China manipluates a stupid NZ into endorsing Uyghur torture

1. I’m assuming gulag is an euphemism. These are almost identical to Nazi work camps (not the death camps they were different). Would we do business with the Nazis?

   And before you get smug on the left – the Blairite is up to her ears in Chyna as much as Key was. There is going to be some challenging foreign policy issues in the next 24 months as it’s a safe bet some more info around these camps gets out in the media

   • MSM Smear Merchants Target Critics Of Establishment China Narratives https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/msm-smear-merchants-target-critics-of-establishment-china-narratives-efcbe9c503aa

     People get smeared for bucking the British Bullshit Contractors, otherwise know as the BBC* …
     as explained in the link above.

     The reply from the real Journalists at the GrayZone, should have people wondering if they WANT to believe every Trump like slur against the Usa’s enemy / challenger …. Chinese, the new Mexicans.

     Max Blumenthal; “Since The Grayzone — an independent outlet which, contrary to your McCarthyite insinuations, is not funded by any state — repeatedly exposed Washington’s favorite Xinjiang expert Adrian Zenz not merely as a fraud, but as an anti-gay, far-right evangelical thirsting for the Rapture, Cold War ideologues like yourself who have relied on his dubious research have waged a desperate campaign to suppress our factual journalism.”

     So the witnesses or ‘sources’, for the supposed millions in concentration camps , and where the BBC suggests the dirty chink guards concentrate on rape and organ harvesting ,,,,,Is A Zenz

     ,,, ,, Adrian Zenz a anti-gay, far-right, don’t spare the rod and hit children for Jesus disciplinarian, evangelical thirsting for the Rapture zealot ,, a fraud who works for the “Victims of communism memorial foundation” ,,,,, and he also works for lots of Dirty Politics media ,,,,, I wonder if TVOne-DP paid him for his spin.,,, and who else is paying him???.

     TVOne-DP https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/un-foreign-governments-need-take-action-chinas-forced-sterilisations-uighur-women-expert-urges **

     ‘The National Endowment for Democracy’, a CIA money pump and usa state department operation birthed by Ronald Reagan,,,,,,funds propaganda mills such as ‘ Uyghur World Congress’, Coda story , radio free Asia….. ……..And Bingo ,,,,Frank the Tank talks about work and rape concentration camps as if he was a inmate.
     22 mins 30 secs https://youtu.be/3JTgnAKWmMA

     The same septic Frank talks about not getting high and mighty about things like starving Children to death ,,,, and all the other things which are part of OUR culture when it comes to war or exploitation….

     If there’s a buck in it … https://s.abcnews.com/images/International/yemen-hunger-child-ap-ps-181121_hpMain_16x9_992.jpg

     Or judith Collins and the Nats choosing booze industry profits over beaten, abused or neglected children and general increased violence.,,,

     What NZ should do regarding china is stop helping Chinese corruption and money laundering ,,,,.
     ,,,,.Same for the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Papua New Guinea, Mexico etc etc etc.
     We should Stop siding with timber mafias, mining corporations, oil companies , weapons traders etc etc.

     The world should boycott the usa ,,, Martin Luther King is still right about them ,,, the ‘Greatest purveyors of violence on the earth’. ,,,

     And the yanks are the bastard children of the brits ,,, Just counting India alone, the British empire killed more people than the Nazis. ,,,

     Until we pull out of the 5 eyes Anglo crusaders club with our involvement in the Yemen Genocide,, and attempted starvation of Syria, Iran, Venezuela etc ,,,, until we get out of the siege and starvation business ,,,,then finger wagging at China has us just as stupid and hypocritical as the ‘exceptional’ yanks.

     * How come the BBC accuses all the enemies of NATO / 5 eyes as being rapists ,,, ie ‘the filthy hun’, Russian soldiers ( but not british ones ), Gaddafi, Saddams boys, Assange, the Chinese ….,,, Yet they shut the fuck up about the open secret and lifetime rapist Jimmy Savile,,, or British Parliament perverts for that matter..

