventures very, very soon.

    That is unless we may decide to steer a different course under a new government.

11. The five Eyes has to be a priority target for removal . When is the next protest to descend on the site of this jackboot licking abomination? Patriots have in the past made their opposition known in a very creative Way. I hardly need add that it makes us a possible nuclear target!!

12. This is why we are a nuclear target. Make no mistake about that.

13. Security ?

    Just wait til we all have to wear a silicon chip under the skin on our left or right hand or forehead in order to buy or sell . They are doing it now in Europe in many company’s.

    … THEN WE’LL KNOW what invasive security is all about….
    …………………………………..

    ‘ New International Version
    This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666.’
    ………………………………….

    The Beast , the Beast , the Beast……

    Echo , echo , echo … Ad infinitum…

    And believe me ,… we aint seen nothing yet once there is a world economic crash… They will know every purchase , every dollar you earn , where you were when you made a transaction , and all your health and private details in huge computer databanks.

    This is only the forerunner…

14. “The new way of thinking was reflected by Tenet at a closed-door meeting of top intelligence officials of the English-speaking world, gathered on March 10, 2002, in Queenstown, New Zealand.
    [“The Dark Side,” Jane Mayer, p.131-132]
    ‘Gentlemen,’ Tenet had reportedly said with a dramatic pause, ‘we are at war.’ What this meant, he had gone on to explain, was “As for the CIA, I can tell you this. There’s nothing we won’t do, nothing we won’t try, and no country we won’t deal with to achieve our goals-to stop the enemy. The shackles, my friends, have to be taken off.’
    “Other top American officials in attendance included Lieutenant General Michael Hayden, then head of the NSA; Mueller, the Director of the FBI; and the CIA’s head of covert operations, James Pavitt. Pavitt evidently amplified the tough talk, noting, ‘We’re going to be working with intelligence agencies that are utterly unhesitant in what they will do to get people to talk.'”
    6 eyes glittering in the dark..

    ‘NATO operation GLADIO’ establishes absolutely, that covert ‘western intelligence’ deploys terror bombings on ‘home’ populations as ‘strategy of tension’ control mechanisms [Refer Bologna railway station bombing 1980.] “You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force … the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security.” [sworn testimony by Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra.]

    “The gloves coming off’ means exactly what it says. 911 was the largest ‘GLADIO’ attack of all time, whether this forum is willing to acknowledge it or not, and is the US deepstate excuse [casus belli] to rage against ALL enemies foreign and domestic.
    Any real popularity, supporting rejection of US strategic interests in this country, will result in False flag or designer attacks on ‘innocent people’ in it.
    Blamed, as ALL these latter day global attacks have been, on ‘Islamic terror.’
    NZ’ers easy relationship with our US cousins, would come to a sudden end.

    • “The gloves coming off’ means exactly what it says. 911 was the largest ‘GLADIO’ attack of all time, whether this forum is willing to acknowledge it or not, and is the US deepstate excuse [casus belli] to rage against ALL enemies foreign and domestic.

      “whether this forum is willing to acknowledge it or not” – or whether it’s true or not?

      By the way, Remo, you do realise that you’re referencing Vincenzo Vinciguerra, a known neo-fascist serving a prison term for murdering three Italian policemen. Anything he has to say about 9/11 is therefore suspect. He’s been in prison since 1972.

      • Oh, Its true alright, Frank. You can’t turn 11 ACRES of 5″ concrete flooring into hot rapidly expanding PPM Dust per SECOND in mid-air by gravity alone. You can’t suddenly drop an 81 columned 47 storied steel framed high rise[WTC7] @ Free Fall in 6.5 seconds, by ‘office furnishings fire’ either.
        I guess that’s what the science march is all about.

        Vinciguerra has nothing to do with 911.
        I referenced his sworn testimony as illustration of the malevolence of the earlier NATO program he was involved in; that became 911. He reveals the reality of the fascist alliance with NATO and the willingness of ‘deepstate’ – which is what it is – to use extreme violence in deceptive ‘hate-crimes’ against innocent civilians to achieve their end. False Flag attacks. Bologna was false flag. So was 911.

        • Remo, you have in my view already discredited yourself with some of your former comments and attempts to present biased and made up info here, also lately by posting a link to a website showing extremely graphic decapitated kids, allegedly victims of ISIS or so.

          You go to great lenghts, but either do fall for conspiracy stuff yourself, or you spread it knowingly that it is false, which would be rather mischievously.

