Destiny Church are protesting at the very site of the Christchurch Atrocity to proclaim NZ belongs to Jesus.
This is obscene. EVERYONE knows NZ belongs to Maui – stupid Christians!
Destiny Church members reclaim Christchurch ‘for Jesus’
Members of Destiny Church affiliated groups have met opposite the Al Noor Masjid to proclaim Christchurch a Christian city.
Destiny Church Christchurch senior pastor Derek Marina Tait said the affiliated groups, Man Up and Legacy, opposed the national broadcast of the first Muslim call to prayer by the mosque following the March 15 terror attack.
“The purpose was to stand out in the open and to declare that Christchurch and New Zealand belongs to Jesus Christ who is the one true god.”
Jokes aside, how insecure do you need to be in your faith if you have to turn up at the site of an atrocity against another religion to proclaim your God rules this land?
My God can beat your God up?
How fucking juvenile and childish must you be to make such a disgraceful public announcement?
Jacinda wore a headscarf out of cultural respect, the way you would remove your shoes at a Marae.
We played the Muslim call to prayer out of respect for the dead who were butchered and we should have had the dignity to allow the Muslim call to prayer to play out on ANZAC Day as well because you know, this…
…Destiny Church have disgraced themselves with this publicity stunt and that’s pretty difficult for a Church that is as disgraceful as this one.
It is Christians like Destiny Church who give God a bad name.
Stupid monotheists of all stripes. Monotheism is fascist hate speech in all its forms.
Like your perpetual hate speech in inciting violent revolution…
Get a grip.
Agree.
The toxic and vile spewings from pestiny church is typical of the cult that it is.
You can just imagine the physical and verbal violence that would emanate from the members of that cult if a group of Muslims, or Buddhists stood outside one of the cult’s regular gatherings for the brain (washed) dead and said that Allah or Buddha were the only real Gods.
You ever heard of a Christian call to prayer over our radio networks?
If not , – why not?
Yes. in my parents’ time, there was a regular radio program called, I think, Father Rumble’s Radio Replies. It provided answers to listeners’ questions on religious and spiritual issues and would have opened and closed with traditional prayers.
Traditionally though, a radio was not necessary, because of the Catholic tradition here in NZ, and throughout Europe, of ringing church bells to call people to prayer three times a day, at 6am, 12pm and 6pm.
This is called The Angelus, and the angel in question is Gabriel, regarded as God’s messenger.
Millet’s famous painting of The Angelus, shows peasants stopped in their work, with their heads bowed, praying in a field.
Throughout my childhood and school days I heard and prayed the Angelus when the bells rang in both Nth and Sth Island churches. We later heard the Angelus on camping trips in France and Italy, and perhaps elsewhere without registering it.
Most memorable was when we stopped at Colombey-les-deux-Eglise, the birthplace of De Gaulle, on an anniversary, perhaps of his death. It is marked by a huge Cross of Lorraine, and there were floral tributes from many countries, but none from New Zealand.
So I made a wreathe of red poppies and roadside grasses, and I placed it there from N Z – having a certain affection for Charles de Gaulle from having taken Pol Sc in my first undergraduate degree.
Fortunately, my Protestant husband went along with this, as the politics interested him, and we were both annoyed with NZ not recognising the occasion – there was public political awareness of NZ in France then because of France’s nuclear testing in the Pacific, and we saw posters protesting this in one village square.
I daresay in NZ there would be people hearing church bells ringing who regarded them as a mere irritant, but we are a secular country and the churches are now in decline, but in much of the northern hemisphere The Angelus is still part of the background tapestry of daily lives, calling people to prayer, three times a day.
Should the splendid Catholic Basilica in ChCh be restored, perhaps people may ask for again whom the bell tolls, and perhaps they may find those great bells a more spiritual experience than blokes revving motorbikes.
Sorry Chump, but it’s how damn dumb do they have to be. Someone needs to explain to these repugnant slimeballs that Yahweh God and Allah are the same rose by any other name.
Church councils argued and agonised over the filioque component of Allah, and then along come these thicko theologians on motorbikes screeching that Christchurch is in Jesus’s hands.
So I take that as a public announcement that Jesus has stuffed up real bad in ChCh.
He has overseen two earthquakes ripping people’s lives apart, allowed insurance companies to behave like his chess-mate Mephistopheles,and permitted the massacre of 50 people peacefully at prayer one mellow autumn afternoon.
