Judith 100% wrong on koha – 100% right on Rachel Stewart

ByMartyn Bradbury

Judith is 100% wrong on criticizing the HRC for paying $200 Koha to the Mongrel Mob!

We want the HRC to reach out to all people in NZ, gangs included and koha is an important cultural norm in Aotearoa and we should be grateful that Maori culture have gifted us this.

Complaining about this is beneath the mana of the Leader of the Opposition.

Judith’s support of Rachel Stewart however is horribly smart politics.

With National gaining traction on the disastrously ill defined Hate Speech fiasco, they have in Rachel the poster girl of middle NZ fears of woke over reach.

Rachel is a gun safety advocate, a staunch lesbian feminist, a hunter and former President of Federated Farmers. To have the Police harass her and seize her guns because of a Twitter fight with woke activists is the kind of moment Judith dreams about!

The Woke are literally handing ammunition to the right!

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51 Comments

  1. In my mind Judith is right on both points.
    To my understanding the gift of a Koha gives mana to the recipient. If we are to beat these gangs we need to remove their appeal to young people.
    Gangs will continue until the government tackle their appeal as a replacement family and a way out of poverty.

    1. There are much bigger gangs in our society that we should be worried about. I have always thought Rotary are a gang really, you know they decide what in their eyes are worthy causes. They are all middle class wankers who do not want real change, so they tinker with the poor.

      Gangs will indeed continue so long as we continue having poor in our society, a wealthy country with people living in cars how outrageous.

      Of course the Human Rights commissioner should have given a koha it is tikanga in Maori society.

      1. What social active group are you involved in . How many nights and weekends have you given up, to help those in need .
        What part of Maori society are the Mongrel Mob

        1. Spoken like someone who has no idea about how the gangs came about, and how they became part of the landscape, even after periods of relatively competent government… You’ve heard of the Cosa Nostra, or the various mafias all around the world, haven’t you? They call them “family” for a reason, and the gangs here are the same way, as in whoever ones dad was attached to is who you get attached to.. The gangs are now inter-generational entities, and no matter what various governments do to them, or for them they will exist.. Am getting so tired of the lack of realistic perspective that pervades what passes for political discussion here.. It’s no wonder the tory press is still succeeding in telling lie after lie, and getting cut through… They know that the plan to mushroom as many as is required to stop meaningful discussion has been a raging success…

  2. The fool should have donated $200 of his own money if he was so impressed with them. Marama Davidson was there too and she didn’t give koha.

    The bottom line here is that he’s useless and tone deaf. Not only should he be fired, I question the existence of the role, because it achieves nothing.

    2. If he really cared Hunt could have whipped up a batch of nutritious muffins or vegan scones. Couldn’t ask a minion to do it as I gather that the Human Rights Commission doesn’t get along with itself.

  3. Koha is fine (though there’s nothing particularly Maori about it other than the name) the concern is that the MM are a criminal gang doing immense damage with their P supply, violence and theft. Until they renounce and reform those aspects of their culture and behaviour our HRC should be a lot more circumspect with their support, tiny as it was. It’s rather unusual that the guest speaker should feel any obligation to donate but he is a strange wee man.

  4. There are some other interesting parallels between these two happenings :
    the HR commissioner himself is said to be a driving force behind the hate speech laws , wanting them done behind closed doors lest the public get wind of it and object – so which humans get Human Rights in NZ? Only some apparently.

    Ask yourself what would happen to a licensed firearms owner if they were found to have given a gift/ donation/koha to a gang? But ok fir the guy who wants to take your free speech?
    Even the Greens didn’t give a koha to a gang.

    It seems the rule of law is to be applied to some but not all.

  5. Don’t have a problem with the koha. We need to model respectful behaviour to the gangs.

    Judith could really play her cards right with standing up for free speech and Standing up for women.
    The only two women in Parliament who are standing up for women around debates such as gender self id are Judith C and Jo Luxton. They may well get my vote. A year ago that statement would have been unthinkable to me.
    We have a Minister of Women who want meet with women who oppose the gender self id bill and in the main ignores their letters. Voting Labour is now a bridge too far for me.

