Let me get this straight.
We have a political party promoting ‘strike force raptor’ type social policy?
Anything requiring the title ‘strike force raptor’ should only apply to an actual dinosaur who has slipped through a time portal
Are you proud of yourself NZ?
Personally I’m truly grateful that the National Party are cracking down on gangs, when will the white supremacy gangs and militant gun clubs get hit?
It’s not just the brown ones right?
Oh. It’s just the brown ones.
So National’s ‘plan’ to deal with the gangs is ‘Strike Force Raptor’ which goes in and penalises gangs who don’t have bar licenses & don’t have the right building consents on their Gang pads?
Jesus Wept, Nigel from the Council is coming with his clipboard! Run brothers, run!
This sad hash of human rights abuses and angry rhetoric that makes up the National Party Gang policy has been universally written off as idiocy on stilts.
Nothing National are suggesting will work and that’s desperately dangerous because we DO have a unique gang crisis on our hands.
With 1000 501s deported to NZ from Australia over the last 2 years, the ingredients for a gang war between the domestic gangs and the Australian imports are already exploding with gang shootings and a wave of cheap meth hitting the streets.
We need solutions to this unique event, the current Government want to crack down on civil rights and National want to go even further!
Why is the move to crack down on civil rights the first thing a Government does when flawed social policy fails?
What does the Government need to do?
1 – Demand a review of intelligence values, are the Police actually pursuing active crack downs on the Australian gangs or are they just observing? The Killer Bees were taken out as a force because all the old gangs narked on them and gave the Police the ability to completely take out the leadership. Police need to think seriously about cutting the same deal with the domestic gangs against the Australian ones, because it is the Australian ones generating the violence.
2 – Meth rehabilitation services must get an enormous boost in resourcing for any chance to cope with the wave of addiction that is coming.
3 – LEGALISE CANNABIS YOU MORONS: Allow the domestic gangs to legally produce cannabis so that their revenue stream is through a legal means rather than the meth, which is happening because of competition with the Australian gangs.
Instead of wisdom, what are we actually getting in this gang debate? National promising ‘Strike Force Raptor’ style branding which appeals to 12 year old boys and anyone living in the South Island.
Instead of real critical thinking, we are getting a race between Labour and National on who can strip away human rights fastest. Why is the first response by the State to the failure of flawed social policy to erode our civil rights?
Why is that?
This looming gang war needs strategic thinking, not some bullshit wrapped up in angry rhetoric that is thrown to the baying lynch mob for electoral advance, that path will cause far more problems than solutions.
The real threat to all of this is the coming Summer. NZ is being hit by a tsunami of cheaper, more pure meth being sourced by the 501s through their South American Cartel contacts, this will heighten gang tensions and also create strung out junkies looking to use quick violence for quick cash for the next quick hit.
When this violence spews out into public, the NZ electorate will recoil in horror and National will play the ‘tough on crime’ song and the sleepy hobbits will scream to roll back civil rights to feel safe.
It’s going to be a long hot Summer.
I bet Gary Lin is vehemently opposed to this idea…
This will be hugely popular with a large section of the voting public, dont underestimate that.
It will be popular in towel -ronger
The reality is that Bridges is clueless. He looks to everything Australia He visited earlier in the year to see how ScoMo turned his fortune around. He has on a number of occasions “followed” Australian policy. Bridges is no leader and perhaps should up sticks to Australia.
May I suggest that it will only be hugely popular with Nat voters similar to the rednecks that vote for Trump.Most media correspondents I’ve read are against this as they all say it won’t work, never has. It won’t stop Bridges though, his ideas being so outdated and true blue 70’s National. Even Muldoon new how to work with gangs. Bridges is not that bright.
Bert Outdated ? Ha ha. These brilliant legalists have been catapulted back into a wrinkle of time.
Today’s Stuff notes Nats suggest that JP’s could be used more for minor offences and free up judges’ time. This has already been happening for years. Ten years ago when I was charged with careless driving, I appeared before two JP’s. So did a colleague on a similar charge.
Extending court hours requiring judges to sit at night and on weekends, is a big imposition to impose on professional people. Many already, such as doctors, nurses, police, already have permanently mucked up family lives through working anti-social hours – public hospital specialists often do ward rounds Sat and Sunday mornings whether they’re on call or not. Mum ferries the kids to sport, music lessons, manages the cricket club and does the school fundraising and working bees.