     ** Someone should complain to TVone for presenting a fraudulent fundamentalist freak as reputable.,,,

2. Why are our leaders always the last to know about.. just about everything?

3. ooohh… “Mark” will have something to say about this, Martyn… and remember, it’s only ethnocide and genocide if the perpetrators are white….

4. That bloke Andy Foster is just another tory drone… No surprises that he, and his mates in the national party are happy to be used as bait to lure in the unsuspecting… They stitched us up good and proper when they had control in parliament, and now their barking dogs in local government are happily undermining our reputation, for their own benefit(who cares about the rest of us).. i think a case could be made to name The nats(colonial enablers) as a threat to our sovereignty.. They encouraged the sort of idiocy that led to the Christchurch massacre, spruiked incessantly for a Chinese led takeover of our property market, allowed thousands of elderly Chinese nationals to access The pension while fully aware of the ramifications of China’s “one child” policy… Handed over huge amounts of money that used to go to health and education, to private business to profit from( a lot of those created purely to gain access to the money flowing out of Wellington), recklessly encouraged house building on our most productive farmland in huge numbers9which is still going on today as a result of those actions).. What’s a little toadying compared to all that and more? They were always going to do exactly what they were told to do.. They do own the nats after all..

5. Cultural genocide sounds like the demonised “woke” language, or a white identitarian one. Why? There is no actual genocide going on and the frightened white male has all the power.

   The claim of genocide was invented by Trump to ensure the continuance of sanctions by the USA and use Biden’s multi-lateralism to herd other nations along like sheep (especially five eyes). Just as the term WMD was once used to justify war. Birds of a feather.

   For Trump the isolationist, opposed to trade, foreign policy is a tool to order the world in his own image – Putinesque strongmen presiding over a world in nationalist regressesion.

   It’s the same stupidity that preceded WW2.

   We need more internationalism – carbon tariffs as part of the WTO regime (and FTA – as per labour and environment standards), global warming co-operation, not less.

   What is happening in NW China is no worse than Turkey vs Kurds, Israel vs Palestinians and now India with direct rule over the majority in Kashmir. And to women in some Gulf states and some other Moslem nations. It’s a violation of human rights, it’s cultural suppression/opppression. But it aint genocide.

   The term cultural genocide is used by those who know it’s not actual genocide, yet want to cconvince people to deplatform some target.

   And we do have a choice. Saying we have no choice is neo-liberal Rogernome territory. We did not follow the USA into Iraq, out of the Paris Accord, out of WHO, deliberate unermining of the WTO, adoption of IHRA or a trade war with China under Trump. And just because Biden and Blinken are stupid enough to be led by the nose by Trump is no reason to do so now.

   There is no better time to practice an independent foreign policy than now. Just as it was back in the 1980’s when a nuclear free South Pacific paved the way for removal of missiles from Europe.

   How can anyone who wants the government to make brave economic chocies for the sake of those in need, want it to spineless on this – when that undermines the capability ot deliver?

6. Oh yeah, I can see America charmed by that approach from an ally. “We choose you to side with as the lesser of two evils!” and hereby bestow upon you the right to be our protector.

