BREAKING: Help kill TPPA today by tweeting PM Trudeau

1. Hi Jane,

   Have you got Justin’s email as we live in an area without any tweeter capabilities please supply us with an address for email?

2. When is the next protest?
   We MUST stop the NWO

   • I do support James here too 100% Protest please set it up and a petition on TPP also?

     • Looks as if jacinda has sold us out here.

       http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018621303

       Radio NZ News flash 3pm 11/11/17.

       Start

       The 11 nations involved have reconvened today to try to salvage the deal and have agreed to most of the deal but four provisions that have been ‘suspended’, the new agreement has been renamed “The comprehensive progressive pacific partnership agreement”.

       End.

       • Do we have text for this new agreement? Is it substantially different from the version that was current when the US pulled out?

         • What I know is 4 provisions have been dropped largely ending the negotiating phase of TPP11.

3. Thanks to Trudeau and Canadians who stand for himsn tights principles in the new order of trade agreements, whi stsnd for s One Plant architecture where intersts snd human rights snd the UN sustainable development goals (SDG) are all of a piece. Let NZ koin Canada – we have so much in common in oir background and institutions.Let is stand together at this interregnum moment. Let is stsnd for a positive, SDG based model of International Trade architecture. Let is stand against the negative globalism that diminishes the mana of nation states and provokes a backlash of dangerous demagogues fermenting s negative nationalism. The TPPA must be wholy reformed into a simplified agreement in which universal values and precautionary principles unite strong intuitions of democratic nation states.in Trade Agreement which has as much to day about quality as quantity of trade in this decisive turning of the global economy away from climate catastrophe and tax-avoiding globalism.

   • Agreed Ali Baba,

     I also want to know why we in NZ have got a trade MMinister who is so tight lipped while the canadian counterpart is open to speaking for his people.

     we have a paper tiger in our tyrade minister who looks like he will not work with the NZ people as canada do with theirs sad that is, Labour said they will be “transperant and open???

     Not here so Jacinda you need to move to work with us your people because your minister will not.

     Jacinda here is the proof to work with us as canada does.

     https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canada-10-other-pacific-nations-agree-on-core-elements-of-new-trade-deal/article36911294/

     Globe & Mail. Canada.

     TPP-11
     Canada, 10 other Pacific nations agree on ‘core elements’ of new trade deal

     Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and other leaders take part in the APEC Leaders official photograph at the APEC Summit in Danang, Vietnam, on Friday, Nov. 10, 2017.
     ADRIAN WYLD/THE CANADIAN PRESS
     BILL CURRY
     OTTAWA
     4 HOURS AGONOVEMBER 10, 2017
     Canada and 10 other countries have reached an agreement on the “core elements” of a new Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal, but some contentious areas – including auto rules and cultural protections – have been set aside for further negotiations.
     The late-night deal was reached Friday on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation forum in Da Nang, Vietnam. It came just hours after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was accused of blocking an agreement earlier in the day.
     The political drama included a scheduled meeting of TPP leaders that Mr. Trudeau did not attend. The meeting was ultimately cancelled, leading to international media reports that Canada had “screwed” its TPP allies after getting cold feet.
     Canadian Trade Minister François-Philippe Champagne dismissed the reports as a “misunderstanding” and said Canada took the time it needed to push for stronger environmental and labour protections.
     “This is Canada. We won’t settle for just any deal,” he told reporters Friday. “This is about making sure that Canada as a Pacific nation would have access to the markets in the Pacific region. This is also about setting the terms of trade in the region.”
     Mr. Champagne said any changes to trade rules affecting the auto sector – a major point of concern among North American auto makers and labour leaders – would be determined at a later date.
     “Particularly when it comes to culture, when it comes to the auto sector, you’ll bet that we’ll take the time to consult with stakeholders to get the deal done,” he told reporters.
     The TPP negotiations originally included the United States. A deal was signed in 2016 but it was never implemented, and U.S. President Donald Trump withdrew from the pact. He campaigned strongly against the plan, calling it “a continuing rape of our country” and “a disaster.”
     The challenge for Canada and Mexico at the TPP talks is that both countries are also in the midst of renegotiating the North American free-trade agreement with the U.S., so many of the same issues are in play at the separate negotiating tables.
     Mr. Trudeau had been singled out by Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe earlier in the day as the reason why a TPP deal had not already been reached in time for the meeting of TPP leaders.
     While APEC has 21 members, the 11 countries of the TPP are Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam.
     “Ministers are pleased to announce that they have agreed on the core elements of the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership,” the countries said in a draft statement.
     The deal announced Friday removed 20 sections of the original TPP deal, including provisions related to pharmaceutical products, patent protection, copyright and intellectual property.
     Another section lists four categories as areas where “substantial progress was made but consensus must be achieved before signing”: the treatment of state-owned enterprises, services and investment, dispute settlement and culture.

4. I support Professor Kelsey’s defence of our nation. I’m not texting Trudeau though. The Canadians will not unreasonably expect us to txt Jacs. In fact she needs to come clean. What does she actually stand for? Unrelenting positivity and spin from your degree don’t work internationally.