Self-employed tradies like plumbers can work very demanding hours, and electrical employees like linesmen do too – and often- since privatisation – with zilch overtime.
All this is can be socially disruptive at grass roots level, for years on end – throughout whole childhoods.
But ask politicians to forgo their long weekends and work on Saturdays and half them would quit their cushy jobs.
They are unreasonable and exceptionally arrogant wanting to impose work time requirements on others which they would balk at doing themselves, and most contemptible of all, all the various workers whose time they want to filch, all make significantly greater contributions to the society than do politicians sitting braying like jackasses, and thinking that they impress people. Not so.
Revolutions traditionally come from the left, but these are sinister extreme right-wingers meddling in functions in which they have limited, if any expertise, and they are far too socially disruptive to be entrusted with power again. They are trouble makers.
They may be all dimwits, but if we do not accept dimwit pediatricians or plumbers, then we should not accept dimwit pollies.
How about a education set of programs showing the destructive human damages from use of Meth using the government “free to air TV Channel” platform to educate the public to slow the use and possible eradication of gangs peddling Meth.
Opp’s but the government have not yet got our promised free to air TV7 type public voice “investigate journalism channel established yet have they?
Government putting money into a public media TV channel is the most effective best way to educate the citizens of NZ about not using Meth.
Jacinda; – “Lets do this”.
s bridges says “just google raptor , you’ll find them on the internet”
it’s sensationalist reality ‘tv’ at it’s best , all about the ratings and of course no substance.
crims will probably be laughing in tears at this side show distraction , while the meth stays underground and flows faster than ever b4.
Well my whanau and I are victims twice over and I don’t support these measures it wasn’t gangs that killed our whanau it was individuals, one on alcohol and the other on P. And national don’t care about the victims as they are making out they are just trying to put the fear in people and its working. My sister wrote to judeath who was a Minister at the time she complained about our brothers killer getting a light sentence and she (judeath) didn’t give a stuff she wrote a cold uncaring letter with no compassion and said she can’t influence the judges sentencing decision. So don’t fall for the trap they care they care about being in power that is what they care about all this nonsense is police state stuff we don’t want to got there we will see an all out war effecting many communities not just the poor ones.
Well my whanau and I are victims twice over and I don’t support these measures it wasn’t gangs that killed our whanau it was individuals, one on alcohol and the other on P. And national don’t care about the victims as they are making out they are just trying to put the fear in people and its working. My sister wrote to judeath who was a Minister at the time she complained about our brothers killer getting a light sentence and she (judeath) didn’t give a stuff she wrote a cold uncaring letter with no compassion and said she can’t influence the judges sentencing decision. So don’t fall for the trap they care they care about being in power that is what they care about all this nonsense is police state stuff we don’t want to got there we will see an all out war effecting many communities not just the poor ones.
Regrettably, this populism is a pretty accurate barometer of National support base.
Gangs are shitheads – in many cases – as I say to the 250 Head Hunters I addressed last year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=108B1R39SvI
But as I also discuss with this gang- I (if no other current or former National MP does) recognises that the culture of gangs is a bequeath many have no choice to avoid.
Shooting them is not a solution – in my view.
Just as I have suggested that criminalising dope leads to ultimately Noriega, Escobar and El Chapo, as criminalising alcohol in the States lead to Al Capone and criminalising abortion leads to women dying in back street abortionists shacks and criminalizing gay people does not alter the genes of anyone;
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10733409
the remedy packaged by National says more about the intellect of that caucus, than I can find words to describe.
Do they have intellect Ross M it doesn’t look like the have any answers to our problems but to create more and bigger problems and to divide and conquer.
Oh for heaven’s sake, Simon and the Nats aren’t just telling their grandmother to suck eggs, they’re telling
them to help themselves to the neighbours’ eggs too.
Further, the police do not need us, or the Nats, lecturing them on what a scourge methamphetamine is. They’re in the front line, and there won’t be a day goes by without cops being confronted by users, or by the effects of users, and sometimes incredibly sad effects. I’m surprised any of them stay in the police force when so many persons here swing between hating them, and telling them how they should be doing a job which they couldn’t do themselves.
The Nat’s latest outbursts show that being a police dog handler before merching himself in Iraq, hasn’t qualified Mark Mitchell to be some sort of law and order spokesman. With due respect to cops and their dogs, they’re no more the intelligentsia of the policy makers than Simon Bridges isn’t suffering from irritable-vowel-syndrome.
