GUEST BLOG: Selwyn Manning – Christchurch Terror Attacks – New Zealand’s Darkest Hour – Friday 15th 2019

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One thing is certain; to stamp out the evil of hate extremism, New Zealanders will pay a price that will be charged against the Kiwi lifestyle. Personal liberties of freedom, of expression and privacy will certainly be eroded further as this nation of the South Pacific grapples with how to keep its peoples safe. The means of how to achieve relative safety will be hotly debated, but it is a necessary juncture in this nation’s history, a moment when we all must confront and challenge ourselves so that people of innocence, people like little three year old Mucaad Ibrahim, can go about their days in trust, in peace, in joyful purpose and achieve their deserved potential. Anything less is a second killing for the victims of Friday 15, New Zealand’s darkest hour.

Child at Ponsonby Mosque; image by David Robie, republished with thanks to Pacific Media Centre/AsiaPacificReport.nz.

OUT OF THE BLUE:

It was 1:39pm, Friday March 15. As was usual for a Friday hundreds of people had turned up to pray at the Al Noor Mosque in Riccarton, Christchurch. All was peaceful, women, children, men, people of all ages young and old, both Sunni and Shia, were in contemplative repose free of worry. It was a mild, late summer, 20 degrees celsius day. Earlier, the touring Bangladesh Cricket Team had briefly visited the mosque, but left early to attend a press conference. By 1:39pm, they had returned and were outside exiting a bus, intending to continue with their prayers inside the mosque.

At 1:40pm, ahead of the team, a man entered the mosque walking quickly up the front steps. He was carrying an assault rifle and dressed in combat uniform. He immediately began shooting people who were kneeling in prayer. The shots rang out and the Bangladesh team members realising they were witnesses to an attack, retreated, and fled on foot to nearby Hagley Park.

Back inside the Al Noor Mosque scores of worshipers were being gunned down, some killed instantly, others bleeding to death. The victims included little Mucaad Ibrahim who was three years of age. Mucaad was known by his loved ones as a wise “old soul” and possessed an “intelligence beyond his years”. Eye witnesses said that once the killer began shooting people, little Mucaad became separated from his family. In the chaos, his family could not find him. The next day Police confirmed he too had been shot dead by the killer.

The murders continued at the Al Noor Mosque until the killer’s firearms ran out of bullets. Then, he simply walked out of the mosque, got in his car, and drove six kilometres to the Linwood Mosque. There too were people who had gathered for their regular Friday afternoon prayers.

Al Noor Mosque to Linwood Mosque – EveningReportNZ/Google Maps.

Inside Linwood Mosque was Abdul Aziz, a man who had gathered with his Muslim brothers. He had just begun his second pray when he heard gunshots outside. At first he thought it was someone playing with firecrackers (fireworks). But then, within seconds, he heard people screaming.

Mr Aziz picked up an EFTPOS (electronic funds transaction) machine from a table inside the mosque. He ran outside. He saw a man he describes as looking like a soldier. He said to the man: “Who are you”. Mr Aziz then saw three people lying on the ground dead from shotgun blasts. He realised the man was the killer. He approached the attacker, threw the EFTPOS machine hitting the killer, who in turn took from his vehicle a second firearm (a military style semi-automatic assault rifle) and fired four to five shots at Abdul Aziz, missing him. Then, in an attempt to lure the killer away from other people, Mr Aziz shouted at the killer from behind a car: “Come, I’m here. Come I’m here!”

Mr Aziz said he didn’t want the killer to go inside the mosque and kill more people. But the killer remained focussed. He walked directly to the entrance, once inside the mosque he continued his killing spree. Survivors speak of the killer wearing “army clothes”, dressed in “SWAT combat clothing”, helmeted, wearing a vest and a balaclava.

Inside the Linwood Mosque, another witness, Shoaib Gani, was kneeling in prayer. He heard a noise like fireworks but he and others weren’t too concerned and continued with their prayers. Then, as he and his fellow worshipers were kneeling speaking verses from the Koran, the man next to him fell forward with blood pouring from his head. He had been shot and killed instantly, Mr Gani said. Then others too began falling to the floor dead.

Mr Gani crawled under a table. He saw the killer and his firearm. “Written on the rifle were the words, ‘Welcome to hell’,” he said.

