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The SIS & GCSB combined budget for last year was $230m – how come they didn’t see a white supremacist plotting an atrocity?

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I’m sick of hearing ‘he wasn’t on our radar’ the fucking radar wasn’t switched on!

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Last year the GCSB & SIS had a combined budget of $230m – yet couldn’t spot a white supremacist who crossed the border on multiple occasions & was planning an atrocity for 2 years!

I’m sick of hearing ‘he wasn’t on our radar’ the fucking radar wasn’t switched on!

As the horror of the atrocity passes from grief to rage, we need to demand hard questions from the NZ Intelligence Agencies who are supposed to protect us from this kind of extremism.

Oh the State Agencies have had time to spy on Māori, Greenpeace, Earthquake survivors, The Greens, MANA Party and Social Justice Activists, and the last SIS threat assessment went on and on about the supposed threat of Radicalised Islamists yet only mentioned the rise of white supremacy in passing as a global trend, not a specific threat to us.

The intelligence agencies are all right wing, they saw the threat to NZ from environmentalists hurting oil company profits, white supremacists weren’t even part of their threat assessment.

It is obvious from reading this mutants manifesto that the specific keyword language he is using would be picked up by a basic algorithm if white supremacy had been on a watch list.

What the Christ were the GCSB & SIS spending that $240m on last year? How could a white supremacist who crossed the border on multiple occasions to go on a tiki tour of white supremacist hot spots nit get noticed?

These agencies broke the law, illegally spied on and shut down an entire Māori township over the Urewera terrorism fiasco, yet they were blindsided by a white supremacist?

I’m not for one second suggesting we give these agencies MORE power, I’m demanding they use the existing powers they have to actually protects us from real threats, not the pretend ones they think we are threatened by.

When will someone from the SIS resign over this enormous Intelligence failure?

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24 Comments

  1. Sam Sam says:

    Resign, good call. Now, who might take over and lead the GCSB and SIS on the further glory. I mean the real threats just aren’t bubbling up to the surface and when we try and fabricate threats as in Dotcom and Tame Iti the GCSB over cooks and they get burnt out of there own closed courts. So Y’know we don’t just need nerds, we need nerds who can win bar fights.

  2. Rosemary McDonald says:

    “What the Christ were the GCSB & SIS spending that $240m on last year? How could a white supremacist who crossed the border on multiple occasions to go on a tiki tour of white supremacist hot spots nit get noticed?”

    Because they are institutionally blinkered. By their own admission.

    https://www.nzic.govt.nz/assets/CareerBooklets/Diversity-and-Inclusion-Strategy.pdf

    If I were clever enough I’d post a couple of the pie charts (and the keys) from that document….really very telling, and to me answers a number of questions.

    And some of that budget has gone to address this issue.

    And some went to this…https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/secret%E2%80%99s-out-spies-fly-rainbow-flag

  3. DennyPaoa says:

    “I’m not for one second suggesting we give these agencies MORE power,…” All they have to do, is, “Do Their Fucking Job!”

    • Mjolnir says:

      Quite right Denny. They have all the power they could possibly need inckuding the GSCB being able to spy on anyone they want in NZ. Bad news is that they ficused on leftists, environmentalists, and jiurnos like Nicky Hagger. Whats the point of giving the useless pricks MORE MONEY or EXTENDING THEIR POWERS (is that even possible?????) when they wont surveil far riggt fascist zealots???

      The head of both the SIS and GSCB should resign asap

  4. John W says:

    They were protecting

    “we measure our progress against three key measures: earnings, cash and return on invested capital.”

    In other word Capitalism vs Climate

    BAU extinction vs change to survival.

    Greed vs cooperative social structure.

  5. mosa says:

    Maybe the relaxed , laid back kiwi way of life is just not sufficient in the dangerous world we now have joined.
    We pride ourselves on this approach but there is something amiss when it comes to strong law , accountability , commitment to do what is right in these situations.
    Too many groups seem to have veto over our parliament enacting good common sense law like the gun lobby and other vested groups.
    The spy agencies have concentrated on soft targets in their treatment of the groups Bomber mentioned and the money spent so far is an outrage considering they have failed to see this event.
    Even Turkey has commented that they don’t expect any action will be taken in New Zealand because we don’t have strong law in essence we are too soft when it really counts.
    The road toll is a typical example of weak law , no enforcement or respect for the law as it stands.
    My local Pak n Save has a 10km speed limit while you are in their carpark but not one person slows down , its as if the signs and road marking don’t exist.
    Or if i don’t lower my speed and hit someone it is their fault not mine.
    Our approach has to change and not just with our security agencies but with New Zealanders themselves and the government has too lead the way.
    It is a rare thing these days for anyone to fall on their sword when there is a case to do so , they have too be pushed rather than admitting responsibility and saying i got it wrong.

  6. Marc says:

    Maybe they simply do not connect to ordinary people who may be more connected and hear from their circles, where such risk factors sit or stand?

