Don’t get me wrong, I support gun registers and strict gun controls.
Your ‘right’ to have a toy that can kill as many humans in a short a period of time as possible is not a ‘right’.
But the main problem with the extension of gun controls was the simple irrefutable truth that the manner in which the Australian white supremacist managed to gain a gun licence because of underfunded police incompetence.
There’s no point in extending gun laws if the cops won’t police the existing laws…
Mosque terrorist was wrongly granted firearms licence due to police mistakes, sources say
The March 15 terrorist was wrongly granted a firearms licence due to a string of police failures, sources have told Stuff.
The terrorist, who pleaded guilty to New Zealand’s worst mass shooting in March, was not properly inspected by police vetting staff when he applied for a firearms licence in 2017.
Stuff has been told that, among other errors, police failed to interview a family member as required, instead relying on two men who met the terrorist through an internet chatroom.
The error was overlooked when police granted him the firearms licence, allowing the Australian citizen to stockpile the semi-automatic guns later used to murder 51 people.
…now let’s not pretend the old system was fool proof, but that the barest standards weren’t even applied is a shocking indictment on cops.
The gun lobby foaming about their rights to have military grade weapons for domestic protection is as inane as the woke screaming that because all white people are racist this is their fault.
Both sides are pushing their own agendas rather than focusing on keeping members of our community safe.
These Muslim lives could have been saved if the most basic laws had been applied by the Police.
These Muslim lives could have been saved if Muslim voices warning about a spike in street violence against them had been listened to.
These Muslim lives could have been saved if the SIS weren’t so busy chasing Environmentalists, Maori and Muslim students because they didn’t see far right white supremacists as a threat.
It’s the facts around this last point that will cause an eruption of anger.
There were very clear warnings that were utterly missed here and gun nuts wanting their machine gun fetish and woke activists pushing identity politics micro aggression policing aren’t part of the solution.
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Should I trust the police? Yes.
Do I trust the police? No.
There’s my problem, and the USA’s.
What does ” woke activists pushing identity politics micro aggression policing” mean?
Translation into plain English would be good
They’re economic illiterates but claim to have special skills or knowledge in the field of economics.
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MS – Try reading Green women’s pronouncements and opinions of specific ethnic groups and genders and all will be made clear – and send you running to the hills never to be seen again…
Woke (/ˈwoʊk/) as a political term of African-American origin refers to a perceived awareness of issues concerning social justice and racial justice. It is derived from the African-American Vernacular English expression “stay woke”, whose grammatical aspect refers to a continuing awareness of these issues.
Of course it does 😀 😀 😀
Lest we forget:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111438784/changes-to-gun-law-overseen-by-jacinda-ardern-described-as-crazy?fbclid=IwAR3YFRK1em8FiiGKm2whtFd2fSDAMG747XqUhDw_iV0tzLv6f1xZikFZN1o
We are always going to attract criminals and terrorists in NZ because we do not control our borders in line with modern society. Hence more and more problems are occurring, and so we are a soft touch for terror and criminal groups to operate from.
We probably even paid Tarrents accommodation and a benefit on top while he planned his attacks here…
Not just non residents, look how easy it is to get a NZ passport and citizenship while not growing up or living here, or their parents growing up and living here, and NZ citizenship gets inherited on in many cases …
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/121302846/colour-drained-from-real-estate-agents-face-as-he-realised-hed-been-defrauded-of-120k-in-sim-hijacking-scam
Time goes fast… these brains in the UK defence probably did not realise they would still be around to see the havoc their bad decisions have caused their country… https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/apr/25/mod-privatise-military-housing-disaster-guy-hands
same as NZ…. in 20 years we will have problems we never even dreamed about today, due to short sighted decisions made by today’s incompetent bureaucrats… who have zero risk control and let lobbyists wanting more fast food workers, to do their security planning for them ….
BTW don’t mean to imply fast food workers are more likely to be terrorists and there is nothing wrong with being a fast food worker.
