The Cost Of Compromise


IF THE GREENS are to survive 19 September, they’ll need to draw inspiration from – of all people – the Nazis. Preposterous? Only if you refuse to understand that both the national-socialist and green movements have at their core an unwavering conviction that if they fail, then everything they hold dear will be lost. What separates the Greens from the Nazis is, of course, what they hold dear. Hitler and his followers were fighting for a myth – the German volk. The Greens are fighting for the survival of a very real and very vulnerable biosphere.

But what sort of inspiration could possibly be drawn from the political tactics of the most evil political party in human history?

The answer can be summed-up in a single word: compromise. If you believe yourself to be in the midst of an existential struggle; and that every day which fails to bring you closer to absolute victory brings you one day closer to absolute defeat; then compromise isn’t just ill-advised, it’s morally indefensible. The goal must be power. Not power in combination with others, but power alone. Power that can be wielded without reference to anybody else. Absolute victory – the salvation of the biosphere – can only be secured by winning absolute power.

This was Adolf Hitler’s crucial insight. He looked at the Weimar Republic, with its pure system of proportional representation, its multitude of competing parties, its fragile and ineffectual coalitions, and he bet his entire movement on the German electorate growing increasingly impatient with the political paralysis in Berlin. For a few years, from the mid-1920s until the onset of the Great Depression in late-1929, it looked as though he would lose his bet. But the collapse of the German economy, the descent of millions into poverty and despair, and the complete failure of “democratic” politics to meet the crisis, saw the Nazi’s share of the vote skyrocket.

Hitler’s contemporaries expected him to do what any other party leader would do in the face of such unanticipated electoral success: cut a deal. But the Nazi leader wasn’t interested in deals. Why would he enter into a coalition with the very parties who had proved themselves so incapable of doing anything to alleviate Germany’s suffering? Openly contemptuous of his electoral rivals, he didn’t promise to work with them, he promised to abolish them. Only one party, he said, could rescue Germany: the National Socialist German Workers Party. It would govern alone, or it would not govern at all.

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As conditions in Germany grew steadily worse, and as the political centre crumbled and fell apart, it became clearer and clearer to the state bureaucracy, the army and the large capitalists, that if the Nazis were not given what they wanted, then an increasingly desperate German electorate would shift its support to the Communist Party. Rather than make a red revolution inevitable, the powers-that-be made a brown revolution possible. On 30 January 1933, Hitler was appointed Chancellor. Within six months his National Socialists were wielding absolute power. It was given to them to save Germany, but tragically they came close to destroying it. The human cost of Nazism’s fanatical pursuit of racial purity was colossal and its ultimate failure inevitable. Why? Because the German volk wasn’t real.

But anthropogenic global warming – climate change – is very real. And every day that is lost to compromise and drift does indeed bring global ecological catastrophe closer. Whether they are willing to admit it or not, everything human-beings hold dear is at risk of being overwhelmed by a disaster greater than any which has hitherto confronted human civilisation. To avert this impending global tragedy an international political movement is required. A global movement which absolutely refuses to compromise with the political, bureaucratic and corporate entities whose failure to take decisive action to combat climate change imperils human survival – along with that of just about every other life form on the planet.

The leaders of green parties around the world have largely chosen to turn their faces from this most urgent of political priorities. Rather than take a bet on the peoples of the world growing increasingly willing to throw their support behind an uncompromising international movement dedicated to radically reducing greenhouse emissions and implementing a “Green New Deal” to redirect the world economy away from fossil fuels and exploitative industrial production, these green leaders have opted to “do a deal”. They have joined hands with the very people who created the crisis and who have consistently declined to end it.

New Zealand’s Green Party has proved to be no exception in this respect. Its co-leader, James Shaw, not only refuses to bet on the people coming round to the need for urgent and ruthless change, but he has also fetishized “compromise” to the point where any attempt to draw a line in the sand is met with a rolling of eyes and statements like:

“Finding the path of least resistance. There’s that horrendous phrase about politics being the art of the possible, which can be read two ways.

“You can do things, it’s a really expansive notion. And there are some moments where we have changed things.

“And then there are others where you can only do what is possible. Maybe moving from naivety to experience is being able to live in both those worlds at the same time.”

