MEDIAWATCH: Fire and Fury doco on Dumb Lives Matter protest is Wellington middle class taxpayer funded virtue signalling at its finest

1. Yes indeed. Right on Bomber.
   It’s a worry, isn’t it?

2. Well you could look at it this way.

   Neither of the main partys are in control of the vote for the pending election. And, the secondary partys both feed off of them and visa versa. Its a fix number either way when they swap votes between polls.

   These disgruntled voters is where the power lays in 2023. That 12%-16%(undecideds) of non aligned voters looking for some leadership.

   The muddle class swingers have already swung.

   If they dont throw them lot a bone in the run up to 2023’s election. It will definitely be a hung parliament.

3. Divide to conquer then control. Isn’t that what it was all about? Create a fuss, study reaction, then crush it and have a giggle while doing so.
   The peasants are revolting indeed. How to fix? You can’t. Therefore we’re all fucked. Get over it and party!
   Mark my words. Decriminalise Ecstasy and all our silly little human-rabble problems will disappear within six months to a year.

4. Why do I get the feeling @ MB that what you really want is for frightened and angry people to simply go quietly to the gas chambers in an orderly fashion?

   • Words to mutter to yourself countryboy if you don’t want to smash all the crockery – Reflection, Restraint and Rumination. Those are the 3R’s for today and all our tomorrows, kiddies.

     But perhaps invite the Greeks to bring their Zorba dance to the streets and do the smashing bits their way. They have managed to hold together in their own trying times with much difficulty and we might learn something from them. Bring Yannis Varoufakis over here or better to a giant outdoor screen of an internet conference meeting. If we can’t get anywhere with these $-eyed Pollies at least we can feel we keyboard warriors have tried despite being stabbed in the back by Labour and the middle class who have been given gifts over decades, but think it’s a one-way escalator they are on.

     Zorba flash mob Ottawa, Canda – better than protester mob!
     This goes for 8 mins but it’s great watching everyone join in. Let’s have flashmobs organise themselvesall around NZ and get filmed onto youtube. And at the end they break ‘biscuit’ plates.
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvEIMrqZCjc

     Smashing plates has been used to signal the end and the beginning, to ward off evil spirits and to express abundance. In symbolic ritual, a plate is smashed at the graveside of the departed following a Greek Orthodox funeral.9/04/2022
     Why Greeks Break Plates: The History Behind the Custom
     https://greekreporter.com › Greek News › Culture
     

5. the important point is where does the finance come from that’s only answer we need from the SIS….WHO IS FUNDING THIS SCHMOZZLE? IF THEY DON’T KNOW THEY SHOULD DO THEIR BLOODY JOBS.
   we deserve to know which foreign and domestic forces are behind this

   • Agree we need to know but I am not sure it suits the Govt to tell us the truth as the rhetoric is likely more powerful than the truth

     • Fantail. The spy services will almost certainly know where the off-shore funding is coming from; whether they tell police persons is another matter.

       Add the dilettantes from the Excellent Centre of Extremism ( picturesque Asian sort of naming there) at the former Victoria University who are now monitoring our speechifying and advising government and heaven knows who else on what they, the extremists, think is extreme, and quite what processes are involved in actioning objectionable dialectics seems to be an unknown, possibly because this is a transparent government. Just don’t rock the boat by wearing designer dresses which may upset Joanne Kidman, and, seriously, have another person present in any sort of interaction with any government department.

     • indeed all NZ pollies to mired in corruption to ever bite the evangelical, russian, chinese, american hand that feeds them.

   • Gagarin Part of being a good spook is keeping secrets, hush, utilising the power of shutting – uppery. If the State spies, that is the official state spies, were to start informing the great unwashed about where extremist funding is coming from, and perhaps why, it would achieve very little apart from warning the bankers to bunk. Fools rush in. One Australian fool did that in Christchurch with tragic results for the local Muslim community.

     • or annie we don’t want to embarrass our yank overlords by telling them to wind their necks in and control their xtian jhiadists…so better ‘not to know’

6. Martyn, its’ the left wing – not the far right wing — who are starting to rise up against the status quo — evidence? Look at the protesters on Parliament ground — left wing all the way…

   • Yeah but I looked same as you and saw right wing organisers stiring up thick idiots who cpould have been on any wing with no prayer… so what now

     • Charlie — I missed seeing those right wing organisers at the protest…many of the protesters confess to have voted for Labour, or the Greens in previous elections.

