This is unacceptable…
Christchurch police to carry firearms ‘until further notice’
All frontline officers in Canterbury have been told to carry firearms until further notice.The decision was made by the district commander, Superintendent John Price, today after two related incidents – in the suburbs of Wainoni on Saturday and Richmond on Tuesday night – in which officers were shot at.
One person has been taken into custody after the Christchurch shooting but police were still seeking one other person in relation to Wainoni incident.
All frontline police have firearms in their vehicles, but the Cantebury officers will also be carrying them in a holster.
In a statement, Mr Price said the decsion to arm all officers was not one to be taken lightly.
He said he believed it was necessary in this instance to ensure the safety of police staff and members of the public.
Police Minister Stuart Nash is backing the decision but said it did not mean that routine arming of police was on the horizon.
Mr Nash said he was told about the decision this afternoon.
He said it was a rare event and a temporary measure.
…I don’t trust our poorly trained cops as it is, arming them to the teeth is unacceptable.
We have a policing culture of containment, allowing Police with minimum gun training to carry guns is a recipe for disaster.
Why and how is this spike in armed offending occurring? That answer is the solution, not a gun toting nervous police force.
When more NZ cops get guns, more Māori get shot. That is the simple cruelty of that equation.
It defies belief that a bloody District Police Commander can make a call like this.
This is not a Police State, we don’t amputate civil rights because it makes their job a tad safer and easier. Somebody needs to remind Stuart Nash of that.
Two points arising from above:
The law.
The law makers.
On the law, or absence of rule of law in favour of rule of police: My view on cops and guns and unfettered killings by police is well documented
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/01/13/must-read-guest-blog-ross-meurant-democracy-is-based-on-separation-of-powers/
On the law makers:
I have a great difficulty detecting the difference between John Banks and Stuart Nash.
What more is there to say?
I agree Martyn.
Carrying Guns will obviously incite others to do the same.
So when the police carry them they will obviously ‘encourage others to do the same meaning more guns coming into our daily lives now, sorry to say.
Come on Bomber of course it is a police state in all but name.
Mass surveillance , spying , top police protecting members of the last government from prosecution for illegal behaviour from the PM down.
Illegal raids on Nicky Hagar and others deemed a security risk by Key and his henchman.
A corrupt public service protected by the status quo where investigations into illegal activity is sidelined by excuses like ‘” I FORGOT ” to do anything about it to protect and warn those who are involved in corrupt behaviour.
The attempt to concrete over a crime scene where 29 people lost their lives.
There is more but i have made my point.
Totally agree MOSA. Am still trying to find the video of three or four policeman trying to shoot a dog about ten feet away from them in Porirua, Numerous shots fired, not one hitting? The latest scumbaggery is senior plod forgetting to file charges against ex plods running private “security firm”???
I would tend to agree, but it is not so much a ‘police state’, it is a system based old boys network dictatorship, allowing some ‘old girls’ in also (Shipley same as Clark and a few others).
This system has signed up fully to the Five Eyes Network alliance, to western alliances, indirectly even with NATO, and it is subservient to US, UK, Australian and other ‘western’ interests.
It does not matter who wins the election and gets into government, certainly when it comes to Labour and National, they all are singing from the same song book eventually, when it comes to strategic, economic and global political matters.
There is NO ‘independent foreign policy’, it is an empty slogan, it is BS, full stop.
And the boys in blue, they are simply part of it, they are like the armed forces the loyal ‘enforcers’ of the status quo, any person seriously challenging the status quo will eventually be ‘neutralised’ at best, if not destroyed, not necessarily physically, but by destroying the persons reputation and livelihood (income earning potential).
You may be lucky if they consider you to have ‘mental issues’.
Yup in all but name, a police state, fascism is on the rise
Greg O’Connor will be wetting himself with pleasure.
Exactly.
The Police association has been agitating for arming police forever, they’ve been furiously cherry picking statistics on firearms crime to this end.
This is a backdoor way to achieve that – hey look when Christchurch cops were armed no one was killed (there is still stuff all gun crime in nz ) so all cops should pack some heat..And then the arms race will begin.
