Dear ACT Party gun fascists – never, no, not in this lifetime, but thrash around more

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There seems to be an argument being forwarded by angry gun fascists who have now rushed to support ACT that this is what ‘we’ (civil society) get for banning their sub machine guns.

Let’s be as crystal clear as we can be to our dear gun fascists.

While there certainly is some over reach in Police power regarding their search rights when it comes to guns, that is a small price to pay to get rid of sub machine guns.

You were all offered a very generous gun buy back scheme so no one is interested in your bitching.

What the gun fascists don’t appreciate is that the rest of us in civil society never agreed to civilians owning bloody sub machine guns and if your response to that statement is ‘it’s technically not a machine gun’ that shows how far we’ve allowed these gun fascists to dictate the issue.

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If it looks like a machine gun, sounds like a machine gun and kills human beings with the ease of a machine gun, it’s a fucking machine gun.

I for one welcome the gun fascists swamping ACT because it robs ACT of any moral platform like Free Speech to fight from. All the rest of us need to know now about ACT is that they want to repeal the gun laws passed in the wake of the white supremacy terrorist atrocity, seeing as only ACT voted against that law, the only other Party with more fringe appeal is Billy TKs conspiracy that the Covid virus is bioengineered and spread by 5G.

So dear gun fascists, you go right ahead and support a far right political party and give them a 5% bump to teach us all a lesson and we will ensure that ACT are painted into a corner David Seymour is never allowed to leave.

You are never, ever, ever, ever repelling that gun law.

Ever.

But thrash around some more, the rest of us who want submachine guns taken off the streets like it when you struggle.

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55 COMMENTS

  1. The American “right to bare arms” has cost them countless deaths over the centuries and turned what was supposed to be a society of freedom from plutocracy and religious persecution into a modern day wild west.
    Do we really, I mean REALLY, want to go down that same path?
    I don’t think so.

    • Mike, more lives have been saved and rapes prevented, thanks to the 2nd Amendment than have been lost. Your ignorant opinion is invalid.

      • TGB
        Data please.

        In the USA 33 are killed with guns each day
        The genocide of American natives
        5 presidents shot
        Mass shootings in the U.S. reached a distressing level in 2019, a report released by the nonprofit Gun Violence Archive found. The report found there were 417 mass shootings, with 31 of the incidents classified as mass murders.
        Over 10 years 180 school shooting with 356 victims
        Ignorance of what gun toting does to a culture is prevalent to most Kiwis.

        Cowboys can get their kicks without guns or violence.

  2. Yes, ACT seem to have blown a golden opportunity here. Surely a principled focus on defending free speech would have had broader appeal than pandering to fans of semi-automatics.

  3. Gun fanciers who think they need guns to protect themselves from other gun fanciers [in times of peace] may fail to comprehend the bigger picture.
    Here’s a fellow who can comprehend the bigger picture.
    James Lovelock turned 101 last July 26th.
    Respect.
    https://boingboing.net/2020/08/04/watch-interview-with-james-l.html
    We’re all One, and the One is us all. Hurtling around the sun at 30 km a second while our solar system itself being part of our galaxy is expanding into the vastness of space like a fart in jerry brownlee but more classy.

    Of course, there’s always the other side of the argument.
    What would we do if we achieved a higher level of bongo drumming man bunnery while all singing kum ba ya as boat loads of heavily armed people announce ” What you got? Is now ours or we fuck you up son.”
    Not that long ago. Actually, about 50 years ago, ( fuck! ) my father took me shopping for a shot gun in Farmers and Haywrights, as it was known then. For perspective, that store’s now known as ‘Farmers’. We went down stairs to the sports department, bought an SKB 5 shot semi-auto 12 gauge after dad showed the staff member his drivers license then we loaded up and headed off. Done.
    We walked through Farmers with an open carry 12 gauge semi automatic shotgun and four boxes of shells and out to our unlocked car and no one blinked an eye and no one locked their cars either, why would they?? Stealing from an unlocked car was literally unthinkable, certainly in Southland.
    Then we headed home to sort out the rabbit issue. We were met with fierce resistance. For every rabbit we shot the rabbit’s breeder battalions went underground and fucked up more troops. It was a bloody battle.
    ( The irony isn’t lost on me, that we Kiwis have become well armed rabbits who now mostly shoot each other when we’re not eating or fucking. )
    @ MB. Banning doesn’t work. No matter the thing or substance, banning won’t work.
    What we had back in the 70’s? Was a different societal attitude. Political greed and piss poor management by psycho rabbits has robbed us of that more placid attitude which allowed us to move about more freely without friction.
    Greed, powerful fools, poverty, ignorance etc. They’re the real dangers. It’s those things which should be banned.
    ( Imagine a future world where guns could only be found in museums? A world where the air’s clean and the water’s drinkable? Where violence could be averted by a double dose of good E and a cuddle? Imagine? The Portuguese could help us with that. They’re already light years ahead of us in designing progressive social architecture for their future generations… Lets ignore the sad, pathetic and dubiously laughable U$A and all go to Portugal? Please? )

    • understand the pest problem understand the tool. I am so tired of the ignorance surrounding pest control. Ahh the urban rural divide, The majority of firearms owners use them as tools. Once again Bomber won’t print this because you have to support his blinkered understanding of this issue.

