You been watching the media beat-up on the gangs refusing to hand over their guns after the massacre in Christchurch last month? Here’s the real background to the story.
How many guns are there in NZ? Answer: An estimated 1.5 million.
Who’s got most of them – the WHITE BOYS (white farmers, white gun shop owners, white gun club members, white gun importers and white nationalists) – or the BLACK BOYS (Māori & Pacific gangs)? Answer: The white boys have about a million; the black boys have about 20,000.
How many guns have been handed in by the WHITE BOYS? Answer: Less than 1%.
What did the media and the politicians say about the WHITE BOYS before the CHC massacre?
Nothing.
What are the media and the politicians saying about the WHITE BOYS since the CHC massacre?
Nothing.
How many guns have been handed in by the BLACK BOYS? Answer: Less than 1%.
What did the media and the politicians say about the BLACK BOYS before the CHC massacre? There was daily mention of terrorism in the media, and it was always about jihadis and blacks.
What are the media and the politicians saying about the BLACK BOYS since the CHC massacre? The media are pumping Labour, NZ First & National’s attacks on gang refusal to hand over guns.
But let’s look at what caused all this – the killing of 50 innocent Muslims in Christchurch last month.
That massacre was carried out by a white guy using weapons he obtained legally in NZ. He was a fully registered member of a legally registered white gun club. He trained at that club with other members of that gun club. That gun club was so racist an ex-military guy took it to the police – and they did nothing.
In a country bristling with white racists, white power gangs, white police structures, white justice frameworks, white penal systems, white nationalists and white supremacists, a white guy kills 50 Muslims … and blacks get hammered for refusing to hand in their guns.
Taika was right – NZ is a fuckin’ racist society
Hone Harawira is the leader of the MANA Movement
Like +100% Agree, the SIS and the GCSB have been looking underneath the wrong rocks ?
However the biggest problem here in NZ is not Muslim Terrorists, it is the Crime Syndicates bringing drugs into NZ and distributing these drugs through the NZ Gangs.
These drugs are causing a huge amount of damage to individuals, families and communities particularly in South Auckland.
This is where the Intelligence Agencies should be concentrating their energies IMHO ?
+1 Agree NGUNGUKAI , drugs are one of the biggest ways that neoliberalism is using to ensure that resistance is not mobilised to stop it.
While I agree with much of what Hone Harawira is saying in this post, I think looking underneath why the division of race has become a common catalyst of division, meanwhile global power interest gobble up the assets and ‘donate’ to or join governments to keep it going.
Power issues and that division should be the one most investigated by left wing commentators.
We see race all the time used to turn people against each other, or in modern times to distract or mask power grabs within countries.
Water rights is an obvious one in NZ to explore when big global companies get to get essentially free water rights to export and profit from, while those locals in urban areas in particular, are increasingly paying big money to access water being run by commercial companies and paying for the pollution of others coming to NZ such as 4 million tourists per year and the infrastructure needed to support unsustainable numbers.
You are right. Drugs, especially P, are doing more damage to our young people (or either colour) on an insidious day to day basis, than guns ever have.
Except that people take drugs for themselves.
Mass murdering far right fanatics shoot their victims who have no choice in their own killing.
Narcotic Industry is big business organized by big guys far away from NZ
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_drugs01.htm
Interesting read I have read a number of articles with regards to the CIA’s involvement in the drug trade ?
For sure Hone and Maori know it. I been listening to Louis Farrakhan whom is a black muslim preacher from the USA. He has an ability to resonate and bring huge crowds of black people together his message is about sovereignty,self-determination, and better standard of living for his people. He also talks about white peoples guilt and fears assuming black people will take revenge on white people if black people monopolies hold on power. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-OiUW_uGwM
Stephen: “I been listening to Louis Farrakhan whom is a black muslim preacher from the USA.”
And there you have a problem immediately. Forget Farrakhan. He’s American: society there is very different from here. The southern states in particular had racist systems of government, right up into the civil rights era of the 60s.
The poor blacks of the US, along with the poor of other ethnicities in that country, are, broadly speaking, in the same economic basket as the poor here, and the same driver applies: neoliberalism.
“He also talks about white peoples guilt and fears assuming black people will take revenge on white people if black people monopolies hold on power.”
