With all the recent excitement on Parliament grounds, and various TV Polls, some of Chris Luxon’s extraordinary statements of late on where he wants to take policy has been overlooked.
He wants to bring back the Rights draconian austerity welfare culture that hurt beneficiaries and he is parroting the usual wasteful public service mantra.
Punishing the weak and the poor is central National Party philosophy, they believe passionately in using the stick before you are even allowed to see the carrot but they will struggle with the small Government mantra.
This pandemic has forced voters to look to the State for protection and they don’t want a smaller State, they want a larger one that can protect them better!
What’s most concerning however is Luxon’s jaw dropping comment that he wouldn’t rule out David Seymour’s recipe for a race war…
National leader Christopher Luxon thinks there’s merit in Act leader David Seymour’s idea of running a ruler over every single part of the public service, but he won’t say whether references to the Treaty of Waitangi should be expunged from our statute books.
…he won’t say if triggering a race war is something he won’t rule out???
Let’s be very clear, ACTs call to strip the Treaty out of every law would start a race war.
Game it out:
- David Seymour cuts a deal with National in 2023 and launches its purge of every Maori political win since the Treaty was signed.
- Shutting down every co-governance arrangement would provoke absolute outrage within Māoridom and spark a vast number of immediate legal cases which would jam down any legislative process as every single decision made after Parliament passed the law ending co-governance would become challenged. Political protests would erupt around the country and local councils would find local resistance as Māori groups universally set up occupations of shared governance assets.
- Likewise, abolishing Māori seats would ignite enormous protests, many of which would quickly escalate into violence. The UN would criticise NZ snuffing out indigenous voting rights and we would face global condemnation.
- The New Government would then attempt to find anyone within Maoridom who would willingly negotiate new Treaty ‘provisions’ with them. No one within Māoridom would willingly negotiate these and so the New Government, while dealing with increasingly violent weekly protests in the street, would announce that they are universally negotiating these new provisions on behalf of Māoridom. The news that not only has the New Government ended co-governance and abolished the Maori seats but are also now redefining the entire Treaty by themselves inspires all out violent protest and the New Government respond with increasing use of special terror laws and paramilitary Police to keep a lid on the escalating fury within Māoridom at the loss of their political rights.
- Increasingly global media attention is scathing towards the New Government.
- Donald Trump calls the New Government ‘wise’.
- While ending co-governance, abolishing Maori seats AND renegotiating the entire Treaty on their own, the New Government then announces that the Waitangi Tribunal is being ended. This causes an eruption of anger within Maoridom that manages to eclipse the current rage and entire regions are now in open revolt.
- Before the New Government are even in a position to remove consultation processes, Maori customary rights and any Māori funding, the country is plunged into a full blown race war which the New Government are not able to control.
- Vast chunks of the military refuse to open fire on a public demonstration after the New Conservative Government order them to.
David can be as much of a smug intellectual as he likes, but selling raw meat racism to angry white males with policy promises that would lead to a race war isn’t clever politics, it’s fucking dangerous and it’s fucking ugly.
So why is this so hard for Luxon to rule out?
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Luxton would probably want those businesses and government workers affected by the shutdowns to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and pay back the tens of billions doled out in upper class welfare (the second tier). But really this showpony should first take a look at himself and wonder out loud why someone who is obviously set for life would, instead of using his wealth for good, instead of growing himself and his loved ones (he can educate himself in whatever he likes, can treat himself to life’s luxuries and hobbies and can travel to any destination in the world on his days off), would want to enter politics and then make life worse for New Zealanders? He’s either a dumb chump or he has plans to bring other dumb chumps into power, just because he can.
Luxon is no “dumb chump”.. He’s simply climbing the same social/economic ladder that his mentor John Key climbed.. Key, (the owner of the National party now) is either an American citizen, or was granted the right to own property in the USA(next door to the Obamas) because he made himself very useful in the process that led to the 2008 GFC, which enriched the banks, and the people who own the military/industrial complex that controls both sides of politics there, while senior manager, specialising in derivatives at Merrill Lynch. Luxon represents a return to the butchery perpetrated under Key, and Luxon will be amply rewarded for his work for NZs new owners….