      • Pest control out here was already under regular control. Now, with this new legislation, another group of random individuals, as in NOT from on the particular farm or local area, can saunter in anytime and have a go at shooting whatever they bloody want! I’m still trying to get my head around it. There were no safety controls, no notification to anyone who lived in the spot where they were shooting. And, why so many hours in one spot? There are a couple of thousand acres of land around here. Why choose my backyard to shoot from? Why no explanation from them, other than town greenies saying, “There could be a wallaby somewhere on the loose”. (And there were NOT.) Give me a break!

        • who cares who has guns, i noted a post up there in relation to the 70s, I’ve had my firearms license for many years, i was born in the 70s, if i put a foot out of place i got a good swift kick up the ass by my parents or even an aunt or uncle with full permission from my parents, what have you got now days, a bunch of little assholes with no respect, look at what the kids have got to watch and play over the years which has led to a lot of kids just playing Xbox’s or PlayStation’s running around bashing and killing people and laughing, the United Nutjobs (UN) are what is fucking this world with their plans, don’t smack your child, look where the hell that’s gotten us, bunch of entitles little assholes, we as a nation have always had firearms, doesn’t matter if its a semi automatic, bolt action, shotgun, guns aren’t the problem, in the old days only one parent worked and one parent was able to stay home and take care of the kids and they got a decent up bringing, now days you have both parents working and in a lot of cases kids are left on their own, gee wonder what happens when kids are left on their own, in a lot of cases nothing good, Xbox’s and PlayStation’s are their entertainment, only takes one bad apple and things deteriorate rapidly into drugs, booze and maybe gangs in some cases, Society as we know it now is a big part of the problem

    • Kerala: “…those banned guns are to be allowed for “pest control”.”

      Ah. Now I understand where all that weaponry in your valley came from. Should we trust DoC and the like to be more responsible with such guns than were the former owners? Hmm….

  4. Act’s vote is going to go through the roof and with Judith they’ll form the next government.

    What’ll we get out of that happy marriage? Charter schools and any type of gun you want. So exciting.

  5. I remember Jacinda saying something to the effect of; ‘I was shocked when I learned NZ had some of the most liberal gun laws in the developed world’.

    I suppose the SUDDEN tightening of these laws would give gun enthusiasts quite the whiplash .. for that I’m sympathetic.

    Guns are expensive and bullets can only be fired once. To afford such devices requires a certain degree of income .. definitely a self-entitlement attitude is pervasive among certain groups of gun owners.

    Again, I am sympathetic towards the whiplash and feelings were used to paint over inconvenient facts – not an ideal way to legislate for sure.

    • The “Sudden” tightening of rules showed true leadership whether people liked it or not . So those complaining that Ardern is not a leader, bury your heads . The enthusiast still has their gun, just not the multiple murdering weapons they once had. Is that bad?
      I have no sympathy for the gun owner but plenty for the mosque victims, the school massacre victims around the world.

      • They didn’t want Arden or her government to have discussions and working parties and investigations on anything. They wanted action, they demanded, action, they wanted decisiveness. They got action, they cried like babies. The toughies, with their big guns, whimpering like bubbies.

      • I’d rather give them some sympathy than have them fester away. Besides, most of them are law abiding, if not outstandingly, upstanding citizens.

        What’s done is done .. we don’t have to rub salt in their imagined wounds. It leads to a bunch of Act Party acolytes, baptizing new converts into their fold.

  6. “angry gun fascists”

    Really?

    They would argue that it’s fascists (and communists) who ban guns, and historic evidence is on their side.

  7. If ACT are the only available partner after the election with no Labour majority then they have just got some serious bargaining power.

  8. to get rid of sub machine guns.

    Semis may be banned, but high powered military-style rifles can still be used, apparently, just about anywhere in NZ. Wherever you are outside of city limits, a small army of trigger happy folk can now turn up on your property at any time and start shooting whatever they like.

