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  1. houses in NZ are not much more than little boxes made of ticky tacky these days and even with the expensive jobs the superficial nature of everything supplied by the lowest bidder the cheapness shows through.

  2. Good points, Mike.

    The thing is, Mike, I doubt Labour are unaware of the points you made.

    Therefore, it should be clear they just don’t care.

    So how do you suggest we deal with that? That is the bigger challenge.

  3. You’re absolutely correct Mike. There’s no innovation being called for here, it’s just (re)stating what any caring, responsible government would naturally know to do.

    Now ask yourself why the Labour government doesn’t do it.

    Better yet, since you know Phil Twyford personally, why don’t you ask him the question directly. Don’t let him of the hook, get a categorical answer from him.

    Then please come back here and write another article telling us what he said.

    1. “Then please come back here and write another article telling us what he said”

      That would be interesting.

  4. Not sure what you mean by ‘life-time guarantees of tenancy’. Do you mean overhauling tenancy law to make lifetime tenancy viable to all parties involved? Or are you suggesting during this housing crisis the government build state homes and give a lucky few a really, really good deal? Because working people, you know .. the ones paying for this ‘really good deal’ need somewhere to live too.

    NZ needs factories prefabricating homes to the point we’re shipping them overseas. A home fabrication industry would solve a lot of problems here.

  5. At some point in the past few years good old Kiwi ingenuity plummeted into the subsoil.

    How come this is possible – and we’re not using it? If our delicate sensibilities are rubbed raw we could chuck in cheapo nylon carpet and other tacky tinsel Dry. Warm. Affordable. Fast – and better than sagging floors, mould, gaps round the windows in a ‘proper Kiwi home’.

    https://www.designboom.com/technology/3d-printed-houses-in-24-hours-04-24-2014/

    Or we could have misery fests with obligatory hand wringing. Soooo satisfying and Proper, eh?

  6. Something has gone horribly wrong in this country over the last 50-60 years ?

    We used to have some of the best tradesmen who had good reputations worldwide I worked in the building trade in Australia in the late 1970’s early 1980’s, there was always work especially if you had NZ trade certification.

    National or Labour under the neoliberalism ideology did away with trade training ? Still do not understand the reasoning ? This lead to hammer hands who had just picked up a builders apron and a hammer from Bunnings to become our newly qualified carpenters ?

    We have been replanting our forests since the 1920’s, however many of these got sold for a pittance under neoliberalism. Now timber prices here in New Zealand have become exorbidant and we have monopolies or oligopolies controlled by the likes of Fletchers and Carters, charging the NZ building trade whatever prices they like.

    Material costs continue climbing and the costs of building houses just keep rising.

    Obviously successive Governments both Labour and National have continued to let this behaviour continue ?

  7. I must agree, the government has a problem though, so many ‘ordinary Kiwis’ have invested in not only their own home, also in one or more ‘investment properties.

    None of those asset holders are willing to see their home values slashed, hence the Nats were voted in three terms, doing nothing much on the state and social housing front.

    The investment in state housing will cost heaps of money, and few are prepared to pay more taxes for such investments. Rent to buy may be the best option after all, but that comes at a price as well.

    It is true that Germany has mostly renters living in homes, and tenancy laws there are much more protective and advantageous for renters than here.

    Measures need to be taken on multiple fronts, 1000 state or social homes a year is absolutely poor to start with. And ‘affordable’ first homes for new buyers at 600k are also a joke.

    Mr Twyford has his work cut out as minister, will he deliver? I honestly doubt that he will achieve even the targets Labour talked about in the election campaign.

    1. have you never bothered to find out how the 1935 gvt paid for the thousands of state houses .. give you a clue read the above article mike spells it out plainly

      1. Yes, and other relevant info also:

        https://teara.govt.nz/en/housing-and-government/page-2

        ‘Backlash’

        “At the end of the 1940s there was a backlash against state housing. Rents were now covering only half the cost of new state houses – that meant that middle-income state housing tenants received hefty subsidies, while the poor, who could not afford to rent state houses, paid market rates for private rentals of lower quality. Labour said that raising rents would breach its security-of-tenure promise, but the wider public saw the situation as warped and unfair. During the 1949 general election the National Party exploited this discontent by promising to reform the system and provide tenants with the opportunity to buy their state houses. It won in a landslide.”

        It is all not as simple and straight forward as Mike and you may believe it is.

      2. More info on this:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_housing

        Some issues with state housing, which I nonetheless still support:

        “During the 1950s, escalating building costs saw the standard of state housing construction to fall. Suburbs of state houses built of cheaper building materials were built in greenfield areas. Houses were more uniform in design than individual, and there was a large increase in the proportion of duplex and multi-unit dwellings.[37]”

        “Twenty-five houses were built at Petone in 1905. Only four applications were received to lease them. Workers could reach Wellington with a 20-minute walk followed by a 30-minute train ride, but the train cost another two shillings a week. This left a family no better off than continuing to rent in Wellington.[14] The Government was forced to allow weekly tenancies and to raise the maximum income level[15] to attract families to the houses. Other settlements such as the one in Belleknowes, Dunedin also had trouble finding renters. Houses built in central suburbs, such as the eight in Newtown and twelve in Sydenham, New Zealand, attracted tenants much more readily.[16][17]”

        State housing tended to be built in suburbs and on cheaper, available land, often distant to city centres and even work places, which contributed to the urban sprawl. Also was the construction dependent on availability of cheap materials, which was not guaranteed, as the market still set prices, and they were at times too high.

        That means it is not always easy to build the affordable housing where it is needed, and it would appear also that a lot of state housing construction was also paid for by increasing the population to share the burden over future years, which though always led to new demand and new pressures.

  8. It is true that building houses is budget neutral over time. The Mike Savage Government knew this in 1935. They also knew that they could get the the money interest free from the NZ Reserve Bank – and did. So why dont you say this, Mike?

  9. It is true that building state houses is neutral to the Government budget in the long term. The Labour Government of Mike Savage knew this in 1935. They also knew that that the money could be obtained interest free from the NZ Reserve Bank … and did that. So why is this not mentioned in your article, Mike?

  10. RENTING IN AUCKLAND, A BLOODY NIGHTMARE SCENARIO:

    https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/CategoryAttributeSearchResults.aspx?search=1&cid=5748&sidebar=1&rsqid=cac1fbecb8094a1cb7146441a2d34e37&132=FLAT&selected135=7&134=1&135=7&216=0&216=0&217=0&217=0&153=&122=0&122=0&123=0&123=0&59=0&59=0&178=0&178=0&sidebarSearch_keypresses=0&sidebarSearch_suggested=0

    People housed like chicken in cages, in some inner city apartment blocks. Housing in NZ Inc in 2018, a failure, a criminal exploitation of renters, time to rise up, time to squat and occupy.

  11. As a person who lived in a state house until I was 15, and effectively had a solid foundation of a good cheap home to my life, along with thousands of others in the latter 1940’s and 1950’s, I find it criminal that this has been removed as a mainstay of our society. How the greedy sociopaths have forgotten whence we came !

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