7. Living and working in China I did see some parallels with New Zealand.
   In areas like Inner Mongolia, Manchuria and Ningxia the original inhabitants are now outnumbered by settlers from another culture who treat them with a mixture of racist disdain and patronism. The same fate is intended for Tibet and Xinjiang.
   The Mongols, Manchus and Hui are now outnumbered by Han Chinese who impose their culture and language on them( similar to North, South America, Australia and New Zealand).
   For anyone interested in how Inner Mongolia( south Mongolia) became the blueprint for Han Chinese colonisation I suggest entering ‘South Mongolia Liberation movement’ into your search engine.
   When Polynesians here perform at cultural events they are applauded for enriching our society’s culture and making it more diverse.
   Similar lip service is paid to the performances of China’s ethnic minorities, both in China and overseas.
   When Maori here occupy a land area or challenge government to live up to their promises the Pakeha majority dismiss them for creating divisions ( we are all kiwis).
   In 1997 I was in Hohhot, the capital of Inner Mongolia, when Mongol students demonstrated at the lack of representation in Provincial government and urged the Communist Party to honour the promise of autonomy given to Mongols.
   Similarly the Tibetans press the Communist Party to honour the seventeen point agreement that grants Tibetan autonomy. It is worth reading some of this:
   ‘In accordance with the policy towards nationalities laid down in the Common Program of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC; 中國人民政治協商會議共同綱領; 中国人民政治协商会议共同纲领), the Tibetan people have the right to exercise national regional autonomy
   The central authorities will not alter the existing political system in Tibet. The central authorities also will not alter the established status, functions and powers of the Dalai Lama. Officials of various ranks shall continue to hold office.
   The established status, functions and powers of the Panchen Ngoerhtehni shall be maintained.
   The policy of freedom of religious belief as laid down in the common program shall be carried out. The religious beliefs, customs and habits of the Tibetan people shall be respected, and lama monasteries shall be protected. The central authorities will not effect a change in the income of the monasteries.’

   The Chinese Communist Party take these agreements about as seriously as successive New Zealand governments did the Treaty of Waitangi, the USA and Canada the various treaties they signed with native American nations.
   I have not even started on the multitude of other Asian ethnic groups that suffered from Han colonisation in both P.R.China and Taiwan( Tujia, Yi, Miao, Kazakh, Ama).
   It proves the truth of the Chinese proverb’ Easier to change rivers and mountains than to alter human nature’.
   Where greed and racism exist so will colonialism.
   There is a difference that here in Aotearoa I can recognise and condemn the evils of colonialism and work towards ending it.
   Citizens of P.R.China cannot. That is the major difference – not scenery or lifestyle.
   Long Live the Dalai Lama and liberation to the oppressed victims of colonialism everywhere.

8. right ……… we have to pick a side based on ALLEGED and unproven claims from the likes of the BBC ,,,, who BTW are proven propagandist liars with fake reporting in the cause of war for about as long as their existence. ie: ‘babys being thrown from incubators to die’ ,,, ‘weapons of mass destruction’ ……. ‘Gaddafis feeding Viagra to his troops for mass raping’ ,,, ‘Assads gas attacks’ ,,,, etc etc etc. “Reuters, BBC, and Bellingcat participated in covert UK Foreign Office-funded programs” https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/20/reuters-bbc-uk-foreign-office-russian-media/
   “Democracy Now hosts US gov’t-funded pundits to spread humanitarian interventionist propaganda about Xinjiang” https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/22/democracy-nows-china-state-departments-cold-war/

   And the lesser of the two evils is apparently sticking with the leader of the Anglo-pack who are engaged in a real and PROVEN genocide which is killing one child every 10 minutes ,,, and has already dragged us into participating in the starvation side of their, and now our, Yemen slaughter.

   We should all be ashamed of our ‘profit motive’ when this is OUR side product.
   https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2018/09/19/TELEMMGLPICT000175084905_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bqlz5OdA_D3VmrC4drz6CMya9AwgQD4Npf3GkFJvgcOWM.jpeg?imwidth=1400

   Imagine if it were some Maori parents who starved their child to death like in the image above …. Imagine the things that would be said about them ,,, imagine how we would speak about the people who knew and kept quiet or did nothing to prevent such cruelty ,,, imagine what Judith Collins would say about the culture which let such wickedness take place.

   Now is it racism or ‘wokeness’ behind our news reporting and public attitudes towards such things?? ,,, or greed.

   Personally I’d like consistency in our judgment and actions against evil ,,, and I certainly would not rely on Anglo-sphere media to inform me.

   Are the Chineese starving a child to death every 10 minutes,,, ?

