The expert panel this morning took a couple of hours to explain to a country not blighted by Covid why we need to get used to mass deaths for Maori, Pacifica, the poor, old and the ill so that migrant exploitation, international student exploitation, hyper tourism and the rich can make money again.
It was a moving speech for blood capitalism that will seem a lot less noble when Delta breaks out here.
Our low vaccination rate, our underfunded ill prepared hospital system, our low capacity morgues and an indigenous population with a genetic predisposition to this very type of virus will all combine to rob today of any legitimacy.
With more pandemics from climate change and with more catastrophic weather events, closing the borders will be the only political position worth voting for.
What part of ‘we can never go back to normal’ don’t you get yet?
If we go straight back to mass migrant worker exploitation, exploitative international education and hyper tourism we will have learned nothing.
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Yes Martyn its all about the money and its seems our rich don’t like being told what they can and can’t do, and they want to be free to say whatever they like and not be challenged, cause they are rich and therefore they know best, never mind who they trample on in the process. We just have to look at Mr Bowker from the Hurricanes Board and now we have John (who threw the towel in) throwing his ten cents worth in re- vaccination and opening the borders.
I thought John Key sounded more like John Key than usual in the Herald, vaccinate by the end of the Xmas and then let it spread, like its 1999 luft balloons.
We still have no idea how the world will look into 6-12 months, yet we seem to desperate to open the borders. However it is, it appears to me that there is no going back to what life was like pre-COVID.
It is obvious that the world is heading into a highly turbulent period, and COVID will just be one of the variables involved in this.
I want to be able to travel as much as anyone else and I know firsthand how the lockdown has had a severe impact on peoples lives beyond just being able to go for overseas jaunt.
However, when I hear about young children in the USA being taken to hospital due to COVIDI want to make sure we are not rushing into anything.
We have a a one off opportunity to take stock of where we are as a nation and where we want to go in the years to come, I hope this government understands that.
Well Moderna issued their statement today confirming what I was trying to explain to people here yday: that this is not a “one and done” vaccine (like it is for measles). This is more like the Flu Vaccine, in that it works for a bit (while still having a viral load mind you and being a potential super-spreader), and then you need to get another one. In this case, every six months. Forever, if you want to keep “everyone fully vaccinated”. So let’s all get excited to suck on our big-pharma overlord’s tit for the rest of our lives. Oh and don’t make too many international waves or get faced with vaccine sanctions. Can’t wait.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/moderna-covid-vaccine-third-booster-shot
Expect Pfizer’s announcement soon.
Every day I take 15 pills to stay alive . Thank goodness big pharmac was there to do the research and come up,with a solution.
Big pharmac had the research already done so that the life saving vaccine could be rolled out to protect the World from covid and get us back to a resemblance of a normal life.
Imaging if big pharmac was state owned they would still be doing the reports to go before a select committee then nothing would be done until they can use the power to get reelected. just like Labour did last time.
Imagine if the vaccine was created in a state funded University like.. I dunno… Oxford. And not by big pharma. Oh wait… I dont have to imagine it, thats exactly what happened.
Well put stanalonecomplex; and now ‘big pharma’ are reaping the profits.
Hmmm, I had to take about 8 pills when I had me first heart attack , some of them made me feel like crap, .. and I just could not keep up the pill regime so I quit. And as for the morphine they pumped me up with, to think crims fight and scrap over it!- gimme a hip flask of rum or whiskey anydays! That was 5 years ago… I prefer me grog. Was cholesterol build up in an artery due to sitting on me arse and smoking. Not the heart musckle itself. I gave up in exasperation. Five years ago should have been my time,…
I wouldn’t recommend going against doctors orders, but for me I just couldn’t do the pill thing anymore and kept forgetting which was which.
Randy Dandy Oh
https://youtu.be/_HkKN0cNUaU?t=2
15 pills oh gosh that can’t be good for you, and what happens when you miss one Trev?
The thing Moderna missed is that immunity is via infection and recovery (people infected last year are not being reinfected this year).
Vaccinated people are being infected, albeit more slowly, so immunity is gradually being built up. But at a rate the health system can cope with because vaccination is preventing hospitalisation.
Citing a media source owned by Glen Beck is laughable.
‘What part of ‘we can never go back to normal’ don’t you get yet?’ … That’s right! – There never even was a normal to get back to…! When was normal?
polling must be shite.
