Fascinating developments yesterday that dissenters from within National leaked an internal email that showed how desperate the Key faction have become to try and sell his change of flag vanity project.
This matters because the change of flag issue is a leadership one for Key, so dissenting from it is an attack on him as leader. The backbone of the National Party from electorate MPs know first hand from their own electorate offices that this change of flag is deeply unpopular with their older voter base, but to allow the leak to occur at all suggests some high level Machiavellian treachery.
So who did it?
It’s interesting to note that Cameron Slater had no idea of this about to happen. That says two things, the first is that he has become very much out of the loop within National due to Dirty Politics fallout which makes him radioactive and as welcome as a homeless P-addict gate crashing a 5 year olds birthday party. The second thing it tells us is that it didn’t come from Judith Collins.
This release of the email is too clever and subtle for Crusher Collins.
I think this was a far smoother operator. someone who has a close relationship with an up and coming electorate MP who is starting to jockey for the power vacuum left by Key when he either wins and stands down after 2017 or fails and stands down after 2017.
The back stabbing in the once united National Party has begun.
Media Bias? No coverage of this leaked email in my print copy of today’s Dominion Post.
But reported by Paddy Gower? He was a lead cheerleader in the last campaign – its someone he’s close to and he’s on a promise!
The Bain report leaked as well, however this was undoubtedly done under advice from pollsters.
When? I don’t see a leaked report just the remarks of a judge!
Okay, so how did the judge’s comments in a confidential report to a Minister, make it onto the front page of the Herald? The report wasn’t leaked, only specific selected bits?
Why? By whom?
The report was leaked to the Herald. Stuff covered yesterday that it was leaked. A leading Auckland lawyer was quoted by Stuff and News hub that it was a leak. Even David Seymour said it was a leak. The Bain report was leaked.
FJK’s flag project was never wanted by the majority of Kiwis. Now it seems his arrogance and ego have put the noose around his own neck.
Seems the Chosen One’s flag project is failing. That will be followed by his mate the “prominent NZer’s” court case coming up in April, which could cast doubt on FJK’s credibility. Not looking good at all for dear leader is it? Good 🙂
Let the games commence. There will definitely be blood on the floor with this one.
I just wonder if the legislation the government has worked on around sex offenders, might in fact have something written into it so that we don’t hear about the prominent nzer after their court case
They can legislate what they like, Doug. The “kumara vine” up here in Northland will keep us informed. If you remember he also had name suppression and look how well that turned out.
It never ceases to amaze me how arrogant our elected officials are when they think they can legislate out our collective human nature, for most of us it’s the desire to see open and fair justice. That is why dictatorships are always toppled eventually.
If the “Prominent New Zealander” is found to be demonstrably not guilty, I believe the vast majority of us would be sympathetic towards him. However, the shroud of secrecy surrounding it just makes us wonder what is being hidden. That is the behavior of a guilty person.
That “prominent New Zealander’s” court case is going to be interesting. It’s due to begin on Monday April 4th if there aren’t any further highly unusual delays. If they’re found not guilty we’ll never hear another word about it, perhaps rightly so. However, if a guilty verdict is returned, I doubt anyone would be surprised if all details of the case are suppressed in perpetuity to “protect the victims” (which in this case would be the reputations of the Prime Minister and the National Party).
For years I’ve wanted a more representative NZ flag. I love the silver fern and I’m happy to see it in lots of contexts, especially on our sports reps, although it saddens me when it’s referred to as a “brand” because that cheapens it IMO. But it’s not right for a national flag.
JK doesn’t have the discernment to understand that a country’s flag is something more than a team logo or a brand. I’ll be voting to keep the current flag.
The current flag change is not about a flag. It’s about a political diversion, the immoral and vulgar expense of referendums, Prime Sinisterorial arrogant ego trips and leadership dancing without realising the music has stopped.
So if the PM is booed at the Auckland Nines?
So if the PM is booed at the Big Gay Out?
So if the PM gets his flag jammed where the sun doesn’t shine?
Who will lead the party into the 2017 election in order to avoid a National rout?
So if the PM is booed for his unequivocal support of a prominent New Zealander whose imminent April court case may cast doubt on the PM’s credibility?
Who will lead and deputy the party into the 2017 election in order to avoid a National rout?
Simon Bridges? Judith Collins?
Judith Collins? Dildo Baggins?
Dildo Baggins? Judith Collins?
or for the first time ever a female/female leader deputy?
Judith Collins/Maggie Barry/Paula Bennett.
And the PM’s terse response to this?
F*$# it
(Flag it)
For a start the left need to work together and stop splitting the vote, if that had been done from the get go we would never have had a National government. National keeps sliding through, just, with baby boomer voting support as their population numbers well exceed Gen X.
Perhaps every left electorate needs a cuppa in Epsom scenario, sometimes we need to fight fire with fire. We can keep doing what we are doing of course, and have more of the same.
The ‘Left’ needs to *be* left instead of dithering around the centre trying to play both ends against the middle (so to speak).
Kunwall Sing Bhookshi?
Is this a Dildo-Concussion inspired comment?