Oh please! This is nonsense. White people’s guilt: pfft! In NZ, nobody now alive had anything to do with colonisation, or with widescale land alienation. No guilt applies, none is felt. Remember that there have been hundreds of thousands of migrants arrive here since WW2. Many of them were and are white; in recent years, however, many of them aren’t. A fortiori, none of those post-WW2 migrants had anything to do with past events in NZ.
Oh please! This is nonsense. White people’s guilt: pfft! In NZ, nobody now alive had anything to do with colonisation, or with widescale land alienation. No guilt applies, none is felt. Remember that there have been hundreds of thousands of migrants arrive here since WW2. Many of them were and are white; in recent years, however, many of them aren’t. A fortiori, none of those post-WW2 migrants had anything to do with past events in NZ.
this is your argument that devoid of real facts. You are only speaking for yourself to defend white fragility. ,Here an interesting read of a white woman that is a professor studying white fragile personalities and why it so hard for white people to have a meaningful conversation about race.
I believe you fit the profile of a white fragile person and this book if you ever decide to read it will help with your phobias. https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/a-sociologist-examines-the-white-fragility-that-prevents-white-americans-from-confronting-racism
I think it’s more that pakeha were just starting to get comfortable with the idea of not being racists, and then some how changed what racism was, and suddenly we’re all racist again and not just the maari’s being “reverse racists” when maori weren’t before, but we didn’t change, and we kinda feel like we’re being tricked.
Stephen: “Here an interesting read of a white woman that is a professor studying white fragile personalities and why it so hard for white people to have a meaningful conversation about race.”
Again: she’s American (of Italian descent, if that’s her maiden name). That polity’s experience has been very different from ours here in NZ. She cannot speak for us: I’m surprised that you’d adduce her views as evidence for your assertion.
What is it that you don’t understand about this? Nobody now alive – Maori or pakeha – had anything to do with colonisation, or the large-scale land alienation of that time. Nobody need feel guilty about it. What on earth would be the point? It wouldn’t change a single thing.
And – also pointful in this context – the British Empire was run by the elites, for the elites. Ordinary people such as my ancestors (who in any event arrived here after the NZ wars) had no say in big political decisions, though of course that didn’t stop them dying as a consequence of those decisions.
I remind you that – like it or not – migrants are here to stay. We’re not going anywhere: get used to it. In any event, there has been so much intermarriage, there are now few Maori families without pakeha or other migrants in them somewhere. Vice versa for pakeha families, my own being typical in that regard.
We are all now NZ citizens, in the same boat for better or worse.
So right Hone, i have been knocking around this country for a good number of years now, and not always in the best of company. If people do not believe there is reasonably wide spread racism in NZ they are being conveniently ignorant.
Tēnā koe Hone – there are some important truths in what you’re saying. You might influence more people in a positive way if you abstained from hyperbole.
Ngā mihi
Hone, hard to disagree with the empirical percentages.
And maybe or maybe not we bristle with white racists. Our structures of state and society are Euro centric, agree. That does not make them racist per se, the optimistic part of me says we need to keep going down the path of building bicultural institutions. We’ve got two great cultures here, something special will emerge.
I see a lot of MSM and blog articles about measures to stop terrorism and racism in NZ domestically, but what is absent is anything about what the government or anyone else seems to think of new measures to stop the Tarrents and Matthew Burns and all the other less visible people here from overseas, plotting to harm this country and the people in it.
The ‘lone wolves’ are apparently hard to spot, but tend to be young males who are isolated from their homes, aka pretty much hundreds of thousands of people coming to NZ as our governments answer to get cheap neoliberal money flows via legal people trafficking into NZ as students and cheap labour.
So our officials can concentrate on the NZ gangs (not much interest in other foreign gangs who are overtaking the NZ gangs and MUCH more organised and cut throat by the sounds of it), weirdo pamphlets and Neighbourly but ignore the real stresses, demographics and risks that are going on under our noses in NZ (and being ignored so a small percentage of people can gain a $) and everyone else is being put at risk of further attacks and social and economic division which will spread terrorism as much as anything else.