You can expect nothing but sabotage from saboteurs. And the maniacs that STILL want to behave as if it is still 1960 will do whatever they can to have their way -cheat, lie, steal- even if doing so means an uninhabitable planet a few decades hence.
Every day I take 15 pills to stay alive . Thank goodness big pharmac was there to do the research and come up,with a solution.
Big pharmac had the research already done so that the life saving vaccine could be rolled out to protect the World from covid and get us back to a resemblance of a normal life.
Imaging if big pharmac was state owned they would still be doing the reports to go before a select committee then nothing would be done until they can use the power to get reelected. just like Labour did last time.
No ‘big pharmac’ did not have the research done. Remember that ‘big pharmac’s’ research and production for these vacines was largely funded by government grants and supported by university researchers – I wonder where the profits are now going? Looks like state welfare for ‘big pharmac’ to me!
I’m not saying that I believe in State ownership of pharmacy suppliers, like a state run supermarket that would be a disaster, just don’t try and rewrite history to suit your biases.
Agree Trevor.
We are going to either keep our boarders closed with an MIQ operating or we are going to live with covid loike we live with the flu. It’s one or the other, there is no middle ground.
All over the world the highest incidence, hospitalisation and deaths from covid are in the countries where vaccination rates are the highest. This is probably somewhat distorted because of varieing testing regimes , but it is clear to anyone looking past the MSM and govt propaganda that the vaccines are ineffective , aside from being dangerous. The lockdowns that will ensue as soon as we relax the border controls we now have will be infinitely worse for everyone than the loss of the profit in a few businesses. But those businesses will be worse affected by the lockdowns anyway. The only way those tourist and other industries that are dependent on open borders will return to normal is if and when we do a Singapore and treat covid like the flu and put up with the health effects that result from it being endemic.
D J S
Karma is a bitch landlord boomers
Lol. The Blairite blinked. At 38% the Suburban moms obviously didn’t like the concept of getting jabs but still not getting their holiday in the GC.
Are Mike Hosking and John Key suburban moms?
….. rolf !!!
Harris? Interesting segway….
Martyn
We’re part of the wide world like it or not. At some stage we have to reconnect. Exactly how do you suggest we do that. Take your ministry of works idea to build 10,000s of houses…we’ll need to import a massive workforce to pull off that idea. Or are you seriously convinced 10,000s of houses will be built by local kiwis? No way. Never. Ever.
We can’t live in isolationist socialist dreamland forever. We have to do business with the world.
Maybe we could start by stopping the growth ‘non-jobs’ that all seem to have fancy titles and getting people back into the productive ‘work-force’.
And paying them a decent wage to build being the incentive. There’s a time when because of the neo liberal rort, wages and salaries need to come more into line with each other and less of this ‘class distinction’ crap of 19th century ‘Lords and serfs’ mentality.
Labour is WORTH SOMETHING.
Human energy skill and making it happen is equally worth those who are academic or merely fiscally minded and CANNOT DO.
I totally agree Wild Katipo.
Peter
Yep that would work. You’d have 25,000 local workers alone if you ‘drain the Wellington Beehive swamp’. They could use their clipboards to shovel concrete and ashphalt.
And where will that massive workforce live Te Kraut?
Yes the actual math doesn’t add up Covid. Import workers and live where? Part of the reason why we are in the predicament where in.
In the 1000s MIQ 1000s facilities that have been set aside but not made public.
But we don’t have the nurses or security staff to man those 1000 MIQ spaces you are talking about. And living in those rooms will come at a premium pushing the mass workers living costs up. And does your mass workforce bring their families or will they all be single people putting no pressure on our infrastructure. There are also other logistics u have to consider its not as simple as you say if so it would have been done already.
Well. We need to be able to pay the doctors, nurses, vaccine makers, medical equipment providers, teachers, unemployed, owners of Indonesian coal mines, MSM journalists, police, fire fighters, AJ Hackett bungy…
I would suggest a simple premium put on those who actually DO the hard work. Those that should be given the option of retirement at age 60 who have served well and find their knees, backs and bodies are crapped out long before those with comfy academic/ office jobs.
Its time we showed a little more respect and appreciation for those who actually DO the hard graft and the work no one else wants to.
Given that vaccination is supposed to protect us (even if not 100%) it is the obvious precondition to open the borders, even if in a phased way. Otherwise the alternative is to keep New Zealand permanently closed. Which is not practical.