Because 85% of the population won’t go quietly to become legally 2nd class citizens because of their race
Co governance would mean 1 Maori vote would equal 5.6 non Maori votes. Except He Pua Pua gives the Maoris a final right of veto
If you’re looking for a reason for a race war try this governments drive to apartheid
mC, some would claim the statistics show we have already have apartheid in NZ. It can also be argued that the current claims, about this government introducing apartheid by stealth, are actually being spread by those who may loose their current privileged positions in our society. Just like we have recently witnessed in the USA people who rise to power on such innuendo are a danger to the maintenance of law and order and the democratic processes we rely on.
“It could also be argued …” but you wouldn’t want to take responsibility for arguing such a thing, eh PK?
I wonder who you have in mind when you talk about “those who may lose their current privileged positions in our society”. Maybe you’re thinking about Paul Hunt and Meng Foon – those useless entities might lose their privileged positions if Seymour gets his way. If Winston Peters got his way, Maaori Party demagogues Rawiri Waititi and Debbie Ngarewa-Packer might lose their privileged positions.
PPII, I consider myself to be in a privileged position being white middle-class and having been fortunate in most of life’s decisions. I have many times observed and heard clearly racist behaviour and comments; I don’t believe these actions necessarily make us an apartheid society, but I am seeing this from a position of privilege, something others don’t have. Therefore I believe it is debatable if we have an element of apartheid in AO/NZ laws and institutions, not something I have an absolute answer for.
Wow, you consider yourself “privileged” over Maori because you are white and “middle class”.
What a racist.
I am middle class and white, and i have worked for many Maori managers and business owners. Am I more privileged then my bosses?
Take your race based ideas back to the 1960’s where people considered themselves privileged to be white.
Glen, not once did I mention Maori. I do consider myself privileged and part of that has been that I have never been racially abused in the street or profiled because of my ethnicity, not like many in our society.
Mathew Campbell or whoever your real name is?? It becomes confusing which Pakeha I am having a discussion with sometimes as I feel like I’m talking to the same bloke because a majority of the time Pakeha seem to think and write in Uniformity with one another and I get annoyed and frustrated at the continued insistence that Maaori are separatist and want to practice Apartheid??
The crime of apartheid is defined by the 2002 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court as inhumane acts of a character similar to other crimes against humanity “committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime”.
Susan Devoy heroically the other day came out and said that one of her roles as “Race relation councilor” was that she was responsible for every other race in NZ except Maaori!! She claimed that Maaori had a part time indigenous councilor? Now let take a breath for a moment and consider what that means? Does that mean that Maaori design this system to be exclusive to the rest of NZers? And I could go on and on about the the negative statistics facing Maaori but that exercise is futile for this conversation as we are discussing your version of “apartheid”. It clearly apparent to me that the only ones not practicing apartheid are Maaori.
Not even Luxon in the photograph casting doubt over the article.
Casting doubt about your impartiality Jeremy.
Can you tell me about the convoy of hate Jeremy?
Why are there Trump flags at your convoy protest Jeremy?
Hehe love your name, 1 out of 10 Jeremy’s!
Psst, his real name is John.
“Not even Luxon in the photograph”
I’ll answer for Jeremy/ John…the Trump flags are there because they’re there alright and it’s all because of Jacinda and Labour’s fault. They are horrible!
Hehe love your name, 1 out of 10 Jeremy’s!
Psst, his real name is John.
“Not even Luxon in the photograph”
I’ll answer for Jeremy/ John…the Trump flags are there because they’re there alright and it’s all because of Jacinda and Labour’s fault. They are horrible!
no, he’s absolutely right about the photo, it’s some sports guy who doesn’t like the association either, sorry can’t tell you his name, Luxon’s head is a bit more pointy and shiny; this guy (in your photo Martyn) looks straight up…just saying
But gin hag, the idiot John had to ask the question.