Unfortunately for Shaw, humanity has only one world to live in, and it is running out of time. As the climate crisis deepens, and the failure of democratic politics to adequately address the need for radical change opens the way for more uncompromising parties, the politicians who continue to throw in their lot with the problem, rather than the solution, will be swept aside. For Shaw and his increasingly irresolute colleagues the electoral broom is approaching with unnerving speed.

Over the past three years, all the voters have received from the New Zealand Greens are pallid non-solutions. These, the fruit of the party’s craven unwillingness to call Labour and NZ First’s bluff, have been justified as the best outcomes available from a dispiriting range of “realistic” options. Together, they have brought the Greens’ nothing but a steadily declining share of the Party Vote. Political “realism” is Labour’s brand. If all they are offered in September is a choice between compromises of ever-decreasing effectiveness, then many Green supporters may elect to make no choice at all.

The only virtue to which the Nazis may lay claim is their willingness to risk everything for the opportunity to put their ideas to the test. Their unwillingness to compromise with reason cost humanity dearly. How supremely tragic (and ironic) it will be if the Greens’ willingness to compromise with greed and selfishness ends up costing humanity everything it’s got.



  1. A great story Chris. But more to the point, the Green hierarchy has been taken over by politicians who are either (1) more interested in identity politics than the environment, or else (2) see the two as inextricably bound up (which is false). The Greens’ boldest, most “uncompromising” statements in recent years have had nothing to do with the environment:

    • Pope P – I agree. You could also have well referenced Davidson’s – and I think Gilrahman’s- anti-white speech at the Auckland mosque massacre vigil; it was ignorant and inflammatory – unacceptable from persons fools may believe or copy.

      I already think Davidson Hitler-like in seemingly hating on one racial group for all of the country’s woes; her ‘cunt’ issue was just student canteen level talk – surprising from a middle-aged woman though. (My advice to young women would be not to tell your doctor that you have a sore cunt – more so while the planet melts.)

      I struggle to see Davidson, Gilrahman or Swarbrick as Green, apart from the latter being the patron saint of marijuana, whose seeming contempt for those who may be older and wiser or more knowledgeable than she is, is trite assessment of the so very many who have worn their boots and their lives out on behalf of others. Another long-term Green supporter recently described them to me as “shit-stirrers ” – not in a positive way.

      Compromise suggests principles which may not be readily evident in the current crop of Greens – I’m not sure why some of them are there – I know mums and dads infinitely more concerned about the future and the earth.

  2. A good article Chris.
    I agree with PPII….. the Greens must get focused on their core principles and get disciplined – especially Marama and Golriz! Time is running out and we cannot afford any more own goals (or I’ll be reclaiming “that” word !).

    • I agree with Garabaldi 100%.
      The greens are copping out at present with James Shaw saying (my words) “we can only do what we can”

      We say this is not good enough for a once in a planetary moment of immerse calamity about to overtake our lives’ – His message was simply “softy softly catchy monkey” but we don’t have time.

  3. Well Chris the problem is that not enough people, some of them appropriately qualified scientists , believe that CO2 is making, or will make any significant difference to the world’s climate. It is socially suicidal to voice doubt in the present state of the debate, so most doubters don’t make a big noise about it, but without all those people being convinced, especially among politicians who’s political careers depend on not being a “climate denier” , nothing is going to actually change. So depending on how soon the “science” proves the world is going to end if we don’t reduce CO2 emissions we, or at least some of us will live to see if the “science” was right or wrong.
    If we are to actually reduce CO2 emissions it is going to be at the personal level. All the people are going to have to take it into their own hands individually, privately. Not by holding public demonstrations or writing comments and articles about it, but by organising their own lives so that the don’t use anything that is dependent on the use of fossil fuels. That includes the internet of course. But most agitators for climate change action want the government to force other people to make the sacrifices rather than change anything much in their own lives. To ban exploration and utilisation of our own deposits as if this will magically create an alternative method of maintaining our comfortable existence.
    The other Bete Noir that oppresses us is the debt mountain and the price of housing and access to the money to buy one.. If everyone resolved as I did 50 years ago after a nasty experience early in my life, that I would manage my affairs without borrowing from a bank, and curtail my ambitions to fit within the parameters that that determination allowed , then house prices would be at what most people could afford by saving for a few years and using only their own money. The banks could not dominate us without our co operation. And in the same way the fossil fuel industry could not dominate without our co operation , but it is no more likely that everyone will do for themselves what is necessary to stop using fossil fuels than it is that everyone will agree to stop borrowing money from banks.
    D J S

    • ‘But most agitators for climate change action want the government to force other people to make the sacrifices rather than change anything much in their own lives.’