But there needs to be a lot more concern in NZ about having a security policy that allows hopeless employers/recruitment companies braying for cheap workers and skills shortages bring in hundreds of thousands of people per year which only takes days and weeks, the flakey NZ degree to citizenship within a couple of years, helping identity fraudsters and criminals with fake drivers licenses https://thespinoff.co.nz/music/02-07-2019/the-extraordinary-story-of-love-brar-the-fraudster-who-became-a-pop-star/, not actually knowing what is going on and who is in the country https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/384041/sroubek-double-antolik-likely-to-have-visited-new-zealand and all these prosecuted cases, should be viewed as the tip of the ice burg of what is really going on in NZ, and what that might mean going forward.
There are strong links between money laundering, drugs crime and terrorism in the world and NZ is a soft touch for all of these, seemingly seeming to encourage the practise here in the pursuit of cheap money and zero interest in who is coming to live here and what they are up to. Instead we encourage anybody in the world to come here and then surprisingly are now being filled with criminals, that can vote in 1 year and get benefits within 2 years or immediately…
Tarrant described himself as a cryptocurrency trader and was allowed automatic weapons from the police as well as free entry to come and go… these drug lords also managed to live in NZ for 26 years and get NZ citizenship without every putting in a tax return https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11842563… the social harm happening in NZ is huge….
Soon we will be like Malta who sold EU passports to terrorists and drug lords, with car bombs killing the Panama Papers journalists and corruption at the highest levels of government.
It is much more possible with small counties to take them over with crime and corruption, than big countries.
When you look at licensing process it was a good system (but which needed improving)but it does not work if you don’t do it. The chch shooting was directly caused by recent shortcuts & failure to correctly impliment the the correct vetting procedure, the vetting officer, local arms officer, district commander and national HQ had to sign off for this licence to be issued. Then we had the irony of police writing new laws and a sheepish rubber stamping by politicians for placing blame on correctly licensed firearms owners. We still have no certain way of gauging the success of the arms buy up (more than just semi automatics were called for)and additionally no means of knowing success of any potential arms register, its sad to see the demonising of bone fide sporting shooters, hunters, collectors, farmers, and cullers, many of whom live and work far from the leafy suburbs of merivale, ponsonby and aro valley, the gentrified citizens whose outrage at the tragedy was missplaced.
You are so right @Mince on Toast. But speak out against the undemocratic idiocy of the Fire arms reform bill on this blog and you are branded a gun nut. Ron Mark and NZ First have managed to improve the second tranche of this shit useless Bill with the backing of Federated Farmers in regards to pest control. The Independent administration of licensing and registration is another improvement.BUT WE STILL HAVE WARRANT-LESS SEARCHES for all NZ licensed firearms owners, because we let non citizens have gun licenses still. This part of the law has not been touched. The Royal Commission is closed to the public. WHAT A FUCKING INSULT Jacinda! One can only conclude our PM really is a closet fascist.
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There must be some very good reasons the Royal Commission’s report will never be published. Who is being protected? The government neatly kicked all questions into touch by announcing the inquiry and now we have to wait years for it to be completed, but never know the answer.
As usual the media have been totally lame. No questions have been asked about the shooter’s background – was it too much to ask for a reporter to pop over the Tasman and ask about background?
We now know that after the Christchurch shooting, the NZ Police were issuing gun licences to gang members expelled from Australia so clearly they don’t access Aussie criminal records when assessing suitability for licencing.
It all stinks like hell
Sign of the times – they have the processes to vet the people applying, not not much in place to vet the vetters…. who the police seem to have failed to keep completely employment records of…
“New Zealand Police have been fined $7000 for failing to keep complete employment records.
The organisation has also been stood down from hiring overseas workers for six months, Stuff reported.
Police were placed on Immigration New Zealand’s stand-down list after the Labour Inspectorate issued an infringement notice against it, Stuff reported.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12312365
Not the only breach… your security is only as good as your police’s IT provider ….