I wasn’t at the convoy.
Looking for your marbles?
Trying to search Facebook to find out why there were Trump flags at the convoy of hate?
Jeremy et al asking about the picture.
I think some you are not getting the humour of that image of Mr MoonTV, Hamsterman from Amsterdam. Let a German enlightens you folks on NZ legendary humour. Here goes: Clearly Leigh and MB are mates so MB said Hey Leigh can I use your mugshot when I do Luxon articles? Uncle Kenny thought it was a bloody funny idea and so they shared Box of Wakachangi and a pack of Chickan crips.
There, that should clear it up. I piss myself laughing everytime I see the pic and picture Leigh interviewing Luxon at Target Furniture in a bad leather sofa. That would be hilarious!
I’m sure when Luxon attends a BBQ everyone is like oh shit its “That guy”.
Jacinda has already failed the poor, Luxon hasn’t, yet. They are the same type of people.
@NoBiggy Maybe Luxon intends to go back to McGeehan Close to “fix poverty”, like his hairy mentor John Key did? John Key keeps telling us that Chris Luxon is just like himself and shares his values.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2016/12/mcgeehan-close-has-life-changed-for-residents-under-john-key.html
I think a lot of the poor might yell at him, like some of the residents did with Key, when he pulled his poverty stunt. You can’t fix poverty by visiting a poor street, then by battering benefits and selling off state housing to developers because of fake meth level readings.
Interesting you mention Luxon hasn’t failed the poor yet, implying that he will! Let’s ask McGeehan Close residents what they think of the National Party in 2022?
No Biggy – Yep tweedledum and tweedledee. Labour and National.
It must be remembered of course that ONLY National Party supporters work hard.
Must have been hard to type this @TM.
Fingers sliding off your keyboard keys that are covered in irony globules.
The National Party, like their Tory Party counterparts (whom they invited to their 2-day Caucus retreat) are born-to-rule types, more suited to ruling over serfs, than hard graft.
Aaron Gilmore and Gerry Brownlee summed up the Nat attitude to work best with:
“Don’t you know who I am?”
ACT party members work even harder…
Well they dance better.
They plan ways to get people off benefits, like paternity.
They plan ways to get people off benefits, like euthanasia.
They plan ways to make public schools into charter schools.
They plan ways to knobble the health system so that people have to go private, or die.
They plan ways with National to send a convoy of hate towards Wellington.
It’s a tough job, but somebody has to do it!
I’m not going to strawman the possibility of a violent insurrection; these things happen. An armed ethno-nationalist uprising, the targeting of civilians and a “bring it on”, vigilante type counter insurgency if government forces fail to protect the people. Could happen.
What I want to question is the premise that we should, under the shadow of such a threat, vote in a government willing to capitulate, to sacrifice our democracy, to ethno-nationalist extremist demands.
How about no!
BTW, do you, Martyn, know something you’re not telling us? Have you any evidence that such a threat is any more than just an idea or fear.
If we are stupid enough to be embroiled in a race war, then we stupidly stand by and let it happen then. Nobody wins, everybody loses.
Speedo cops are a good idea though …
About says it all!
About says it all!
Martyn
Let’s just think about this bit: “National leader Christopher Luxon thinks there’s merit in Act leader David Seymour’s idea of running a ruler over every single part of the public service.” Here, read this from RNZ:
‘The total cost of personnel in what’s deemed Core Crown departments has risen 35.8 percent in the last four years since the Labour Government took office.There’s been a 21 percent increase in the number of people earning over $100,000 compared to the year prior, rising from 15,055 to 18,301 public employees. Now 28.6 percent of all public sector staff earn over $100,000.’