The whole point was Tarrent was legally able to do what he did and nobody in government or security was interested in what he was up to in NZ, bothered to do any due diligence while he was here and so forth because he was a visitor and in NZ we have been brainwashed to think every visitor is some haloed bearer of money from the overseas money gods to be worshipped any given anything they want no questions asked. Meanwhile our officials don’t notice that worship may have been ok 25 years ago before cheap global travel, Internet and neoliberalism and individualism ruled the world so now the ‘individual’ culture can easily decide to dedicate to a cause and go down in any number of ways in infamy or just add to the rise of economic and social division. (Work out the demographics of Auckland, how many Maori and poorer folks are essentially being exited out via subtle and not so subtle methods in the city that apparently controls 30% of the election).
Yeah nah.
It’s not black vs white and that’s a shitty road to go down, to divide and alienate.
People of all skin colors are licensed law abiding kiwi firearms owners.
People of all skin colors can be murdering rapist drug pushing gang members with illegal weapons they refuse to hand back.
The shooter was a short white dude from Australia.
Making some kind of race statement on NZ gun control out of that just looks stupid.
100%
BINGO !!!
I supported Hone, – but if hes going to pull the race card and lump statistics in the mix to prove something about ‘whitey’ being more inclined than others to criminal acts hes missed the boat.
Facts are ALL human beings are capable of violent acts.
I find the way hes couched this article bloody offensive.
And I once voted for MANA.
So he can now take a long hike.
No longer interested in what he has to say.
My comment was moderated out and I can’t see why. I agree with you. In this case racism may be involved but not the black and white kind. Hone is up to his old stirring tricks. White supremacists hate and kill white people too. The Jewish come to mind easily enough. The gangs get special attention not because they go hunting in the ranges and not because they’re brown.
China has swung in behind the events of Christchurch as a reason to crack down on its Muslim population. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG92LZajtdE&feature=em-uploademail
The events of Christchurch are the excuse for crackdowns on “truther” sites, Facebook and U tube and very soon, I would think,on blog sites that run the wrong narrative. Hmm…many other things happening as a result of Christchurch…not to mention the above comments by Hone about the “black boys”. I’ve never heard of a gang called the black boys.
It’s a Vatican Jesuit ploy to pit nation against nation, religion against religion and colour against colour. You weren’t educated by a Jesuit were you Hone?
@HH
I think your aim’s a little wide of the mark. Pardon the pun.
Instead of constantly pointing out how racist AO/NZ is, and yes, you and Tika are correct. SOME AO/NZ’ers are racist as fuck. And especially down round these here parts. All these white farmers broiling in their own ignorances while they work 24/7/365 to grow sheep to shear to get back $2.00 a kg for wool when, once knitted into a fancy jersey can sell for as much as £ 700 quid for about 400 gms of the stuff. You can see how keeping, as you say, ‘white’ farmers in ignorance sure is profitable for the grifter/bankster.
The thing to remember perhaps is that could it be that racism is the perfect vehicle to carry divisive and inflammatory tactics into grass roots society by the real enemy and that enemy, in my view, is the foreign banking ‘industry’?
These are heady times. The planet’s boiling in its own juices and pretty soon there will be perhaps billions of people on the move in a cavalcade of well dressed starvation.
It will be then that ‘They’, the $-power elite, will come here and take AO/NZ off us as we all run about fighting amongst ourselves. It’s a classic pig muldoon tactic, though admittedly on a larger scale. Get them in-fighting then fuck them over.
It’s my humble view that racism is a reflection of ignorance. Ignorance is an indication of a lack of awareness. A lack of awareness is cultivated within AO/NZ by a banker-corrupted MSM aided and abetted by an equally corrupted politic and all done to us for a dollar.
Pointing out how fucked white people are, and how put upon brown people are as a consequence, isn’t necessarily helpful although I do understand the sentiment.
How to fix deliberately institutionalised racism?
Reciprocal , non-fucked-with communication would be my guess.
I went to an exhibition in the Auckland Museum some time ago and had my mind blown. If that exhibition was sent around the country, shown in schools and generally broad cast, AO/NZ racism would surely wither and die.
The exhibition:
‘Korero Mai’
‘Korero Atu’
By way of an explainer:
http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/media/media-releases/2016/korero-mai-korero-atu
The curator.
https://www.pantograph-punch.com/post/korero-mai-korero-atu
The exhibition was accompanied by a beautifully shot and edited video. I’d very, very highly recommended it.