Bishy Brian’s (surname?) odious fishgutters need to man up to the real world, and manner-up too. They need to manner-up to all of us for dragging New Zealand down, and for kicking Muslims when they are already down, because kicking people when they are down, is about as low as one can go.
(Unless they live – and hide- in burrows.)
I can truly say that I am rarely angry – Telecom/Spark have the honour of being my only major historical irritant – but if I see one of these disgraceful Destiny creatures – I will run like hell in the other direction because they carry badness and spite and lunacy, and I’d like to whack them around their empty heads with a bit of 4×2, but they’re not worth
contaminating a bit of decent clean-smelling wood with.
(Apologies for the end-preposition, but it don’t matter when it’s to do with sicklies like these.)
There were children in the Mosque yesterday too.
Yeah – and over in Sri Lanka in the Christian churches there were children in the churches too.
Point of difference please?
Malicious twits running a hateful parody to shame us. Someone’s gotta call it out
They just called you out in your hypocritical selectivity.
no they autoselected themselves for this process. your accusation is rejected code invalidated son what
The Penticostal money grubbing empire rules families with fear and false authority.
Tamati and his home grown “Destiny” cult is but one of many holding poor superstitious people to ransom and scorn if they don’t pay their “tithing” weekly. Many are very poor.
Tamati lives like a millionaire on the leeching of these enslaved souls.
He also enjoys tax free income and the wider community pay rates while his so called “Church” does not.
A grim and wicked parasite with hubris beyond belief.
My father, John W, talked of running into an old friend to whom he’d lent money. A little hesitant, but noting the fellow’s bespoke suit, he reminded him of it.
“Not a problem,” said friend, pulling a wad of notes from his pocket and peeling off the indebted bank notes. Father commented that his friend seemed to be doing quite well for himself.
” I founded a religion,” said friend, ‘ and I’ve never looked back since.’
One day you will die, you will rot, or maybe cremated.
Means nothing.
But you WILL face your Creator.
And all these cherished philosophical dreams will mean NOTHING in that day. Break things down to their most fundamental basis.
You WILL DIE, you will face your Creator.
And you WILL answer for the things you have done in this life.
Yup capture their emotions and fears and their wallets are wide open.
Same old pattern practiced for eons.
Sounds like L.Ron Hubbard…?
Who’s he?… a breakfast cereal millionaire?
Or did he make telescopes?
Seriously mate…..
WK – look up Scientology. Another cult.
Yes, he is a breakfast cereal millionaire, WK.
He also wrote many serials for, “Days of our Lives”,
He introduced the surreal art of Cubism to Estonia.
Yes, he made telescopes and wrote horoscopes.
In between splitting the atom and devising reverse periscopes, he drove the no 11 bus, right off the edge of the planet.
Ron’s family would mourn him if they existed, but they do not, and not only do they not exist but they don’t know that they don’t exist but I am confident that Ron will address this issue next time around.
Do not jump to conclusions (again) and think that this means that the earth is not flat; next time around is when Ron gets reborn, and one can only wish him better luck next time, and always say no to drugs.
Brian I want you to consider the nature of music, harmony, and the universal language of vibration. What is it that people pick up on when they can just tell that something is a little off key in the melody? I want you to reflect carefully on the following;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMMVfXNLWXQ
100% Martyn.
The recent actions of Destiny church, including the rhetoric of its self imposed ordained Bishop (can’t say his name) since the CHCH atrocity have been appalling, hypocritical and shameful to say the least.
Zombies. Dead to the world around them.
This is what Angels & Demons at play sounds like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YHPFIB1PUc
Perhaps it is a little insensitive if they did stand outside the mosque but those at Destiny have every right in this country to proclaim their faith. They also have the freedom of speech and movement to do so.
People forget that fundamental Islam teaches there is no other God but Allah. Those at Destiny would beg to differ, – loudly. Perhaps it is the loudness that offends people. Certain types would seem to prefer they were all meek and mild and kept their opinions quietly among themselves in their churches – and even then in whispers , – better still not say anything at all.
Yet you would all like them to join in street protests and be very loud against the political party’s of your choice. Yet to be fair, there have been many Christians butchered by radical Muslims overseas. Many of them. And they have paid the ultimate price for their beliefs. How many of you have done the same?