So you are saying there is no merit in this idea? We should just leave the public sector to do what it’s doing now, and that is have almost no accountability, hardly any performance criteria, and seemingly no mandate to actually ‘serve the public’. Because that’s exactly what this govt is creating. So much so it can’t control the bureaucrats any more. Who is the boss here??? The public is! Public Service (including councils like AKL CC) have become fucking monsters where 19-year olds with free 1-year marketing or cultural studies diplomas, and armed with rule books and clipboards, have more power Godzilla. I think Luxon should dismantle the whole thing and strip out all useless layers. He should also demand performance, based on good service to the public. You’re the one who always gets stuck into Kāinga Ora – let Luxon dismantle that one first! What would be the harm?
Great idea New Kraut. Luxon does need to get tougher on all this, just like John Key used to do.
He is leading in the polls, but any weakness he shows now, and it will all turn to custard.
But, he needs to get tougher on Maureen Pugh too. Obviously Maureen did not get the memo that the Dirty Politics wing of the National Party is an integral supporter of the convoy of hate, but its existence must be in absolute confidence and on the down-low’
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300514726/convoy-protest-national-mp-maureen-pugh-deletes-post-thanking-protesters-says-she-didnt-know-they-were-antivax
“National MP Maureen Pugh has deleted a Facebook post where she thanked the Convoy protest movement currently camping outside Parliament. Pugh originally edited the post to remove the mention of the protest before deleting it entirely.
Why does she support the convoy of hate? Her post showed another lack of political perspicacity and a signpost that dirty politics is still alive and well as a cornerstone of National Party modus operandi. Better keep an eye on Harete Hipango as well, however, she is a little closer to the dirty politics cabal, thanks to her close relationship with a former leader.
Luxon the leader, needs to demote her, or update the staffing list email about keeping quiet about dirty politics’ convoy of hate.
I said in another post that she needs to be fired.
Yes she is dangerous.
ohhhh the irony the public/civil service which is full of neo-libs being culled by a neo-lib..it is kinda poetic…jacinda should have sacked the apparatchiks (political administrators) but didn’t, mind you at least she’s providing a 2 tier benefit system to cushion their lycra clad arses.
Great comment TNK. Labour governments have always liked to have lots of little helpers suckling off the tax payer teats. No one would mind if they achieved anything but they don’t.
They lack the capability
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“where 19-year olds with free 1-year marketing or cultural studies diplomas, and armed with rule books and clipboards, have more power Godzilla”
What reality are you living in? Did you read a book about the five year plan by Mao and it still gives you nightmares?
Of the stupidest shit I have read on the internet in 2022, you fucking win. Congratulations. There is a huge bag of donkey dicks for you to eat as a prize.
Aaah what have we here? A public servant, govt employee getting a little bit upset?
get a real job and stop leaching off tax payers
” So why is this so hard for Luxon to rule out ”
Its not this is all about votes and they will need every single one in a tight MMP parliament next year.
Brash tried in 2004 but the National party learnt last time how to inflame debate to bring them more votes but I would seriously doubt that Luxon working on behalf of his donors , the property rich and the wealthy would want anything that endangered their interests.
When it really comes down to it they don’t have the stomach for it but austerity most defiantly and that will hurt Maori and many others.
Depends what you mean by “austerity”, Mosa. Seymour is gunning for the HRC, which can only be good news. The HRC is just a mouthpiece for woke ideology that benefits nobody. I hope he will also have a think about the Race Relations Commissar, who seems to think his job is to aggravate race relations. You express concern about Maaori – well getting rid of both those commissions would probably benefit Maaori overall, as the fatuous pronouncements about “racism” and other “isms” by Hunt and Meng Foon almost certainly contribute to anti-Maaori sentiment among resentful elements of the non-Maaori population.