On a darker, more ominous note:
Read the Listener lately?
Listened to RNZ?
Commercial Radio?
Watched TV?
Read a news paper?
What trite garbage they espouse. We should be ashamed of ourselves for allowing Them, and our all-bought-and-paid-for politicians, do that which they do, to our media.
I’d feel happier if kids smoked cigarettes and drank Gin than watch day time television.
Right on the money there CB. that is precisely the reason why Judith Collins brought the topic up. Cant let too much unity happen. Just imagine what we could do if black brown and white realised we were all in this together and rose up against the very few that keep us chained.
WTF? Hone says gangs=black? Are you saying ALL dark skinned people are in gangs? Is he saying ALL white people are excluded from gangs?
Simple reality; the media and a lot of mainstream NZ don’t want gang members to own illegal guns, no matter what skin colour or ethnic background they come from. Turning this into a race issue shows true racism. IF Hone could show that all Maori where targeted, or that non-Maori gang members were excluded, he’d have a point.
Yes, Taika is right.
I am one of the white boy gun owners you speak of and reading this makes me think you are just stating facts. What is the way forward (aside from fixing NZ’s racist society, which is not going to be easy or quick)?
Jacinda and Stuart Nash have both talked about gun ownership begin a privilege in New Zealand and it does appear to be largely a white privilege. Should Maori have customary hunting and defense rights, similar to current fishing rights?
Yep Taika was bang on and you just confirmed it even further Hone. I must pass on to my 6 year old daughter that in times when a moral compass is required, she must look towards the gangs shining examples.
There is more than an element of truth to Hone’s observation. All of a sudden the gun debate veered off to gun-ownership by gangs.
Brown gangs.
Not far-right, white supremacist gangs like those who I cannot be arsed naming (but we known who they are) – but brown gangs.
All because of one dumb comment by one dumb gang leader (which was later repudiated by others).
Never underestimate the ability of the dominant culture to escape their responsibilities by finding a scapegoat and gesticulating hysterically at it.
Meanwhile, Lest We Forget the alleged Christchurch shooter is a white supremacist.
A white subhuman supremacist ….
Yes he was human ….. but he thought he was both superior too . and yet threaten by other humans …. making him less than, …or sub … human
A supremacist belief is always less than human ….. they are always subhuman supremacists ….
Thats just the way it works ……
Yeah right on Frank. What Hone says,here,is fair enough because MSM took the issue of racism and aimed right back at black people. How wrong is that after that after the real issue is that a short white fucker from Oz murdered 50 and wounded countless more physically and mentally with a gun he was able to buy legally.
Ditto Frank.
Lets not forget the threat of “brown fullas climbing in through the windoes of pure innocent white folk sleeping in their beds”!! Wasn’t that a repugnant piece of race-baiting trash politics?? (Was that John Banks who said that? Don Brash?)
Remember Brash’s notorious Orewa speech?? Wasn’t that a dusgusting piece of racist filth?? But it worked, and he got a 15% bounce in the polls from it. There’s always a racist segment of society who will happily point to “brown fullas” as the problem.
MJOLNIR:
Before you attribute this comment to people still alive, thereby besmirching their reputations, it’d be wise to provide evidence. A link would be good.
No. It wasn’t. It was a vigorous defence of the National party’s political perspective. After that speech was published, I wrote a lengthy response to Brash, in which I disagreed with a number of things he said. In particular, I took issue with what he claimed was a drift toward separatism, and the development of the grievance industry.
However. All these years later, I think that some of what he said was quite prescient. Though other matters he raised have been overtaken by events of course. Seems to me that you haven’t read his speech recently. Or at all, maybe. Here you go:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0401/S00220/nationhood-don-brash-speech-orewa-rotary-club.htm
“Remember Brash’s notorious Orewa speech?? Wasn’t that a dusgusting piece of racist filth?? ”
No. It wasn’t. It was a vigorous defence of the National party’s political perspective. ”
Nope. Racist filth sums it up nicely.
The fact you find Brach’s dog-whistle racism ” prescient” is… troubling.
Frank Macskasy: “Nope. Racist filth sums it up nicely.
The fact you find Brach’s dog-whistle racism ” prescient” is… troubling.”
Sounds as if you also haven’t read Brash’s speech recently. Or at all.
