GUEST BLOG: Willie Jackson – Time to rethink immigration

1. Not the only the only issue that needs a re-think.
   My Brain hurts just thinking about all the issues that need addressing in New Zealand. We have had almost 30 odd years of greed ruling the country – and it shows.
   Yes – time for a serious re-think!

   • Agreed, there are problems looming ahead of us, yes the whole world, they will call for resolute action, to avoid a true disaster:

     RNZ, Nine to Noon interview, 13 April 2017:
     ‘Predicting the next global meltdown’, 10.08am, 13.04.17

     http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/201840281/predicting-the-next-global-meltdown

     “International economic expert James Rickards, one of the few people to predict the surprises of 2016, talks to Kathryn Ryan about what will happen during the next global financial crisis. He’s predicting a collapse will come sooner than expected, and worse still, he says we are now beyond the capacity of the central banks to deal with the problem.”

2. AGREED WILLIE, Winston has been saying this for years.

   Winston has been vilified by media and government for years and needs your recognition mate???

   The global corporate cabal are using Goldman Sachs and their deep state connections to destabilise counties around the globe such as Greece and NZ and others that they need to firstly cause a borrowing of funds from them and bankrupt them to make them expectable to easily take over all assets for a fire sale price as we have already witnessed in Greece so we are next.

   Only chance we have is to expose this now ahead of the next election so you need to do this now.

   Goldman Sachs have their operatives inside the NZ Treasury now!!!!!!!

   • You are going to the heart of the matter, but so many have a ‘hard truth’ intolerance and cant follow the links that well , what they can follow however , is whats right before them – traffic congestion , being priced out of the housing market etc…

3. Totally agree the government needs to stop immigration, apart from refugees and reduced amounts of skilled people. If the government wants to have students studying here it should be for that only, not because some one with a burger king restaurant certificate has a 25% chance of immigrating here afterward. Governments need to get rid of the work permits for foreign students and tighten up the working holiday visas as well as banning construction or land investments by foreign nationals. Permanent residency should take 7 years and citizenship much longer.

   I hear a lot of politician’s blaming ‘domestic speculators’. Who are they? young people competing on ‘my first home’ or ‘the block’? People who have rental properties and rent them out long term, those who renovate their homes, Maori who develop their land?

   I think it’s pretty clear cut that someone who doesn’t live in the country and buys here or someone who sells the next week for $300k extra is a speculator.

   The others are less clear cut and I think blaming domestic speculators can be counter productive because more than 1/2 the NZ population probably falls under that criteria and don’t think they are the problem.

   10 years ago there was not a massive housing problem, what’s changed is the governments immigration policy to create insatiable demand.

   We live in an economy that the government seems to think consists of construction and cows – until we have real investment in people and a government that has the intelligence to diversify, cows and construction are a big part of what we have and that is why Labour does not do as well as they think they should when they address housing and target ‘domestic speculators’ whoever they are!

   More than half the PM’s in parliament own more than one property are they part of the domestic speculation problem too?

   • Excellent . So many good points.

4. Economic nationalism (n.): a practice for governments who wish to see their country and its people thrive, rather than collapse and disappear.

   “Not every migrant is a colonist, but all colonists are migrants”

5. To be fair, it was Labour under Clark that opened the immigration floodgates.

   • Futher more Labour did not dismantle automatic stabilisers that have helped prevent crises since the great depression like the cyber hoer National party engaged in selling off state housing

   • but we didn’t have the same problems we have now Castro under Helen we were able to get a social house

   • Clark allowed more immigration, National opened the “floodgates”

     • Clark opened the floodgates and then blew the whole thing open by signing the Free Slave Agreement with the mega-dictatorship.

       • For the full truth on immigration Castro, you’ll find the floodgates opened under Key and continued by English.

         https://www.enz.org/migrants.html

         Take a look at the last 3 years.

         The stats don’t lie.

   • Helen opened the gate and welcomed some new residents in, she did not break the stop bank and welcome a tsunami of residents in like the Natz.

     Talk about shock doctrine politics. Yep the Natz aren’t pushing people out of planes (yet) but when you read about a women with 2 kids being put in prison because she was in a relationship and got $370 a week in benefit, others are committing suicide and the lawyers get more for state abuse than the victims, you have to wonder. The shock doctrine has changed from physical torture to emotional torture in the 21st century. (apart from Serco fight clubs).

     Even if you are some middle class person with political power like Andrew Little or David Cunliffe, they are being emotionally tortured with endless stories about their character and in the case of Little, legal action – the crime – questioning the relationship between donations and subsequent large awards of contracts – one would think part of his job as leader of the opposition!