No,… far easier to remain in the safe place of NZ and cast stones from the sidelines and conveniently forget that the safety you enjoy is a direct result of the Biblicaly based Westminster legal system.
So there is another nuance to this , – and that is the fact that our Westminster legal system was broadly based upon the Bible, – not the Koran. Thus we live under that system, not Sharia law.
Should we / those at Destiny not recognize this truthfully? And just because our secular leaders boldly and gleefully state that we are now a ‘secular’ nation,… how many of them would be prepared to overhaul this country’s whole legal system, – either to half sharia or half something else?
The answer is : None of them. Not one.
They know which side their bread is buttered on.
It seems there are many things that we dutifully take on board and go into bat for that are offensive to other races and religions but when it comes to Christians and what they believe , – it seems we are all too quick to mock , scorn and pile on the shit and the abuse.
Under the circumstance’s regards the ChCh murders I can see why ,… out of respect and empathy the ‘call to prayer’ was able to be broadcast. I get that. But on the other side of the coin , – why are the Christians maligned for speaking out?
Are the feelings of Christians lesser than everyone else’s? Is the sense of Christians outrage diminished simply because they ARE ,… Christians? Do they not count ,- or if they do , – only when it furthers populist political aims? Are Christians and the good they do only to be wheeled out when it comes time to make hard hitting reports against the govt on homelessness , poverty and the like – essentially- when it bolsters YOUR political aims?
And then sent back into the shadows until needed again and expected to remain docile , compliant , servile non personality and politically impotent types that are easily trash talked and shouted down with the implication their beliefs are no longer required until spoken to ?
Destiny church are the hard line pragmatists.They have a right to speak out about what they believe. And they will not be silenced. And if they find a Muslim ‘call to prayer ‘ broadcast on the airways offensive because it directly challenges their belief in Jesus Christ as the only true God in a predominantly non Muslim country – why are they being singled out?
Yet they have freedom of speech and ‘religious freedom’ as much as anybody else in NZ.
Its just something we all have to live with and not shrink back from. This is freedom of speech in action and up front and personal. And unlike the two ‘white supremacists’ (Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux )who came from Canada , – Destiny church is MULTI RACIAL.
They are not discerning based upon race.
This is not about race, – it is about the very foundations upon which the modern state of NZ’s legal system is based upon with all its benefits. Benefits that most would be loathe to forfeit. It is also about BOTH sides ability to speak out freely and without being demonized.
Martin Buber Jewish Philosopher : God. ” It is the most heavy- laden of all human words. None has been so soiled, so mutilated. Just for this reason I may not abandon it… the races of men with their religious factions have torn the word to pieces: they have killed for it and died for it, and it bears their finger marks and their blood. Where might I find a word like it to describe the highest… We cannot cleanse the word “God” and we cannot make it whole; but defiled and mutilated as it is, we can raise it from the ground and set over it an hour of great care.”
Coincidentally, Hans Kung, RC theologian has said, ” The important thing today is to learn to speak in a new way about God.”
Suddenly, Wild Katipo, you and others have redefined the second person in the Christian Trinity as NZ’s God. Why ?
How much care did Destiny’s boys take in shouting this at women and children in a Mosque forever shadowed by the blood of their people splattered by a satanic person representing we from the non-Islamic world ?
Shame on all of you.
Nah no shame whatsoever.
None at all.
You people hid behind all the benefits of the Keynesian economic system we had until 1984, our Westminster legal system based on the Christian faith , – and when you allowed a fascist ideology in like neo liberalism you got all sanctimonious. And at the same time all bemoaning the fact that your humanistic, globalist one world govt crap failed you. No wonder you don’t know your head from your backsides.
And now you want to swing it right back around on the Christians.
Hey , – guess what – Mickey Joseph Savage and the early Labour leaders adhered to the CHRISTIAN values system,- you know, – that system that gave us state housing, the welfare state, state housing, free electricity , water , education and health ???
It was the Christian values that those politicians believed in that motivated those people, – NOT your Muslim or Woke Left fake identity politics!!!
And now you want to attack Destiny for speaking out?
Whose side are you on , mate?
Nationals?
NZ is a secular country.
1877 an Education act was passed that made state education “Compulsory, free and secular”
This is one of our founding constitutional documents.