Jest saying…
Winnie,
It will be a hand picked Corporate puppet wrapped up tightly in secrecy at present we imagine.
Remember the 13 PM’s he shoved off the Government benches before the last election?
He deals in secrecy this creep. Unbelievable eh!
Just as well Labour remains unelectable and unfit for government. The Nats’ seem likely to keep rulign for a long time yet.
With Key’s exceptionalism gone up in glitter, and Collins and now Joyce figures of public ridicule, the National party is suddenly filled with opportunity for an ambitious young MP. Or an old one with a grudge.
Or that some mps in national have woken up at last, Stuart.
I am thinking of an old one with a grudge. A certain cabinet minister, dour and from down south who always looks like he is rightly pissed off when he has to make excuses for yet again another of the PM’s predicaments. He has a great portfolio which he is determined to see through with his ideology and has been in the house for as long as I can remember. Guess.
The Double Dipping Dick from Dipton?
Spot on – he is probably the last person any one would suspect and he does seem pretty desperate and brassed off about trying to keep the house in order. We will see.
He’s already been PM, briefly, including an election where National polled at 29%. Besides, I imagine he’s looking to retire pretty soon.
No way. A silly billy country hick ain’t that clever.
Sorry Dorothy I don’t see it that way, I see him as a quiet determined person with Machiavellian traits. His privatisation agenda is henious, hospitals, prisons, schools and mental health should never be privatised and he intends long term to have it that way, by stealth, bit by bit. He holds the purse strings as well being finance minister. We shall see.
It’s funny – if we went old I’d be picking a well-loved brand of English car – but perhaps we have to consider the psychopathy of the Gnat team – there is a prominent Gnat universally loathed and reviled except among his fellow tax-evading rack-renters, with nary a brain cell nor a shred of charisma, a man frankly stupid enough to think he’s PM material. Would he split on his mate John? Well of course – they all would.
And so it begins…
Popcorn!
Just when I thought I was sick of popcorn.
Yes we saw the Knives come out around the time of Judith Collins being sacked remember?
There was talk of an internal play to roll Key then, so we watch with interest how this plays out, because National have now gone hard right from their roots like that of Robert Muldoon’s rather socialistic administration or even Jim Bolger’s “softly softly catchie monkey” style.
So perhaps National have still got a heart to return to these former middle of the road policies again instead of this slash & burn scorched earth policy mob we have now?
The word National is stated in the dictionary as meaning Nation or the people of the country and National Government should be “devoted” & “patriotic” to us all.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/national
3. Devoted to one’s own nation or its interests; patriotic.
Interesting to see the second smaller list. Looked for my own MP on it but couldn’t see it, even though I would say he would go with whatever the PM wanted. It sounds like it was going to be a really boring meeting so I wonder if apathy had a bit to do with the smaller number of email addresses in the second email.
That person behind Simon Bridges head in the photo above looks a lot like Mathew Hooten wearing a Donald Trump wig
Even more interesting Gower released these emails into the public domain. Hmmm the plot thickens
Methinks the muppet Gower has some very cold blue hands manipulating where muppets usually get manipulated.
United as any crime family is!
First leak in 8 years.
Leak was deliberate.
Manipulating the message with a compliant media again.
Still a bunch of selfish, rich-orientated neolibs.
Sorted.
I remember watching BBC’s “House of Cards”.
The rats are scurrying as FU (Francis Urquart) and FJK tried to manuipulate the populace with the Roman “panem et circenses” or ‘bread and circuses’: Tax cuts in 2017 and a flag referendum in 2016.
It didn’t work for the Romans, and it won’t work for the National Party. 3-Way-handshake-Gate. Letterman-gate. GCSB-gate. Ponytail-gate. John-Campbell-Gate. Skycity-gate. TPPA-gate. Waitangi-gate. Auckland-Nines-gate. Big-Gay-out-gate. Dildo-gate. Leak-gate. Flag-gate. Close-the-gate-on-your-way-to-Hawaii-gate. Did-I-miss-any-gate?
Try and get some of your supporters into the succession Mr Key, so that they can get you a nice little sinecure like Shane Jones got-gate.
The most popular Prime Minister ever?
“You might say that matey, but I couldn’t possibly comment!”
Saudi-gate, prominent NZer-gate.
Pee-in-the-shower-gate; drop-the-soap-gate. Malaysian-diplomat-gate.
Wait, there is more!
Airport gate jumping-gate, Earthquake insurance-gate, Do you know who I am-gate, Williamson dodgy behaviour-gate, Northland ten bridges Bridges-gate, Nova no pay-gate, Double dipping-gate, ACC clients leak-gate, Winz clients leak-gate, Bains judgement leak-gate, Kiwi Saver incentive cancellation-gate, Night class killing-gate, GST increase broken promise gate, Dodgy Oravida milk-gate, Serco shit-gate, Dirty politics-gate, flag manipulation/wastage-gate, 100 billion debt-gate, Arab sheep shagging bribe-gate, TPPA nation screwing-gate…….