        • So, i mean how should the surviving Bin Laden family or Sunni fundamentalists react to all these shenanigans because they celebrate every time the west fail and upload loving memories of post celebration to Liveleaks.com

          I mean these celebration are equal as ludicrous as official statements over 9/11.

          This horse has been flogged to death. Lets put it to rest.

          • Mike.
            Vinciguerra, is no mischief. NATO operatives murdered 85 citizens stone dead in Bologna railway station in 1980. That is on the public record. A mass-murder designed by NATO/GLADIO network to be blamed on ‘the communists’ at a critical time in the election cycle (Paris, anyone? islamic terrorism? )
            My argument is, that must be understood as template for the ‘NOW’ and any decisions going forward.
            The conspiracy of 911, is real, ongoing in Queenstown also, now. As it was in that earlier 2002 meeting cited above. Because the ‘investigation’ was fraud. The buildings were blown to pieces. I didn’t DO that, and I didn’t ‘make that up.’ THEY did. But it is within that matrix you and I are having to live as direct result. How could you possibly misunderstand that?
            Those areas you accuse me of ‘falling for’ – the horrendous video/photographs you refer to – have not been discredited by those active in the field determined to truth, and so must, in the first instance, be considered ‘real.’ NOT gratuitous to point out to you they emanate from groups the USA/fascist alliance is facilitating in regime change operations in Syria, and who have no proprietary right to the assets of that country. Thats ‘our western’ alliance, BTW, who by omission and active design, arm and transport and direct these brutes in the field, pretending them as enemy . Plenty of discussion of THAT, on the web.
            The discredited videos are generally headed ‘SITE” AND ‘WHITEHELMETS.’
            The horse never died. That was the trick. The deception. It pretended to, while morphing three new heads, becoming four -of-the-apocalypse, and they are presently at work in secrecy on the Whenua of Aotearoa, – land of the long white cloud – right now.
            It is what we think of that, is the issue.

            • I would rather agree with Frank, than with your at times bizarre comments.

        • Remo, I’m not going to debate 9/11 conspiracy fantasies with you. You can cherry-pick whatever information you glean from dubious conspiracy/”truth” websites to suit your world view.

          But it would be pretty damned hard to mount such a far-ranging conspiracy, with hundreds (thousands?) of operatives without the following three things happening;

          1. One of those hundreds or thousands of operatives coming forward and revealing all, in a fit of remorse/guilt,

          2. The Russians finding out and disclosing it to the media,

          3. Wikileaks getting hold of communications (emails, etc) from your phantom “conspirators” and splashing them all over the internet.

          The fact that there have been no such revelations should indicate to you that you are indulging in modern-day fables; 21st Century versions of “camp fire ghost stories”, done via internet conspiracy-merchants.

          Vinciguerra has nothing to do with 911.

          Really?

          So why did you juxtapose his name with your 9/11 conspiracy reference;

          …[sworn testimony by Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra.]

          “The gloves coming off’ means exactly what it says. 911 was the largest ‘…

          Or did you just name-drop for maximum effect?

          There is enough political intrigue and super-power rivalry on this planet without jousting at phantoms in the fog.

          That is what 9/11 conspiracy theories are; clouding real political events with fog.

          • In response and to close, I will say this.

            In the 15 years studying 911 false flag, I’ve come to realize the patterns of argument in response to it. The aspersions cast, always refer back to the character making them.
            “Jousting in the fog” is perfect example of this.
            Another good one is “Crippled Epistemology”

            My direct argument to you is, even at the most rudimentary level, ’Political intrigue and super-power rivalry’ cannot possibly be constructed WITHOUT realizing the central polarizing fact of the 911 deception. Since it is by that mechanism the GWOT was begun. It is the door to the entire history of our time. It is like arguing the Russian/Ukrainian geopolitic without understanding the Maidan, was a CIA coup d’etat.
            Pretending not to be.
            Or arguing the Vietnam war not understanding Gulf of Tonkin was a False Flag.
            Now outed and understood but of no consequence.
            Or that Syria is a covert Western Intelligence/deepstate regime change operation using mercenary jihad as proxy, and not a ‘popular revolution.’
            Mike discusses the ethno/religious ties of Ivanka Trump as if it means something. I argue it means a whole lot more if you understand the mossad and CIA orchestrated 911 .
            That you do NOT SEE the deception, is essential to the success of it. We – you – aren’t supposed to. And if you do, you are told off by the other boys in the paddock as if all you are trying to do is create ‘mischief’…for a little fun..ahahahaha.
            That you accept the official conspiracy theory, Frank, and argue it, Defend it; Probably having never read the commission report nor building assessment reports – is the POINT. You most certainly are not aware of the ongoing testing of NIST algorithms proving them a fraud. THAT’s how the conspiracy exists..YOU mirror its argument and protect it by not doing due diligence. So that when voices like mine sound, you leap to defend something you haven’t even studied, with : “If it was deception, I would ‘have heard of it’ by now, but I haven’t, so it wasn’t.”
            To discuss five[6]-eyes without knowing, at base, casus belli 911 as an inside job is ridiculous and counterproductive.