Most of the Parliamentarians in 1877 were church going people and may lay preachers.
If you read the debates leading up to this moment of legislative commonsense, then you will understand why “Secular” is an imperative.
Each religion represented had its own bias history and belief variation from the others and so no agreement could be reached about any aspects of religion being taught in state schools.
Recently the outdated laws about blasphemy have been repealed.
Now kids can grow up together and share the social and educational benefits of understanding each other across ethnic, socio- economic and cultural perspectives.
We imported religion from many places and swamped the religion and beliefs that were here.
NZ is not a country that aligns itself with any one religion.
To say it is a “Christian” country is a lie and needs to be called out loudly.
Defend our precious secular status where there is religious “freedom”.
Destiny would take that away if you let the self appointed leader have his bigoted way money grubbing way.
Secular? secular?
So that means that justifies the 1984 neo liberal secular take over??
OK,… Enough said.
Go for it.
Protect your minutiae til the chook’s come home mate.
But don’t you ever make a comment knocking govt or moaning about failed humanitarianism again. You wanted it , – you got it.
You made your bed- now lie in it.
The roger douglas neoliberal Labour shift has nothing to do with a secular education or what secular means.
douglas and richardson et al, dealt a blow to Kiwis that recovery from is not likely.
Could you explain what you mean by:
“But don’t you ever make a comment knocking govt or moaning about failed humanitarianism again. You wanted it , – you got it.
You made your bed- now lie in it.”
Pretty self explanatory.
Read it again.
Oh , – and BTW , – Savage was a Christian. And his chosen ideology aligned up with that. An ideology that YOU , – and many thousands of Kiwi’s endorsed.
Until certain Kiwis saw that they could climb up on the shoulders of other Kiwis and treat them all as ‘economic units’ to be exploited.
It was called social democracy based on Keyneisan economics, adapted to Kiwi conditions. You can scream and cuss as much as you want but those are the blunt truths.
Destiny-associated Man Up, and and the youth MVMT or Movement, are the most dangerous far-right groups in New Zealand. They are aggressive, believe that they have a license by an emergent state or power to attack and police people, and seek to intimidate us. Look at how they dress: they are dressed to intimidate.
They also go around collecting wayward or dangerous people like former gang members who you cannot tell me are now all the sweetest guys down at the park.
– Destiny-associated Man Up, and and the youth MVMT or Movement, are the most dangerous far-right groups in New Zealand –
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What a load of piffle. I’m sure you wouldn’t know a Brownshirt or a fascist from a Destiny church member . And that IS dangerous.
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– They are aggressive, believe that they have a license by an emergent state or power to attack and police people, and seek to intimidate us. Look at how they dress: they are dressed to intimidate-
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So they are assertive ( your words ‘aggressive ‘ ) and passionate from what you believe , and somehow that makes them ‘aggressive’. Have they done any harm to anybody ??? NO.
‘They seek to intimidate us’… How?, – are you saying a bunch of Christians who demonstrate are far more intimidating than a bunch of anti TTPA protesters or animal rights activists?
Get over yourself.
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– Look at how they dress: they are dressed to intimidate –
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WHAT ? – Hell’s teeth and little hair curlers !!! I wear a black tee shirt all the time, my hairs down near my butt and my whiskers are plaited like some dwarf out of LOR’s !!!- I also have a penchant for black leather jackets !!!- does that make me ‘dressed to intimidate ???’
Seriously you’ve got problems.
If you think for one minute that a bunch of protesting Christians are more intimidating than a group of patch wearing gang members then you’ve lost the plot !!!
And whats with :
– ‘They also go around collecting wayward or dangerous people like former gang members who you cannot tell me are now all the sweetest guys down at the park’-
Would you rather they didn’t collect ‘wayward’ people and shun society’s gang and drug / violence problems . WTF ???. You sound like the same sort of vested interested lobbyist for the booze industry who hated the Salvation Army’s work in the East end of London in the 19th century in rehabilitating child alcoholics !!!
Get out of here !!!
Hah, you fell into Tamaki’s trap, the religion competition trap. He wants to sell his belief and version of ‘Christianity’, many others have their versions. The same applies to Muslims and other faiths, it must all be treated with greatest caution, at all times.
Thank GOD we have a secular kind of society after all, this greasing up to various faiths and their members is starting to sicken me.