Yesterday Bridges talked of wanting the police to harass gang members on a daily basis. Not allowed to do that Bridges. It’s breaking the law Bridges. It’s bullying Bridges. Unlike Simon, the police have to have good reason to believe that an offence is/was being committed, before detaining them.
I never thought I would find myself defending gang members, but Nat’s proposal to smash gangs per se contravenes the New Zealand Bill of Rights Part 11 S’s 16 and 17.
S16 gives all NZ’ers the right to freedom of peaceful assembly; S17 grants everyone freedom of association. There’s almost certainly more but I can’t be bothered reading it if Mark Mitchell didn’t. Mitchell lecturing judges about their sentencing is absurd and obscene. He may be typical of the sort of person who thinks that because they’ve got money they’ve got brains, or can push other people around, and they are a greater menace than the police when they’ve got power, and when the Fairfax women who begged to lick John Key’s soiled shoes see him as another Key. Money talks.
National is pitting people against each other, hitting on Maori, the police, the judiciary, and the whole legal system. If they are successful in creating unrest and unease among the punters, there could be a backlash on the issue of legalising marijuana.
Hopefully all this simplistic crap comes from the two dozen elves paid to do their thinking, but as a tactic, trying to set sections of society against each other can be dangerous, and if they ever got to implement any of it, no-one is safe. Just as hopefully, Simon will be toppled if he carries on like a loose canon.
Good one Applewood
Totally on point Applewood. I sure hope that all the folk here are right that there is no desire in Nz for the tripe that Bridges hopes to dish up but I fear that we are closer to the aussies than we care to admit and that there are a large number who think that Bridges is right. I take heart though from the vast majority of comments here.
Thank you for that Applewood, you have clarified a number of things for me. Mitchell from what i understand made his money from the death and misery of the people of Iraq after murrica’s illegal invasion. As an aside, Mitchell does not strike me as the type to be putting himself to much in harms way??? Anyone with a passing acquaintance with the NZ Police would be aware that for all the good work they do, dog handlers are not normally thought of as the intellectual branch of the force.
Thank you for that Applewood, you have clarified a number of things for me. Mitchell from what i understand made his money from the death and misery of the people of Iraq after murrica’s illegal invasion. As an aside, Mitchell does not strike me as the type to be putting himself to much in harms way??? Anyone with a passing acquaintance with the NZ Police would be aware that for all the good work they do, dog handlers are not normally thought of as the intellectual branch of the force.
Its not just the gangs what about all the people that also have to live in those communities and the kids if you hassle them you hassle. And giving our police even more powers nah! and including oranga tamariki another organisation not very well liked i see big troubles ahead if any of this comes to fruition
“…which appeals to 12 year old boys and anyone living in the South Island.”
Ha ! That’s funny.
I tell you why that’s funny.
It’s because you’re using the same generalising and inflammatory stupidity the natzo’s are using in their embarrassingly dull minded approach to gangs, amongst other things.
I love irony and your sentence, detailed above re South Island people, is entirely loveable.
Moving on.
The ‘Strike Force Raptor’ idea is so beyond the outer parameters of stupid that my toes are now so curled they more resemble sun dried yams.
Clearly, someone’s playing little simon. Someone out there is doubled over in hysterics because the intelleshully chullunged wee man fell for it.
I mean… ? It’s straight out of an ‘Idiocracy’ / ‘Team America’ clone-film no doubt enjoyed by bearded, car-less down town Aucklanders living in a silly little city built by south island farmer money sequestered by self-legalised North Island criminals. Opps. Sorry. That just slipped out.
Where was I?
Oh yeah. Seen these?
‘Idiocracy’
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
Team America:World Police.
” Fuck Yeah! ”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_America:_World_Police
Simon? Serious question. All jokes aside. No matter how tempting.
Here it is. Sitting down with Teddy? Nice cup of hot chocolate? Mummy in the kitchen softly singing while she bakes biscuits?
Here we go. My serious question.
Ready?
Here it is, now?
” Have.You.Ever.Heard.Of.A.Place.Called.P-O-R-T-U-G-A-L. That’s right, little Simon.
Portugal. Port-U-gal. ‘Portugal’.