       • The ‘organisers’ who are deluded idiots but dangerous idiots who are brainwashed by other more far right facist idiots stireed up the gullible with various axes to grind against guvmint authority and lined them up as canon fodder….and yes like good little sheep that they are they confessed to voting Labour or Greens, especially Matt King, Maureen Pugh, Marama Fox and Russell Coutts…Winston Peters……

         • “Matt King, Maureen Pugh, Marama Fox and Russell Coutts…Winston Peters……
           “left wing all the way”

           Oh dear.

           • And all those portaloos were actually confessionals…….ya have to wonder eh!

       • Nathan. Don’t forget that initially the demonstrators at Parliament had no readily identifiable leaders, and politicians used this fact as one of their excuses for not speaking with them.

         It looks as if leaders started self-identifying after Trevor Mallard’s decision to exacerbate the situation by provoking the demonstrators, and the resultant escalation then became as much a protest against Parliament’s attack on the people – people politicians would not engage with- as it was against its original pandemic-related issues.

     • And what if the real thing is to glance neither to the left or the right and to come in, physically, here in the flesh, intellectually, faithfully, morally, soberly metaphysically and chemically (the world being after all a chemical factory) on a wing and a prayer. The old alchemists saw this process as a ‘life’s work.’
       Yeats was interested in the early Theosophical movement and a member of The Golden Dawn. When this organization fell apart because of occult wrangling he expressed the wish to found a Rosicrucian order. Fortunately art prevailed and his message is for posterity.
       ‘Bolt and bar the shutter,
       For the foul winds blow:
       Our minds are at their best tonight,
       And I seem to know
       That everything outside us is
       Mad as the mist and snow.’
       Yeats would have treated with contempt the disgusting parody of Leonardo’s great painting.

   • Nathan. Sir Russell Coutts left-wing is he ? The Real Housewife of Auckland ? That Act chappie ?
     Winston Peters and the potpourri of politicians subsequently trespassed by Trevor, aka Parliamentary Services ? The dumb mums from the wopwops camping for free in summertime downtown Wellington ? The two mayoral candidates from New Plymouth or somewhere similar who came because they “ wanted to be part of history” . What history ?

   • yeah right…nate

   • nat hate to disillusion you but assertion is not fact…sorry

7. “The best lack all conviction, while the worst
   Are full of passionate intensity.” – Sums up NZ Politics today

8. Charlie — I missed seeing those right wing organisers at the protest…many of the protesters confess to have voted for Labour, or the Greens in previous elections.

   • I know one at least who fits this bill. She attended Bishop Tamaki’s domain meetings. She is flakey but is one of those people who curiously is intuitive and right about some things. She’s pretty good on herbal remedies and told another friend whom I know pretty well what to take to get rid of psoriasis. It took three months to get an astounding result. The disease is cyclic so a year later it returned but he tried another combination of herbs. It worked but there are sporadic outbreaks. Never as bad though as the original condition. People are amazing mixtures and it doesn’t pay to divide them up in a Manichean rat trap mindset over the human condition. My flakey friend remains unvaccinated and healthy. She’s always had a dog as well as rabbits and cats so has veterinary contacts. Thereby hangs a rather interesting tale indeed. (sorry for the pun.)
     I think Q-anon is controlled opposition. The old trick about an anonymous contact with TPTB who has an interpretation of political statements. The commentators are often evangelical Christians or New Age believers in avatars from The Pleiades coming to the rescue. Easily duped, sidetracked as are the woke brigade. Too confused to be hard right whatever this means. Some of these so called extreme right sites I believe to be controlled opposition as well.
     Yeats was hardly a Marxist. Rather, at one stage inclining the other way as were so many after the Bolshevik seizure of power and the brutalities that followed. As in scientific circles the question is who paid? Where did the money come from? Most tellingly who were the Bolsheviks?

     • People who remain unvaccinated and healthy do so because the sheep people who they condemn have taken one for the country and them to keep the virus at a manageable level for our poorly resourced health system

       • Oh, so that’s what it was all about then, taking one for the team, informed consent, or personal choice doesnt enter into it, just do as your told because the rabid extreme left says so. Your an idiot and not a clever one.