Can we eliminate all risk? Obviously not. But certain levels of risk is what we already accept. Think of motor transport. People do die using it, but is seen as indispensable.
So I think the govt is on the right track.
Though I suppose some people might say we can be permanently closed. Or more accurately, we can only travel if we are prepared to do MIQ on our return, or if fully vaccinated, do home isolation. Maybe New Zealanders will are OK with that.
To clarify my last point, I am OK with self isolation for international travellers who are fully vaccinated. I understand from the science that a shorter period than 14 days will be OK.
However not everyone can self isolate, maybe even most can’t. After all few people actually live alone. So self isolating mean isolating everyone in the household. We will still need extensive MIQ facilities for some years to come.
The vaccine is not a cure it merely reduces risks and we know this cause people who have been vaccinated have still got the Covid it just hasn’t killed them.
I drove through Kumeu today and saw a ‘Panel Beater Wanted’ sign on a fence outside an industrial building. Haven’t seen that since 1978. In the sixties and seventies, you could leave a job or get fired from a job and get a new job the next day. The economy is booming. Unemployment is down to 4%. Wages are increasing in the private sector. Keeping the temp visa migrants out seems to have been good for the average bloke.
However, there are still 135,000 people unemployed mostly living in poverty. There are 124,000 people underemployed (ie. have a bit of casual work). There are 107,000 who have given up looking for work. That’s a pool of 12% of the workforce which employers can access with better wages and training. When all these kiwis are working and have a decent income then there might be a case for migrant hospitality, horticulture, tourism and construction personnel.
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THIS.
Panel beating now called collision repairs is a dying occupation and has been for some time now.
Panel beating now called collision repairs is a dying occupation and has been for some time now.
But car collisions aint.
Yes Bert it ain’t just the lack of houses its the entire infrastructure buckling at the seams. Then we don’t have enough doctors, nurses, schools, teachers, sewerage and water systems aren’t coping and when the mass workforce come are they bringing their elderly parents so more pressure on our hospitals.
We once deemed we had the workforce, these days after 40 years of the rogernomes legacy of third world wages we throw our hands up in the air and gnash our teeth! Pity help us all if this generation had to fight the second world war! Truth is we don’t need that many migrant workers, we have enough labour here if we start NOW! And get those wages up to incentivize New Zealanders , – then you’ll see some action !
Yes 4 million population in 2010, 5.1 million 2021 and infrastructure, health and education now xant cope and people can’t do the math when this all started.
Bert
Yeah I did the maths and I know you are trying to point it all to John Key, fine, have fun, go ahead. It started well before that. NZ politics for the last 3..4..5 decades has become ‘reactionary’ not visionary. That’s because Govts only ever plan for the next election. Just the other day Jacinda in an interview referred to the population as ‘our voters’…not New Zealand’s people or our citizens. Sadly, all politicians think like this now. The 3 year cycle is simply not enough to put big plans in place that are irreversible. Look at Labour now, shutting down the highway constructions. Yesy theu may not like them, but they should be able to shut down projects that were signed of!!! And say they had gone ahead with the bike bridge as planned, then National would shut that. Collins, every second day, will say ‘we’ll reverse this and we’ll reverse that’. And if National was govt now, then Labour would say the same. Necessary projects and legislation barely sees the light of day, only sideshow stuff like the ‘free speech bills’. Nothing is ever well planned, just well announced. No deep thinking goes into stuff, as long as it sounds sexy…they even give things ‘marketing names’, like ‘shovel ready’..remember? How many projects are shovel ready and how many have started? Almost none. And if so, then National would stop them if they became govt. We all suffer from ‘3 year long election campaign after 3 long year election campaign’. I mean we still have 2 years to go and already it sounds like they are all in election mode. Look at It’s fucked! There needs to be some system whereby govt are forced to adhere to their announced plans, I mean how can a govt be allowed to abandon a project as important as Kiwibuild??? That’s like voter fraud!
This tells you everything you need to know: “NZ Transport Agency, now Waka Kotahi, has increased its PR staff from 26 to 72.” Folks we are talking about a transport agency here – they are supposed to get on with building roads, not fucking PR!!!!!
We will have surplus accommodation when baby boomers are mostly gone with all the elderly homes built to captilize on our ageing population. What will become of all this surplus accommodation, trouble is that is at least twenty plus years away.
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