It’s a place. It’s a C-O-U-N-T-R-Y. A ‘country’.
$millions of dollars are about to be wasted and hundreds of thousands of people are going to be negatively impacted upon because you, you dumb little shit, have no idea where, why, when and how Portugal. Is.
Here’s a ‘link’ to a ‘report’ found on the Guardian.
Ask mummy to go get the crayons. She can draw you pictures! Won’t that be fun, little simon?
Portugal’s radical drugs policy is working. Why hasn’t the world copied it?
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it
You want Meth to die a right and proper death? Decriminalise the shit. Pot? Same. Smack? Same. Coke, LSD, Schrooms, N0S, fags… all of it.
Decriminalise it Dumbasses.
Then pour money into medical health approaches. ( Ba ahahaha ahahahaha ahahaha aa a ahahahah ! So funny ! )
One more thing little simon.
For the rest of the societal dysfunctions that plague our beautiful few islands? It is you. You and your political parasites who make that kind of gruel we must swallow down.
Who builds gangsters? You do. You and your skanky mates. You’ve been doing it for years.
Country Boy; 100% well said.
We vote it as – Best award for today’s ‘plain talk’ – “Truth to words” category.
I enjoyed it immensely thanks for the lift; – again keep it up mate.
I don’t use drugs but it is best to make it legal and control use.
And educate it’s use, as that will save lives.
Can’t stand National / ‘Strike Force Raptor’ is such a ridiculous name is sounds like a shit 80’s Stallone movie / to be honest I am all for outlawing gang clowns walking around with gang patches regardless of who suggests it.
@ JB.
Not sure about the outlawing thing.
In Nu Zillind, proper gangsters wear suits and manage their foot soldiers who wear police uniforms.
The gangsters I think you’re writing about are really simply indulging in theatrics.
They’re probably more suited to the stage, if the truth be known.
The police, however, are another matter and we’d all get to know very quickly just who wears the panties in this country if we ever found the focus and courage to get up and revolt against the Proper Gangster.
Not the ones who wear studs and bangles and say the fuck word a lot but the proper gangster, the Banksters, our deviant politic and the deep state systems who protect our most villainous crooks who swindled our stuff and things away from us are. The ones who, for example, who increased the age of retirement from 60 to 65 to pay the bnz’s debts then allowed, indeed enabled other criminals to sequester that bank into their own ‘investment company’ which they then on-sold to the NAB and now the parasitised Zombie bnz is fully functioning and pulled out $1,0200,000.00 ( It looks better spelled out. That’s one billion two hundred thousand dollars! ) in NET profit from us last financials
The reason I single out the police is because THE police, OUR police, are not ,in fact, for us. Sure, they attend car crashes and domestics, murders and sundry acts of violence and disorder but they’re not OUR police.
They belong to the Black-winged financial strata that hangs over our heads and dictates our very existence.
Yep. It’s the banking sector who own and operate our police farce and they must be very happy indeed to have a few silly old gangster buggers running about in their studs ,buckles bandannas taking the heat for them. Deflecting debate. Diffusing and confusing us.
That Mongrel Mob guy on RNZ who said simon bridges was barking up the wrong tree? He was dead right.
I agree with 2 of your 3 recommendations . If the police had done their job properly 51 people could still be alive as the gunman involved should never had got a licence Finally the government has fulfilled one of their election promises and are training a large number of mental health workers which are desperately needed. I cannot agree with legalizing a drug that causes so much harm to so many.
Trevor Sennitt – The NZ Police didn’t shoot 51 people, nor did they tell anybody else to.
Nor would the dead necessarily still be alive if the gunman hadn’t a gun. He could have used bombs, molotov cocktails – anything – killers can be quite inventive.
The NZ Police do have an organised crime unit. I’m pretty sure that’s been said before here – it’s come up before.
trev that man was white supremacist he shot 51 people cause he was a racist and coward he was not a gangster and gangs are not he only peddlers of p the p ingredients is coming from china shut it down no ingredients then they cant cook
I’d identify Oz gangs as foreign criminal/terrorist organisations and basically make it “open season” on anyone who has commercial dealings with them. Treat them like a cancer and chemo all around them.
Words to live and die for Martyn. Just so true.
This looming gang war needs strategic thinking, not some bullshit wrapped up in angry rhetoric that is thrown to the baying lynch mob for electoral advance, that path will cause far more problems than solutions.