Victims, who were wounded and bleeding, were pleading with Mr Gani to help them. But he was frozen to a spot under a table knowing that the killer was walking around the mosque killing as many people as he could. Mr Gani believed he too would also soon be dead, so he reached for his cellphone, he called his parent’s back home in India. But no one answered. He tried to call his father’s number, but the phone kept ringing. He saw people around him bleeding to death. Others with fatal head-wounds “their brains were hanging out. I just couldn’t do anything. I didn’t know what to do.” Mr Gani phoned 111 (the New Zealand emergency number) and told the authorities people were dead and injured: “The lady on the phone asked me to stay on the line as long as I could.”

Outside, Abdul Aziz picked up one of the killer’s discarded shotguns. Inside the mosque, the killer’s assault rifle ran out of bullets. The killer then “dropped his firearm” and ran back to his vehicle. He got in the driver’s seat. Mr Aziz then ran toward the car. He threw a discarded shotgun at the killer’s vehicle: “I threw it like an arrow. It shattered his window.” Mr Aziz thinks the killer thought someone had shot at him with a loaded gun. The killer turned. He swore at Mr Aziz. When the window burst it covered the inside of the car with glass. Mr Aziz said the killer “then took off” driving in his car. He then turn right away from the mosque driving through a red traffic light and out into Christchurch suburban streets.

Some minutes later, Police and ambulance officers arrived at Linwood Mosque. Anti-Terrorist armed Police entered the mosque. Inside, Mr Gani said the survivors were ordered to put their hands up above their heads. The mass murder scene was covered in blood. The Police then secured the area. Some victims survived because they were under the bodies of the dead. Police told survivors to gather near a grassed area outside. There, people began weeping for their husbands, wives, parents, children, friends.

THE ARREST:

Alleged killer, Brenton Harrison Tarrant, appeared in court on March 16 2019 charged with one count of murder. Further charges will be laid. While before the court, he smiled at onlookers and signalled a white supremacist sign with his fingers – EveningReportNZ/Screengrab of TVNZ coverage.

Seventeen minutes later, two Police officers identified the killer, apparently driving his car. They drove the police car into the killer’s vehicle, ramming it against a curb. Immediately, they disarmed the killer, cuffed him, noticed home made bombs in the vehicle – IEDs (improvised explosive devices). They arrested the man and secured the scene.

The rest of Christchurch was in lock-down, children were kept safe inside their classrooms, hospitals began to prepare for casualties, the city’s streets became eerily quiet, people were locked in to libraries, shops, their homes. Police and armed forces helicopters networked the skies. No one knew if the terrorist attacks were committed by a group of people or a lone gunman.

But back inside and entrances to the two mosques, 50 people were dead – one of the dead was discovered the next day by Police, the body was laying beneath others who had been killed. Scores of others were in hospital fighting for their lives, at least another ten were in a critical condition in intensive care. Pathologists from all over New Zealand and Australia were heading to Christchurch to help with documenting the method of murder of the dead.

Within hours of the killings, Australian media named the alleged killer as an Australian born citizen named Brenton Tarrant, 28 years of age. On Saturday morning The Australian newspaper’s front page read “Australia’s evil export”.

Other media in New Zealand followed with details of the man’s background. Brenton Harrison Tarrant appeared in court the next day charged with one single count of murder. Other charges will follow. His duty lawyer did not seek name suppression nor bail, the lawyer told the judge: “I’m simply seeking remand and a high court next-available-hearing date.” Tarrant stood cuffed, smiling at those in the courtroom, at one point signaling with his fingers a ‘white supremacist’ sign. He will next appear in the Christchurch High Court on April 5.

THE AFTERMATH:

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern later told media: “It was absolutely his [the offender’s) intention to continue with his attack.” PM Ardern said: “Police are working to build a picture of this tragic event. A complex and comprehensive investigation is (now) underway.” To balance the requirement of investigation with the customs of Muslim burials, PM Ardern said liaison officers are with the victims’ loved ones to help “in a way that is consistent with Muslim faith while taking into account these unprecedented circumstances and the obligations to the coroner.”

PM Ardern said, survivors of the massacre had indicated that this attack was not “of the New Zealand that they know”.

One day later, Survivor Shoaib Gani (mentioned above) told media he still could not sleep or eat. The sounds and sights were still vivid in his head: “I still can feel myself lying on the floor waiting for the bullets to hit me.” He said, he will travel back to India to visit family, but he will return to Christchurch: “It’s just a few people, you know. You can’t blame the whole of New Zealand for this… It’s a good country, people are peaceful. Everybody has helped me here. One right wing (person) doesn’t mean everyone is bad. So I can come back here and live and hope nothing like this happens in the future.”