    They do not have to notify residents that they will be arriving, nor explain what they intend to do or what they are doing. “Private Property” and “Keep Out” signs are no deterrent. The only requirement is that some group of registered “eco-ists” decide that there may be “pests” there which need to be exterminated.

    Their definition of “pests” seems to mean, other than farm animals, any creature, any bird or animal, which was not in NZ pre-euro arrivals. ..No matter how harmless, or how many generations they may have been here. Apart from humans, generally, though with the lack of safety controls or prior warning it is a matter of time before a child swimming in the creek is accidentally shot, as well as any stray pets. (These operations are now happening all around AO/ NZ, so I understand.)

    • Kheala: “Semis may be banned, but high powered military-style rifles can still be used, apparently, just about anywhere in NZ. Wherever you are outside of city limits, a small army of trigger happy folk can now turn up on your property at any time and start shooting whatever they like.”

      I was generally in favour of tighter gun controls. Right up until, not long after the ChCh shootings, I heard sundry gang leaders and the likes of Hone Harawira say that the gangs weren’t going to give up their guns, cos it was a white fella who shot all those “blacks”, not brown guys.

      Then I read your account of what happened in your valley, and that’s reinforced my change of heart.

      I’ve come down on the side of those registered gun-owners who’ve objected to having their lawfully-owned property taken away. By and large, it wasn’t those people who committed gun crime in the past. A fortiori, it certainly isn’t them now. Yet gun crime has gone up in the past year. See this, which I also posted elsewhere on this thread:

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rnz.co.nz/article/3d35656a-a7a9-4d81-b9f7-40f228c925fe

      No prizes for guessing who’s disproportionately responsible for that rise.

      Now it looks as if conservation zealots with a saviour complex are attempting to shoot their way to an introduced-species-free utopia in NZ. Never mind the fact that a) it’s cruel and inhumane, b) it’s an unattainable pipe dream and c) the path to utopia is mined with unintended consequences. And the arrogance!

      With regard to gun crime in NZ, it’s always been pretty low, compared with, for instance, the US, yet it’s risen in the past year. In my view, the government’s reaction to the March shootings was misdirected. It took the weapons from the wrong people.

      • Now it looks as if conservation zealots with a saviour complex are attempting to shoot their way to an introduced-species-free utopia in NZ. Never mind the fact that a) it’s cruel and inhumane, b) it’s an unattainable pipe dream and c) the path to utopia is mined with unintended consequences. And the arrogance!

        Agree.

  9. CommunistS love disarming civilians. Then they can have full control. Let’s not act like democide hasn’t Killed more people in the last century than the odd gunman. If more people could defend themselves, these random shootings would be cut short. Your anti gun/ anti right to defend yourself is more dangerous than anyone who is pro firearms.

    • A license to own a gun in NZ is not for self defense.
      State you intend to defend yourself with a firearm and you won’t get a license and may never get one as you are an “unsuitable person.”
      I grew up in NZ when no police carried or had ready access to guns.
      We definitely don’t want to import more USA culture here.

  10. “is that the rest of us in civil society never agreed to civilians owning bloody sub machine guns”

    What an ignorant piece of shit. You have no right to tell someone else what they can have or not, it is NONE of your fucking business. Who is the god damn fascist, go look in the mirror, it isnt peaceful gun owners who are out hunting for their own food, it is shitbags like you who think they have some sort of high and mighty power over others to tell them what they can and cant do in their lives.

    • Let’s allow people to smoke dope because the negative consequences can be lowered through regulation but deny people the ability to participate in their heavily regulated sport which has operated safely for decades. The support for the governments overreaction is ideological hypocrisy.

    • John in NZ we have laws.
      You may not like them but we have them.
      People can tell you what you can and can’t do regarding firearms, cars, explosives and a heap of other regulated items.
      Is this news to you.

  11. Funny how people have lots of ideas on firearms owners and how they FIT into society. If they spent some time looking at firearms crime statistics in NZ perhaps they would have another look at all the changes that have been pushed through. They should email both Ron Mark and Stuart Nash and asked for the drop in firearms crime we can expect from the changes they are implementing. I doubt either of them are able to give a figure. Why dont you ask them first and see what the hundreds of millions that is being spent is actually going to do for NZs firearms crime rate?

  12. Let’s allow people to smoke dope because the negative consequences can be lowered through regulation but deny people the ability to participate in their heavily regulated sport which has operated safely for decades. The support for the governments overreaction is ideological hypocrisy.

    • James if you are referring to owning a firearms license then its like a car license. Break laws and you loose it.
      Hunting fatalities happen due to negligence usually. Early Blurr is not well understood but it is every hunter responsibility to learn about it and safe gun handling.
      Where is this over reaction.

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