We have to flip our ideas over, they are overcooked on one side, and raw on the other. The old ideas are out of date and the new ones need some time in the heat of discussion, disagreement, unpicking, checking against criteria of the different interests and pilot plans carried out with all interested parties watching and monitoring and able to fine-tune.
The gangs are cohesive units. Can they take on another role beside being Criminal No.1 vying to show how low and tough they are. Can they bring their criminality down to the dodginess equivalent of a normal business?
Can we make lemonade out of our juicy lemons. I put forward an idea. Use the porno fanatics and child deviants to monitor the stuff that comes through the internet that has to be filtered out before we all forget what normal human beings do when living within acceptable boundaries! Let them classify it according to agree measures. That will be good for the low-paid workers becoming depressed at call centres.
We have criminality, it isn’t new. The government can cut it down by reducing the economic and social pushers that keep it growing.
The political scoring gets in the way of thinking through these kinds of issues. National , Labour … who cares, it’s either a potentially sound idea or it isn’t. It seems to me that to get rid of gangs, which I hope most people would see as a sound goal (possibly apart from gang members), simple … it needs to be more attractive not to be in a gang that to be in one. A relatively quick, cost effective way is needed to achieve that. National has come up with an approach that seems to have worked elsewhere. What other ideas are there?
Are you fucking listening? These changes WON’T work, they will do jack shit to stop organised crime because they refuse point blank to understand the market. The reason there is a sudden spike is to counter the 501s, how the fuck does anything National are suggesting countering the 501s Kiwironnie?
Given the profanities on your own blog, wondering why I even bothered to comment here.
A spike it may be. Take that away and the problem remains. How to get rid of gangs.
You criticise but offer no other ideas.
No we get rid of poverty. As long as there is an underclass there will be fertile ground for gang recruitment. This subject has actually been discussed at length on a few different blogs here and when the same ground is rehearsed by some new person trying to grandstand and well…, you just may well get told.
Who created the gangs and how did we end up with gangs we need to look back we might see the people who help create the problem are the ones actually creating more problems.
Strike Force Raptor? Hmm, sounds like the title to s Chinese propaganda film.
Perhaps Nationals next proposal will be to inter gangsta members into “re-education” camps.
” National has come up with an approach that seems to have worked elsewhere ”
No it has not worked elsewhere in fact it has had little influence with the bike gangs in Australia.
If the Nasty Natz were really serious they would be supporting legalising cannabis and responding with sane policies with regards too cheap meth and its supply.
Police must work with the gangs not against them and playing politics as National always does will be counter productive.
It is a case of keeping your friends close and your enemies even closer.
I am thoroughly mad that most of you assume gangs are criminal outfits. That is a media and police notion. Bridges has been absolutely wrong footed in his claim that an Aussie legal move eliminated gangs. An Aussie ex-cop and now law Professor, has said he is totally wrong, gangs carry on as usual and members commit a tiny % of crime anyway.
Stop picking on gangs.
yes Mosa once again soimon has been exposed he is spinning and he will continue to do so as our mainstream media are crap and aren’t calling him out on his spin
What I have noticed is National are being racist.
They are focusing primarily on the Maori and Pacific Island gangs and not on say the Triads, the Mafia, the other crime gangs from overseas countries like say China. ]
And so their, National’s, focus is obviously to bash those they deem lowly citizens i.e Maori and Pacific Islanders.
In other words they, National, will resort yet again to more beneficiary bashing because of a person’s skin colour and his/her choice of whom he/she wants to associate with.
I am sure if someone asked Bridges as to why he will not bully say the Triads he will probably claim they, the Triads, are too big to deal with. And in other words he doesn’t want to mess with the Triads because some Instant Kiwis probably donated alot of money to the NZ National Party and have strong Triad links.
It’s often easier for National to bully and financially bash the low income NZers than it is for them to include the Triads etc in their vendetta against ALL gangs.
Brilliant politics!! They’ve out trumped Trump! “space force” is sooo 70’s.. “Strike Force Raptor”.. Now That sounds Texan!!! Cool uniforms to, I bet…
National have always been racist they use the full force of the law on our people if they were in power they would have battened our people @Ihumatao. And this would have lead to a violent outbreak. That is why not many Maori vote for them. Many of us can’t stand the sight of those nasty critters especially pull the benefit and simond build no bridges.
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