     Also with the Labour vs Natz, it’s not about what someone did 10 years ago, it’s about what the fuck’s happening now and why the Natz are encouraging record migration during a domestic crisis, denying it is happening and actually hiding it’s happening and the effects by fake statistics and reports.

     • 1000 % SaveNZ.

       Notice the N.Z. Herald has a picture of Little, 5 days running by Trevett, yet Trevett couldn’t do one piece on the atrocities of N.Z in the Afghanistan story.
       I find the correlation of the rightwing dirty politics on David Cunliffe at the last election very similar to the dirty politics on Andrew Little, ironically in election year. Mrs Haagaman is a disgrace to be part of an organised attack on Little. And again I agree SaveNZ and this has always been my stance, the Natz have been lazy in using the blame game and need to take responsibility for the massive destruction of democracy, housing affordability, poverty, Health and Education, fuck it, everything.
       After all these year’s we’re still waiting for the trickle down effect.

6. Careful Willie, if you continue in this vein, you run the risk of having Bill English call you a racist lol!

   • Who cares what that liar and his MINORITY globalists thinks anymore?

     Willies spoken the truth and its time we all started doing so.

     • It’s alright WK – I was being ironic. I agree with everything Willie has said too.

       I see below you’re wondering about foreign property speculation in Auckland. Have a look at this from Transparency International on the question of how legit most of our “overseas investors” are likely to be. It’s a long report but just reading the Executive Summary and Report Highlights sections is very informative.

       It’s worth bearing mind that all of the countries listed in this report about property-based money laundering have more stringent reporting laws than NZ (i.e. we have absolutely none at all ).

       http://www.transparency.org/whatwedo/publication/doors_wide_open_corruption_and_real_estate_in_four_key_markets

7. ” The property bubble that is crippling Auckland, spreading to the regions and grinding our largest city into gridlock is being caused because of domestic speculators and infrastructure stress caused by record migration. Add in questionable work and student visas which open many vulnerable migrant workers into exploitation, and we have all the ingredients of a major political and cultural backlash.”

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   I would say there’s also a fair amount of foreign speculation as well – with China handing out cash and credit not so long ago , – and that money had to go somewhere before it was recalled . This govt gave them that opportunity and they took it no questions asked as a way to make a fast buck out of a gullible country.

   The other thing I would say is due to Rogernomics and its 33 years scourge , peoples wages /standards of living have gone backwards in general – so the Kiwi looked for other ways to ensure a comfortable retirement and a nest egg for their kids. Virtually every SOE was sold off to foreign concerns and domestic manufacturing was obliterated due to neo liberal free market ideology and the removal of trade tariffs etc.

   The Kiwi had nowhere to go. So Nationals criminal out of control immigration setting simply just fed that whole perverted beast.

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   ” Grotesque under investment in all aspects of our infrastructure and public services while relying on tens of thousands of migrants to prop up property values is not an economic or social model that helps anyone other than speculators and government’s not interested in leadership.”

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   Immigration has far superseded our infrastructure capacity. The signs of that happened years ago. There never was any genuine interest in being the ones to initiate costly infrastructure developments and carrying the can for that. It was just left up to that fallacious notion that ‘ the market will solve everything ‘.

   Bullshit.

   It wont , never has done and never will. Not without careful regulation , checks and balances and a planned future growth development plan.

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   ” It is madness that we are bringing in workers for jobs in NZ when our unemployment rate is so high and many of the language schools seem to run highly questionable programmes that look more like scams than genuine education centres.”
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   While those language schools do seem to operate like a sham by using it as a back door to gain citizenship , – you are right to ask the most basic and fundamental question of all : WHY are we importing these immigrants by the planeload when we cannot even ensure employment for our OWN nationals ?!!?

   The only reasons that seem apparent are to push this whole perverted over speculated housing crisis – and the other perversion is to create downwards pressure on wages and conditions – wages and conditions that have already been notified as unrealistic by the OECD themselves.

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   ” manipulate the meaning of ‘skilled migrant’ to mean anything an exploitative employer wants it to mean only exacerbates the problems we are seeing.”

   And :

   ”We should be generous and compassionate to refugees, but let’s stop hurting our own people’s chances for jobs and stop hurting the lives of renting Kiwis being continually forced to compete with worker and student visa holders who themselves are being manipulated by bad bosses.”

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   The crux of the matter. We simply DO NOT NEED all these immigrants. Period.

   For all the reasons outlined above.

   And that’s not being racist , – that’s being realistic and truthful. What WE CAN do , – is bring in far more refugees , – people who have done it hard and REALLY appreciate being able to come here. Unlike many of the others who only see this as either a back door to Australia or a way to set up shop , develop their franchises and compete with others in an already depressed domestic economy. If that plan was so successful in stimulating the economy as weve been told for the last 33 years , – WHY do we have so many homeless and family’s who cannot even afford rent in the year 2017 ?!!?