In the hours after the attacks, all around New Zealand, in the cities and in small country areas, Police were stationed and were ready in case others were involved and were preparing further crimes.

In the hours after the attacks, all around New Zealand, in the cities and in small country areas, like here at Taihape’s Ad-Deen Mosque, people lay flowers as a sign of support and aroha. Image, Selwyn Manning/EveningReport.nz taken Saturday March 16, 2019.

Beside the Police officers, people, of all races and religions, began laying flowers at the steps to their local mosques. Messages included read: “Salam Alaikum, Peace be unto you”, and, Aroha nui”, “Peace and love”, “You are one of us”. The outpouring of grief swept the South Pacific nation, and as this piece was written, a mood of support, comfort, reassurance and solidarity with those of Muslim faith was in evidence.

In Australia, Sydney’s landmark Opera House was like a beacon in the night; coloured blue, red, and white – the colours of the New Zealand flag embossed with the silver fern (Ponga) an emblem of Aotearoa New Zealand. Australia’s peoples, like in New Zealand, began laying flowers at the steps of its mosques in a gesture of inclusiveness.

In the aftermath, New Zealand’s Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has committed to ongoing financial assistance to dependents of those who have died or are injured, and assistance, she said, will be ongoing.

Questions are being leveled as to how a person with hate can enter, live, and purchase weapons in New Zealand while expressing hate toward other cultures and harbouring an intent to kill others.

PM Ardern said: “The guns used in this case appear to have been modified. That is a challenge Police have been facing, and that is a challenge that we will look to address in changing our laws… We need to include the fact that modification of guns which can lead them to become essentially the kinds of weapons we have seen used in this terrorist act.”

When asked how she was coping personally with the tragedy, she said: “I am feeling the exact same emotions that every New Zealander is facing. Yes, I have the additional responsibility and weight of expressing the grief of all New Zealanders and I certainly feel that.”

That responsibility includes ensuring New Zealand’s Police, the nation’s intelligence and security services and “the process around watch-lists, including whether or not our border protections are currently in a status that they should be, and, including our gun laws.”

THE BACKSTORY:

Indeed, New Zealand is part of the so-called ‘Five Eyes’ intelligence network that includes the USA, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Global surveillance is coordinated and prioritised among the Five Eyes member states. While significant resource, technology and sophistication is committed to the Five Eyes intelligence agencies, New Zealanders fear that those who find themselves as targets, or within the scope of intelligence officers, are predominantly of the Muslim faith.

In contrast, the accused killer who allegedly committed the horrific Christchurch mosque attacks, has been active both on social media and the dark web expressing, with an intensifying degree, his ideology of hate and intolerance. It does appear of the highest public interest, certainly from an open source intelligence point of view, to ask questions of why New Zealand’s (and indeed the Five Eyes intelligence network’s) surveillance experts did not detect the expressed evil that had radicalised the heart and mind of the perpetrator of this massacre.

It is also fact, that New Zealand is a comparatively safe and peaceful nation. But within its midst are people and groups fermenting on racially-based hate ideas. Whether it be in isolation or among organised groupings, the threat of racially driven terror crimes exists.

The alleged killer, Brenton Tarrant, has lived among those of New Zealand’s southern city Dunedin for at least two years. It appears he was radicalised around 2010 after his father died and he toured Europe. He wrote about becoming “increasingly disgusted” at immigrant communities. In early 2018, Tarrant joined a Dunedin gun club and began practicing his shooting skills and allegedly planned his attacks.

Regarding Christchurch, while it has a history of overt white racist gangs, at this juncture, it does not appear they were directly involved in this series of crimes.

But this leads to many unanswered questions, including:

  • Was the killer a lone mass murderer, a sleeper in a cell of one?
  • Were those with whom he communicated and engaged with on the web in extreme white racist ideologies aware of his plans?
  • Was Christchurch chosen by the killer for logistical reasons?
  • Was it because the city is easier to drive around than Dunedin, Wellington or Auckland?
  • Was it because Christchurch has at least two mosques within easy driving distance?
  • Were the Bangladesh Cricket team in his scope of attacks?
  • Was the killer attempting to incite a violent response from Christchurch’s burgeoning Muslim community, or, expecting a response from the Alt-Right, from white racist groups such as the Right Wing Resistance (RWR), the Fourth Reich, and Christchurch’s skinhead community?
New Zealand has in its midst white supremacist neo nazi gangs like this Right Wing Resistance gang. Was the killer of those at the two Christchurch mosques attempting to ignite retaliation and violence? Image/obtained.