Again: racism is what governments do, not individuals. Brash is as entitled as any other citizen to express an opinion, without the woke Left attempting to beat him about the ears with the racism epithet.
It is my view that those who shout the loudest about Brash have a sneaking suspicion that he might just be right.
What a load of crap. It beggars belief any sane person who utter such nonsense.
And I’m just as entitled to express an opinion that Brash is an unrepentant racist. I’m also entitled to express an opinion, D’esterre, that your weak attempt to minimise Brash’s grotesque racism puts you firmly in his camp.
The hole you’ve put yourself in appears deep enough. Do you really want to keep digging?
“Again: racism is what governments do, not individuals”
SAY WHAT???
As well as trying to sanitise white nationalism, you’re denying racism in individuals??
Anything else you want to tell us, D’esterre?
Like, Which group do you belong to?
It was Jenny Shipley, in 2000;
ref: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=221515
ref: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0005/S00356.htm?from-mobile=bottom-link-01
And yes, Brash’s 2004 Orewa speech was a piece of racist, dog-whistle filth. Anyone who doesn’t understand the deliberate racism in Brash’s speech needs to seriously look at his/her own beliefs, D’esterre.
White gangs brown gangs frank. You tell me whose worse. They’re gangs frank. Forget the colour they’re tooled up ready to go. The brown gangs are normally in the news but the white guy is having a go. They’re all violent and shouldn’t have access to semi auto weapons. This dancing around the truth is pc and bs. The white guy in Christchurch would have been just as happy killing white minority groups. I guess I can’t name them or I don’t get on the show. I don’t go along with your thought process.
yes Hone. NZ in the round is racist (though probably less so than many societies)…but thats no reason to grant a pass on weapons to anyone….regardless.
@ Frank.
The white AU gun-nut guy who shot up a bunch of people humdiddly, dumming to their invisible God is a nutter. People who hate other people of a different skin colour are nutters. Just like people who hate others for their sexy times preferences are nutters. Hater’s, generally, are nutters. Those, who are genuinely sane in an overall way are a rare breed. Those who love unconditionally are rare. Those who enjoy the differences of sex and sexuality are rare. Those, who get pleasure out of embracing a different culture without feeling threatened are rare wee beasties indeed.
I get this sinking feeling that this, is our lot. That we must live cheek by jowl with sundry nutters. That this, is ‘life’. This is it. “We hope you enjoy your stay” in Lunaticville.
Here’s the thing. Be a loving nutter. They’ll not know what to do with you.
BTW. Fantastic cartoon.
Hone is saying black boys are being blamed for a white boy massacre.
I don’t think so.
At the Auckland vigil for NZ’s bereft grieving Muslim Community and their supporters, two Green MP’s and at least two young Maori women spoke apparently blaming Pakeha for the tragedy. One non-Muslim woman told the assembled crowd that white people hate us viz Maori.
It was inappropriate, it should not have been said, and it flew in the face of what P M Ardern was saying, that this terrible event was a time for the country to come together as one, and in support of each other.
None of us should be allowing the shooter, or anybody else, to foment racial discord, because if we do so, then we are helping evil demons to achieve exactly what this horrific sub-human set out to do in ChCh.
A framework has now been established for all the questions needing to be answered to be answered by a Royal Commission of Inquiry. We probably all know some of the questions which are crying out for answers – or shouting out.
What happened in ChCh was terrible. Many of those now living affected by it may never recover. Their lives may never be whole again. We owe it to them all, and to ourselves as a community, to now treat all the ongoing dynamics with as much respect as we can.
You seem to be saying that two Green MP’s and at least two young Maori women who frequently experience racial abuse and call it out should not participate in a vigil in support of a religious minority who lost 50 because of the same sort of discrimination. It is also worth noting that you appear to have jumped on the same bandwagon as those who wilfully misconstrue Golriz Ghahraman’s life story and her stoicism in the face of frequent abuse and threats – some from mainstream media commentators. Shame on you! As for saying the sentiments of those you not too subtly denigrated flew in the face of what the Prime Minister was saying, do you mean Ms Adern denied that discrimination exists?
AOM: “…do you mean Ms Adern denied that discrimination exists?”