   Perhaps their fight against terrorism is being twisted for western ends ?
   ‘Fighting terrorism in Xinjiang’ https://youtu.be/u4cYE6E27_g

   moderate Muslims seem more at threat from terrorists than Chinese ,,, judging from the murders and attacks shown in the video above.

9. So which country is the lesser evil? The country which has been involved in over 50 foreign wars in the last 100 years and assassinates foreign leaders. Or one that’s been involved in 2 wars and projects soft power with belt and road economic development.

   When Islam attacked America the response was war in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia and Syria. When Islam attacked China the response was “re-education”. It’s hard to weigh which is the lesser evil.

10. “We don’t want to be a puppet of America or China, but we are going to have to choose sides with the lesser evil.”

    Well…which side is the lesser evil???

    The side that has murdered over a million muslims in the past couple of decades, or the side who are taking an understandable and proportionate response to 10,000 ISIS returned terrorists in Xinjiang.
    https://jamestown.org/program/returning-uighur-fighters-and-chinas-national-security-dilemma/

    The fact is China has been too soft….hence the problems they now have. Chinese policies have made a rod for their own backs in encouraging separatism and overdoing cultural self-identity, before Xi came to power and did the right thing and started putting in sensible policies.

11. “We can’t keep trading with a regime as brutal as China especially when that trade is based on dairy which is a sunset industry!”

    So who do we trade with?

    • Not with tyrants, murderers, oppressors…

      You know, how China and its allies fouight against Japanese imperialism in the 1940s…

      • Would you do this in each and every case, or only where the USA said it was OK?

      • So who specifically, Frank, do we trade with? What countries are OK, in your mind?

12. “I appreciate the woke scream xenophobic whenever someone criticises China, but the woke have no idea beyond micro aggression policing”

    What planet you living on. Indeed it is the woke who hate China ….in all parts of the Western world ….the woke Guardian, BBC, and CNN for one

    Asians are largely not considered a designated victim group – because they are relatively successful, liberal whites can’t treat them like pets, and that pisses off people like yourself Martyn.

13. China is the center of hell, all evils came from china, china is a threat to the humanity!

14. The mutilation of Uighur’s culture in this way is purely grotesque. It needs to be seen for what it is: China flexing it’s muscle, taunting other nations and signalling that Beijing has no limits.

    New Zealand must take a firmer stance.

15. Good old Mark!
    What would we do without you?
    Not sure, but it would certainly be good to try.

    You know we lived comfortably without doing trade with China up until about 1972.
    Why can we not do it again?
    Especially as China do things like stealing our intellectual propert and buggering up shipments every time the Communist Party has a hissy fit about something someone said somewhere about the size of Xi Jin Ping’s pants( crap about Covid 19 entering the country on the surface of frozen goods).
    We stood up to brutal regimes before. My father successfully fought facism in Europe. Why can we not help to defeat it in China.
    Long live the Dalai Lama and let us drink to the health of a fully independent Taiwan and Xinjiang!

    • Would you find it strange, then, that the USA considered Tibet as the 5th great province of China, up until the moment that China became a communist country?

16. Followed your links reason.
    They do not prove that the BBC always lies or that the Chinese Communist Party ever tells the truth.
    It does indicate that governments try to manipulate news reporting. Nothing new or strange there.
    The fact is that within China the BBC is a trusted source that thousands of Chinese people listen to.
    The fact is that millions of Chinese people do not believe anything their own government tells them.
    My Chinese brother-in-law dourly observed to me, ‘ If telling lies was an Olympic event the Chinese Communist Party would take a gold medal every time.’
    Say hello to Mark in the next cubicle.

    • You can go say hello to all the little children we are helping starve to death in Yemen ,,,, Stevie.

      Do a tour of Afghanistan, Iraq , Libya, Syria and Iran while your at it ,,,

      Be like Joe Biden and the BBC ,,, don’t let facts get in the way of your truth.