   I would suggest a far , far more stringent and lowered quota from each and EVERY country for any of its nationals who want to apply to live here with the goal of citizenship. That should be treated as a PRIVILEGE – not an entitlement just because some dodgy education facility or employer promises them it.

   • Agree with you 100%. The day of reckoning approaches, and it will not be pretty… 11% UK, 14% US… what is this non-country at now… 30% and climbing?

8. “Fleecing international students with promises of citizenship is not beneficial to anyone and to continually manipulate the meaning of ‘skilled migrant’ to mean anything an exploitative employer wants it to mean only exacerbates the problems we are seeing.”

   ABSO FRIKKEN LUTELY. Not only that, then using those international students in an exploitative manner (after being lied to by the cabal or network of private providers, suspect immigration consultants and others), to drive down wages and transfer expertise to the non-NZer is not only treacherous, but immoral. Bear in mind that many of the consultants are NZers or Permanent Residents here or overseas, or they are linked to a NZ network.
   Once capture, they’re then held responsible and deported so that a new cycle of same can begin again.
   IF INZ (and its minister) was genuine about addressing the problem – he/they’d not have changed the rules of the game they are playing half way through.
   (As in the case of the 14? students recently deported
   step 1: Promise the world – things like cross-crediting of already obtained qualifications; persuade the individual to beg, borrow, mortgage the family property or steal funds for fees, and enrol in any shitty old course (show a few pages from an INZ website showing the skills in demand). The consultant (often representing a NZ based network) offers to handle EVERYTHING. The promise includes assurances that the individual will be able to obtain work or a guarantee of PR so that work is available in order to pay back the loans, mortgages or debt of any description. I.E ….. no problem with visas. Consultant even shows documentation of their staff now working for a ‘respected’ Law firm and legal representatives – showing their path from an overseas-based consultancy, to a recruitment firm, and finally to the Law firm specialising in Immigration matters.
   step 2:Allow the international student to submit application. Instruct international student to fill out various fields (under advice from supposed ‘expert consultant with proven links to the NZ-based network). Lie and forge if necessary. Then allow things to proceed.
   step 3: Once in the country, absolve oneself of any and all responsibility and deny any links (despite websites showing names and links between entities including those in the NZ companies register). Rely on charitable institutions to furnish any form of welfare needed.
   step 4: Have the Minister change the rules, have the Minister in charge of everything front media to chant things like “ultimately these people are responsible”, and deport, so that a new round of suckers can GOTO step 1. Concurrently push the idea that the job is unskilled (as in no skills required to understand things like the impact and effects of a PSA virus, for example, that the processes involved in developing a new strain of Kiwifruit is old hat – even if the Chinese steal it, that their is no skill in understanding the various stages of producing a crop). Any old cnut can do it – it’s just that they’re too lazy or drug addicted, and they don’t really want to work.

   And after having done all this for several years, and after the basic wages are now so shit that only the non-NZer will accept them because they need to survive day-to-day without any form of welfare available, and after any expertise has now been transferred to the non-NZer….. just ‘flush the pool’.
   Get rid of them, before they can appeal, before they can complain, before they can cause a stink.

   It’s a self-defeating exercise though, because the international student and NZ’s reputation overseas becomes total shite and others come to hear that there are better options – EVEN IF it turns out to simply be a truck driver in Canada, or a Vintner in Italy, or EVEN IF the person has skills NZ is supposedly in demand of – such as in IT, or Avionics, or science-related options of any sort – there are better options.

   I sometimes wonder, not only about conscience and the morality and basic human compassion amongst fellow NZers and their elected riprisentives, but their short and long-sightedness.
   Well I used to anyway until the anecdotal evidence I’ve accumulated suggests a policy that is based on which international students we’re best able to fleece (who’s potentially of the highest monetary value – never mind whether it’s black, or Sky-City laundered, or who’s in tune with the NZ regime).
   Unfortunately OIA requests are subject to political interference or absolute obfuscation.
   In recent times – and I mean since the Munster has changed the rules midway through the game using the rules agreed at the time of kick-off – it would be interesting to see the number of visas granted by volume and by nation, the longevity of their stay, and then the number by nation of those deported or declined further visa extensions.
   Actually (though I’m not a gambler), my chances of proving my suspicions – based on Chinese, Indian, Brazilian/South American networks I’ve established suggest I could make a lot of money if anyone else would be prepared to indulge.

9. I think we should restrict immigration to only the current refugee quota for at least as long as it takes for our to house etc the people already here.

