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  1. I liked Helen Clark as PM, her government’s competency is now a forgotten dream compared to the bumbling timid amateurs we have now. Her government achieved a lot. But…

    Give it a bone Helen. Apart from stymieing anyone using that vast waste of space, Eden Park, along with her follow residents, her musings nowadays are mile’s off target.

    Jacinda led the change with almost clandestine secrecy that one upped anything Chloe ever tried with cannabis, by tweaking the law to unofficially decriminalise meth possession and use. But there was plenty in the media about it, it’s now a “health issue”. Except its reliant on addiction treatment infrastructure and experts existing which there isn’t, true to the half arseness form of this government. It is also highly reliant of addicts engaging, which they largely resist.

    So no one is going to jail for meth use or possession Helen but a few do for dealing sizeable amounts of this poison. If Helen thinks that’s a travesty then her opinion is worthless!

    What addicts do go to jail for is the crime they commit because meth turns them into feral animals. Horrendous unspeakable things they do. Does Helen think the rest of us should just suck it up and put up with these self made psychopaths wreaking havoc? Meth is a terrible substance and it’s negative side effects are as legendary as they are well known. If someone chooses to go down that black hole and harms others there must be consequences like jail for the safety of the rest of us.

    But here’s an idea, let’s turn the largely disused Eden Park into a world class rehab facility. What you reckon Helen?

  2. Your bang on re: using legalized weed to fund harm reduction.

    We also need safer legal alternatives to meth.

    When the government banned BZP in 2009 they handed the entire recreational stimulant market to organized crime.

    They need to allow a legal market for something safer, legal and made with quality controls around things like dosage, packaging.

    Ritalin, Adderal, or even D-amphetamine would all be much safer than meth. There are endless other chemicals out there worth exploring.

    Package it for oral consumption only, cut with vitamins and amino acids to replenish the affected neurotransmitters. Mix something with it that binds it in a way its unable to be injected or snorted. Oral use is always safest for drugs, as one can vomit an excessive dosage back out.

    Restrict sales so its not in dairies or places where children frequent, just chemists or R18 shops.

    Why should the gangs be getting all that money when it could be used to fund the solution.

    1. Indeed. Likewise, it’s very difficult to get Adderall in NZ. This is much, much, much safer than meth.

  3. Medical marajuana should be easy to get at a sensible price from legal sources. Personally I still am against legal supply of normal marajuana as it should not be needed in the same way alcohol should not be needed to make lofe enjoyable . If they make marajuana legal it will have to be tested and sorted into grades then GST will be added plus those clipping the ticket on the way so it will not be as cheap as the illegal supply. ACC will have more workplace claims and insurance will go up for all,to cover the extra accidents caused by impaired driving .

    1. Okay Trevor and do you have any evidence to back up your claims cause there is a lot of evidence about alcohol harm yet we still have many bottle stores everywhere and particularly in poorer towns.

  4. The problem is the NZ Police decide where the proceeds of crime money goes and really this should not be there role. Our government said they were already doing a lot in this space but really its not enough many of the heinous crimes including people neglecting their children is committed by ‘P’ users so we need to do much more using the proceeds from crime. I would say a large proportion of those in motels (transitional housing like the ones in Fenton St Rotorua are or have used ‘P’ which is why many are homeless. And many have been disowned by their whanau due to burning that bridge and its very hard to rebuild trust when they are on that shit.

  5. Meanwhile, the insane nanny-statists who hate the poor are driving people to grow tobacco for illegal sale with their tax hikes. Not exactly the example anyone with an ounce of gray matter should want to follow for more dangerous drugs like cocaine or meth or the really bad stuff like weed.

  6. The meth is brought in by the gangs isn’t it, and the gangs prefer Labour with their soft touch and deep pockets. Labour provided cover for Big Pharma, then provided cover for Ukranian Nazis, and now they are providing cover for the gangs (and worse, they are delegating discretion for drug prosecutions to police, who are there to enforce the law not make it).

  7. The meth is brought in by the gangs isn’t it, and the gangs prefer Labour with their soft touch and deep pockets. Labour provided cover for Big Pharma, then provided cover for Ukranian Nazis, and now they are providing cover for the gangs (and worse, they are delegating discretion for drug prosecutions to police, who are there to enforce the law not make it).

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