    Wasted money for no benefit to us, stop mass surveillance, connect with people and follow the real tracks and traces.

  7. Pat O'Dea says:

    They missed the Rainbow Warrior bombing. They missed this.

    Their agenda is set by their 5 Eyes partners.

    They don’t care about us.

    • Sam Sam says:

      There was a rumour that a P-3 pilot armed with 200 pound bombs was tracking a vessel headed towards French Polonesia not long after the French terrorists was able to evade police custody. The story goes that the pilot requested permission from higher ups to fire on the vessel, higher than The Chief of Defence and Minister of Defence and the word came down to stand down.

  8. Ngungukai says:

    The GCSB & SIS were too busy monitoring the people being attacked and Maori Activists, white people do not usually cause this sort of trouble ?

  9. RED BUZZARD says:

    How many people’s comments are getting censored out on this blog site?….mine certainly are not getting through?

    …so much for democracy here

  10. G.A.P. says:

    Beginning to wonder myself RED BUZZARD, having had a number of reply’s sail off into the ether. Being an old codger i initially thought maybe i didn’t send it etc. but now copy with date time sent?

    • RED BUZZARD says:

      ha ha…yes maybe I should do the same

      • Iain McLean says:

        Red Buzzard;

        “…so much for democracy here”

        Should read ‘so much for freedom of speech here.’

        If you go to Martyn’s first article on this subject (below) and scroll down the comments you will see the warnings from the Moderator to a number of people.(myself included)

        Take particular attention to warnings to IKE.

        Then there is a general statement at the bottom he says for clarity.

        https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/03/15/mass-shooting-in-christchurch-possible-white-supremacist-link/

        My comment here has been blocked as well.

        My issue was only about the use of the term ‘White Supremacist’ instead of ‘White Nationalist’ that is being used overseas.
        Entirely two different things.

        The takeaway seems that if you criticize the Official Narrative you’re gone.

        I don’t think we will see IKE again for a while. Could be wrong.

        Cheers.

        I have not read the name of the censored Manifesto anywhere either –
        “The Great Replacement” – which could be another clue.

        [Iain, user “Ike” continues to post on TDB with his usual username. – Scarletmod]

  11. Helena says:

    [Comment declined for publication. We will not publish conspiracy theorising. The court case is still pending. – Scarletmod]

  12. OnceWasTim says:

    @ Martyn, after today, I’m pretty sure the radar has just been switched on.
    What we’ll need to do is watch closely just how much push-back comes from within (i.e. within the ranks of various agencies), and what the response will be.
    For example:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/news/21-03-2019/the-15-3-inquiry-what-questions-will-they-need-to-ask/

    (and in that article – pay close attention to Andrew Little’s comments re ‘organisational culture’. AND, when they’re looking at that, let’s also hope they reference Dame Anne Salmond’s take on it all:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213747

    Pretty sure there are a few in our public services that are SUDDENLY getting all touchy feely and ‘We hear what your saying’

    They’re not going unnoticed.

  13. Ngungukai says:

    Why are we not monitoring the NZ Gangs & the Asian Crime Syndicates here in NZ ?

  14. Ngungukai says:

    … also we need to look into money laundering here in NZ ?

    A thorough Audit is required of the GCSB and the SIS IMHO ?

    Probably staffed by CIA and Israeli Operatives ?

  15. Iain McLean says:

    “What the Christ were the GCSB & SIS spending that $240m on last year? How could a white supremacist who crossed the border on multiple occasions to go on a tiki tour of white supremacist hot spots not get noticed?

    Right on the button Martyn.

    I can not believe, for one minute, that someone over a period of 2yrs, can visit
    Bulgaria, around East Europe, China and North Korea of all places, was in Pakistan last October, without the Authorities at least knowing about him.

    His passport will have stamps all over it.!! Beggars belief.

    Andrew Little’s comments are interesting above. Hat tip Oncewastim.

    Cheers.

    • “Ican not believe, for one minute, that someone over a period of 2yrs, can visit
      Bulgaria, around East Europe, China and North Korea of all places, was in Pakistan last October, without the Authorities at least knowing about him.”

      You’re kidding right?

      Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of young people in Australia and New Zealand have done their OEs throughout dozens of countries?!

      Haven’t you done your OE, Iain? How many countries have you visited?

      It’s not a conspiracy. It’s international travel.

    • RED BUZZARD says:

      +100 IAIN MCLEAN and Martyn Bradbury

  16. ALH84001 says:

    “What the Christ were the GCSB & SIS spending that $240m on last year? How could a white supremacist who crossed the border on multiple occasions to go on a tiki tour of white supremacist hot spots nit get noticed?”

    Why did the GCSB and SIS miss it?

    Because it was free speech and free speech has been elevated to an untouchable status by both the Right and some on the Left! It’s only when your skin is brown that the GCSB and SIS take note!

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