            • None of which explains that for such a vast-ranging conspiracy neither the Russians nor Wikileaks have disclosed any evidence that might support the scenario.

              How can such a vast conspiracy have successfully maintained it’s secrecy when, as you point out, other clandestine operations have become public.

              • Aim a bit lower. You first must become skeptical of the official narrative and research the mechanics of destruction of the towers. ‘Investigate’ the physics and forensics of controlled demolition, Frank, as beginning point. For yourself. The architects and engineers 911truth are best starting point. When you Realise it is demolition, you realise this IS conspiracy, and you probably won’t need to ask those questions.

                • When you Realise it is demolition, you realise this IS conspiracy, and you probably won’t need to ask those questions.

                  You don’t question conspiracy premises?

                  I always ask questions.

                  • Yeah; but do you ask the right ones?
                    Start with the sudden and complete FREE FALL of the 81 columned 47 storied steel framed high rise WTC7 at 5:20pm, on 2001. The first 108′ (8 stories) @ absolute freefall; the total destruct time of 47 stories in 6.5 seconds +or- straight down.
                    That is: ‘eighty one columns, 47 stories, 6.5 seconds. 2.25 seconds of which, @ freefall.

                    Ed Asner does an excellent 20 minute introduction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbFldtLnmc8

                    I am saying, your questions of the conspiracy will be shaped VERY differently when you realize there IS one.
                    That is what I am saying.

                    And, with respect, until you have realized the evidence of it, properly, with an open mind, you shouldn’t base any more arguments around the official account.

                    • I feel like youre leading upto something like because you have discovered the secrete gem on a hiden level every one must turn off the TV and listen to you while you dictate little hittler style.

                      I mean if you go around with unofficial evidence making claims, ok, ofcourse people won’t accept of course people wont and shouldnt accept official claims.

                      Officially cliams over 9/11 are bogus because there was no official investigation.

                    • Well, Sam [below post] There is no joy in any of it, that is certain.

                      But is it worth pointing out to you, that you acknowledge the official 911 narrative as bogus.
                      A bogus narrative that launched the bogus GWOT – a bogus narrative accepted by worthy progressives and Governments alike.
                      The bogus GWOT, which is the overriding geopolitical event of our life-time, launching illegal wars in at least 7 countries and the murder of countless of hundreds of thousands Children, Women. Men. The purposeful breakup of sovereign states by deception and proxy war to serve a hidden agenda (YINON plan)

                      Yet you associate me, with ‘Hittler’ [Hitler] ?

                    • Little hittler is apart of pop culture now.

                      For old people holding on to cold war relics is really important to them.

                      War is life sustaining. Old people are like sucker fish circling war, like a sucker fish circle sharks. Its a perfect little micro climate in there. Sucker fish on the other hand would think they are dumb if you replaced a shark or war, with a vegetarian or peace. Immediately the micro climate collapses.

                      If you want to have a conversation about the tensile strength of steal we can do that. But I will point out that engineering specs arent this long and they dont have neat little word gimmicks to make things pop out more.

                      And all this relitigating points of differences is fine but no one here needs an eductation on the likley implications fake news has on evidence.p because every one alrewdy knows its fake. So another person telling us its fake well thats one thing, but telling some one that 9/11 is bogus, who is also telling every it is bogus is akin to little hittler.

                      You know?

          • Hey Frank you are living in fantasy land if you haven’t yet studied the 9/11 event and the physical forces necessary to bring about the collapse of WTC 1, 2, 7 and the destruction of WTC 3,4,5 and 6.

            Photo set of WTC building 6 from above ground zero a few days after 9/11. Note the big holes smashed through the building in the last photo – must have been a plane hey Frank?

            http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/oem1.html

            What’s more Frank there were no planes. Just a great big hollywood movie set.

            I’ve danced with you on this one before and you evidently maintain your religious ignorance – that is you refuse to even investigate the matter. Some investigative journalist… story of a lifetime goes begging… your faith in Uncle Sam’s benign nature is beyond belief – most deserving of the best fundamentalist bible thumper.