      Really? And on what evidence do you base that assertion?

      • I should have said there are notable exceptions AFKTT but almost all my acquaintances are examples of lovely genuine people who are concerned and committed to the mainstream belief the same as you . One or two have adopted a lifestyle that is minimalist; driving very fuel efficient vehicles and as little as possible, but by and large the vast majority are living normal lives in Auckland, driving as they need to though one runs miles every morning and night to work at the museum but that is to keep fit rather than to save emissions. That normality is not enough to make a difference.
        I respect your position , and I accept that mine is eccentric in having the temerity to disagree with the advice of the body of scientists engaged by the UN to determine the outcome of what we are doing. But in trying to understand the science I am not able to accept their reasoning and arrogant though it is to disagree , I would have to lie to pretend I did not, though that would be socially a more comfortable part to take.
        Cheers D J S

        • ‘committed to the mainstream belief the same as you’

          David, you have made yet anther completely unfounded assertion.

          For your information, I am nit committed to any mainstream beliefs. Indeed, I spend most of my time on this blog challenging them and pointing out their flaws.

          I do study the basic science and make logical inferences. I’ve been doing that for about 55 years.

          • Surely you do not claim that your position on CO2 emissions causing a warming of the climate is not mainstream, in that it is what the majority of people accept at this point. This is the subject of the discussion. I made no implications about your position on other subjects.
            D J S

  4. You made an incorrect assumption Chris:

    “The Greens are fighting for the survival of a very real and very vulnerable biosphere”

    If only!

    If they’d stick to their knitting they might do better – hey, even I’d vote for the Greens if they were actually a competent environmentalist party. As it is, none of the leadership have any environmental science qualifications and it shows in their misguided policies, such as their failure to back the extension of marine sanctuaries.

    They have issues like Davidson swanning off to Gaza in a virtue signalling exercise and the rest tinkering around with off-topic issues like ‘social justice’, whatever that is. The environment doesn’t give a damn about ‘social justice’.

    • Yes Andrew, the Greens need to return to the days when they reminded the country how National would destroy our country through drilling, fracking and eroding. That’s when the Greens were at their best , that’s when they drew a line in the sand of a sustainable land vs a land being crippled.

    • Just think that the Greens would have the Kermedec Sanctuary and cameras on fishing vessels if they’d gone with National…instead they have nothing. Notwithstanding that their greatest success was the home insulation policy that, wow who would believe it, was also passed with the support of National.

      Labour lap dogs again and again

      • Agree, the Greens are so far up Labours arse they can’t see the light for the few miserly turds they are being thrown.

        Wait until Labour comes under pressure during some elction thing, they will throw their own Ministers under the ‘It wasn’t us it was a Green Party Minister who did that bus’

        • Yknow if you’re to shy to say it what with everything going on it’s Māori who gets thrown under the bus first if anyone was to be thrown under the bus and everyone damn well knows it.

      • Lap dogs maybe but still in parliament. Unlike Maori and United Future whom went with National and settled for oblivion. The biggest lapdog in political history ACT who bends over for National every 3 years.

  5. Sadly most of the Greens MP’s are in the wrong party. They should be in Labour. There is zero difference between the Greens and Labour that I can see, therefore you might as well vote Labour.

    Likewise you might as well vote The Maori Party or previously parties like Mana for their social welfare packages than the Green Party.

    The Green Party today is not that environmental… There seems to be zero environmental focus, and even what they used to campaign for that was tangential, which is buy local produce is now a joke because the local produce is increasingly owned by overseas giant corporations signed off by the Overseas Investment Office which the Greens have a Ministers in.

    OIO has become a rubber stamping joke, like the environmental protection agency that just sued Greenpeace for costs rather than the polluters…

    I just don’t know, whether to vote for Greens out of nostalgia of policy past, or vote someone else…

    There is no political party who genuinely campaigns for the environment anymore, so do you just keep voting hoping they will change or for that ideal?