Stand firm AND NO RELIGION must be given any special treatment in this country, NONE of them, they should be grateful to exercise their perhaps foolish faith, rather do it in private, and leave others alone.
Foolish faith ?
Michael Joseph Savage was a Christian.
His motivation for doing the many things that were undone by Roger Douglas was BECAUSE of his beliefs. Would you rather have Roger Douglas and Ruth Richardson’s neo liberal ideology over Savages Christian motivations?
Why is it that people all like the good things in Christianity yet jump at the chance to crap all over it when the opportunity presents itself?
Go ahead. Change the Westminster bible based system for Sharia Law.
See how far you get before you are protesting in the streets about basic human rights and are arrested and publicly executed by the sword in those same streets.
You’d like that ?
Thought not.
So if not, shut up.
What ever brought that on I am unsure and a little surprised.
Micheal Joseph Savage with his advisers and supporters driving the Labour agenda and cabinet, hardly took advice from any “Christian” philosophy that had driven NZ into the mess it was in.
Westminster law is hardly bible based.
Some of religious persuasion attribute justice, fairness and equity to translations of ancient writings. Some testable evidence of such claims would be interesting.
Human values are sometimes perverted by belief systems for their own ends. Accumulation of wealth is a common one along with perpetual guilt and judgement of others not conforming.
Obviously it is an emotive subject for some but not one that should be hidden away.
Executed by sword – how about being stoned to death by the mob or drowned as a witch.
Milk of human kindness and forgiveness are traits of community cohesiveness that have taken time to evolve over many millennia, but aberration is not uncommon.
I accept, Parliament starts with a prayer, used to be the Christian focused one, not so secular, are we?
The state is secular.
That is in law.
A prayer in Parliament has recently been challenged. Many parliamentarians are of different beliefs and some atheists.
The “traditional” opening prayer is a hangover that parliament suffers from. The Mace bearer is similarly a ceremonial hangover. The mace has never been used in parliament and is a ceremonial weapon.
Show me the state “church”
No religion of belief system has hierarchy over others in NZ law.
So what.
Freedom of speech and religious freedom is also ‘in law’.
So why the big pile on with Destiny?
You don’t believe in religious freedom /freedom of speech all of a sudden ?
If Tamati and his appointed “shepherds” of the “flock” allowed free speech, questioning and criticism within his followers and their families, and stopped taking their money under duress, then I willingly would withdraw my criticism.
I have worked with families trying to escape Destiny and the threats and social condemnation the experience came straight from the pulpit.
Tamati is trying to get into prisons to capture more stressed folk in crisis. That’s how they work.
WK – Please show me where I have said that.
People in NZ are free to follow any religion they choose. Coercion is another matter as is demands of money.
Power of position and claimed authority is easily abused.
what the fuck are you on about?
Has anyone curtailed destiny’s right to free speech?
Don’t people have the right to decry destiny’s behaviour.
Destiny’s behaviour is deserving of condemnation in the same way that Muslims would be condemned if they stood outside Holy Trinity Cathedral in Parnell screaming Alla Akbar
In both cases people have the right to do that, but equally so, in both cases, most normal people would condemn such behaviour.
And in the case of what Destiny Church is doing, it is doubly bad, given the events a little over a month ago.
WK compares a flashy charlatan like Tamaki with Michael Joseph Savage.
I’m sure MJS would appreciate that!
If Jesus and bible bashers are bad, what do you think of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-UEZtVoOBs
Do we prefer this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOZn0pvAy_A
All scarfed and veiled women, this is NOT our culture, we do NOT want to this become norm, NZers are free to choose, but with perceived ‘choice’ comes compulsion, I fear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzNqfI26SKw
Indeed Marc, the religion of New Zealand is rugby.
Males get up in the night to watch it on big flat screens getting drunk and eating fatty sausages. They wear imitation All Blacks’clothing. They buy their toddlers All Black’s outfits from that epitome of NZ culture and consumerism, the big red barn where everyone gets a bargain.
They pay homage to the physical violence which rugby glorifies so that NZ children grow up – if they are not battered to death first – seeing violence as a virtue. Being a warrior is belting up the wife and sending her not to heaven, but to a Woman’s Refuge.
As you say, they are free to choose and they choose to be world leaders
in kicking an ovum-shaped ball, and kicking the bearers of ova, and then have the gall to decide that they are the arbiters of what constitutes NZ culture.
