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  1. I think that everyone, including the police, knows they failed in all the above examples in the ‘real’ sense, but saying they had an obligation to do x and did not do x would mean they failed in the legal sense, which would have further consequences, not just in the examples but in how policing in general is done. It’s the difference between a doctor losing a patient because of an honest mistake in treatment, and a doctor losing a patient because they committed malpractice.

    Do note that the legal principle is the same even outside the United States, and the argument that the Second Amendment or widespread gun ownership has made American citizens safer is… well, let’s just say lacking in convincing evidence. Thus NZ police having guns in all vehicles is lacking in convening evidence.

    In any case, the police do not have a legal obligation to intervene with lethal force in every specific crime or scenario, because the consequences of such an obligation would be worse than whatever problems might stem from the absence of such a law.

    Want every police officer armed, then give them the funding and training to go with it.

    Oh. Any one remeber the cop that shot a cow like 50 times and the cow just keep on walking. Yknow what I’m trying to say.

  2. I have tried many times unsuccessfully?? to find a tv clip (either Campbell live or news) of a number of police firing numerous shots at a dog in porirua, which appeared to be about six to eight feet away from them, and not hitting once. Every time there is a call for police to openly carry firearms, i think of that occasion and the poor courier driver going about his lawful business earning a living, being shot dead on an auckland motorway. Police already have easy access to firearms and do not require even more chances for mistakes. I completely agree that all deaths caused by police actions should be tested in a court of law, and not by the (covering up police complaints authority).

  3. 2 thirteen year olds and one 16 year old were killed in my city last night.

    My daughter got up to check that her male teen was home when she heard this.

    I grieve for them and their families and the Mum who has lost two sons.

    They stole a car goodness sake they didn’t kill anyone, rape anyone.

    This police car chase business has to stop and stop now.

    They are kids we know that, we know that they do stupid things because we did ourselves and we know their brains aren’t fully developed.

    And we know that the cops have already tried to cover there arses by saying they stopped pursuing.

    Until we have real independence in the inquiry into this and other police debacles I will not believe any of it.

  4. Recently (3rd March 2018) I was assaulted by an officer in Hastings Flaxmere by a Constable Recce Marshall. And he assaulted me when I was not posing any danger to him whilst handcuffed which I readily submitted to his command. He was punching me and choking me with his elbow and I lost consciousness numerous times whilst handcuffed when being transfered to the Hastings Police station and the driver of the vehicle (another cop) did nothing or said nothing to stop the assault on me.

    I also had a witness at the address when I was pulled over on the kerb outside her house and I had never meet this woman before who was a nurse. She agreed to write an affidavit witnessing the assault and was also willing to appear in court for my defense as the Police originally charging me with Disorderly Behavior,Intentional damage,resisting arrest upgraded the charge to Aggravated assault because I believe I complained to the IPCA that very day after being released about the arbitrary conduct of one of their officers.

    In the end the aggravated assault was dropped as the charge didn’t meet the category threshold and I had to plead out as the Judge I was going to appear in front of “Judge Ardern” was known to collude with police in perverting the course of justice and I ended up with 100 hrs community work. I am still left with the effects of the assault and am to have my shoulder operated on soon which resulted from the action of a Police officer Reece Marshall.

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