GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Not one more eviction

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There is a war going on.

The rich and their cronies in the media have united against New Zealand families to trample them into greater poverty and homelessness.

At the spearhead of this latest assault on New Zealand families, is a propaganda campaign being waged to demonise renters, espeially state house tenants.

The purpose of this campaign is to continue, and even accelerate, the dismantling and privatisation of the state housing system, to push more families into the already overcrowded private housing market, to benefit the private landlords, developers, housing speculators and banksters who benefit from inflated private housing costs..

At the forefront of this vicious propaganda campaign is the New Zealand Herald.

The New Zealand Herald is appalled, that since the election of the Ardern administration, in 2017 there have ‘only’ been three evictions from state housing.

I am appalled that there has been that many, especially in the midst of a global pandemic.

The Herald and their right wing backers want to see many more state house tenants evicted onto the streets.

Make no mistake the motive of this propaganda war against state house.tenants, is the dismantling and privatisatioon of the state housing system. The NZ Herald are softening  us up to accept the eviction of state house tenants onto the streets.

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To justify eviction of families onto the street by private landlords, hi-lighting of extreme cases is not a new tactic.

What is new, is this time the government is the landlord and state tenants are the target.

When the state house system was at its peak of operation, troublesome tenants could be transfered to another state house, possibly in another suburb, or even town.

After decades of mass sell offs and giveaways of state housing stock, to the benefit of private landlords and developers, the state housing system no longer has the capacity it once had to cope with troubled families.

The wholesale clearance of previous state house suburbs, in Glen Innes, Pamure, Mt. Roskill, Orakei, and the gentrification of these areas, have seen privileged private home owners pitted against the remaining pockets of state house tenants.

To those private home owners who have benefited from the sell off and demolition of state houses so that you can move in to buy or build in previouos state housing areas, And who believe the Herald’s lies that State Housing tenants are “privileged”. You are the ones who are privileged not us.
And we were here first. If you can’t live with us, some of us, with problems and life experiences you will never understand, Don’t buy or build in our areas. If you have already bought or built where a state house once stood. You don’t have my sympathy for the troubles you are having.

The right wing propaganda campaign hi-liting troublesome state tenants is to soffen us up to the eviction state house families, onto the streets, to accelerate the gentrification of our inner city areas, of Glenn Innes, Mt Rosill, Pamure, Orakei.

If you choose to buy in a low decile area, where state and run down private rental house low iincome families, many who have suffered decades of insecurity and systemic abuse, it comes with the territory.
Do not expect them to move out onto the street, when you have the ability and economic privilege of choosing where you live. These families have no other choices.

Disclaimer: Pat O’Dea is the son of the late noted state house advocate for state house tenants James O’Dea. Pat O’Dea grew up in a state house, but currently rents from a private landlord in a low decile South Auckland neighborhood with state house neighbors some of whom display the same sort of behaviours that the Herald is trying to use to smear all state tenants. We live with them and help them where we can. But we don’t think we are better than them. because we rent privately. Yes we have suffered some of the same incidents hi lited by the Herald, but they have been isolated and infrequent, we don;t escalate or continue these disputes. It doesnt mean we are door mats either. I admit to having to on occasion having to call the police or ambulance after witnessing some of the incidents of domestic abuse or violence.And even on one occasion being the victim of it..I don’t demand that my neighors move out so that the developers can move in.

Pat O’Dea is a unionist and human rights activist.

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  1. Ahhh Mr O’Dea, you do not live next to a state House with gang affiliation or just unruly threatening tenents who party all night with many visitors and loud music?
    Please let your voice and activism portray the actual neighbours of these idiots as of no concern, please keep it up, can only help the opposition and indeed shame the current Govt.
    After all law abiding state House tenents should just shut up and be grateful they have a house eh?

      • Our neighbourhood is much more pleasant, quieter & more family oriented since we got rid of the armed, gang affiliated drug dealers who had set up shop in our block of units. No one needs to tolerate that crap, it ruins lives & destroys the quality of life of those around it.