Fuck off Pope 2 with you BS narrative and you shouldn’t worry yourself about anti-Maaori sentiments “Meng Foon contribute to anti-Maaori sentiment among resentful elements of the non-Maaori population. You’re walking around blindfolded with a stick shoved up your backside even to suggest such nonsense. The previous Race Relation Commissar, Susan Devoy mentioned that she still has emails somewhere on her computer from mainly Pakeha that 75% of them express anti-Maaori and anti-treaty sentiments so if you believe this is news to Maaori than boy you and no doubt many Pakeha have a lot to learn about our country in its entirety.
Did the Herald accidentally run the Leigh Hart / That Guy pic or is it intended as humour (that goes right over the top of my head admittedly)?
If you put your nose right up against the screen, it looks exactly like Chris Luxon.
If you are a National Party voter, pucker up when you get close enough.
If you have long hair, don’t get too close, because Chris Luxon might share tricophilia with his mentor John Key:
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2015/04/25/john-key-profile-of-a-trichophiliac/
Brilliant!
thanks 🙂
Which is why I’m giving ACT my party vote at the next election. It’s time we end this Waitangi Tribunal nonsense!
Great idea Anna.
I have lots of friends from South Africa that live on the North Shore and they are always extolling the benefits of ‘a little bit of apartheid, when necessary to protect the hard-won wealth, or hard-working people like yourself’
We always vote ACT and support you 100%
That is what is called “a serious burn”. Perhaps you should adopt the non de plume “the arsonist”?
I prefer my roving pseudonyms to encapsulate the burn, which is inherently linked to the fcuk-wittery of the poster’s comments and their inherent political and/or South African biases.
It is rumoured that they call rooinek South Africans like Anne and her ACT-loving ilk, “Rope”</b?
Presumably because they are both 'thick and twisted'.
Ouch, burnt fingers again on that one @standalonecomplex.
A bit like you standalonecomplex, my pseudonyms are 'standalone' and 'complex'.
Voting Act wont make a world of difference.
How else will David Seymour (and other ACT Leaders) ever get on Dancing with the Stars, if they are not desperately lifting their ACT public profile by making a dancing dikcs of themselves?
“Political protests would erupt around the country and local councils would find local resistance as Māori groups universally set up occupations of shared governance assets.”
Wonder if law enforcement officers will be as robust in breaking up those protests as being demonstrated outside the peoples parliamentarian to day? I guess they will protect the peoples land (parliament) much more robustly than private land as shown at Ihumatao.
“Shutting down every co-governance arrangement would provoke absolute outrage within Māoridom and spark a vast number of immediate legal cases which would jam down any legislative process as every single decision made after Parliament passed the law ending co-governance would become challenged.”
Is Maoridom outrage worth more than the outrage of the 83%?
“While ending co-governance, abolishing Maori seats AND renegotiating the entire Treaty on their own, the New Government then announces that the Waitangi Tribunal is being ended. This causes an eruption of anger within Maoridom that manages to eclipse the current rage and entire regions are now in open revolt.
Before the New Government are even in a position to remove consultation processes, Maori customary rights and any Māori funding, the country is plunged into a full blown race war which the New Government are not able to control.
Vast chunks of the military refuse to open fire on a public demonstration after the New Conservative Government order them to.”
Sounds like blackmail by the 17% over the 83%. We get what we want or declare war.
No wonder the underground urban warfare training centres are mainly training asian, indian and pakeha combatants. The 83% don’t need the military. Enough armed and trained militia ready to rumble. An unending Donbass type war will destroy the economy and settle nothing. Drive everyone back to the stone age.
Maybe that is what the 1% want. Divide and then conquer everyone, after we beat the crap out of each other. Set up a corporate state. Or alternatively could we expect Chinese intervention off the military kind, after the New Zealand population is spent beating the snot out of each other, ready to make the fertile lands, fisheries, mining deposits and oil reserves here an outpost of Chinese imperialism.
and if they’re anything like the US militias ‘the 82nd chairborne rangers’ and the ‘gravy SEALS’ they’ll be as effective as the ashtray on a motor bike…a fat slow moron with a gun does not a soldier make…but they’ll probably be ok at bullying small children and lone individuals
Yep, those specialist divisions stopped the wars in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan stone cold dead…
The only ‘Race’ war you’ll get is the race between all the parts for a seat at the trough!