            The mere fact that your journalistic mates, Pilger, Assange and Monbiot refuse to acknowledge that it was a deep state operation doesn’t mean that you are all correct, you just joined with a bunch of limited holdouts.

            I’ve been looking at 9/11 with the scales removed since 2006 (which doesn’t make me correct in itself, just means I’ve devoted a fair chunk of time chasing bits of the story down) and have placed some of the material I am across in this facebook note.

            https://www.facebook.com/notes/greg-rzesniowiecki/911-down-the-track-12-years-whats-to-be-done/294696270669783/

            Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth are professionals who place their reputations on the line (unlike some journalists) over exposing the truth to the light of the public gaze:

            http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?e=%5BUNIQID%5D&u=d03bf3ffcac549c7dc7888ef5&id=799a597adc

            Pilots for 9/11 truth on why the planes weren’t a part of the Hollywood production: Flight 175 that allegedly hit the South Tower in the air long after it supposedly hit:

            http://pilotsfor911truth.org/ACARS-CONFIRMED-911-AIRCRAFT-AIRBORNE-LONG-AFTER-CRASH.html extract;

            “Based on Flight Tracking protocol, the only reason the Central Processing System would choose to route messages through the ground stations located at MDT, then later PIT, over the numerous ground stations much closer and surrounding NYC, is due to the aircraft being in the vicinity of MDT, and then later, PIT. This means that the aircraft observed to strike the south tower, was not United 175.”

            Part 2 re flight 93 that alleged nose dived into a field in Pennsylvania:

            http://pilotsfor911truth.org/MORE-ACARS-CONFIRMATION.html extract;

            “We now have further evidence which places United 93, N591UA, in the vicinity of Champaign, IL, 500+ miles away from the alleged crash site in Shanksville, PA. This information is further corroborated by a (now former) United Airlines Manager of Flight Dispatch Michael J. Winter.”

            And this is a Wikileaks file that an investigative journalist ought review:

            https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/20/207972_-analytical-and-intelligence-comments-it-suggests-that.html

            There’s more at my facebook note Frank and any who care to upset their cherished notions that the US wouldn’t kill their own citizenry to start a war for profit..

            • I’m not sure why that item was posted on Wikileaks. The email from one “gerald.bakes” appears to be a long rambling conspiracy story without citations or hard evidence of any kind. There’s nothing for “an investigative journalist ought review” because it’s all one long dissertation. The author (whoever it is) offers nothing that can be investigated because there’s nothing of substance to follow up.

              Of course, Greg, there’s nothing to stop others from “pursuing leads” to identify those individuals who conceived, planned, and executed the whole vast conspiracy. (And the numbers get higher every day. And still, no one person has come forward to be a whistleblower – not one!)

              Perhaps even the Russians could do it and investigate the conspiracy. (Unless they’re in on it?) After all, they did (allegedly) hack the DNC email systems, so hacking into the 9/11 conspirators (if they exist) shouldn’t be a Big ask, should it.

              You should consider that if the 9/11 attacks were a vast, secret conspiracy, why haven’t the Russians uncovered it and released it to the world? If they did, it would destroy the US government; US reputation; and US influence around the world.

              So you have to ask yourself; why?

              Asking the ‘Whys’, ‘Hows’, and ‘Whos’, are the start of any investigation.

              As for your suggestion; “What’s more Frank there were no planes. Just a great big hollywood movie set” – Really, Greg?

              The sad thing is that vast conspiracy theories like this cloud and obfuscate the real issues involved; globalisation; increasing corporate influence; waning sovereignty/democracy; and creeping neo-liberalism hand-in-hand with the Cult of Individualism. Those are the real things that we should be focused on. Not 21st century “ghost” stories.

15. […] The fact 5 Eyes are meeting in Queenstown and that they have been meeting routinely in NZ for at least 7 years without any protest by us is an indictment o…. […]

16. “Our digital individualism has trapped us all culturally by the mass surveillance of the Deep State and its power over our Democracy is almost immeasurable.”

    Well, watching TV3’s news at 6 pm with their Newshub reporter in Queenstown today, asking locals and tourists, whether they knew what ‘5 Eyes’ means, we can only have very little hope that the populace out there will ever get it, what dangers they are under.

    Almost all had NO clue about it, and seemed rather casually indifferent, yes blissfully ignorant, so the government, the complicit MSM (mostly that is), are very successful at keeping it all secret and hidden behind the scenes, what goes on.

    Dumb or ignorant voters seem to be the majority, so democracy is assigned to the graveyard, for sure, as it is ineffective and virtually non existent now.

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