THE FUTURE:

Survivors of Friday 15th’s terrorist attack say they have complained of an increase in racism and expressed hate in recent times. They say, their concerns have not been taken seriously. These are the concerns that Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has committed to listen to, has committed to represent, and, as the prime advocate for her country’s peoples, to act on to ensure cracks in New Zealand’s border, security and intelligence apparatus are corrected.

And, what of New Zealand’s social culture? How will it be affected? That will be determined by the actions of each individual person, each community, town and city and how as a nation New Zealand redefines “The Kiwi Way”.

Members of New Zealand’s media will also need to act responsibly. It is fair to say some have a reputation for argument that verges on alt-right intolerance, for example, on Twitter only two days after the mass murders, a prominent radio journalist, who is employed by one of New Zealand’s largest networks, tweeted: “28 years on an [sic] we still haven’t stopped madmen getting guns. #ChChMosque… [Replying to @Politikwebsite] And the neo nationalist right are the result of the virtue signaling exclusionary left.”

Perhaps such examples are out of step with New Zealand’s population. But such attitudes do create a dialogue of justification for those who harbour intolerance. However, if the outpouring of love and compassion continues to bind rather than divide, then perhaps New Zealand has received, as they say, ‘a wake-up call’, where racial intolerance and extreme ideologies have no place among peoples of all kinds, Maori and Pakeha, of all religions, political persuasions and creeds.

Flowers at Ponsonby mosque, Auckland, NZ. 17 March 2019. Image courtesy of Prof David Robie, Pacific Media Centre and AsiaPacificReport.nz.

One thing is certain; to stamp out the evil of hate extremism, New Zealanders will pay a price that will be charged against the Kiwi lifestyle. Personal liberties of freedom, of expression and privacy will certainly be eroded further as this nation of the South Pacific grapples with how to keep its peoples safe. The means of how to achieve relative safety will be hotly debated, but it is a necessary juncture in this nation’s history, a moment when we all must confront and challenge ourselves so that people of innocence, people like little three year old Mucaad Ibrahim, can go about their days in trust, in peace, in joyful purpose and achieve their deserved potential. Anything less is a second killing for the victims of Friday 15, New Zealand’s darkest hour.

Rongotea School symbol of unity since 1881 – image, Selwyn Manning, EveningReportNZ taken Friday 15, 2019.

EDITOR’S NOTE: This article was written for, and first published by, German magazine Cicero.de(ref. Attentat in Christchurch – Willkommen in der Hölle). Thanks also to Prof David Robie, Pacific Media Centre and AsiaPacificReport.nz for providing the featured image for this article.

Selwyn Manning is one of NZs leading political commentators and journalists. He is the editor of the Evening Report.

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26 Comments

  1. Nitrium Nitrium says:

    “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Benjamin Franklin.

    Now obviously semi-auto assault rifles are not “essential liberty”, and I have zero issue with seeing them go. However, if this is seen as NZ’s “9/11 moment”, and we go Orwellian Surveillance State by empowering new and/or existing agencies with wide-reaching powers (i.e. the NZ equivalent of the TSA, NSA, Homeland security and the Patriot Act), I’m not on board whatsoever. This nutjob imo should be treated similar to how you deal with a serial killer: attempt to restrict his modus operandi (in this case assault rifles), and try and understand what drove him to do it in order to avoid/nip in the bud future “copy-cat” murderers.