Eliminate the methamphetamine trade, bust the gangs and leave the guns in the car and the public alone.
Well, cops often wont directly confront an armed suspect even if they themselves ARE armed. But if the suspect is loosely armed with a cellphone or something it’s all respect muh authoritahhhhh. The risk to themselves and bystanders is too high.
The plan was always to gather evidence after the crime, then eventually nab them later down the road – which is basically what happens. You can get coked up, beat up a prostitute, get arrested, and then all the armed robberies get pinned on him when they realise who the suspect is.
No question that police have to defend the public and themselves with lethal force, but arming police full time at the hip surely requires legislative and judicial oversight. NZ mustn’t become the wild west
So, lets keep a count of how many brown folks get shot! How many times the Police draw their gun(s) before using other equipment, or forms of de-escalation, or will the gun be the first method of recourse? No need for them to carry a baton,pepper-spray, taser or a need to call for assistance before the situation escalates? Probably not ….
Why do you say the police will only shoot Maori if they get guns? Are you suggesting that Maori are more likely to be criminals, or are you suggesting Maori will be shot because they are Maori? 12% of NZ police officers identify as Maori, do you believe they will be more likely to shoot Maori than non-Maori? Is it not possible that the Police are more likely to shoot when they feel their lives are in danger from armed criminals, rather than both to ascertain the ethnicity of the armed offender?
Looking at my whanau I believe the sociological explanations for Maori offending and criminal convictions are far more complex than simple racism. Add drugs and illegal guns into the situation and things get very messy.
The police have handguns and bushmaster rifles in their cars all the time. Anyone who shoots at the police is an idiot, and while perhaps not actively asking to be shot, they must consider it is a possibility.
Why Ben?
Because US cops usually end up shooting BLACKS ( even when unarmed) on more occassions than Whites.
Look up the recent cases and what privoked tge #blacklivesmatter movement.
Cops carrying guns? We are a foolish, foolish nation for not learning the lessons from overseas jurisdictions. This will not end well.
Check your facts before you start spouting off. Your statement is totally incorrect. Black lives matter has a number of incorrect allegations in regard to Police shooting in the States, helped of course by a corrupt and compliant Fake News media
If the cops are allowed to carry guns, every citizen should be allowed to carry a gun, so the NRL in the US would argue.
What is the position here, do people simply ‘trust’ the cops?
I’m from Christchurch and I’m Maori. I now have a higher chance of getting killed then I did a week ago, great.
Can I suggest,…. don’t shoot at police or otherwise engage in crime? I’m on NI East Coast, high percentage Maori and we haven’t been shot by police for quite a while. We achieve this miracle by not shooting at police, and not being criminals. Despite some claims to the contrary, having Maori DNA is not a criminal offence, and is not treated as such by NZ Police. Being involved in crime is considered a bad thing by police, and being a Maori is not considered a defence for criminal behaviour.
“The decision was made by the district commander, Superintendent John Price, today after two related incidents ….”
Do you really think the decision was made by the district commander without recourse to Wellington?
Really?
Chris “Right Wing Boomer of the Propertied Class” Trotter is all for it though, Bomber 😉
Evidently all the gangs in NZ are heavily armed including the Rebels who have infiltrated the country from Australia, mainly Lebanese & Tongans.
I was told most of these gangs have the names and addresses of all the Police Officers here in NZ, so rather than having all out Gang Warfare wouldn’t it better to have highly trained teams to go in and sort out these low life scum out, who are parasites on NZ Society.
These Gangs add no value to NZ Society and have been allowed to proliferate in the last 10 years under the lackadasical fairy John Key and the National Party.
When the last time you came face to face with an armed (or any) criminal with no regard for the life of other people. In the last two shootings I applaud the brave officers who carried out their duties competently and professionally.
All the above armchair admirals would have screamed, shit their pants and run.
Andrew, Castro and Gary? Isn’t it interesting? That boring people are usually also mean.
More than 30 years of neo liberal head fuckery has left my thinky-thinky thing in disarray.