  6. I think the koha was fine if it wasnt a meth dealing gang.
    We need to stop linking Maori and gangs.
    Not all us Maoris are gang members and most of us find it repugnant as they deal meth and commit other organised crime.

  7. Cannot really see how donating money, public or otherwise to a criminal organisation is good in any sense.

    But just maybe Paul Hunt wants a monogrammed gun in his name for the next drive-by shooting! “Kindly donated by Paul Hunt”.

    Collins is right. Hunt is a dipstick who needs to get a real job away from the public.

        1. BS, KC:
          Jacinda has tried to stop the 501 crap, the origin of the new gangs.

          J Key, otoh, carried on his passionate bromance with the Aus gov when all the while they were shafting us.

          1. 501s are 1.7% of the now more than 50% increase in gangs under this government:
            https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/02/australian-deportees-make-up-minuscule-amount-of-new-zealand-s-gang-explosion.html
            Simple fact.
            The government stupidly legitimized gangs by letting them run roadblocks in the first lockdown, undertaking formal speeches at their functions, allowing their hand picked civil servants to pay them koha, giving them reduced sentences and jetting them out of jail early.
            These are also facts.
            Both the explosion in gang numbers and violence are occurring under this government, the 501 issue predated that.

          3. There are statistics and there are feels.
            Feel free to show us all the statistics backing your point.

          4. The small measurable amount of some part of an equation does not reflect the power/ effect of that component.

            You can test this out:
            Get a cupful of colourless vinegar.
            Add a small amount – eg 1 tsp of baking soda.
            See what happens…

          5. Here is what MB wrote – This is not a “feels” thing, it is clear and plain common sense:

            What Newshub are missing is that the influence of the 501s has had an enormous impact on domestic gangs desperately recruiting and muscling up to fend off the 501s and that the 501s are operating independently of the identifiable gangs so they won’t be getting recorded.

            My argument is that the sudden forced importation of huge swathes of hardened Australian crims into the NZ criminal scene is a unique event and that they bring with them a level of violence unseen before in the NZ criminal underworld.
            [c/p from the Blog link above]

  8. Mikhal you are wrong comparing Rotary with a criminal organisation.
    In 1985 Rotary committed to ridding the world of polio.
    At the time 360000 cases were notified each year and polio was endemic throughout Africa and much of Asia.
    Since then Rotarians have raised USD2.1billion to purchase vaccines and provide medical staff to deliver.
    Last year, despite COVID, only around 130 new cases were notified as Nigeria was declared polio free leaving only Pakistan and Afghanistan where it remained endemic.
    As at 23 April this year a grand total of two cases have been notified, one in each of the endemic nations.
    For only the second time in human history are we on the verge of completely eradicating a disease, the last time behind smallpox late last century.
    Rotary is committing USD100million each year until polio is beaten.
    Hardly the work of a bunch of middle class do Gooders.
    In NZ Rotarians volunteer time and money to help underprivileged kids pay for schooling, provide scholarships and have a range of live changing courses along the lines of the Spirit of Adventure.
    In Tauranga Rotary volunteers have planted over 100000 natives to rejuvenate a wasteland and are working on a range of environmental projects.
    Rotary founded Cure Kids in 1971 to provide research into kids health.
    There would not be a town in NZ that has not benefitted with skate board parks, bus shelters and other community facilities paid for by Rotary volunteers.
    Mikhal I suggest you contact your local Rotary club to see just what they do. You might just decide to join.
    And despite what many people think Rotarians are not wealthy people but rather community minded individuals who want to make a real difference.
    You need to get out a bit more.

  9. Okay, so I have just been to a team meeting where we discussed a few things about work, all good, nothing to worry about. Then one of the kiddies ( 20 something, 1st year out of varsity), brought up something about adding our preferred pronouns to our email signature.