Cultures evolve of their own accord as do cultural norms, and so far New Zealand has evolved not greatly ahead of neanderthals, evidenced I suggest by persons like you blathering about headscarves. Headscarves, for Allah’s sake.
I am interest in who you see the ” our” “we” as being.
Suits and ties worry some as do high heels which are very anti social doing millions of dollars of damage to flooring and hard surfaces.
Bikinis worry others. We are a diverse lot.
If people wish to dress up in some sort of cultural uniform then my tolerance to that sort of stupidity leaves me free to interact with them as people still.
Ironic isn’t it, how (some) free speech warriors demand their right to free speech… and then decry others who express their religion, culture, values, in other ways.
Marc, I put it to you that how others dress is really none of your business.
The issue of covering up only offends because many (most) of us suspect or perhaps know bloody well that it is not the choice of the woman concerned but a decree of some man that she must cover up or else.
Wherever the dress is the free choice of the whearer I and I expect Marc too , have no problem with it.
D J S
+1 Comrade Stone
Some sanity DJS, well said. I find it a bit ironic that the “enlightenment” views expressed by many on this blog find it OK to forgive religious and culturally imposed impositions upon women that we would personally oppose vehemently.
And, it’s OK to attack Destiny, but Sharia…well that’s OK, let’s not object because somehow that would be illiberal, and they are victims.
And hell, whilst we are at it, let’s kick monotheistic religions and their followers beliefs because we don’t believe. So tolerant of us (not). And as Katipo points out, where do you think that the enlightenment values we hold dear were allowed to develop, were fostered by? Practicing Christians no less. How ironic.
Christianity and the Bible taken in its totality is very progressive.
People talk of polygamy, slavery, primogeniture, etc .. to which I ask, “have you read the Bible”
Polygamy never works outs, God frees the slaves in Egypt, primogeniture rips families apart – ‘Jesus came to set the captives free’ ..
So called ‘slaves’ in Biblical Israel could own land, earn income and even earn their freedom in 6 years. In many ways slaves started out like modern day woofers but with land options and earning potential.
Agrarian economies were very different, so put in some new lenses to look through.
In fact, Jesus’ famous Sermon on the Mount was so progressive; Barack Obama said Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount was so “radical” the Defense Department wouldn’t survive its application.
Are we talking about the same Bible?!
The one which advocates death for adulterers, gays, “witches”, etc?
Yes same bible, – KJV.
Jesus was brought a woman accused of adultery, he said; “let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” Nobody did. Jesus was without sin, yet he didn’t condemn her EITHER.
You, like the woman’s accusers, are referring to man’s law. God’s law states, ‘thou shalt not commit adultery’ AND ‘thou shalt not kill’.
The sin of Sodom was; “She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
Had Jesus believed about homosexuality, what ‘modern conservative Christians’ believe about homosexuality, we would expect Him to condemn same sex relationships when He talks about Sodom?
Jesus not only refuses to condemn same sex relationships, He also rejects the first century view point expressed by the Sibylline Oracles, Philo and Josephus.
The sin of Sodom according to Jesus, was inhospitality to God’s angelic messengers.
Also, fun fact, Sodom use to lock travelers in a cage suspended above the ‘town square’ and watch them starve-to-death for public entertainment.
Is that the document that talks about “Chosen People”.
Attributing what ever you like to writing of such incomprehensible mythology is your choice.
Most human morals were in existence long before any present day religion.
Evidence for that would be based on belief I suspect and unlikely to be testable.
There is a lot of “reported” hearsay that people give credit to but that alone is not testable evidence .
Archaeology evidence may be able to help but from my searches very little seems to be available from reputed scientific sources.
But people can believe what ever they like but just believing hardy makes it true.
Good luck with your research.
Genesis 3-5
“For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
Well he ate of it didn’t he, and now believe it or not we all know instinctively what is right and what is wrong. Religions have usurped that human instinct and commandeered it but they did not invent it and they do not own it. It belongs to humanity not god.
D J S
DS – A scholarly utterance indeed.
Which translation is it from do you know.
Before human instinct there were our predecessors with theirs and thats all long before reading and writing of words and money.
English standard version
50 comments — piling on in. Jus’ sensationalism.
He’s a drip. In America he’d be President. Good fun.
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