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  1. That’s why it’s called Work and Income and not called Income and Work.

    Dpn’t expect anything other than neoliberalism from a neoliberal government.

    1. Yes, the so often recited ‘increase in benefits’ that supposedly benefited all from 1 April 2020 have been a dishonest exercise also. Those receiving supplementary hardship top ups such as Temporary Additional Support (TAS) or the older Special Benefit (SB), they have never received the 25 or so dollars often talked about by the PM, Ms Sepuloni and others.

      In return for the humble increase of the main benefit rate, their supplements in the form of TAS and SB were CUT accordingly. This affected over 75,000 persons, as far as I know. They are already those most in need and they were thus left NO better off at all, while the politicians in charge praise themselves for having done so well for them.

      Also remember this post on TDB, perhaps:
      https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2020/04/12/did-winz-scum-just-screw-over-the-very-beneficiaries-jacinda-grant-tried-to-help/

      COVID 19 and the extra spending to bail out so many large and not so large businesses, paying also billions in wage subsidies, offering cheap loans, and other measures, have given this quasi neoliberal government the perfect excuse to be fiscally frugal from now on, so the poor will continue paying the price for the crisis, more so than anybody else.

      Labour does not want to upset those swing voters that have come to them in the form of former National voters, hence they do as they do now.

  2. I was rather surprised that Labour didn’t announce a benefit increase. I would have thought they had a mandate to lift the basic unemployment benefit to $300 (currently $281 prior to tax) for those over 25, with all other benefits increasing proportionally.

    Instead they focussed entirely on the abatement thresholds, as if that was enough.

    While I don’t agree with the WEAG recommendation as to the level of the benefit, since it would basically have the benefit rate virtually the same as the minimum wage, the current levels are too low, especially in the larger cities with higher accomodation costs. The Accomodation Supplement does not entirely bridge the gap.

    Labour could have done a bit better, given the increases in unemployment and when not everyone can get part-time employment.

    1. While I don’t agree with the WEAG recommendation as to the level of the benefit, since it would basically have the benefit rate virtually the same as the minimum wage,

      So what are people meant to do there aren’t enough jobs well not that I have seen.

    2. Awe shucks Wayne. You’re going all soft in your old age!.
      If I were you, I’d concentrate on getting together a few of your old half decent sort of mates over a G&T or scones and tea (maybe the likes of Spud and Don McK and that fella from Seatoun Heights) and work out ways you can claw back the Nats of old before the current crop completely send it all tits up. (You could probably do well though to leave out Burton and Jen and that fella that still hasn’t worked out what caused his children)

  3. Benefit increases are alright providing they have policies in place to get people back into sustainable mahi.I was on a benefit when needed it has its purpose. And I know first hand it is not good for our people or any people for that matter to be languishing on a benefit. The trouble with Nationals benefit and social polices is they are too punitive and we just had nine years of them and their policies didn’t work. Yet despite nationals policies not working they still keep flogging the dead horse. I see under national prison rates rise, more Maori die, more homelessness and all the poor statistics are something they should be ashamed of. But they (national) don’t have any shame, they will claim the horse is still alive when they have in fact killed it.

    1. they will claim the horse is still alive when they have in fact killed it.

      They have to claim it’s still alive, so they can keep on flogging it.

  4. Very good points and right on topic SSJ. I thank the heavens that the National Party is gone at long last but is the Labour Party much better? Our core problems are still as bad or worse, the CPTPP signing, No CGT, Poverty, Housing all appallingly bad with no end in sight. Go Greens.

  5. Well obviously, Labour are useless .. glad to see you’re starting to realize this.

    You’re realizing it painfully slowly, but it’s a start.

  6. Remember Metiria Turei – former Green Party co-leader. Her attempt to give voice to beneficiaries and their struggle was met with a level of working and middle class vitriol usually reserved for child killers.
    The Labour government are obeying the law of democracy which is that the majority view of the world takes precedence over rational economic and social policy.
    Taking care of people who didn’t do well in school or who can’t earn enough to get by is considered to be morally reprehensible by the majority of the voting population.
    Beneficiaries are subjected to a form of apartheid in which government agencies are required to treat them as second class citizens and ensure they are only given a narrow prescribed set of options to manage their lives. The TOP party UBI would be a good start in reversing this culture of neo-feudal lording it over the poor. Some courageous leadership from Labour in challenging the incumbent attitude towards beneficiaries wouldn’t go a miss but is unlikely to make an appearance in this election.

