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  1. People are getting angry. It’s a threat to them.
    Real anger and despair.

    These children of the rich want to put their fingers in their ears and magic it all away.

    Its not going away.

    These kids demand they be cosseted in their blissful ignorance. They demand we congratulate them for promoting expensive eco-friendly toys that will solve nothing. They demand that the needy shuffle away and die quietly. They demean real human-beings who are Maori, transgender, who have disabilities etc., as tokenised displays of their imagined moral superiority. Even more deplorably, (it seems to me) they use them as a meat shield against a reality they themselves feel too delicate to face.

    Massive class oppression, poverty, world-wide economic collapse, environmental and climate devastation, ever-more sinister erosions of free speech and civil liberties, potential nuclear war…..

    What on earth has happened to ‘political’ the left? Maybe we need another word – this one seems to have become hopelessly co-opted by oppressors – at least some of whom seem to actually believe themselves to be left-wing.

    God help us.

    1. “They use them as a meat shield against a reality they themselves feel too delicate to face.”

      Shit that’s great writing . .

  2. Mmmm… There is so much to love about these Greens, Chris. In fact, having reviewed the Green left’s equity policy, the Industry has decided to join.

  3. I think we know the answer to this.

    “Is this a structural shift? Or is this simply a group of highly-privileged young people using the enforcers of the university and/or the state to impose their notion of political debate on everybody else?”

  4. Right. So basically admitting that all violent in revolutions come from the the left, and wow, openly glorifying horrific human tragedy, encouraging comrades to be aggressive and violent – to what end? Funny how Gandhi was not set as an example. The “left” in this country cannot articulate any type of shift towards anything except abstractions, rainbows, “what if” fear porn, and name calling so what is even the point of “debate.” It is good they just go off to safe space. Encouraging violence will beget violence, and mark my words, the trigger of violence in this country will come from the left.

    1. Yes, of course, Tabatha. Revolution is the province of the Left, for the very simple reason that most revolutions involve the overthrow of a tiny, privileged, yet murderous, ruling-class by the masses they have oppressed for centuries. That huge, popular majority in favour of fundamental change is, almost by definition, inspired by the Left.

      Revolutions are violent not because the Left is inherently violent, but because the ruling class almost never consents to being replaced by peaceful means. They resist – violently – and the people respond in kind. (That is why counter-revolution is almost always associated with the Right – the defenders of the status-quo.)

      And if you think the liberation of India was achieved without violence, Tabatha, then you know very little about the brutal history of British imperialism on the sub-continent. We are encouraged to remember Gandhi and his non-violence, so that the terrible violence of incidents like the Amritsar Massacre remains forgotten.

    2. If we are going global Tabatha are you suggesting January 6th in the US came from the left? That was all about violence and a whole lot of inability to argue a point. What a generalisation.

  5. “Anyone in breach of the rules should be immediately removed.”
    Good point to examine Chris – what if the person in breach of the rules were Maori . . I would imagine the very thought of having the security guards remove ‘an oppressed colonisation survivor’ from the room would be the stuff of nightmares for the UoA Greens (and subsequently enough to fall on their sword(s) in an attempt to atone for their own oppression of and racism towards their ‘long-suffering brown betters’) . .

  6. “Even harder to see Lenin and Trotsky insisting that their Bolshevik comrades engage only in “constructive conversations”.

    Not really. Once in power, they set up the equivalent of te Puni Matatini and FACT Aotearoa, which eventually became the Stasi.

  7. By all means, limit, or further limit, political debate….this has long being an aim of the ruling class after all. Thus, the Greens are now effectively working for the very class of people who drive marginalization! Rather than trying to find solutions to marginalization, the Greens now offer safe spaces for minorities to flourish. Well done Greens, the billionaire class salutes you.

      1. This is the real world….the Greens clearly do not understand the consequence of their proposal here. Stifling political debate only serves the interests of the powerful. What do the Greens want, a safer world or a world where people are better able to take care of themselves. The former serves the interests of the ruling class, the latter threatens them. What do the Greens really want for us….

  8. Very mature and a shining example to us all of AUG to take this stance. Politics should only be discussed and debated over nothing stronger that a glass of kambocha. Certainly not over a jug of ale and a pie at the local.

  9. I might have missed the point – I’m perfectly happy for the Green sweeties to talk amongst themselves while the intelligent realists get on with addressing the very real problems ( ex Green member – they weren’t always so daft.)

    1. I feel the same way about the National party, smarmy, arrogant and sarcastic.
      Bring back the intelligence of Bolger, the last time National were a legitimate center party and not hard right like today.

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