    • Na imo the party caucus and rank and file have much more in common with National, the r/f members as well as caucus are usually very rich, white and have no interest in collective issues apart from welfare they are absolutely consumed with individualist upper middle class identity issues. Where as Jacinda had to be installed by caucus to avoid a primary as she would never have won the left or unions over and never won the leadership. Apart from young Labour, caucus and certain party dinosaurs the rank and file of labours membership is still highly working class and union oriented and most of the rank and file think the greens are a bunch of alt medicine conspiracy theorist, rich militantly woke nut jobs who the first thing they did in govt was give the nats their questions and call Little corrupt for briefing them, we call them vegan Nats on bikes. There’s a lot of respect for the rod Donald generation of the greens but this lot naaaah. Labour has many issues but we don’t need a bunch of neoliberal woke vegans on bikes flooding the party and further outflanking the working class members

      • You make some excellent points CoreyHumm.

        I only disagree with you on one point: While Labour’s base membership is indeed unionized, it ceased to be working class decades ago. Today over 50% of union members are teachers and most of the rest are government employees such as nurses, cops, corrections, university staff etc. All these are middle class.

        This is reflected in today’s Labour cabinet – none were ever working class, most are tertiary educated and none ever got dirt under their fingernails.

        • But does it matter Andrew, Brownlee was a woodwork teacher who failed UE twice, so if your holding Labour cabinet minister to the same standard as National ministers then you are deluded.
          And don’t get me started on Nick Smith, you’d embarrass yourself.

  6. I disagree entirely with Trotter’s premise. Not only do the ends not justify the means, but in a very real sense; the means are the end!

    However, I do understand the frustration (often) nonGreen Party members have at; the GP not staying in (what is perceived to be) their lane of being exclusively an environmentalist party. They are wrong, and have chosen not to contribute to; the evolution of the GP from the Values Party, through their shaky alliance with the Alliance, to the present day; for whatever reason.

    If you want to change the GP, then join and participate in the GP. It is more tedious, and frustrating, to build rather than tear down, but it has some chance of achieving something. Or go start your own Eco-fascist party if you think that will achieve anything besides stroking your own ego.

    • Most pundits don’t under stand how racism is unfolding in the U.S and how it ties in to the greater scheme and you seem to be one of them, Mr Forget now. Specifically racism ties into New Zealand through social ferment starts as an individual who gets fed up and builds into a global experience which has a lot to do with the corona virus isolating everyone for 6 months.

      I’m upset because the police harassed me, cops watched and did nothing as my cousin was stabbed to death. If unrest is significant enough it becomes a movement where others follow and it becomes organised. After getting organised we have institutionalization and the movement from social ferment to organization happened like that and so to will the shift to institutionalization for anyone with even half the skill of Hitler.

      Hitler wasn’t the first time, it’s happened with other movements the Arab Spring, apartheid and so on and so on. But pretty much from an organised perspective and social movement from the Martin Luther King days to the Black Lives Matters movement. BUT the movement from social ferment to organization AND then to institutionalization happened in about a week which Iv never seen before and I don’t think anyone’s seen that before.

      The combination of being on lockdown, access to the Internet and the ability of everyone to be there own newscaster, and the pressure mounting on politicians, bureaucrats, administrators and dissatisfaction with police is the lever everyone is pulling on to show dissatisfaction with the current American President and then it follows its way all the way down. Now I don’t want to be a doomsayer but that is a very significant part of the puzzle of social unrest because there’s a lot going on.

      If you factor in the bursting of the everything bubble made up of the Dotcom collapse, the 2008 meltdown, the end of the 50 year bond market boom, low interest rates in combination with the coming disillusion of unemployment numbers and the pandemic shutdown that will in my opinion will depending on how the depression plays out will benefit New Zealand by excising racism it will New Zealand will be inclusive towards more of other countries talents, dynamics and gender diversity into the upper realms of wealth and power and capital.

        • Nope. There was a slim chance of growing green jobs, wealth and prosperity before corona hit and now that The Reserve Bank owns at least 30% of the New Zealand stock market as per it’s corona bond policy has to be repayed through increased taxes and / or increased trade. That’s what’s going on in the real economy.