          • Some of them were escorted by armed officers to a secure Government facility where they could have their needs taken care of at expense of the taxpayers. The woman, who was the leasee, moved out of town to live with whanau, escaping a life of drugs & domestic violence.

            These people emptied out the units around them, as people couldn’t live or raise their families next to the loud music, armed Police raids & constant stream of “customers”. They lost their homes because of a group of people, most whom didn’t even live in the building (trapping the leasee in their crimes). Now all the units are filled again, children play & ride their bikes on the drive and calm has returned to the neighbourhood.

            None of this helped me, it largely made no difference to me, but it has made a difference to the vulnerable people in the neighbourhood and to those who have found safe housing in the otherwise vacant units. Drugs & violence are a blight on any community and if you tolerate them, you condone that behaviour.

    • I would rather live next door to the biggest most rowdiest gang house in the country than next door to this scumbag.

      Thursday, December 02, 2021

      An embodiment of our problems
      When Christopher Luxon was anointed leader of the National party, the first thing I did was look up how many houses he owned in Parliament’s Register Of Pecuniary and Other Specified Interests 2021. The answer is seven, suggesting that when it comes to housing, one of Aotearoa’s big three policy problems, he is part of that problem, not part of a solution. And it gets worse:

      Soaring house prices mean new National Party leader Christopher Luxon is effectively earning about $90,000 a week in capital gains on his seven properties, which give him the biggest property portfolio of any sitting MP.
      […]

      Luxon’s properties – a family home in Remuera, a Waiheke Island bach, an apartment in Wellington, his electoral office and three investment properties in Onehunga – now have a combined value of $21.145 million.

      Their value on paper has increased by $4.3m since the start of this year – and by $3m since June alone – but most of those gains, if realised, would fall outside the “bright-line test” and would therefore be untaxed.

      Hickey noted that Luxon had theoretically earned even more this year from housing than the $4.2m he earned in his last year as chief executive of Air New Zealand.

      That $90,000 a week is more than the median kiwi makes all year, and on an annual basis its 50% more than we earn in a lifetime (based on median hourly earnings). Of course, that median kiwi pays taxes on every dollar they earn; for Luxon, its all tax free. And as the icing on the cake, he doesn’t even recognise that this is wrong.
      This is a man who has absolutely nothing in common with the people he purports to represent and supposedly wants to lead. He might as well be a Martian for all he has in common with us. Instead, he’s basicly an embodiment of two of our three biggest problems (and conspicuously silent on the third). Only a party whose MPs own three and a half houses each (and are thus similarly divorced from reality) could think he could win us over.

      Posted by Idiot/Savant at 12/02/2021 01:53:00 PM

      Labels: Chris Luxon, Housing, Inequality, National

      • So it’s ok to persecute and bully “self entitled home owners” who’ve “benefited from the sell off and demolition of state houses” because “we were here first” and some of us have “life experiences you will never understand” and “suffered decades of insecurity and systemic abuse, it comes with the territory”.
        Even if I accept the legitimacy of some sort of tyranny of the traumatised, is it still justified when they persecute their usual victims – other poor, traumatised people? And isn’t power, control, dominance and narcissism documented factors at play in such situations.
        I’ve know a 6 year old special needs child threatened with being “blown away” by a white power thug, an 80 year old woman virtually imprisoned because “that’s your place, now fucken stay there”. Immigrants abused and their property damaged. A 60 year old woman beaten bloodied. One perpetrators father is a wealthy lawyer, another was adopted into a high decile household with all the accessories. Hardly the walking wounded acting out. And each one of those incidents involved a land grab of common grounds. Sounds like power and domination to me.
        The police don’t care. They told the 60 year old “well you shouldn’t have upset them in the first place”. With the 6 year old, police told a concerned neighbour “don’t worry about them mate, they’re animals. If they want policing they should pay for it. They should be put on a desert island to kill each other”
        And neither do the housing providers. They make the usual noises of “appropriate action being taken” and expectations of “feeling safe”. Meanwhile the tenancy manager actively supported the persecutors because “they’re worldly people” and the child “shouldn’t be here”.
        What you’re advocating is a continuation of current practice which is largely informed by a contempt for the low deciles. Indeed, your views are very similar to the cops – let them kill each other. Only your justifications differ.