      We are the good guys …. Biden Does Air Strikes Before Relief Checks! https://youtu.be/10w4MhIEr7Q

      Twitter Censoring Foreign Policy Criticism w/Max Blumenthal https://youtu.be/yI4AuWlO9iA

17. Reason WTF do people like you and Mark keep saying Two wrongs make one right.
    I say colonialism is bad anywhere – New Zealand , China or anywhere else.
    You say ‘go and do something about starving children in Yemen.’
    ‘Biden is a bad boy”
    Look everybody has the right to be stupid but you abuse the privilege.
    Long live the Dalai Lama and eternal damnation to the Chinese Communist Party.

18. Ha ha ha ,,,, you sound like your drunk on all the drinks you keep on having for the health of Taiwan and the idiotic dali lama .

    Do you think stevie was drunk too ,,,when he said his stupid comment about me posting from a ‘cubicle’ ,,,, or were you to stupid to notice his idiocy?…
    … Perhaps you are both paranoid padded rubber room inmates with internet access ?.

    Here’s some more info on the BBC / Reuters network of disinformation ,,, who’s ‘facts’ you get drunk on ….. CAUGHT: BBC/Reuters Paid To Do Government Propaganda https://youtu.be/eJ8mycEVgGQ

    https://youtu.be/u4cYE6E27_g

19. All the allegations of genocide in western media relating to Xinjiang can be traced back to one man. Indeed, if you click through to the newshub article and then through to the linked article on abuse of cotton workers in Xinjiang lo and behold there he is again, Adrian Zenz. This is the man who invented the million Uighurs in concentration camps by extrapolation of interviews involving a total of 8 people. But not only this. Who is Adrian Zenz? He is an extreme right wing fundamentalist nut case in the same league as Mike Pompeo, both of whom believe that armageddon is a necessary condition for bringing on the rapture and tgeir ascension to heaven as true believers. As SPC rightly states above, this is a narrative devised by the Trump regime that Biden doesn’t have the guts to walk back just as he is now reneging on the $2000 covd pay check and ending support for the medieval starvation siege of Yemen. Zenz has publicly stated that he is on a mission from God to destroy China. It shouldn’t be needing to be said that this is not the sorts of people we need to be leading our foreign policy.

    https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-media-reports-chinese-genocide-relied-on-fraudulent-far-right-researcher/

20. I’ve started following @urcommunistdad on Twitter for a different perspective on China. Also this piece tells a compelling story that punctures western (CIA) narratives

    https://www.qiaocollective.com/en/articles/war-on-china

21. “Shocking Investigation” Reveals China Buys Western Academics

    https://au.tesalate.com/

22. “Shocking Investigation” Reveals China Buys Western Academics

    https://au.tesalate.com/

    • sssshhhh don’t tell the nat’s ,,,, they might think it’s an excellent way to save money in education

      Also I’ve heard the CIA has Academics in their service and pay ,,,, imagine where this could lead ,,, https://i.imgur.com/EQiEBJs.jpeg

      “Long and sordid history

      There is a long history of co-operation and collaboration between American intelligence agencies and academics. Almost a century ago, the seminal anthropologist Franz Boas was ostracised for revealing that academics were serving as spies in Latin America, ” …. “It (CIA) has sponsored research and journals without publicly declaring its funding, and used academics to help produce disinformation and engage directly in activities related to spying…..

      Do you reckon our history departments taught about the cIA using air america to help break our 1951 waterfront strike RB ?.

      …. Anyway I think all spooks should be named and fired …. Like the Nats did with Jian Yang.

      Espionage and treason are the most serious types of domestic crime…. and we all know the nats are tough on crime.

23. “Shocking Investigation” Reveals China Buys Western Academics

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/shocking-investigation-reveals-china-buys-western-academics

    “A shocking investigation was just published by the French weekly Le Point on how Beijing is buying the favor of Western universities…

    … an impressive investigation by the French weekly Le Point on how China has bought the favor of many Western academics. “It is worthy of Aragon’s travels to the Soviet Union or the collaborators in Nazi Germany”, said Marie Bizais-Lillig, a colleague of Mestre. The reference is to Louis Aragon, the French writer who visited Soviet Union under Stalin and came back convinced of the genuineness of the communist system, and then dedicated himself to its defense.