You won’t get one from the left because they’ve all sold out to the latte party. The ‘right’ is a bunch of pussies too.
When comes to a bif. NZ’ders don’t do that because it hurts peoples feelings.
Regarding Seymour’s idea about removing treaty provisions it may not in fact be as foolish as Martyn’s article suggests. For example if we look at the Conservation Act S4 states: “This Act shall so be interpreted and administered as to give effect to the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi.” The problem is the Treaty Principles are unclear at best. While serving on a Conservation board I put the question about what the principles are exactly to a national panel of iwi experts who were reviewing the Treaty Provisions. The answer was ‘the principles are broad and can never be confined” . Another common answer is ‘it’s up to the courts to define the principles through case law’. What this means in effect is DOC’s role regarding giving effect to the principles is simply nearly impossible and DOC faces back to back legal challenges ( Four recent examples of legal challenges are: Ngai Tai Case, Conservation Board Appointments, Paparoa National Park Derogation, Stewardship land review). It has also jammed DOC’s Nat Park and CMS reviews. S4 has all but crippled DOC. Incredibly Labour want to use the same wording in the RMA reform. The cost of all of this is astronomical and has distracted DOC away from core work.
In a wider sense the never ending treaty debate distracts the government from housing, welfare reform etc. Perhaps Seymours vision is worth considering…
The irony is if Labour were less shit, less National Party mini-me, Luxon would be barking at the moon and nothing more.
But because of their ineptitude, he’s a contender.
The public service is woefully underfunded now and it looks like it’s about to be put on a diet by National whist the wealthy get it back in tax cuts.
Xray, very true.
civil service serve ’em right for being neo-lib zombies.
..but yes the nats only have a shout because labour are so shite
The Nats will make the RBNZ focus on inflation only. If the treacherous Labour party had done this the rapid house inflation would not have happened.
https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/114308/national-commits-restoring-inflation-reserve-banks-sole-monetary-policy-target
Labour introduces a CGT or loses the election.
You seem to want CGT @NoBiggy, this is at least the second time you have commented and urged Labour to implement it?
Verity last night told you how to get your beloved CGT implemented
1. Persuade John Key to support CGT!
2. He’ll persuade Chris Luxon to support CGT.
3. Dirty politics crew like you will lobby that Jacinda is “too scared to implement CGT”.
4. National will make CGT a referendum promise/pledge during the election run-up, to offer a non-binding referendum. They might even get the dancing with the stars ACT bloke to propose CGT Referendum (NIMBY Remuera exempt though!)
So you’ll get National and NZ First to combine with the promise of a CGT referendum @No Biggy.
National will either NOT have a referendum if elected. Or in the small print, it would have read “non-binding”
I think you are a National Party operative, sent to stir the pot about CGT.
You are too obvious and would be better camping out with your National Party Rent a Hater convoy in Wellington NoBiggy
hanggg on I thought lab couldn’t influence the ‘independant’ reserve bank…or was that another porky.
I said in another post that she needs to be fired.
The aussie owned banks, property agents and their Tory’s friends the property speculators were the only winners of this latest house escalation. They creamed billions from the housing market and profits went off to Aussie.
Or perhaps he might think that democracy is something worth preserving. You know, one person one vote.
The other lot seem to subscribe to the some are more than others
Aaah what have we here? A public servant, govt employee getting a little bit upset?
Well many Maori have been and continue to be treated like second class citizens in our own country Matthew despite going to war to fight for our country making the ultimate sacrifice. And unless you are Maori you would not know what that feels like. As for privileges we die younger, we are less likely to get the right and best medications, scans, operations and so on so can you please stop talking a load of bollocks.
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