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  1. Oh for crying out loud! The Nats and other haters, will pull the speech apart and crap them selves.
    I’m sorry but you pulling this speech apart was just crap!.
    Why oh why couldn’t you just have left it at “is the best New Zealand political speech I’ve read”. Or you could have run thru the good points or even the bad (If you can find one). But to use language from the political landscape of a country that worships the Dollar. To dismantle the speech in that way was disrespectful at least.
    Oh FYI I read and then listened twice to the speech and I gathered that he was speaking to ME and Everyone that was listening. And the only thing he said on my behalf was the bit about wanting all of us to help a Labour govt get to power in 2014.

    Deictic My Ass!

    1. I’ve read a lot of strange comments on the internet, but this takes the prize for monumentally missing the point.

      1. I didn’t miss your point but you missed mine which was, Why do people have to Americanise everything? Why couldn’t it have just been a good kiwi speech, with good kiwi values??
        Why does everything have to be compared to America, the last time I looked and listened, there were no Americans around. Only New Zealanders. But if thats missing the point so be it.

        1. We did see a good Kiwi speech with good Kiwi values. But we also heard a speech that borrowed from the best parts of American political rhetoric. It’s called smart politics. Politicians emulate what works overseas. Are you saying that DC should have trotted out another dry, parochial and insular speech like John Key does?

  2. I read the words before watching the video and got some of the effects Morgan points out while not knowing the technical terms. I feel it is useful to have such an analysis, politics is an actual science after all.

    Knowing how and why things work is necessary if many on the left are to conquer the ‘mystery’ of John Keys counter intuitive appeal to aspirational working poor and middle classes for example.

  3. No Morgan, DC is attempting to mimic the ancient art of class rhetoric. Not Deictics. Dialectics.
    ‘We’ before it became unfashionable in narcissistic America (not Native, Black or Latin Americans mind you) refers to the class subject.
    The ‘we’ subverts bourgeois ideology which presents the class ‘we’ as the possessive individual ‘me’.
    The USA just happens to be the high tech production line of the ‘me’ against the ‘we’. Alien(n)ation.
    Go drill the rhetoric of working class street orators. [Jock Barnes speech in the Auckland Town Hall 1951.] Here lies a deep sea well to milk for a PhD on cunning linguistics.

    1. “We” is the most common word in American political speeches. In Obama’s first inaugural address “we” was the most used word. It’s an echo of “we the people” from the Constitution and every American politician uses it.

      1. Yeah but in US political parlance today the ‘we’ is gutted of any social solidarity. The ‘we the people’ always was a ruling class appropriation of national identity imposed on those who didnt rule to fool them into making peace and then going to war. Today its an even emptier appeal to ‘we the figment of the nation’ that provides the GPS coordinates for the drones.
        To suggest that Cunliffe is using ‘we’ in that sense, instead of a mimicking the class rhetoric in the tradition of the labour movement is silly unless you are really saying that Cunliffe is like Key an agent of the US ruling class.

    2. “Here lies a deep sea well to milk for a PhD on cunning linguistics.”

      Maybe I just have a dirty mind, but I think I see what you did there ;-).

  4. Geez Wayne, I hope we haven’t got ourselves an Obama. Obama uses the “we” of the conman, inviting the audience into a falsely promised future full of hope, change, and semi-civilised medical care. A few years later, “we the people” notice that we are not included, that “we” means Monsanto, Wall St, and the security apparatus, while we give thanks that a humane president can kill towelheads without putting our children’s boots on foreign soil.

    I hope the rule of 3 this time isn’t Douglas, Clark, Cunliffe. Two was more than enough already, but if he’s getting advice from the Democrats, I am more than a little worried.

      1. Sorry I’m not sure anyone knows who wrote that!
        Its from a group called Political Organisation Aotearoa, their website is easy to find and they post up blogs/articles/discussions which are varied and well worth reading. They purposely maintain their anonymity – people have suggested they are academics coming from a radical-left perspective? I just wish they would release more often than they do.
        Sue Bradford posted about them on here a while ago: https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/05/08/building-left-power-role-of-anonymity-a-topical-debate/

  5. Speeches are one thing, and worthy of such analysis. More interesting to me however when looking at our pollies, is their language used in conversation (including when confronted by journalists and jonolists).
    My impression so far is that “I” and “Me” roll off Key with ease, whilst “us” and “we” from Cunliffe.
    Just so long as I don’t start hearing “The New Zealand people”, as we do with “The American People”, and more recently “The Australian People”.

  6. Another possibility presents itself. The constructions (dietetic expressions) had the ring of another tradition which David has either consciously or unconsciously borrowed from his formative upbringing – Bible and sermons in church. As a current practitioner, much of what he said and how he said it resonated with the sermons I preach. And kiwi sermons don’t really follow US patterns. Not as hot on the social justice themes as David Lange, but recognisable similarities and room and time to get there.

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