    A survivor of China’s re-education camps in Xinjiang recently revealed what happens there. Gulbahar Haitiwaji had lived in France for ten years. Her husband and daughters had political refugee status, but Gulbahar preferred to keep her Chinese passport to visit her elderly mother. In November 2016, she bought a ticket to China, where she was swiftly deported to a re-education camp for her people, the Uyghurs. She was detained for two years before being released under pressure from France. Early this year, she published a chilling account, “Rescapée du goulag chinois”. [“Survivor of a Chinese Gulag”]

    …In France, during the past 15 years, 18 Confucius Institutes have been opened, ostensibly to teach Chinese and promote Chinese culture. In Europe, in 2019, Belgium expelled the rector of the Confucius Institute of the Free Flemish University of Brussels, after security services accused him of being a spy.

    A Tibet expert, Françoise Robin, of the National Institute of Oriental Languages ​​and Civilizations (Inalco), calls these institutes “Propaganda weapons”, In 2016, Inalco invited the Dalai Lama for a conference. “We received official letters from the Chinese embassy asking us not to receive him,” Robin said.

    In September 2014, Mestre’s faculty of law at Strasbourg University hosted a series of events on Tibet, with lectures, exhibitions, dances and concerts organized “at the request of the Consulate General of China in Strasbourg”, according to the terms of an email sent by the dean. “The inaugural conference assured [everyone] that Tibet was never annexed, [and] that the Chinese intervention of 1950 had been requested by the Tibetans,” Nicolas Nord, a law professor, recalled.
    Nicolas Nord, a law professor, recalled.

    The Economist recently suggested what the Chinese regime is really doing in Tibet: eradicating the influence of Buddhism from their people’s minds.

    That may be why the proposed new head of the CIA, William J. Burns, said that if it were up to him, he would close Confucius Institutes in Western universities. In Britain, they are also apparently worried — justifiably, it seems. According to the Daily Mail, hundreds of independent schools that were left in serious financial difficulty by the Wuhan Virus pandemic have since been targeted by Chinese investors. China is evidently seeking to expand its influence in the British education system, as they are in the United States. Seventeen schools in the UK are already owned by Chinese companies, and that number is destined to rise. In addition, The Times revealed that the University of Cambridge received a “generous gift” from Tencent Holdings, one of the largest technology companies in China involved in state censorship…

24. ….”At the time, many in the West could truthfully have said they did not know how many people had been killed or jailed by the Soviet regime. Today, we know a lot about China’s cruelty, including the mass murder by the Wuhan Virus that the Chinese Communist Party forced upon the world, first by lying that the virus was not transmissible person-to-person, then by stopping domestic flights from Wuhan but letting international flights continue. As a consequence, every country on the planet was infected, resulting in the murder of more than 2.5 million people.

    We also know about the number of people locked up in the laogai, the Chinese “administrative prisons” (estimated at 50 million). We know about the number of Chinese girls that the regime prevented from being born when the “one child policy” was in effect (estimated at 30 million). We know about the number of people killed at Tiananmen Square, the last time the regime was openly challenged by its citizens (estimated at 10,000).

    “Places inhabited by ethnic minorities, such as Xinjiang and Tibet, have stood out as shining examples of China’s human rights progress”, China’s Foreign Minister Wang Yi said hours before addressing the annual conference of the United Nations Human Rights Council. Probably even the Soviet Union could not have thought that one up.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/shocking-investigation-reveals-china-buys-western-academics

25. Confucious Institute, Goethe Institute, Alliance Francais, British Council, Hollywood. Take with a grain of salt.

26. Confucious Institute, Goethe Institute, Alliance-Francais, British Council, Hollywood. Take with a grain of salt.

27. At the end of time ideals, virtues and evidence are realpolitik. Machiavelli would agree.

    If not now … there’s no more when.

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