I read Applewood’s comment with the care that I always give to comments. That’s not what was said, so I wonder whether you didn’t read it carefully enough.
Here’s what Applewood actually said (or wrote): “…..and it flew in the face of what P M Ardern was saying, that this terrible event was a time for the country to come together as one, and in support of each other.”
This is a sentiment with which I completely agree; I’d have expected that you would, too.
Applewood also said this: “What happened in ChCh was terrible. Many of those now living affected by it may never recover. Their lives may never be whole again. We owe it to them all, and to ourselves as a community, to now treat all the ongoing dynamics with as much respect as we can.”
Bang on. This comment nails it, as far as I’m concerned. I’d have thought you’d also agree with this.
Applewood, you seem to be saying that two Green MP’s and at least two young Maori women who frequently experience racial abuse and call it out should not participate in a vigil in support of a religious minority who lost 50 to the same sort of discrimination. It is also worth noting that you appear to have jumped on the same bandwagon as those who willfully misconstrue Golriz Ghahraman’s life story and stoicism in the face of frequent abuse, some from mainstream media commentators and disturbing threats of violence. Shame on you! As for saying the sentiments of those you have not too subtly denigrated flew in the face of what the Prime Minister was saying – do you mean Ms Adern denied that discrimination exists?
Aom, (1) Yes – and most certainly not in that way.
(2) No, – I don’t know what bandwagon, you’re referring to – rarely do MSM.
(3) No.
“in support of a religious minority who lost 50 because of the same sort of discrimination” ? Same sort of discrimination ?
Same sort of discrimination as 50 persons slaughtered en masse one peaceful Friday afternoon? Dear God.
Applewood: “It was inappropriate, it should not have been said, and it flew in the face of what P M Ardern was saying, that this terrible event was a time for the country to come together as one, and in support of each other.”
Indeed it was. And that same comment was made by some people who were there. It was opportunism of the most unfortunate sort. I think we’d be justified in characterising it as “shroud waving”.
Nice to read intelligent replies to the article, which in itself is very black and white.
Some measured reasoning is always nice, rather than the usual UnZud response of, “One of you has been naughty, so now everyone will be punished”… even if the culprits are not UnZudlanders and even if a lack of administration by the police (who are now tooling up and shutting down ANZAC parades) and our all powerful spy agencies are more to be scrutinized.
So after a White guy kills 50 brown people and there for because of it, is probably a miscalculation to get you to go along with Chris Bishop and Judith Collins calls to send in tactical police squads into brown areas which is a theme that stretched back not only through the National Party but Labour as well. This is such a leap in logic it’s so pretentious and comes up all to often when some one is concerned with controlling the left narritive. So any excuse to give the right a break for the day and focus on brown on brown or white on brown violence or at least left on left debate.
Samuel Bellamy: “…the article, which in itself is very black and white.”
Pardon the pun…..
Gangs should not be allowed to own illegal guns, end of story. The colour of their skin is entirely irrelevant, and there is nothing racist about insisting they give their illegal guns up. The primary victims of gangs are the poor.
Hopefully the Police are going to enforce the new laws and round up all the illegal weapons floating around in society. Followed up by sound sentencing by the NZ Judiciary ?
The NZ Gangs mainly hold weapons for intimidation purposes and for the collection of drug debts.
Drugs and weapons are not a good combination, most gang members are on drugs and most gang members own guns hence it is a potentially lethal cocktail IMHO ?
Keep hoping. The Police don’t do a good job of enforcing current firearms laws and the courts continue to give weak sentences to those who commit crime with unlicensed firearms.
They are not allowed to own illegal guns – and neither is anyone else!
Hone sees everything as a race thing. That’s because he’s a racist.
Hone is just calling it how it is, this country was founded on racism
(assimilation is racism) and the so called racist Maori electoral seats were created by the racist colonial settlers so Maori couldn’t out vote them despite Maori out numbering Pakeha settlers now they want to get rid of the seats they call racist but they created them to control the Maori people at that time. Bloody hypocrites learn your history.