    I made the mistake of having an opinion. I don’t think it’s necessary for me, but if other people feel the need I’m absolutely supporting of their desire to add their preferred pronouns. To which I was told that “I’m a white middle aged fat man”, her words not mine. I was also told That I would be reported for “hate speech” to HR. My crime as well as not adding my pronouns to my signature, I refused to answer the following question; “ do you believe that Transwomen are real women”, she was upset with me when I told her that 1) she should not be asking that type of question & 2) I did not have to answer it.

    Needless to say, she had to go home “sick”

    1. Terry – If she said you were a fat man, that is body shaming, which is hate speech, and in due course you should be able to go to the police about that – which is where we’re at now.

      If she said you were middle aged, that sounds like age-ism and therefore hate speech, so you could do her for that also.

      If she said you are white, and you are, then you could be in trouble there, mate.It does sound sort of racist to me, but you white males are the new baddies and race-changing could be a whopping challenge, so you may have to leave the country.

      She’s a classless little cow saying that at a team meeting to try and publicly diminish you. It’s the young ones who are doing it utterly clueless of context, and motivated to hurt. Another forty-something man told of being accused of making a racist comment,saying of his accuser,” But she’s young.” That’s no excuse for bullying, it’s scary, and management should be having all work meetings competently chaired. Kia kaha.

  10. I suppose $200 is bloody cheap for the political opportunity. The $200 koha stayed in New Zealand.

    The $11 million to that Saudi sheep farmer/businessman would have been 55,000 $200 koha and it would have stayed here too.

  11. Rachel Stewart is a “gun safety advocate”? Lol, that’s a good take Martyn. Though I don’t know too many gun safety people making the kinds of “murder jokes” she did.

    But hey, whatever works for you.

  13. And I see the second in charge of the Waikato Mongrel Mob Kingdom is on charges for importing and distrubing meth, a guy who was outspoken on helping broken people and making positive changes.

    Who would have thought the Mongrel Mob could do such a thing? Perhaps Paul Hunts koha, in some little way, helped the Mob bring this positive change to meth users and most especially, their victims! Subsidized the going rate for a few points maybe. Bless him!

  15. Of late we have seen National through its sycophantic to Judith Collins Mp Simeon Brown having a go at gangs like the Mongrel Mob and Black Power.
    At no time has Simeon Brown called time on say the Triads and other imported from Asia gangs. And why is this so? Is it because through some way of illusion the NZ National Party are in fact recipients by donations(lets call them the intermittent donations)from those affiliated with say a Triad gang in return for Instant Kiwi citizenship???!!!! Those donations are Koha for National when it suits them.
    But I am going off the track here with that thought and theory. Though it could be possible because we do not know for certain the Hidden Agenda of the NZ National Party because long term it will benefit the few also known as the wealthy at the expense of the poor low income NZers who Bill English deemed “Living beyond their means and MUST experience financial cut backs” we may never know what National if it still exists by 2023 intends for New Zealanders. When it comes to National there will never be any Koha for low income NZers.
    NZ has been through alot over the past 13 years. We had in the past a government that spent our taxpayers money willy/nilly on mostly Vanity Projects. It is here when like the Trickle Down Effect advocated by National in their Copy and Paste from America the Koha started at the top and stayed at the top.
    We have a now minor political party called National that still has that arrogant belief it can help low income NZers but will do diddly-squat Easy Come/Easy Go cavalier attitude to what OUR(NZ taxpayers) money is spent on. Again Koha staying at the top i.e National and its supporters.
    Instead I am sure National and ACT will waste OUR money on stupid repeat questions to the point of asking the same question over 2000 times in parliament and expecting the NZ taxpayers to be the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff.
    And so National and ACT will be more Hoha and no Koha. Typical of them though. Can we expect them to be any better???!!! I very much doubt it. Stupidity and arrogant walk hand in hand with those two

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