  2. Mjolnir says:

    The irony of tge US NRA equating high powered firearms with “liberty” is about as farcical as one can get. Especually as the NRA is more a took of the US arms industry than actual gun owners. But the real specious nature of that argument can be demonstrated thst if gun ownership is a measure of liberty, then Afghanisran, Syria, and Iraq should be the freest nations on Earth

    Obviously theres a flaw in that argument

    As for the spy agencies needing more powers, I call bullshit on that. The whole GSCB debate a few years ago focused on theKey led govt extending the surveillance powers of the spooks. Thevlegislative changes went through and the GSCB is nowcable to spy on everyone in NZ, not just oversees

    They dont lack for powers. They just need to fucking well use them property and stop hassling leftists, mulsims and enviromentalisrs

    Selwyn, damn good blogpost

  3. Diablo pablo says:

    120 christians killed by Nigerian muslims in the last 3 weeks , where’s the uproar about that , everyone just needs to accept that sooner or later there will be conflict , Europe is already struggling with it , when will be a good time to talk about prob never but it seems it has comes to our shores earlier than anyone anticipated … strikes me as strange that both the police and the Muslim league were informed about wat was to happen yet no one thought to do anything , before aeverybody starts with knee jerk reaction why don’t we look at the checks and balances that were supposed to take place and maybe realise this could have been prevented in some way shap or form , not a far right believer or white supremacist just a kiwi concerned about mass migration which is affecting everything in our daily lives , traffic , housing , cost of living , its a frkn joke , if we can’t look after ythd people we have why would we bring new immigrants into the mix and have them bring their baggage with them , seems idiotic to me

    • John G says:

      Plenty of uproar on the alt-right websites Breitbart and Christian Post where presumably you dredged up this bullshit.

      • Snow White says:

        We have our own extreme-right writing right here in NZ, John G, and quite possibly influencing the marginalised and the susceptible.

        Here is part of a posting from Nelson’s Amy Brooke, available on
        http://www.100days.co.nz, and also apparently published in the Australian ‘Spectator’ 7/18, where anybody, including the mosque murderer, could have read it:

        “The bully boys and girls have gone too far”
        …..
        However, the threat to this country from radicalised Islam targeting, propagandising, recruiting, even virtually blackmailing its own people is very real. So New Zealanders have a right to know what steps the government is taking to safeguard this country – and to limit the intake from those from Islamic background.

        We should now be well aware, given what is happening right throughout Europe, and even in our closest neighbour, Australia, that when the numbers are sufficiently large, assimilation is replaced by virtual enclaves, or ghettoised settlements. Women and young girls continue to be sexually mutilated and basically enslaved by their male relatives, forced or brainwashed to wearing anachronistic, burdensome clothing, while Islam’s deep antagonism to Christianity and the West should make us very wary of our government’s apparent naivety – if not incompetence – in the face of its strident minority demands.”

        Seems to me that Brooke needs to be looking at her own competence here.

        The same website contains one of Brooke’s anti-Maori pieces entitled, “Racial bullying and identity politics are running amok in NZ” which also appeared in ‘The Spectator’, and is about how hard-done-by Pakeha are in NZ.

        Brooke seems to have a big hit list, which I don’t have the stomach to address. Some of it can be found in her book,’The 100 Days,’ published by – wait – ‘Howling at the Moon’ – and Ian Wishart has the only euology I noticed on http://www.100days.co.nz.

        Okay, I didn’t like Brooke saying that Jacinda Ardern has put her career before the interests of her baby – and it doesn’t help that Russell Brown referred to her as mad old Agnes-Mary Brooke on ‘Public Address’; my point is that when people like this publish inaccurate opinion pieces, then idiots may believe her and react in the only way that they know how, and see themselves as justified by her.

        It is grossly unfair to all who are unfairly maligned, and may even endanger them.

        Free speech ok ? From what I could see, Brooke has dismissed responders to her Maori stuff as brain-washed; I’ve not looked at her twits or Facebook, and don’t intend to.

        She’s quite clever – yep there are good Maori- good Muslims etc to show that she’s not prejudiced – then whoop – she’s off.

        • Snow White says:

          Speaking to myself – off the top of my head – I think that the Koran – which I have – refers to Mary the mother of Jesus more than the New Testament does, and it highly respects both of them – Jesus as a prophet. Historically, Islam has not been deeply antagonistic to Christianity as Brooke says- wars and skirmishes excepting.

          There’s a huge and fascinating history, but the three religions of the book have often co-existed in harmony with each other for lengthy periods.

          Female Genital Mutilation predates Islam,is not a procedure required by Islam, and it is not mentioned in the Koran.

          It originated in Nth East Africa, is largely linked to ethnicity, and is still practised by Christian communities in Africa.

          If Amy Brooke is implying that FGM is an exclusively Muslim practice or requirement to try to discredit Islam, then she’s either dishonest or ignorant or both – and needs to pull her socks up.