        • Your clever sophistry to justify the erasure of whole state housing suburbs, using stories of the degradation existing at the bottom of society as justification for evicting troubled families out of their houses and into the gutter and even further into the drains.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ignCI2GbHIM

          Remember this Ernie, (who ever you are), just like the Morlocks in HG Wells famous story, one day we will end up dragging you down into the drains with us.

  2. There are a significant number of people living in state housing who are not fit to live in a pig sty.
    Housing is a privilege, not a right and as far as I’m concerned if you wreck a state house that other decent and needy people could live in, the those privileges should be permanently revoked

    • You’d best take up that line ”Housing is a privilege, not a right” with the U.N , as we are signatories to their Bill of Human Right , – part of which states that it is a human right to have a warm dry home.

      • You would probably find most people would prefer safety first to the others. No point being in a warm, dry, home, if there is harm involved aka shooting, threats, and you are frightened all the time.

        That is the woke problem – they are so impractical and middle class they can’t even prioritise the most important factors first for housing.

        • Yep true enough, however, in light of the housing crisis all this demonstrates is the lack of options and severity of the situation. Along with other substandard answers these neo liberals have on offer.

      • Freedom of speech, movement, association and freedom from discrimination are far more fundamental as human rights and yet Labour have extinguished all of these temporarily for the entire country and indefinitely for a significant minority.
        Aside from that, the UN is perhaps the single most corrupt governmental body in the world having brought prostitution and drugs to many a country “fortunate” enough to have them interfere in their internal affairs.

  3. i guess you don’t live near these guys, your family is safe and sound in a nice area with no pesky anti social tenants.
    Btw, for every unruly state tenant that gets evicted another family who is also on the waiting list will get a house and these people then maybe not only happy and relieved to have a home, but they might even be home proud.
    Good grief, well to do people and their chardonnay social justice that harms only people not them.

    • Good grief you are fucking clueless. To just confirm what Pat has said “I do live next to a state house with gang affiliation.” So your “guessing” puts into perspective your inability to put facts before fiction. Like most of your posts, your anarchism would have us separated where we would fight each other to the death.

      • FFS Bert, Pat’s post saying he does live next to a gang pad (doubtful) was posted at 11am, Sabine’s post was at 7:30am…you should know that a REPLY does not mean it was posted BEFORE someone else’s post below them you idiot.

        • “FFS Bert, Pat’s post saying he does live next to a gang pad (doubtful)”

          So you’re calling Pat a liar you simpleton?
          Everything you say is doubtful I’m Wrong!

          • I think Pat said the isolated and intermittent. Most of us can put up with that. It’s the unrelenting day in day out threatening behaviour that the good tenants are having to deal with

            • I have watched the video that came with the Herald Hate Fest.

              What it indicated to me was that there was a history there.

              Isolated incidents can be escalated, especially by the arrogant and self entitled.

              Instead of thinking, ‘There but for the grace of God go I’.

              The self entitled home owner instead thinks, ‘Might is Right’ and I have the might because, I am a property owner, and I know the police and the authorities and the media will be on my side. And so is confident to escalate one off incidents, leading to a spiralling out of control all out war until the home owner safe behind a wall of police and with full insurance and home security system, finally gets what he wants. The eviction of his neighbours and their dependents to become someone else’s problem.

      • While I tend to agree with your description of Sabine they commented at 7:37 am while Pat clarified his situation at 10:58 am so can be excused for the wrong assumption.

  4. I think the point is, that some state house tenants are harassing their neighbours which is against NZ tenancy laws, but the state is allowing this to repeatedly happen making other state house tenants flee their state houses and feel unsafe and they often have kids too.

    Not an easy situation because the anti social state house tenant has to go some where, but there is growing anger that certain violent segments of society are being left to do what they like with no consequences, and it’s getting worse.

    Woke love to think that bad behaviour in NZ is just a one off and misguided. and the solution is massive amounts of social funding to private groups feeding off this. That would be fine if there was unlimited resources in NZ and the social provider model actually worked, but in NZ we seem to have worse cases getting most of the funding and help, while doing little to help others also needing help, while their victims have to move away.

