Mongrel Mob’s Harry Tam warns of ‘dangers’ to special police powers
A senior Mongrel Mob member has warned there are “dangers” to special police powers meant to tackle gang violence, expressing concern over potential overreach and saying they could cause “a reaction”.
Harry Tam is right. Police State powers that over step generate resentment and radicalisation.
Here’s my fear with National’s crackdown on Gangs.
The first is that they won’t work.
Banning Patches in public, using dispersion powers, implementing non association orders and increased powers for warrantless searches all sound tough to a public who are frightened and tired and resentful of feeling intimidated but won’t do a bloody thing in terms of curtailing Gangs because it fundamentally misses why there has been a jump in gangs and gang violence in the first place.
More of that in a moment.
The second thing I fear is that it starts feeling like persecution.
When you start abusing the power of the State in the manner we are all cheering for against the Gangs you risk radicalising criminals and that is the last fucking thing you want to do in any country!
Look at how the radicalisation of the Parliament Lawn Protestors has metastasized into the dangerous cocktail of resentment that has made politics so bitter.
Imagine putting those pressures on violent organised criminals.
Of course organised crime needs to be challenged at all times by the Police, but what we are doing here is implementing bumper sticker policy that will only cause counter productive outcomes as opposed to smarter Policing.
Hand on heart I don’t think National MPs could tell you what is the difference between the Mongrel Mob, Mongols, Head Hunters, Black Power or Comancheros and that’s deeply concerning because they all have completely different reasons for existence and attempting to tackle the most glaringly apparent elements of gangs with laws that breach human rights will only radicalize those communities.
The problem we have right now with gangs is the unprecedented forced deportation of the 501 criminal elements from Australia who have unleashed a tsunami of violent gang take overs because they are prepared to use a level of violence and sophistication far in advance of the domestic gangs.
These 501 syndicates are using their contacts with South American Cartels to import a purer, cheaper Meth and it is this turf war for the Meth trade that is shaping the current violence.
Police gaining powers to harass and intimidate the poorest members of this crime pyramid with powers that breach human rights will only radicalise that community.
Look at this.
…what that arsehole Simeon Brown never points out is that the $2.75million given to the Mongrel Mob came from the proceeds of crime fund! It wasn’t taxpayer money, it was the proceeds of crime that was paying for drug rehabilitation programmes because that is how you move the community Gangs like Black Power and Mongrel Mob away from crime.
This is the exact type of programmes you want to run.
Where the Gang Intelligence should be focused is on the 501 syndicates because their connection to South American Cartels is legitimately destabilising and dangerous.
Nothing National are suggesting has any connection to reality beyond ZB talking points.
Back to the Gang Patches ban in public.
Patched members are never allowed to hand over their patch so Police will need to beat the gang member unconscious to remove the patch.
When the next Gang tangi occurs after the patch ban, Luxon will have to demand the Police go in and take the patches which will require a heavily armed Police response that will immediately deteriorate into a shoot out.
Can Luxon demand that? Of course he can’t!
The Police Commissioner will tell Mark Mitchell and the PM to go fuck themselves when they demand that they move in because this is a liberal progressive democracy and the Police don’t do the bidding of the politicians!
No Police Commissioner in their right mind would risk that many Police Officers to take patches off gang members at a bloody funeral!
As the impotency of National’s gang patch ban gets highlighted and as their increased Police powers start to get challenged in Court as a breach of human rights, an increasingly frustrated National will start seeking more and more extreme measures in a never ending pissing competition led by hard men like Mark Mitchell and Simeon Brown against da gangs.
If NZ First get to designate gangs as domestic terrorists we are just in uncharted crazy land.
We don’t need harder policing, we need smarter policing because this cavalcade of tough on crime short on facts crap is going to cause far more damaging blowback.
Will there be an uprising this Summer?
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And so it seems these patched arseholes who so often persecute and threaten innocent members of the public don’t like a taste of their own medicine? Go the police.
And if foreign white collar criminals don’t start getting the same level of police attention, that will end well, obviously.
Last time I looked the NZ police only had jurisdiction within NZ’s borders
Which means Jack that they can investigate their activities here, and coordinate with overseas law enforcement. If the target country doesn’t want to play ball then political pressure can be brought to bare.
If we can raid NZ homes alongside the FBI then surely the reverse is true.
There needs to be law and order to keep citizens safe from harm and have a coherent functioning society surely that not debatable. The issue is the ultra-powers that the police have and will be given that probably will breach the bill of rights. The police already breach a lot of the laws in order to make potential offenders comply but are shielded by an impotent PCA that is window dressing at least. Noticeably that Police never want to arm themselves with body cameras but demand the latest tech crime fighting tools. If we want a more transparent police force who want more powers to arrest than surely they need more scrutiny on how they exercise their indiscretion.
Now imagine if Labour had actually listened to people that forecast this and had acted, rather then them being arrogant assholes screaming racist at everyone who told Labour that kids should not steal car and ramraid shops for gangs.
Typical right-wing: utter paranoia in regard to men wearing dresses, fine with men wearing makeup.
But this shit goes beyond AO/NZ. If it were up to us we’d decriminalise drugs and mandate a living wage while stamping out the hardest gangsters of all out there, the banks. We’re being softened up for a new wave of colonisers.
For those of you who voted for the natzo’s, act and nz first, this will be on you, you morons.
This has NOTHING to do with keeping people safe otherwise we’d not have homelessness and poverty. This is about control.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/legal-challenges-in-police-use-of-automated-number-plate-recognition-cameras/VTHDZ4O3BJBOJLH2TZLGYTEGEQ/
” Will there be an uprising this Summer?
Bomber it was all to grab votes of people frightened by on going violence and ram raids.
Luxon and Peters are politicking and egg head will soon learn its different in government than opposition ….you are kinda Kiwi accountable meaning they will be atrocious in their handling of looking like they are tough but when it comes down to it they will back away very quickly and have a bullshit excuse on why its simply not going to be enforced.
Its all talk and they will settle for some half arsed measures they will insist on all those future interviews on Q+ A and other MSM friendly forums that what they are doing is working.
Luxon is out of his depth and Winston is about to teach him the way it works cause unlike Seymour he has been in government before.
The gangs get out of control very regularly.
During the third year of every Labour Govt, it seems, going right back to the 1950s.
Yep…
you risk radicalising criminals ……… hmm ok.