   • We have people sleeping in cars and kids without shoes. But nothing is more important to our bankster govt than AKL house prices and rushing down the track of endless GDP growth.

10. I have had flatmates who were new immigrants, some students at private institutes, some here on work visas. They almost all feel to be under immense pressure, often fleeing poorer countries they come from, economic crisis there, and having family back home, waiting and hoping they get a foot in the door here, to get them all over.

    They are prepared to do almost any work, many get little more than minimum wages, when working (students 20 hours a week, some cheat the system and work much more), and they compete with other immigrants and locals for jobs.

    The working conditions are often appalling, including casual, on call work, limited part time work, low pay, and high pressure to perform. NO wonder some Kiwis are not working in hospitality, horticulture and so forth, as many jobs there are virtual slave jobs.

    National have opened the flood gates, and there will always be millions that would love to come here, as they world is not the “booming economy” the economists and banksters often tell us. Indeed many parts of the world are having low or now growth, or suffer recession.

    The present government serves the interests of business and the elite, who enjoy the cheap labour and servants serve them in restaurants, supermarkets, rest homes and through building roads, homes and whatever else.

    We are going to get more slave labour if we allow large foreign construction companies to build our infrastructure, e.g. the City Rail Link in Auckland, as they will definitely also bring in some cheap labour from overseas.

    Most Kiwis do not comprehend the dimension of the problem, but more are waking up. Resources are finite, the more people we have in NZ Inc, the more competition, the less resources and space per capita, it will ruin the environment even further and turn this into another exploited wasteland one day, where future generations will read with disbelief about slogans such as ‘clean and green’, ‘100 percent pure’ and what else we get served.

    • 100%

      There’s no good reason for this ridiculous state of affairs. AT ALL .

      It has been said on this site time and time again that the root cause of ALL of this is neo liberal free market ideology.

      National needs to be put down like the sick dog and voted out , and Labour needs to be harried to ensure it steadily moves away from this self serving ideology once it gains power. Pressure needs to be brought to bear on ALL remaining neo liberals in the Labour party.

11. You (@James Brown and @ Ropata are both correct in my experience. And from what I’ve come to know – even the ripped off international students I know would agree with you.
    Unfortunately this government is more concerned with keeping the ticket clipping, fee paying, so-called ‘5th largest export’ going – no matter whether it’s immoral or just plain sick.
    What this government has done with its policies is to create a huge number of refugees – its just that they’re now already NZ based and subject to abuse and usuary, and heavily in debt.
    Never mind though eh?. Let’s just now evict them so we can keep the whole charade going.
    The good thing is that its self-defeating. Already NZ’s reputation is taking a hammering as prospective international students in a few countries are starting to see that there are better options.

12. Smart move by Labour getting Willie Jackson back into politics, at least he has a brain to go with his smart mouth, used to quite enjoy listening to him with John Tamahere on talk back radio, until they pushed the buttons too hard on the “Roast Busters Scandal” and got sacked.

13. Yes, it’s a terrible thing: People wanting to come here. 😉

    It was much better in the Clark era when about 25,000 Kiwis left every year. LOL.

    The majority of new arrivals are in fact already NZ citizens or residents.

    In the last few years my office in Auckland has slowly filled its vacancies with mostly returning Kiwis plus a few genuine new immigrants. These returning Kiwis are professionals returning from the UK and Australia where they’ve gained valuable experience and saved a pot of money. They are returning to Auckland and outbidding Aucklanders for property.

    • Small man, small problems

    • Not so long ago there were around 650,000 New Zealanders living in Australia. Not all would describe themselves as ‘ permanent’ admittedly.

      650,000. From a country this small in size.

      And the reason many of them originally left for a better future was as a direct result of the destruction brought on by successive neo liberal govts in NZ. The kind you support , the kind we got from Labour and National.

      The kind we got from BOTH OF THEM.

    • Finally Andrew and I agree:

      “Yes, it’s a terrible thing: People wanting to come here.”

      They should be discouraged until this useless Government work out how to improve infrastructure and resource. National have allowed to much air into the balloon ( Auckland) and it has burst. This is is clear evidence of mismanagement. This is just immigration, National have also mismanaged:

      Education
      Mental Health
      Housing
      Environment
      ETC
      ETC
      ETC

      Finally Andrew has come around to thinking that his fellow kiwis are just as important as his own little bubble. LOL

    • ANDREW, you are an OVERSTAYER, on TDB.

14. Immigration needs to be severely looked at, so that the best interests of New Zealanders are protected. At present we have the continued neoliberal tripe being promoted by MSM and their puppy dog Susan Devoy at the Race Relations Office.

    Basically we have social engineering being carried out by this Natzi Government?

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