No, I don’t think he is. He seems to be saying that in the wake of the Christchurch terror attack in which military style weapons were used to slaughter 50 people, any focus on the fact that gangs also have those weapons is inherently racist. That’s an absurd argument. His claim that “white” people are getting a free pass is nonsense. Most of those affected by the new regulations will in fact be “white” people. Most of the media discussion has focused on farmers and gun enthusiasts, and only partially on the gangs, yet in Hone’s mind we have totally ignored white gun owners and are focused solely on gangs because we’er all a bunch of racists. That’s simply not true. In fact, the vast majority of the media’s attention has been on white supremacist ideology and groups, not on gangs, contrary to his claim.
Heres another group who were also called racist …. and slandered worse than Hone is ….. by people like Andrew
Its a short video of about 15 minutes …. informative about the black panthers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPN8LHVeFYA
You seem to be saying that two Green MP’s and at least two young Maori women who frequently experience racial abuse and call it out should not participate in a vigil in support of a religious minority who lost 50 because of the same sort of discrimination. It is also worth noting that you appear to have jumped on the same bandwagon as those who wilfully misconstrue Golriz Ghahraman’s life story and her stoicism in the face of frequent abuse and threats – some from mainstream media commentators. Shame on you! As for saying the sentiments of those you not too subtly denigrated flew in the face of what the Prime Minister was saying, do you mean Ms Adern denied that discrimination exists?
Replied once at 3.50 pm Aom – unless you expect me to sing each song twice over lest you should think I never could recapture that first fine
careless rapture.
Nope.
Hone is just calling it how it is, this country was founded on racism
(assimilation is racism) and the so called racist Maori electoral seats were created by the racist colonial settlers so Maori couldn’t out vote them despite Maori out numbering Pakeha settlers now they want to get rid of the seats they call racist but they created them to control the Maori people at that time. Bloody hypocrites learn your history.
Hone is just calling it how it is, this country was founded on racism
(assimilation is racism) and the so called racist Maori electoral seats were created by the racist colonial settlers so Maori couldn’t out vote them despite Maori out numbering Pakeha settlers now they want to get rid of the seats they call racist but they created them to control the Maori people at that time. Bloody hypocrites learn your history.
Wikipedia :
You are right Michelle, in calling out assimilation as racist; it is medieval, soul-destroying, and massively socially destructive.
“Who’s got most of them – the WHITE BOYS (white farmers, white gun shop owners, white gun club members, white gun importers and white nationalists)”
For heaven’s sake! Are you claiming that there aren’t Maori farmers, hunters and other Maori who own legal guns? Gimme a break here: this is disingenuous nonsense.
White nationalists! Oh good grief…..
“In a country bristling with white racists, white power gangs, white police structures, white justice frameworks, white penal systems, white nationalists and white supremacists…”
Speaking of disingenuous nonsense, here is more of it. I challenge the author’s unreflective use of the term “racist”. When I was a young adult, racism was understood to be what governments do: apartheid and the like; citizens could be biased or prejudiced, but that wasn’t the same thing. Only governments can implement systems of laws and regulations which discriminate against – or in favour of – entire groups of citizens on the basis of religion or ethnicity. Individuals can’t have that kind of widescale effect.
It really irritates me that the term “racism” has been generalised out to include individual prejudice and bigotry. It’s become a reductio ad absurdum. The term is now used by – in particular – the woke Left, as an epithet with which to beat people about the ears when they say things that others don’t like.
Bias is part of the human condition: it’s futile to try and expunge it. In any event, what is of moment is what people do, not what they say. Our legal system doesn’t privilege – or discriminate against – people on the basis of their ethnicity. In other words, this isn’t a racist society.
I’m well aware that disproportionate numbers of Maori and Pacific people are involved with the justice system; there are also problems with lack of success in education, difficulties with access to healthcare, and with joblessness. But the operative factor here is class, broadly conceived in this country as one’s income level, not skin colour, which is actually irrelevant. Over the last 30ish years, as neoliberalism has ravaged our lovely country, the face of poverty has become disproportionately Maori and Pacific. Not exclusively though; there are pakeha among the poor, and they have broadly the same issues as do Maori and Pacific people.
“Taika was right – NZ is a fuckin’ racist society”
No. It isn’t. There sure is prejudice, though. There are many different ethnicities living here now: of course they’ll exhibit bias in favour of their own kind. Why wouldn’t they? That’s the human condition, after all. And let’s not be having any holier-than-thou-ness from the author about Maori not being biased against other ethnic groups here, including pakeha. Anyone who’s worked with Maori – as I have – knows that’s just not true.