          The fake economy which has decoupled the stock markets from the real economy which is the reserve bank boosting asset prices has everything to do with social unrest and WHY precicly The Green Party has been under performing because as asset prices go up and banks continue to invest in unproductive housing speculation the real economy gets poorer and know one knows why, well none of the woke greens know because they’re to busy focusing on their feelings and that’s all there educational background will allow, they just don’t have the educational background to be able to imagine the dark arts.

          I mean James Shaw got a black eye, sure. And I could forgive woke greens for assuming that it was to do with patriarchal forms of power and domination because it does frankly. But that ignores the cause of this random assault which is the Reserve Bank inflating asset prices and widening inequality.

          Now what we do about this and what the Greens have to do about this is tackle unemployment head on and I’v seen people like Weka denounce Labours jobs programmes and she’s absolutely wrong, taxes have to go up and trade has to be diversified. Yknow if you get the big things correct and you only have to be 40-60% correct on the big issues then all the minor decisions like words, cunt, people, feelings and so on and so on, all those decisions just go your way when you get the big things correct.

      • Sam

        My condolences for your cousin. However you are not the only person to be harassed by the police. If you are urging violent revolution in response to social oppression, I must say that I disagree. For one thing; it is those who are best with violence who will prevail, and that is unlikely to be the side of reason and equality.

        My comments are meant to be taken in the context of our current MMP representative democracy. Though I am not entirely against people taking whatever direct action they may deem necessary, so long as they understand the consequences first. Also, not; Mr, just; Forget Now, or FN, will do.

        • Hi Mr now.

          I just want to say that if I did not insert the words “violent revolution” in to my comments above, then you did.

          • Sam

            Your words are such an incoherent muddle, that it seemed possible such was your intent. I hope that you are finding the typing therapeutic, as it certainly doesn’t effectively communicate meaning to others.

            • If you don’t like it then give us a tldr about why you think Chris is wrong so I don’t have to give you a tldr about why I think he’s correct, based on evidence of course.

    • It’s disingenuous to talk about the Greens “not staying in their lane”. The main lane of the Green Party hierarchy is now identity politics. That’s evident from the way all most of their radicalism is related to identity politics rather than climate, as exemplified by the links I posted above. They are now a Green party in name only, unlike when I voted for them in 2008, when Jeannette Fitzsimmons was still in charge (was she an “eco-fascist?).

      As for changing the Green Party, I think the only thing that will achieve that is electoral annihilation – which might be just around the corner.

      • PPII

        It may be your perception that the GP is all about IP, but I would rather say that they have a wide range of constantly developing policies (not all of which fit neatly into the categories of; environmentalism, or identitalism):

        Is it likely that anyone in the GP agrees with every single one of these policies in each punctilious detail? No. I certainly don’t myself! However, the political system currently in place in Aotearoa means that it is necessary to form groups with common political interests to represent these in parliament. Jeanette Fitzsimons was an electorate MP only for a single three year term of her long (14 year?) parliamentary career. She was certainly no Ecofascist, neither were; Donald, Norman, or Turei, and nor are; Shaw, or Davidson.

        Labour are polling well, so the GP are polling poorly. This should not be a surprise to anyone with even a passing knowledge of NZ politics. I am more concerned that the GP will get under 7% than under 5% this election. That is why I am volunteering to assist my local GP campaign. If you have a party that you believe represents your interests better, then you are welcome to do likewise for them (or start your own, if you are a real glutton for punishment). That is the basis of our democracy after all, not the utilization of despicable tactics in pursuit of worthy causes (as Trotter, hopefully somewhat facetiously, appears to be suggesting).

        • Cripes, am I talked to the official GP spin doctor? It’s’ my “perception” that the Greens are now mostly about identity politics? (pay attention, I didn’t say they were ALL about identity politics, but the examples mentioned by myself and others in this thread show that’s where their radicalism is).

          You’re quite right of course in saying that success in politics involves developing a broad support base of “groups with common political interests”. Do you think the Greens are going to achieve that by telling old white males to step aside, and blaming Kiwi “racism” for an atrocity committed by a certifiable foreigner who took advantage of our flaccid gun laws?

          If the Greens were serious about the environment, they would focus on the environment, drop the divisive rhetoric, and field more candidates with environmental qualifications. They would recognize that many Kiwis of diverse backgrounds and political persuasions want more focus on the environment – but that the many are being alienated by the identity politics rhetoric.