Here’s what I think. Boobies and cuddles and cold beer on a hot day after mowing the lawn. But wait, there’s more.
P. Right? Or methamphetamine for you smarty panties out there.
It seems AO/NZ is wading knee deep through the stuff at the moment and I’m asked, by my brain part; why? Why is that?
Anyone who isn’t in a coma can see what Portugal did with undeniable success. Portugal reversed it’s drug policing budget with its health budget. 90% went away from criminal justice and over medical health while the previous 10% medical became policing.
Result? That simple, humane tactic tanked the criminal involvement in pimping drug addiction for a dollar. Also drug related crime, suicide rates and death by accidental overdose.
So why do [we] not do take that approach? Why do we tolerate morons in control of our recreational drug taking? Yes, blue-rinse, baby-boomers! It is a thing. People here take drugs which are considered awesome to feel fabulous while some take drugs to escape the nightmare that is their own minds and at the moment? That practise is unbelievably dangerous. Look it up?
I mean? That idiot Minister with the bow tie and the trump-clone hair swoosh? I can’t remember his name, thank God.
That moron was telling us what we could, or could not do with our private lives and when we tried to take a pill and dance about, we often got a pill made from bath salts, paint, glue, plaster dust etc and the only stories we could tell after the party was of how we stabbed someone to death then got tasered by the cops when found eating the faces of their victims raw, without garlic or chilly sauce. True story! Again. Look it up. You seen the effects of ‘Flakka’ on Youtube right?
So why? Why is our beautiful AO/NZ awash in deadly P when all our gubbamint has to do is decriminalise P, along with every other recreational drug and watch as P disappears from our homes and streets.
I have a question? Could P and crimes relating to P be being used as an EXCUSE to arm our cops?
Clearly, our Ministries will never decriminalise rec ‘ drugs but why? It works!
To argue that cops need guns because some poor bastard’s been awake for 14 days and is in the middle of a colourful psychosis with a gun and a knife and is out there, in more ways than one, taking pot shots at Unicorns and Fairies?
Don’t you think those two elements are at odds with each other logically?
If so, then why?
Could it be because we’re about to be colonised and those in control of the cops are anticipating resistance so they allow P to blanket our country then when some people go full psychotic and go gun crazy the cops are given guns too and are then welded to the military while we all watch on all slack jawed and agog? I mean WTF?
@ MB, I think it was, made mention here of a figure of 30 K heavily armed and highly trained military/cops. Are they getting ready to shut us down or we get fucked up?
If you want to keep guns off cops and create a safe place for all of us then decriminalise all rec’ drugs and offer a living wage to the victims of poverty of more than thirty years of neo criminalism (AKA neo liberalism.)
P.S. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn that the conservative element within the USA isn’t, in some way, secretly lobbying our Ministers to create, by subversion, a dysfunction within AO/NZ to gain greater control over our country so as [they] can then take it off us. At gun point if necessary. They’re doing that in South America so why not here too?
When our planet starts to degrade into an unliveable climate environment of 50c plus heat then with super storms coming down from the arctic , where are people going to run to? Mexico? I can see Mexico building a wall to keep the riche yanks out. Ba ha!
Peter Dunne! God, that took awhile.
What the F**K are you on about Country Boy? Pissed in charge of a keyboard again!!!!!
That was quick off the tongue. Do you do stuff like that too?
No, I leave that to country boy.
If you’re not going to debate then you’ll just be conceding all the time.
https://cdn.qmap.pub/images/3c0a177f2cc9afc8c5ddf3d850a1715a173c1dc06b79451898699e33dd915757.jpg
And it all starts to become clear, we are involved, certain politicians and spy agency’s are ass deep in a conspiracy to over throw a sitting U.S. president on behalf of HRC and the Dems, remember the check?
Does the rush towards a one world gov because of AGW make more sense now?
As far as the gun thing goes, they are always armed, Countryboy as far as the P thing goes, follow the money, you will find a wide trail back to China, with money freshly laundered bye NZ banks.
WWG1WGA
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