    Perhaps if Oranga Tamarik spent more time and help on the kids that need it, instead of their critical race theories and litigating their own foster/guardians https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2021/09/12/oranga-tamariki-critical-race-theory-demolished-by-judge-labour-must-be-so-grateful-to-delta/ (and then not being able to find suitable placements anymore) doing a good job.

    There doesn’t seem to be much interest in a stable environment for abused kids, and instead a committee approach from poorly trained social workers who are allowed to embellish reports, and everyone gets a say and piece of the kid, is the norm to protect the abusers rights, not the child. Of course they all have their own lawyers billing, so no point in getting this done quickly, make it last for years we are seeing!

    Some of these kids seem pretty frightened and OT seems to have no understanding of where they are going wrong and why they can’t find suitable placements! https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/staff-at-waikato-dhb-extremely-distressed-by-oranga-tamarikis-treatment-of-child/2XE7ELXTYTR37RSHESC2MFIVFQ/

    Meanwhile there are tens of thousands of people waiting for a state house (often also with children) on the waiting list who can’t get one as the violent and anti social get away with not being evicted, often hiding behind their kids, who grow up and emulate the same violent and anti social behaviour.

    • “Some of these kids seem pretty frightened and OT seems to have no understanding of where they are going wrong and why they can’t find suitable placements!”
      Well they’ve just appointed one of those ‘kids’ who has been through it all (along with his siblings), so I’m keen to see whether of not he’s listened to, or whether it’s simply going to be more of the past. (You may have seen John Campbell singing his praises on Breakfast not too long ago)

      • Yep but whether or not one child’s experience going through the system should be treated as the answer, (for example one child complained that they didn’t know the people they were placed with, but other than keeping them with the abusers, this is a likely scenario, needs to be practical!).

        Where do you start, but maybe qualified staff and a proper plan that is practical and registered psychologists working out best scenarios to aim for, based on clinical research, would help.

    • Counselling! Counselling isn’t magic. There are a lot of people counselling can’t help. Counsellors are best putting their scare resources to those motivated to change who they can help….it is money down he drain throwing counselling at these people who likely won’t attend, even more likely will abuse the counsellor if they do. Show me one study which demonstrates the effectiveness of counselling for the individuals.

      • I agree, Anker – I just meant that the $100,000 that it costs to keep someone in jail for a year could be better spent elsewhere, if the reason they were there was due to poverty in the first place.

        There is a cycle of poverty and crime, for which throwing someone in jail at a cost of $100,000 a year is all wrong and perpetuates the problem.

  5. Hi Pat, did you put your hand up to take in those crazy buggers, if so, well done Sir, if not, you have reinforce my views on certain Social Justice Warriors, all talk — no do.

    • Yes, Pat, write a good woke proposal for funding, they might give you 2.7 million to have the anti social in your house as you ‘rehabilitate’ them.

      Or tens of millions for building houses for the mentally ill, only the committee and providers spend most of the money and only built a handful of houses for the mentally ill who are still homeless.

      So lucrative these social bonds for the high needs! Lets bring more high needs individuals and families into NZ!

      For those that make a living ‘helping’ high needs, it seems like bigger funding than lotto and equal to Meth smuggling profits without the risks.

  6. Let’s look at it this way. If landlords routinely evicted bad tenants, then bad tenants are more likely to become better tenants. Win/win.

    Mental health issues are an entirely separate issue – but creating mental health problems for undeserving neighbours should be a no/no.

  7. Kāinga Ora is down a house after one caught fire yesterday, no eviction needed though. Sometimes people need more than a roof over their head. Fortunately the occupant didn’t kill any of the neighbours he shot at. No one deserves to live next door to that.

  8. Remove the primary cause of the acute stress, desperation and anger, and the problem of tenants at breaking point will ease considerably.

    Choosing food OR rent when you cannot have both
    – by Ethan Te Ora

    Long-suffering council housing tenants are asking for rent relief, and say they don’t have money enough for food after paying exorbitant rents.