D’Esterre, what you are saying about the social-economic effects of neo-liberalism is spot-on, but politicians won’t agree as they have nearly all been party to its implementation and heart-breaking destructiveness.
NZ’s geographical isolation hasn’t helped either; in Europe for example, people can be in and out of each other’s differing countries on a daily basis and accept the differences, but we’re stuck down the bottom of the world with historically only two major racial groups and by and large have sadly lacked those experiences of significantly different cultures.
I was delighted when Harawira went AWOL in Paris that he was having the opportunity to see some of my cultural heritage – especially when he hadn’t previously got off his backside and sought it out himself as so many Kiwis have long done- and on the smell of an oily rag too.
It is tiresome when something untoward happens and protagonists immediately cop-out and play the race card bleating, “Only because I’m white/ black/ brown/ pink,” and I am reminded of Job’s query to God:
Job, “Why me, Lord ?”
God “Because sometimes you just piss me off.”
Applewood: “….politicians won’t agree as they have nearly all been party to its implementation and heart-breaking destructiveness.”
I fear that you’re right. And that includes the pusillanimous lot currently occupying the treasury benches here.
“…in Europe for example, people can be in and out of each other’s differing countries on a daily basis and accept the differences…”
Indeed. We have family in central Europe; they live a short drive from the Hungarian border. Family members do project work all over Europe – including eastern Europe – and north Africa. Not so long ago, one relative did an 8-month stint in Switzerland. They certainly don’t get all hot and bothered about differing ethnicities and cultures.
“It is tiresome when something untoward happens and protagonists immediately cop-out and play the race card bleating, “Only because I’m white/ black/ brown/ pink…”
Yup. I’m increasingly irked by it. It solves nothing. And reaction nationwide to the ChCh shootings should give everyone comfort and reassurance that, as a society, we’re generally pointed in the right direction.
“Job, “Why me, Lord ?”
God “Because sometimes you just piss me off.””
Very funny! I passed that along to a family member for their delectation. But of course it points up a fact of life which we all must accept: sometimes, shit just happens. And on those occasions, it’s pointless attempting to ascribe blame for that shit to one group or another.
Read an interview with Elina Garanca, (Sp?) Latvian opera singer about how glad she was to return home to continental Europe
after working in America, which she found tedious and homogeneous – and if she found the colourful warm USA that way, NZ would be a big challenge. It is.
We’re a v narrow lot here and, and rightly or wrongly I attribute much of it to the predominantly Scot, Irish & English original immigrants; we had a good influx of Dutch post WW11, but more French (my lot) Spanish, Greeks, Italians, Portugese, soulful Russians, and colourful Hindu, and Africans carrying the genes of all of us -and we could be quite a vibrant little country – weather permitting.
Applewood: “Elina Garanca, (Sp?) Latvian opera singer about how glad she was to return home to continental Europe
after working in America, which she found tedious and homogeneous – and if she found the colourful warm USA that way, NZ would be a big challenge.”
Ah yes, Elina Garanca (a bit of nerdy language stuff: there is a diacritic above the “c” in her name, which renders the “c” more or less as “ch”, as in “chair”): a wonderful singer, who’s performed with (among others) the equally splendid Anna Netrebko; and the sublime but sadly now deceased Dmitri Hvorostovsky.
Her impression of the US is interesting and a bit surprising, given the musical environment there. I wonder if the difference compared to Europe for her is the ubiquity of English. Even though English is widely spoken in Europe as a second language, everyone speaks their native language, and cultures differ from country to country. Whereas there are aspects of culture that Americans have in common.
Yup, NZ would be a big challenge for her, though less than it would’ve been before the last war.
“We’re a v narrow lot here and, and rightly or wrongly I attribute much of it to the predominantly Scot, Irish & English original immigrants”
I think you’re right: that’s my personal heritage and that’s how I’ve always seen it. There were from the beginning small numbers of migrants from other parts of the world, but after WW2, there was a significant jump in the numbers from Europe.Those people have without doubt changed the cultural landscape here, in my view for the better.
“…we could be quite a vibrant little country – weather permitting.”
Heh! Yeah….sadly, not much we can do about the weather. Think it was Geoff Palmer who said that this is a pluvial country.
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