Talk of ponytailgate, in the Herald this afternoon ,the ombudsman wants John Key to release the email he got from Rachael Glucina
regarding the pony tail case. John Key said the email was unsolicited and he never replied, The editor says because it decided the complaint made by the ponytail victim was politically motivated,
i thought it was because the PM pulled the girls hair multiple times, but of course if he could make out she was a leftie he was allowed to do what he liked.John Key didnt say he would release email…………….
Actually, it did work for the Romans. that was the point.
You can have any number of “gates” but unless you continually tie them to a core characterization they will simply wash away.
You need to establish a central criticism/accusation: the Neo-liberal Project or Born to Rule Elitism of the 1% or Ignorant Incompetence. But probably not all three as they are a bit mutually exclusive, even if you can find examples of all three in National Party behaviour and supporters.
There may well be a tipping point somewhere but, if it isn’t just Key-fatigue, it will be a many-headed story that plays into a stereotype, not death by a thousand mini-scandals.
Whoooppp Whoooppp Whoooppp WhooopppWhoooppp WhooopppWhooopppWhoooppp WhooopppWhooopppWhoooppp WhooopppWhooopppWhoooppp:
When the GCSB finds out where the leak came from.
When an OIA finds out where the leak came from.
When Whaleoil finds out where the leak came from.
When the Daily Blog finds out where the leak came from.
New Zealand will be a safer democracy.
Or embargoed, like a certain National MP’s court case until after the next election. Sorted. Whooopp whoop.
If this debacle affects one of the most popular PM’s ever Mr John Key, your photo shows the next successor to power from within the National Party heirarchy.
Minister Bridges has it all. I’m sure that the ACT party could work successfully with him.
Young. Good looking and Maori like Winston was. Able to look down the camera and be sincere and honest with real New Zealanders from middle New Zealanders and all walks of life.
And he has support from both factions of the National Party. I’m sure that Judith Collins would be a great Deputy Prime Minister in a Simon Bridges-led National Government.
You forgot that he’s a complete f***wit though.
Actually it makes a lot of sense – there’s more than a touch of Aguerre about Collins. (Or Cheney to non-Herzog fans)
This is not the comedy hour !!
Davy SEEMORE OR LESS….
I knew Simon Bridges personally.
And I knew his family.
And while his father …who was the head pastor at Te Atatu Baptist church during the 1980’s was a good humored and warm person, I am ashamed to have to say Simon Bridges continued support of the same neo liberal economic system that has caused the direct and indirect deaths in the third world of thousands upon thousands of fellow human beings has diminished any respect I might have had for him.
Also I don’t like male orators that appear to screech in a high voice and act like children and try to yell people down when they have been proven wrong.
He’s got a lot of maturing to do yet before he’s ready for that position.
And the political caption to your photo is:
JK: “If I lose the flag referendum…”
SB: “You mean “When you lose the flag referendum…”?
JK; ” Can you make me the New Zealand ambassador to Hawaii?”
SB: “I’ll have to ask Judith”
JK: “F### it”
SB “That’s not very nice John!”
JK: “Flag it!!!”
“Hey Paula”
[Paul:]
Hey, hey Paula, I wanna marry you
Hey, hey Paula, no one else will ever do
I’ve waited so long for school to be through
Paula, I can’t wait no more for you
My love, my love
[Paula:]
Hey Paul, I’ve been waiting for you
Hey, hey, hey Paul, I want to marry you too
If you love me true, if you love me still
Our love will always be real
My love, my love
[Both]
True love means planning a life for two
Being together the whole day through
True love means waiting and hoping that soon
Wishes we’ve made will come true
My love, my love
[Hey Paula:]
When National are routed in ’17
Will you apply for the benefit?
Will you apply for a state house?
Will you learn some humility?
Hey Paula, will you act now and join us
to get rid of John Key?
Act now. Act now.
[Hey Paula:]
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John Key has decided he will release the mail from Glucina although he didnt agree with the ombudsman request , he wanted to protect Glucina as a journalist, says the email was nothing to do with him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Key is digging a deeper hole.
More from Herald report on Glucina email it said.”just interviewed the waitress, what a piece of work, massive political agenda”does that mean the waitress had no right to complain because she did”nt vote for Key??
Glucina is the “piece of work,”sly, underhand, dishonest just like the person she reported to.
So Rachel Glaucina texted the Slime Minister just on an unsolicited off-chance? Give me strength.
A female whaleoil-type texts the PM, for no reason, telling him she had interviewed Amanda Bailey? And the PM can’t remember anything about it I suppose?
The PM’s memory lapses have returned again. Bullshit alert.
I bet he’s looking through his scripted responses to being forced by the Ombudsman to release the contents of the texts. They will go like this:
I can’t remember
I can’t recall
I don’t remember every text that unsolicited people send me.
I thought I had erased it.
It wasn’t important
Someone in my office read the text and didn’t tell me about it.
The Labour Party set this up to discredit me.
Ronald Reagan stole my walnut and replaced it with his (Spitting Images).
Look…people don’t really worry about stuff like this.
Just more bullshit from an untrustworthy SM. No wonder he is booed everywhere he goes.
Yep the leaks were orchestrated to get the flag debate into the news the weekend after New Zealander of the Year and Halberg awards.
Sports people coming out in favour of the new flag….what a surprise …not!
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