          (Apologies for the socks instruction, but this lady seems partial to cliches and jargon and I should have correctly said that Mrs Brooke needs to pull up her socks.)

          • D'Esterre says:

            Snow White: “…I should have correctly said that Mrs Brooke needs to pull up her socks.)”

            Heh! Indeed. Mrs Brooke would laud your correct grammar, I’m sure.

            Anent Mrs Brooke: on that website, she praises Switzerland’s model of democracy. But: she fails to mention that Swiss women didn’t get the right to vote in federal elections until 1971. And one canton was a holdout until 1991 on women getting to vote on local issues. Well now: isn’t that an inspiring example to women everywhere! On the other hand, NZ women got the vote in…. oh…. 1893. Including Maori women.

        • D'Esterre says:

          Snow White: “Here is part of a posting from Nelson’s Amy Brooke…”

          I remember her from our ChCh days; at that time, she was known as Agnes-Mary Brooke. My impression then was that she wasn’t in the first flush of youth; wouldn’t she be closer to 90 than 80 by now? When I first heard about Amy Brooke, I assumed that she was A-M’s daughter. But no.

          It was a long time ago, but if I remember rightly, she had a column (possibly syndicated) in the Press. She was given to pontificating about the pronunciation of English and proper use of grammar. She was wrong, of course: languages don’t work the way she evidently thought that they ought to work. Even English… So: her views were normative. On that issue, she certainly got up sundry noses of my acquaintance.

          With regard to the identity politics issue, her claims about contemporary biculturalism at the university of Canterbury have some basis in fact. We’ve heard the same thing from other sources, and the BA course requirements suggest something akin to what she asserts.

          However. She now occupies the dusty far corners of the internet. I doubt that many far-right types – especially the young – have even heard of her. The young don’t read newspapers, I’ve noticed. Even if she’s had her stuff published in overseas outlets, she’d have little influence, I’d have thought.

          Sometime in the late 90s or early noughties, she vanished. I assume that newspapers and the like stopped accepting her stuff for publication. The last thing I remember hearing about her was a combative interview with Kim Hill on Nine to Noon. It was hilarious for all the wrong reasons; I believe that she complained to the BSA about it.

          I recall nothing after that. It may be that I just stopped reading her opinions in the newspaper; it was a long time ago, life is busy, I’m old and my brain is full. That’s my excuse, in any event.

          • Snow White says:

            Amy Brooke’s 80, D’Esterre, and not one to be crossed; started off as Agnes-Mary Mora,taught a few years at a private girls’ school, in Dunedin,and according to her late mother, has not really been out in the workforce since, lives in the countryside with her medical practitioner spouse.

            Frank Haden said he used to sub her Dominion column before she fell out with editor Richard Long. She has written children’s books which I gather she publishes herself as she says that she is black-listed in NZ.

            I was alerted to her Spectator columns by an Australian ex-colleague who suffered the misfortune of being traumatised by her, although right-wing himself.

            When reading her alt-right columns this week, I read some of her anti-gay writings and wanted to puke –
            descriptions of homosexual pleasuring techniques, at least one of which and perhaps all are also heterosexual- and perhaps obsessive.

            The book “The 100 Days’, is a heavy mish-mash, and seems to be old newspaper columns and grievances dating back over 40 years, including at a Plunket nurse for telling her to give a baby orange juice after a breast feed.

            I think she errs, quote: ” I…was warned by Plunket (at a time when government claimed a “right”
            to enter every home to assess parental management”.)

            It would astonish me if the NZ government claimed this right to enter people’s homes in the late 1960’s.

            I will not quote Brooke re Plunket’s role in cot deaths, I will not even comment on it. The book is non-indexed, and contains inflammatory non-referenced assertions on Treaty and Maori issues.

            Does it matter ? Yes, if Maori read this and think
            that’s what Pakeha are thinking and saying, and believing – straight-out accusations of dishonesty should always be substantiated

            Few would read the book through – I picked it up at the Sallies.

            I have long thought Brooke a megalomaniac.

    • Well, I guess if we don’t go and engage with the alt.right, the alt.right will come to us to engage.

      Perhaps, Pablo, if Britain and France had kept out of the Middle East, you wouldn’t have something to complain about now? Do remember that Britain and France carved up much of the Middle East after the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

      And then there’s the United States interference in Iran, Egypt, etc…

      When is the last time Saudi Arabia or Iran tried regime change in the US?