          • PPII

            I live in Dunedin, which has a GP mayor, and I did play a small part in making him so. He is a pakeha male. The candidate for the Taieri (used to be South Dunedin) electorate whose campaign I am volunteering to assist is likewise a pakeha male – with grey hair even. Though he has little chance this election unless the Party vote cracks 10% (which is unlikely). One problem with the list ranking procedure, is that it does reward the name recognition of sitting MPs.

            Speaking to GP MPs, officials, and other party members it is all too clear that they; see the social and physical environment as inextricably bound up; which, unlike you, I do not believe is false.

            102 days from now we will be able to see if more than 5% of the voting public agrees. Though admittedly the international vote may take a bit longer.

            • You’re so well versed in obfuscation and fact-bending that I thought you must have been a professional – and look at that, I was on the money.

              More obfuscation in your second paragraph – contrary to your claim, I do recognize links between the social and physical environments. And it’s not about “belief” as you put it in your postmodern way – it’s about evidence. For example, our user-pays approach to most things in NZ (thanks, Sir Roger) means some poor people toss their rubbish over the nearest bank, rather than taking it to the dump where they would have to PAY to have it disposed of.

              But how is scapegoating a whole demographic (old white males) going to fix problems like that? One thing it will achieve is ensure that few of us will vote for you, apart from a few self-loathing individuals. The Greens currently show remarkably little interest in economic reform – their main focus is now on identity politics.

              • PPII

                I am a volunteer, any payment of money has gone from me to the Green (and at times other) Party. I think I once managed to get them to put; the cost of fueling a car, to shuttle people to and from early polling places, towards my membership fees; but that’s the extent of my professionalism.

                And to quote you from the very first comment on this thread (So much easier to locate and copy quotes on laptop than mobile!):

                “the Green hierarchy has been taken over by politicians who are either (1) more interested in identity politics than the environment, or else (2) see the two as inextricably bound up (which is false)”.

                I can see that it is a waste of my time to continue this. Have the last word if you want.

                • The example I gave later on (rubbish disposal, user pays and the poor) had nothing to do with identity politics – it was about economics. You apparently can’t tell the difference.

        • PP11 Even Jeanette accepted that a broad based raft of policies was necessary to be competitive in a political sense. i always thought that this was wrong for the Greens. They could have an enormous range of supporters who would never agree with each other on anything else but looking after the environment. It is after all essential to all of us. Taking strong positions on other matters might make them seem like a more realistic party to win an outright majority in an MMP election having a complete policy range but it means they have to replace both incumbent parties while turning off at least half of their potential supporters. It was and is a choice of whether to force the government to take notice of an issue that concerns everyone , or try to become the government. The latter is what the nazis did but the urgency that supported that movement is not there in our society and neither thank god is a dynamic orator anything like Adolf Hitler .
          D J S

          • Urgency not there? Coming economic crunch, more environmental blowback, more virus impacts …not out of question another skilled charasmatic rhetorician orator will arise in near future

      • Applewood

        I have seen; white male retirees, at GP meetings. I would be more concerned by the middle-classness of the party myself. But there is a bit of a vicious cycle in that; the politically disengaged are difficult to engage politically. There may be a bias towards females, as they seem to be better at working incrementally in groups for the common good rather than needing to be the center of attention who dictates all action. But even that depends more on the person than their gender.

        • Lol.
          And with that attempted justification, completely non aware it encapsulated the essence of identity politics, the Greens disappeared at the election.
          How a school of politics (identity) thinks it can fight sexism and racism by being sexist and racist is just an exercise in self delusion.

          The Greens: disappearing up their own orifice at a town near you.

          • KCKO

            I think I may be running into a culture clash where I am describing my experiences with the Otago Greens, and others are seeing that through the lens of their impression of the Wellington GPMPs. Once again, I do think that the current list ranking process is flawed in that it no longer alternates females and males – but I mainly blame that on lazy GP members voting for the name recognition of sitting MPs.

            The Greens; appearing to care about the impact of humans on other humans, as well as the broader physical environment. Myself; keeping calm, and carrying on assisting the GP for the next 101 days until the election. The election results; unknown – dependent on the events and campaigning strategies from now until then.