    Labour MP Paul Eagle​ says the Government will report back to those tenants “before Christmas” about access to an income-related rental subsidy (IRRS). At the moment, they can’t access the subsidy – and Eagle wouldn’t be drawn on whether that would change when the Government does report back.

    Extending that subsidy would cost the Government $13.2m a year – money they have until now been reluctant to spend, despite mounting pressure from most sectors of society and impassioned pleas from cash-strapped tenants.

    About 100 people attended a public meeting, on Saturday, organised by tenants – the crescendo of a months-long campaign called IRRS 4 ALL. Full article at the link

    • Mega-Landording would include the state landlords, but besides that, that is what Labeen policy have been going for, giant corporate landlords with hundreds of houses and removing mum and dad investors… where have you been!

        • Kheala Yes, this is more than a state owned property problem. I ‘ve had two-three years’ harassment from the property manager of a private rental. We first met when I asked him not to block our shared driveway without prior notice and he said, “ You’re just a pain in the bloody arse”. This is not breaking any laws. I think him a nutter, finally got legal advice. The property owner, member of a service organisation, also lives nearby, is also a bully We used to have a good community cop who I think could have been helpful in this type of situation, but they were abolished, and the local cop shop was closed down. The current tenant there, a young Indian guy, has witnessed the pro manager raising his voice and he throws his weight around too.

          The other two problematic nearby rental properties owned by reasonable Chinese are currently under control because the tenants know they’ll.be evicted if they play up, and few other rentals are available. The previous disc jockey tenant shouted at me and slammed a glass door in my face when I asked him to turn his bass down. I had the police out and they were ok, but a senior officer who visited me apropos of a side-issue was a prick.

          Prior to the disc jockey, my life was accompanied by Samoan drum music enjoyed by folk who chopped down established trees and shrubs to park their many cars on a once-pretty garden, reluctant to park on the street and walk down a long drive, and who burst like an atomic bomb upon the neighbourhood.
          But they did not shout at each other inside the house the way that the Indians do. I wear industrial strength headphones weeding the shared driveway. My most civilised neighbours are two quiet Chinese owned and occupied households.

          We don’t have decent noise laws in New Zealand, as eg Germany has, so that
          communities do have a degree of social awareness and social expectations. City councils are often useless and subcontract out to a variable group of young males, interestingly, largely also now immigrants.

          Several years ago I wrote to the Minister of Local Govt – I don’t recall which one but it will be in my paper files – with proposals about noise control regulations and enforcement, and I received an interim reply. That’s all.

          ( I still have an interim reply from Helen Clark when she was shadow minister of health, and I had no results from a procedure at Capital Coast Health, and I still await both the test results and Clark’s response.)

          So there are a number of issues here, including governments deliberately creating and maintaining a housing shortage; mental and other major health issues in the community, including those created by or resultant from government policy; and politicians having zero interest in the quality of life for the social community apart from politically expedient bare minimums.

          • Good idea to have noise controls like Germany especially as they are determined to put everyone into close quarters going forward.

            As for this idea of going to a quiet little town, these people are everywhere and apart from noise control, not a lot of enforcement to stop neighbours disturbing others 24/7 if they chose to.

  9. I urge you to visit the Standard and read Swordfish account of what his elderly parents have faced with the state house tenants from hell. For four years. If you are so wedded to see the likes of these anti social people not evicted, then how about you trial living next door to them for two weeds. Seriously.
    Please be aware that these anti social tenants who should have been evicted by lunchtime are harming the lives of our most vulnerable, ie the people who have no choice but to live is a state house.

    Labour has neglected and ignored these people and I welcome the Herald highlighting this issue.

    I wish these tenants all the luck against the govt whose policy of non eviction who has made their lives hell.

    • then how about you trial living next door to them

      Pat has said elsewhere that they already do live next door to “them”.

      What is your proposed solution to the problem, Anker?

      • Well Pat appears to have experienced “isolated and infrequent “. Episodes of the behaviour written about in the Herald. Most of us could deal with that. But the accounts I have read report unrelenting anti social behaviour, yelling swearing vandalism and abuse. Keeping people awake at night.