    • Besides which, Pablo, I recall the West being horrified when the 200 school girls were abducted by Bolo Haram. Where were you then?

      Your”whataboutism” isn’t about pointing out an atrocity. It’s about minimising reputational damage to the alt.right cause.

      Not a snowball in hell chance of that working.

  4. G.A.P. says:

    As for the spy agencies needing more powers, I call bullshit on that. The whole GSCB debate a few years ago focused on the Key led govt extending the surveillance powers of the spooks. The legislative changes went through and the GSCB is now able to spy on everyone in NZ, not just overseas. Totally agree MJOLNIR,

  5. Ngungukai says:

    Could have been funded by the CIA to create some instability here in NZ ?

    • Sam Sam says:

      No one I know would agree that any of New Zealand’s response to a terror attack on NZ soil could be characterised as “instability.”

  6. Ngungukai says:

    The upgraded GCSB and SIS Powers did the country f&%k all good with this latest debarcale.

    I have little faith in NZ Intelligence Services or the NZ Police to do their jobs properly going on past experiences and outcomes ?

    • Sam Sam says:

      Neither do Māori walk around in piupiu, nor do pakeha walk around in malitia fatigues. It’s now time to live and let live.

      It’s unfortunate it’s taken such tragic events to totally reorient New Zealand’s entire national security stance from the past, of pushing brown people off of productive land up into hills and protecting the commercial colonial houses. But we can’t gaze hard in the rear view mirror, shove the stick hard in reverse and drive as fast as we can backwards into a Serco economy.

    • Toni says:

      If it wasn’t for the police, the shooter wouldn’t have been stopped so quickly. They acted decisively and effectively.

      Of course the GCSB is another matter entirely.

      • D'Esterre says:

        Toni: “If it wasn’t for the police, the shooter wouldn’t have been stopped so quickly. They acted decisively and effectively.”

        That they did. It was an impressive demonstration of courage and speedy action.

        “Of course the GCSB is another matter entirely.”

        Yup. Too busy chasing Huawei chimeras to see who was hiding in plain sight.

  7. countryboy says:

    [AO] / NZ’s darkest hour? I don’t think so.
    An Australian psychopath beguiles his way in to AO/NZ, joins a culturally isolated, intellectually challenged group of southern gentlemen who think the best fun’s to be had shooting guns ( And lets not forget the one time soldier who called the cops re his misgivings about the attitudes of some of those members of the ‘Bruce ward’ gun club. ) then, aforementioned psychopath goes to Christchurch and shoots many people, fifty of whom are now dead, using the excuse for venting racist madness but really to, in fact, enjoy the frisson afforded those who kill others for the high.
    What then, do you think of AO/NZ’s ‘Defence Ministry deliberately sending troops, the SIS etc into a shambolic few countries to shoot and bomb women, children, old people, young people and lets not forget the animals who most certainly suffered terribly? For what?Cheap petrol? To drive home the notion that our God’s better than theirs?
    One incident sees a nutter with a gun NO ONE should ever be able to own shoot many innocent and good people for a depressingly simpleton-esque logic.
    The other incident was a deliberate and murderous rampage paid for with our taxes and glorified by a corrupted MSM with deep dark links to the U$A who are nothing more ultimately, than a ( Rothschild) Banksters web of greed exploiting the vulnerable they manufacture.
    Let me ask you? Which is AO/NZ’s the darkest hour now?

    • G.A.P. says:

      You are right on the money here CB, especially the “glorified by a corrupted msm”. Wonder if they are still doing the all expenses paid junkets to the us to learn how to present “the news”???

    • francesca says:

      Fucking A country boy , and I don’t usually swear, but you’re bang on

      • D'Esterre says:

        Francesca: “… I don’t usually swear, but you’re bang on”

        Heh! Yes indeed. Country boy has nailed it.

        I chuckled over the swearing. I’m painting the outside of our house atm. Hard yakka, up and down the ladder with arthriticky joints. Our neighbours are second-language English speakers: they’re getting a lesson in English-language swearing, I’m afraid. Including the f-bomb…it’s wonderful to help me vent when I’m in pain/annoyed/just plain tired.

        • Snow White says:

          Country Boy usually nails it.

          Mind the swearing though. Today my grandson said,” Bloody,”
          and I’m being blamed. I’ll cope.

          And I’m thinking that NZ’ers may now be more circumspect about engaging in other people’s wars.


 
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