5. Yes email please! I to would like to send message to just in. And happy to protest at any time!

6. Is there any chance this might actually become an actual trade deal, with guarantees for workers, women’s rights (yes we still have to have it in writing that we have any) and not have all the yuk stuff that steals our souls?
   Will the trade deal work to have the best parts of all 11 country’s egalitarian ideals for humans and animals contracted rather than the lowest common denominator?
   Will open range humane animal welfare be seen as the obvious no brainer in the deal – no cages/no stalls?
   Why oh why do I have to keep aiming for the moon when everyone know’s it’s only the reflection in a puddle we get?

7. And so the addiction to ‘free trade’ continues, some must be saddened and depressed, but honestly, has anybody here really expected anything else?

   http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/343584/tpp-deal-struck-in-vietnam-after-provisions-suspended

   https://www.wsj.com/articles/pacific-rim-countries-move-closer-to-tpp-deal-without-u-s-1510391141

   http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-11/trans-pacific-partnership-fundamental-deal-reached/9141384

   It took me a while to recover from celebrating the opening of the 52nd Parliament, which initially seemed to give me some hope for positive changes to come, e.g. the extended paid parental leave legislation.

   But we see with the now renamed TPP, once new ‘leaders’ are sworn in and have the numbers to govern, they tend to become part of the existing furniture of leaders that dominate the global affairs, in trade, diplomacy, climate change or whatever else.

   Being tied into the global financial and trading networks, New Zealand is not going to change direction, not much at least. We will carry on as usual, expect to be able to buy cars and other things from overseas, to afford a burn and waste lifestyle, that will ensure the planet gets destroyed, and that humanity, with perhaps a few exceptions, will become extinct in not too distant a future.

   As for social advances, the voters here will get a few carrots, like a minimum wage rise over a few years, extended paid parental leave, a bit more effort in gender equality, some moderate changes to education, renaming ‘charter schools’ to ‘partnership schools’, free tertiary education for some, and planting of trees and some additional rules for farmers and car drivers, to contribute to climate change measures.

   In three years the road may be paved for Bill English or Judith Collins to try and carry on, from where they had to leave off.

   Wow, what achievements.

8. Why all the surprise that Labour has betrayed us already?

   The Capitalists know, any dirty deed that the Conservatives can’t pull off due to popular opposition is always best left to a Labour government to shove through. They know we arent going to come out hard against a supposedly Left wing government.

   Trudeau pulled out at the last minute because Vietnam wanted to keep its slaves and child labour workforce.

   Ask yourself why Trudeau couldn’t stomach slavery and child labour and had to walk out, but Jacinda Ardern was completely fine with it, and eager to sign.

   That should tell you everything you will ever need to know about this so-called Left wing government, if Mike Hosking’s endorsement wasnt already enough.

   • Vietnam settled that argument in the 70’s. Along with Australia, America and others, New Zealand lost the argument to determine Vietnams political, social and economic outlook, and in these instance particularly her labour laws and remunerations.

     In most of those instances it’s more about the general populace than it about the individual people. One of the reasons the American revolution, by way of a for instance, was as relatively civilized as it was was because the colonists were some of the most literate and most educated populations in the world and were deeply steeped in Enlightenment traditions. These were people who had the knowledge base, who had the sociocultural and sociopolitical background to be able to decide what they wanted and come to a functional conclusion.

     As a general rule, the less educated a population is, the more violent and the more brutal any revolution is going to get. It difficult to convince a peasant that he or she needs to leave their land and go fight for something like pay equality somewhere else, to endure all those hardships. And of course, in the end, that’s the Pandora’s box: people have suffered, have endured so much, that it’s often almost impossible to cram compromise down their throat and so it becomes a self-perpetuating cycle. In a way it’s basic economics, the more people suffer, the more they expect in return. And if you can’t or won’t provide that, it becomes very tempting just to shoot you in the head and turn to someone who says they can.

     Most revolutionary leaders that have succeeded in any measure at all, have done so strictly because they were able to live up to the promises they offered. Attaturk is perhaps an example of this. The promise of his revolution was an independent, modern Turkish state and more or less, he delivered. Lenin is a borderline example, in that for whatever his faults, he did manage to tame the tiger (private capital). And the way he did that has often been imitated but without half the skill that went into the original.

     Lenin knew he could not control a popular revolution, so he specifically set out to engineer a revolution that he could control, conducted by a small revolutionary vanguard of people who understood the mechanics of what was going on and thus, could respond properly. Of course, the fly in the ointment of this situation was that Lenin had fatally misjudged the possibility for a counter-revolution, which is a whole other issue. In essence Lenin was another Hannibal, who’d won the war as he understood it at Cannae. His plan had been executed flawlessly and precisely. Only problem was that Hannibal has fundamentally misread the Roman psyche, which invalidated his entire campaign. Lenin is the same situation, he’d carried out his plan to perfection, the only problem is that his plan was based on the Russia that existed in his head and not the Russia that existed in the real world.

     This displays a fundamental gap in your understanding of what goes through the minds of most people situations like this. For most people, it’s really like a gambler really. You just keep throwing good money after bad, because you can’t accept that you’ve lost. It’s regrettable, it’s stupid but it’s entirely human

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