        There are many scenarios being debated on the Standard at present. But I don’t see why it’s my job to come up with solutions for these people. Actually I don’t care too much about them. I care about the tenants they are abusing. I would set very clear expectations of behaviour, offer professionals to train them in behaviour like emotion regulation (up to them if they take it) and two warnings, then they are evicted. I don’t believe you can help everyone.
        I don’t know, maybe offer them a tiny house in a remote part of NZ ……

        • I quite like your last suggestion 🙂
          (It is similar to measures that were taken to re-home soldiers returning from WWI, who were often traumatised and wounded in more ways than one.)

          If the govt treated the problem with urgency and an absolute determination to improve it, then they could do so.

          Instead, as Bernard Hickey wrote (Mike Treen’s article), businesses who were already mega-wealthy have been given billions of dollars and made more billions in profit, while so many families have to beg for food. It is beyond disgusting.
          The rich got richer in lockdown
          A crisis of the system

        • Can’t remember which gang, but they deal in Meth but it’s banned from being used by their gang members as they get too disorganised and cause trouble to the gang operators dealing the drug.

          • Well I did post above about that.

            I don’t believe it is possible to solve all problems and the evidence is that it’s almost impossible to change people with anti social personality disorder. So he may well be a problem for Aotearoa for the rest of his life. Placing him in a state house next to the likes of Swordfish parents, doesn’t make him any less of a problem as his shocking behaviour is unrelenting. But he should be evicted and kids processed through Orangi Tamariki and placed with other relatives. Or even boarding school. The tenant can be homeless with vouchers given to courses for addiction, emotion regulation and any relevant courses to his issues. He can remain on the waiting list for a state house and even shift up the list if he shows signs of progress….

            Meanwhile some decent family moves into his house and contributes well to a happy neighbourhood

            Some of these people we will never be able to help and many of them likely heading to jail whether or not they are housed. We are better off putting our

            • You know that jail costs $100,000 per person a year?

              That would buy enough food, rent and counselling for the whole family, with FAR better outcomes for society in the longer term.

            • Only in your fantasy is a bad family moved out and a grateful good family moved in.

              Have you driven through Glenn Innes lately?

              Have you seen the acres of bare land cleared felled of state houses and being landbanked?

              Have you seen the areas where what were once state houses, now worth over a million dollars are being left empty for the captial gains?

              https://www.newsroom.co.nz/cat-maclennan-on-ghost-housing

              If you have witnessed these facts on the ground then will know that when a family is evicted the house is privatised or demolished. No, ‘good’ or ‘more deserving family’ is moved in.
              Up till now State Tenants evicted from Glen Innes, Pamure and Mt Roskill have been moved into state homes in South Auckland. (pushing those on waiting lists for a state home in these areas further down the list).

              If they are so called ‘bad familes’ they are not.

              The Heral authors know this and want to clear even more state housing areas. Now that the state housing stock has been run down so low, that there are few available tenancies to transfer state tenants evictd from Glen Innes, Pamure, Mt Roskilll, to, the Herald wants them kicked onto the streets.

              This is the motive behind the propaganda campaign hi-liting instances of problem state tenants.

              • Given there have only been three evictions of state house tenants in recent times … it’s little wonder there is little evidence of others getting a chance to move in …

  10. One arguement for not moving the rat bag tenants is they have children . Why are these children still there as all this does is perpetuate the problem. I can agree these families need a wrap around care but obviously it has not been done or if it has it has had no result. The writer talked of moving the bad tenants but this reminds me of the Catholic Churches moving on child molesters . It did not stop the problem but it did hide it and the church looked as though they cared.

  11. Plastered concrete block construction (with batoning and fibrolite on the exterior side of the walls for insulation purposes); a sheet of steel on both side of the doors; double glazing with the interior glass panels wire netted; all in a little community set behind gates, and we could pretend we don’t do apartheid because we’re really suphusticated. Kind of like a poor man’s gated community without the kitsch McMansions behind the security gates. There must be a bit of spare land around Remmers or Mission Bay surely.
    AND it could even give ‘them’ something to aspire to.
    I have to live next door to predominantly poor little rich kid first year students. Their parents wouldn’t have a fucking clue what they get up to the moment they’ve left having helped them move in, and the slum landlord owner doesn’t seem to be that dissimilar from the parents.
    Funny old world eh?

