These people can’t wait for another 3 years under National
Only middle class activists with cushy public jobs in Wellington that won’t be impacted by a change of Government would cry that Winston isn’t good enough to change the Government.
It’s the old pure temple vs big tent argument that had identity politics activists calling for Willie Jackson and Greg O’Connor, the 2 Labour candidates who gained huge numbers for Labour, to be expelled at the beginning of this year.
These middle class activists prefer pure temple than big tent, for them winning is secondary to their strict crossfit-vegan like philosophical schisms. Unfortunately for middle class activists with cushy public jobs in Wellington, the vast majority of the working poor, beneficiaries and the underclass can’t survive another 3 years of National.
Any call to wait this Government out is a betrayal to the poor those middle class activists claim to support.
Labour and the Greens must negotiate with NZ First in good faith to replace this Government, sour middle class activists unhappy that their perfectionist vision of an elitist cosmopolitan utopia won’t be adopted while 41 000 homeless rot need to be shown the contempt they deserve.
SO BLOODY TRUE MARTYN;
These greedmogerers are destoying our country as we speak and want to take it to the limit while they can.
But since you vote for the same govt every time. The party does not change it.
The same opposition based govt always get in and it seems people can’t see the forest for the trees and think it changes.
But since you vote for the same govt every time. The party does not change it.
The same opposition based govt always get in and it seems people can’t see the forest for the trees and think it changes.
So good to see you writing this , Martyn , …
This is NOT the time to be piss arsing around anymore, – and these identity politics wankers need to be shut the hell up !!!
They are self interested cowards who are the equivalent of Judas and his thirty pieces of silver . They are contemptible in their veiled avarice , – barely disguising their true motives . From these were the ranks of the ABC’s derived from , – them and their factions. And you said it well when you said :
… ” These middle class activists prefer pure temple than big tent, for them winning is secondary to their strict crossfit-vegan like philosophical schisms. Unfortunately for middle class activists with cushy public jobs in Wellington, the vast majority of the working poor, beneficiaries and the underclass can’t survive another 3 years of National. Any call to wait this Government out is a betrayal to the poor those middle class activists claim to support ” …
Total maggots.
And you said it best when you finished by saying,…
… ”Labour and the Greens must negotiate with NZ First in good faith to replace this Government, sour middle class activists unhappy that their perfectionist vision of an elitist cosmopolitan utopia won’t be adopted while 41 000 homeless rot need to be shown the contempt they deserve”…
Hear bloody hear to that !
And thank you for putting it out there .
Dead right.
And what’s more, if there isn’t a change of Government this time, there is a strong possibility that there never will be.
The continued rapid rise in immigration will ensure the ‘Blue Dragons’ amongst others will have total control of National and the electorate.
Waiting for ‘the right time’ is a delusional myth….
Not only will the Blue Dragons grow but the growth of the Non Voting Disillusioned will continue to grow.
Remember Labour/Greens/NZF when you all got together in 2014 before that election to whow that you all were “a government in waiting”?
Well now; – you are all at the gates of Government so please don’t blow this last chance we will ever have tonchange this insidiuos rotten evil liars from our lives..
A horrible thought, Grant.
I’m not from Wellington and I wouldn’t call myself middle class but I’ve been thinking it’s better not to do a Labour/Greens/NZF government because of the dilution of policy and the risk of failure.
Mostly it’s about the risk of failure and if that’s the case I need to give myself an uppercut because that’s not a reason to let National do even more damage.
Good post Bomber, the opportunities must be taken when they arise.
We have to change eligibility for voting. Only citizens of NZ and no residents allowed to vote. No one is allowed to become a resident after one year. Minimum 2 years and longer for immigrants from some countries.Voting needs to be compulsory . $2000 fine added to your tax bill if you do not vote.
“These middle class activists prefer pure temple than big tent, for them winning is secondary to their strict crossfit-vegan like philosophical schisms.”
After what he’s been writing lately about how National won the election and it’s inevitable Winston will go with them, I’m adding Chris Trotter to this list.
I’d have thought NZF would be the closest thing in existence to the 1970s Labour party he so fondly looks back to. But I dunno, I’m sure he wrote the other week in response to Keith Rankin’s more measured concerns about the possibility of an economic crisis next year that the time is now. I guess post-election he might feel different however.
+100 to all the above comments and the POST
….New Zealand ABSOLUTELY can not afford to wait another three years to get this Nact Government OUT!
( despite all the sniping and spinning by the mainstream media to the contrary )
While Labour can and should talk with NZ First, do not forget the relative percentages, where Labour has the largest share of votes, when it comes to opposition parties. The problem is, Winston is ‘King’ or ‘Queen Maker’, and he plays his cards very smartly, to get the most out of any deal for NZ First and himself (as heritage).
Now that is where the rubber hits the road, and Labour need to know where their bottom lines are, also be mindful of consequences, e.g. having voters feel betrayed or turned off for the next election.
Under NO circumstances should Labour sign up to just anything that Winston may demand, simply to get into government.
I thought the talk before the election was to not just change the government, but the direction and policy of a new government.
That needs to be determined, and I have my honest concerns, whether a deal with Winston is in the best interest of Labour, especially of the Greens, and their voters and supporters.
We face the most difficult negotiations that have ever occurred under the MMP system we now have.
As for me personally, I would object to being categorised as ‘middle class activist’, as my economic circumstances rather put me at the bottom end of society, I have little time for the ‘middle class’, who thrive on consumerism, and so forth, void of any vision for the future.
Instead my concerns are based on the medium to long term view, and interests, for NZ.
an obvious conclusion to the hiatus as “specials” are counted, the filthy Nats must be sent packing now!, sure it is not an ideal situation, marxist purists can also point out that even the best of Labour govts are still cross class, reformist, and class collaborationist in essence
but the plain fact is some reforms are needed right now if you are living in a garage, car, sofa, or on the street!
if a Labour/Green/NZ First government can be achieved, then it is up to all the extra parliamentary organisations and activists to forcefully progress things, at least the asset sales and union busting etc. will be halted, and hopefully the TPP too! while there is a little space to plan what really needs to happen–rent control, CGT, massive state house build, “feed the kids”, and so on
A lot of endangered species can’t wait another three years for a change of government either
Well said Martyn .Nothing more required .
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