    1. Ardern through Turei under the bus when she said ‘she would never be a cabinet minister under my watch’. Turei would have been a fantastic minister of social welfare and we lost her.

  7. And still people claim that this govt are somehow “magically’ on the left and voting for them is supporting the left? Left of what exactly? Younger people forget it was Labour who started us down the road to global neo liberalism back in the 1980’s. Is it any surprise they have not changed much in terms of philosophy or policy?

    Why would anyone left learning vote for them? The Greens I can understand they are far from perfect in my view too but at least many of their policies are more Socialist. I get why someone describing themselves as left leaning and Socialist would vote for them.

    The real tragedy of all of this self deluded stubbornness on the part of some voters is what we see play out in poverty, homelessness, under and unemployment and ever increasing pressure, in particular, on the middle classes to somehow carry all of this on their backs in the form of ever increasing taxes which are in turn not managed or spent where they are most urgently needed. Not to mention “policy inertia” that see’s little reformed and as a result, little changed.

  8. There seems to be a hierarchy of need. If you are a child or woman your need is seen as more important than if you are a single male living alone on a benefit. That is how it appears.
    If there is queue to limited resources who gets put first and who goes without?
    If we are honest then we already know the answer.

    1. plus one to that.
      Add to that if you are young in a relationship get refused a benefit and then have to find several $100 dollars every week to pay for state refused to fund medicines on top of your living costs.
      All the while your mental and physical health is going down the gurgler and no one seems to give a shit.

  9. Need and and entitlement is based on age, gender and membership in that club we call “the family”

  10. I’ve just posted this elsewhere, but it really belongs here:

    If the Greens can just get this on the table, then change will begin to happen: POVERTY ACTION PLAN.

    It is NOT perfect. But it is a starting point for a change that is so long overdue that there is now a groundswell of opinion out here in the wider population that significant change MUST happen. …even among normally conservative people. Even among economists. And among the wealthy. How desperately ironic that it is Labour themselves who seem to be the last, the very last group to comprehend this??

    The danger is that Sepuloni, Robinson and co will bury the most desperately poor, out of sight, under the cemented “Two Tier” system. THAT cannot happen. And only the Greens seem to recognise this. And only the Greens have any clear policy to begin to address it.

      1. He may as well have brought back the death sentence. Because for some, that is what his policy will mean.

  11. Oh please Child Poverty is so 2017 and Jacinda has a)moved on to religious hate speech, b) forgotten that she was going to do something about it 3 years ago (memory like a sieve) and c) is not interested in solving the real problems of NZ/AO including housing which contributes to the levels of poverty and the children that live in sub-standard accommodation, in cars and other hovels.
    Looking forward to her doing absolutely sweet FA for the next 3 years.

  12. Labour do not increase benefits which are needed but doubled the winter energy payment . While I am sure there are a few getting the pension who needed it I do not know any . To most it has meant a meal out but Labour held it up to show how they were the party that looked after people.
    Where are the programmes that help couples hold off on having a family until they have the means to look after the child.

    1. Heard a war veteran pensioner on National radio the other day Trev. His story is appalling. He is left with $40 a week even after the winter energy payment and accommodation supplement for everything else. I tried to imagine how he managed through the winter previously, He answered the host question by saying he froze. He stated that whilst he struggles to survive on the pension and supplements, the winter energy payment was enough to convince me of the benefits.
      As for your last sentence, I’m sure ACT will tell you these people have choice to choose when to have children, personal choice and freedom of speech and all that sort of stuff.

  13. Id rather be asking what! no rent reductions? No crackdowns on residential property speculation? This is the bottom line for poverty in this country. State, state, state housing. The defining moment for the first Labour government and the defining wimpout for this one.

    1. no rent reductions?

      Yes. For shame.

      No crackdowns on residential property speculation?

      Yes. That too.

    2. You are right. This is the real issue here. Rent and house prices are totally out of whack with NZ wages.
      This has built up over successive governments over the last few decades. The reserve bank further stokes this fire.
      WFF and accomodation supplements are Labour and Nationals can kicking ways of avoiding resolving the underlying causes of unaffordable housing and rents. Raising benefits will just continue to feather landlords pockets, and be music to their ears, and to all the MP’s with real estate stuffed in their family trusts, and super schemes.

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