  12. Well, let the righties boot the state housing tenants out on the street. From that, I think there will be blowback. When people have nothing to lose they will riot probably invade the gentrified districts and start burning houses down beating the gentry up and stealing stuff. Go ahead and call the police riot squad and the army that will probably generate a social explosion then. But why should I bother telling you ? All this stuff is coming anyway.

    • All this stuff is happening anyways. A house burned down yesterday, three cops got shot and one man is dead.
      I guess Labour ain’t kind enough to the Gangs?

      • Well I did post above about that.

        I don’t believe it is possible to solve all problems and the evidence is that it’s almost impossible to change people with anti social personality disorder. So he may well be a problem for Aotearoa for the rest of his life. Placing him in a state house next to the likes of Swordfish parents, doesn’t make him any less of a problem as his shocking behaviour is unrelenting. But he should be evicted and kids processed through Orangi Tamariki and placed with other relatives. Or even boarding school. The tenant can be homeless with vouchers given to courses for addiction, emotion regulation and any relevant courses to his issues. He can remain on the waiting list for a state house and even shift up the list if he shows signs of progress….

        Meanwhile some decent family moves into his house and contributes well to a happy neighbourhood

        Some of these people we will never be able to help and many of them likely heading to jail whether or not they are housed. We are better off putting our

      • Well I did post above about that.

        I don’t believe it is possible to solve all problems and the evidence is that it’s almost impossible to change people with anti social personality disorder. So he may well be a problem for Aotearoa for the rest of his life. Placing him in a state house next to the likes of Swordfish parents, doesn’t make him any less of a problem as his shocking behaviour is unrelenting. But he should be evicted and kids processed through Orangi Tamariki and placed with other relatives. Or even boarding school. The tenant can be homeless with vouchers given to courses for addiction, emotion regulation and any relevant courses to his issues. He can remain on the waiting list for a state house and even shift up the list if he shows signs of progress….

        Meanwhile some decent family moves into his house and contributes well to a happy neighbourhood

        Some of these people we will never be able to help and many of them likely heading to jail whether or not they are housed. We are better off putting our

      • Exactly Sabine. You are bang on the money as always.

        Being in a state house didn’t magically convert that guy into mr neighbourly did it?

  13. well ‘the kids’ don’t fall into the social housing providers remit, their welfare is for other institutions, the parents are inflicting the situation on them not the state.
    And yes others are entitled to a quite threat free home life, there are others waiting on the lists if the swinish don’t want to comply with basic decency…then that’s their choice and the private sector is their reward.

    however, yes wellie council are preparing the ground for privatisation of social housing, talk of hiving off a stand alone company to administer their social housing, then institutional investors buy in, properties are redeveloped with little or no social housing content….it’s an old playbook that’s been run in other neo-lib paradises and NZ suffering from the ‘policy cultural cringe’ will probably go along with it cos ‘look we’re big boys too’

  14. It looks like the solution for tenants causing problems is that they ben chucked out of the houses. Onto the street. Straight away. What will they do when they get there? Who cares.

    It’s like the Rotorua motels emergency housing. Chuck them onto the street. And the motels can be motels again for all the visitors thronging to that city to be ‘entertained’ by marauding mobs of the homeless. Including children.

  15. Given

    1. a growing waiting list for a state house
    2. an increase in the number of state houses and more planned
    3. income related rent continues

    I can see no evidence for the claim you make.

    It’s simply about accountability of any landlord to their tenants, and that includes their well-being.

    Nostalgia for a time of state housing (on 1/4 acre sections) suburbs is fine, but more private sections are being infilled at these land values and so should state house ones. More state houses result, not less. And it also allows some smaller sized Kiwi Build homes as well. It’s not gentrification if state house tenants have better quality places to live.

    However like all intensification, it magnifies the neighbour issues – which is now a real issue that needs a better process than no evictions whatever …

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