         So just who is more prominent in cases and hospitalizations in the max vaxxer countries the vaccinated or the unvaccinated?
         Wht do the most unvaccinated countries have very low cases hospitalizations and deaths?
         Come on Trev tell the team

         • The countries that do not have a high proportion of their citizens vaxed are in the main poor countries with poor or no record keeping where birth and death is just an individual concern. When I was in India I followed a truck with dead street people on .No records just fuel for the funeral fire.
           Those with a brain and not had their heads hollowed out by Tamaki or the like know the vax was a protection against serious side effects but not catching the virus .As 97 percent had the sense to get vaccinated it stands to reason there will be a high percentage who get sickwith covid and report it.

           • Well said Trevor. Some people do struggle with the basic concepts of probability.

   • citation for that claim nate.

9. who are these ‘bad faith actors’, where do they come from, how are they resourced?

   May be TDB could start being more newsy. There is so much MSM doesnt isnt going to report on.

   • face/palm

10. couldn’t listen to it – the stylized audio was atrocious. as if a few nutters is all it takes – lol.

11. Mainstreaming of extreme politics? And they’re not talking about the appointment of Joanne Kidman to head the “Centre of Research Excellence for Preventing and Countering Violent Extremism”? (surely a contender for the most ponderous name ever for an organization.

    • Pope Punctilious 11. It’s a toss up between laughing or crying at that rather extreme name of the VU centre to curb extremism, headed by a couple of seeming extremists themselves, deciding upon what may or may not be extreme, and, it seems, advising the government.

      Locating an anti-free speech cell within a university is in itself provocative, but it’s also indicative of what a mad world we live in. I do hope that somebody is keeping an eye on them: objecting to the naming of a cat seems to me to verge on the borderline of rationality.

12. it seems the extreme right have learned something from trotskyites re:-their plans to take over the lower tiers of local govt by ‘entryism’ don’t come crying when your rightard school board snowflakes want to burn books.

    • Gagarin I presume you can read Trotsky in the original Russian.
      You have no excuse not to know that Trotsky opposed the petty bourgeois line of local assemblies that that were not soviets of workers, poor peasants and soldiers, all electing representatives to the central soviet that was the WORKERS’ STATE otherwise know as the DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAT (over the bourgeoisie).
      The problem with the peasant mob led by fascists is that the mob think they have to destroy the existing state while their fascist leaders are all betting on the Brian Tamaki clerical dictatorship The Kingdom of Brian which is a throwback to the muddled ages of rural harmony.
      Equally, the middle class marxists and the post-marxists like Bomber are all competing to influence the bosses’ state when there is no hope in hell that that state will listen.
      Meanwhile where is the organised working class coming up with its own solutions. A workers party that unites Maori and Pakeha workers from the ground up, fighting the mob as we go, fighting the fascist leaders, and building workers democracy to replace the bosses state.
      For that, we need the real Marxists, the Trotskyists with a program for a Workers’ Government and a Workers state. Short cuts are dead ends.

      • well dave entryism refers specifically to a tactic not a a philosophy, practiced in UK (and I’m sure elsewhere) universities and most famously by the ‘militant’ group on liverpool council..developed by ‘trotskyites’ who presumably saw it as an evolution on trotskys satated position….as we know various ‘ites’ have little to do with their namesakes.

        • Entryism by the far right into local bodies bears no resemblance to ‘entryism’ as used by Trotsky to refer to the tactic of revolutionaries entering social democratic or socialist Govts to win workers from reform to revolution. The Militant turned entryism into a reformist strategy which was an abuse of the tactic. What we need is a workers’ party based on workers councils and rank and file controlled unions with organised self-defence against fascists, as part of which revolutionaries can raise their program for a workers revolution.

          • sorry dave but ‘trotsky good’ just doesn’t cut it..a tactic is a tactic whoever uses it.

            trotsky was in favour of forced labour armies just like iosip vissarionovich..so far from a pure revolutionary saint.

13. Stuff circus are deliberately stoking the fire. That’s their job, to direct attention on to scapegoats – a real conspiracy theory – away from govt actins, past, present and future.

14. Do you think there might be more 15 October 2007 style raids (this time against Freedom and Rights Coalition et al)?

    • Certainly look that way Chris.

15. So what is your programme for fixing the mess we are in?

16. Do we really need that many ‘long’s ?

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