Police confirm privacy breach on gun buy-back site, SAP apologises
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12290154
Meanwhile other countries are happily giving away every citizens medical data to private security companies… I wonder why the the private companies are doing the work for free and should they be allowed by governments to access millions of citizens data in the way to save a pathetic amount of money by bovine authorities and governments during disaster capitalism????
How CIA-backed Palantir embedded itself in the NHS
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/16/inside-story-cia-backed-palantir-embedded-nhs-socialite-running/
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2020/05/07/madness-of-palantir-being-given-mass-surveillance-tracing-contract/
There was a lot of NZers berating Maori for putting up road checks/blocks during the covid lockdown. Listening to the radio talk back the language and rhetoric was downright racist and nasty. But based on the recent incompetence of our government agencies, the Maori road blocks in my view have been justified. Why ? because Maori can’t rely on the state to look after us, they never have and they never will. They (the state) have failed us so many times and they continue to fail us but they cling on to there power like gladwrap. The two women from the UK bringing the covid here, the NZ Police and SIS failing us over the Chch white supremacist attack and now the health system report, highlighting the many decades of unfairness and mistreatment we have had to endure. I know this is true as I have seen and experienced this firsthand with myself and other whanau members. And yet when you try to challenge or call out this type of behaviour it can wear you down. If the covid problems continue who knows we might see more Maori road blocks with the government opening our borders who are the most vulnerable? and who and what do they really care about?
+1 Michelle, Māori were right to do what they did.
As for listening to talk back radio shows, if you want to hear the views of the most ignorant people who have nothing better to do… however let’s not think that speaks for most people…
Is it still BLM this week or did it morph to Maori statue self righteousness week?
Have you seen the latest on the two kids than ran away while on special leave for a funeral- gang funeral it turns out.
Real big on safety, hey weren’t some gang members running the road blocks?
This is not new information. Joe Green, former head of firearms licencing, raised this issue in March last year – https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018687717/ex-firearms-control-boss-raises-alarm-over-gun-licence-vetting – in the rush to change laws his comments were quickly ignored and forgotten.
Last year, during the submission process for the 2nd round of firearms law changes, an ammunition dealer who had sold ammo to Tarrant via mail order, submitted as part of his submission, the ammunition mail order form sent to him by Tarrant. This form contains details of the purchasing licence holder and has to be signed off by a police officer. It includes the expiry date of the firearms licence. Tarrants expiry date was 19/9/27. Licences are dated from time of issue which indicates Tarrants licence was issued in September 2017, not November as the police claim. This is concerning because it would seem not only was he not vetted correctly, he also had a licence within 5 weeks of arriving in country (In comparison my licence renewal in 2018 took 3 months, including a much more in-depth interview process than when I originally got it, and unlike Tarrant both my referees lived in the same town as me), and also the police seem to be lying about the timeline. This particular submission was being livestreamed but once the order form and the details it contained were mentioned, the chair of the committee had the livestream cut.
There is something off about this whole situation
Yep the authorities seem to be burying all the relevant information on Tarrant to avoid embarrassment or in a woke attempt to fight not let him have his say… all so that the truth will not come out and it keeps happening…
Inside sources have indicated to the royal commission that Police were spending only 50% of their allocated firearms administration budget on that, and using the rest for “other”.
Let’s hope the 51 victims families sue for criminal negligence.
It might be worth noting, that even if the Police had follow process correctly with Tarrent’s licence and (maybe) rejected him, he still might have got firearms illegally or chosen one of the other methods he mentioned in his “manifesto”, bombing, etc.
The SIS/GCSB still wouldn’t have spotted him, cause they were looking for his type.
You’d think a recent resident arming up big time might raise some red flags but apparently not to our security services…
But like not being able to build a house anymore in NZ or even a slide under $500k, I guess if they can’t even organise to test quarantine residents coming to NZ, or pilots just quarantine for 2 days when it takes 14 days to see Covid, as it somehow anybody with a functioning brain got missed from our processes….
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