  7. If Greens adopt Maori virtues of love and commitment to whenua and Tangata tangata tangata – they will reach a larger diverse group who will appreciate them and the practical things they can do for now and to take us into the future. I think that they are so fixed on environment and so middle-class in their attitudes and fixed in the verities they have decided encompass their beliefs and goals that they have withdrawn from being citizens to a bunch of Joan of Arcs.

  8. Well said, Chris.

    However, I must take issue with this: ‘Hitler and his followers were fighting for a myth – the German volk. The Greens are fighting for the survival of a very real and very vulnerable biosphere.’

    The Greens are NOT fighting for the survival of a very real and very vulnerable biosphere.

    They ARE fighting for is the maintenance of the myth that it is possible to protect the environment and provide a future for the next generation whilst at the same time maintaining the comforts and conveniences of fossil-fuel-based civilisation and maintaining the Ponzi money system, which is ultimately predicated on melting down the planet.

    The Greens insistence on maintaining mutually exclusive concepts in their policy formulation and believing in the possibility that mutually exclusive policies can coexist leads to the awful compromises you have highlighted.

  9. The main problem with people like the Greens is the way they make decisions. If everyone at a meeting had a chance to put forward their main idea then the circle would start again as to the imagined downsides and how they could be alleviated, and who would benefit from it, then the vast majority would start with a better understanding of the advantages and problems. Then the work would be to establish the most practical ways to go about it for successful outcomes. Then look at what would be unsatisfactory in each method and how they could be altered to fit within the set parameters, environmental or people slanted.

    Discussions like that would prevent Davidson and co getting caught up in the ‘c’ rant. That is not of priority in a Party trying to grapple with climate change, environmental degradation, food resource being lost, animal habitat being destroyed, chemical and plastic causing deterioration, and poverty and ilolhealth and sadness zooming because of denial of government to take responsibility for their past wrongful actions, and to make bold changes now. There was so much to do and the navel gazers with their legitimate criticisms were not the most in need of attention. The gender, gay issues have had unprecedented positive action. Now they can wait while others with now urgent problems get the attention they deserve. And let it be in a way that shows Green sensibilities which must show caring about all people, not just the chosen ones of the moment.

    Lees-Gallloway did not impress this morning on 9toNoon. If he is Green and forced to do such distasteful work at the behest of the system, he should explain that is how it is even if it annoys all the Sir Humphreys and the Labour ruling thespians. It is unfair to throw visa holders over the cliff; his raspy voice explaining how NZs needed jobs was just repeating the old cry heard and ignored over decades of neolib determination, of both meanings. We seem to have lost the idea of integrity, jerking foreigners around, charging people highly for government services that only partially deliver.

    We are supposed to be running under efficient business rules. But they have government rules to keep them in line. Our govt takes service to its ‘customers’ on a loose, slippery basis. Immigration seems to be lacking in humanity. I hope they don’t bleed green when they cut themselves!

  10. Paradoxically, it wouldn’t be all that courageous. There has been more than $2.5 trillion of investment in renewable energy in the last few years, with the equivalent of one and a half thousand Huntly Power stations (not including large hydro schemes) online. Solar is cheaper than other power sources now. NZ has been described as the ‘Saudi Arabia of wind’, and Brendon Harré is promoting an innovative pumped storage scheme whereby we could pump water up to the Lake Onslow area in Central Otago (there are several big reservoirs in the hills there) and then let it run down again, thereby making our electricity 100% renewable even when the sun wasn’t shining or the wind blowing. And so on. These pragmatic Green New Deal visions and schemes are actually quite exciting and just the thing to get the Greens over the line I would have thought. They even address social justice issues like the cost of electricity. (See for instance,UN%20Environment%20Programme%20(UNEP) and also

  11. Either Labour or National have more effective ‘green’ policies than this so called green party.
    Wouldn’t be the end of the world if they were wiped out at the election so they can naval gaze for a few years and figure out what it means to be a real green party.

    • Agreed. The only thing that might fix the Greens is an electoral result that leaves them crying into their kombucha.

    • Herman you see so far and so high. The problem with you is that staying in politics means looking down and working away, and keeping your feet on the ground. Following you the group could walk over the edge of a cliff and not realise till too late. Also I think you believe in fairies. Conan Doyle did too and also wrote some good mystery stories. Have you done anything similar? Maybe it’s a hidden talent yet to be exploited; it’s certainly a mystery why people can’t see what the Greens see, and hear what they have been saying for many decades.


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