We have a situation where the indigenous minority are being told by an even smaller political minority that their legal rights will be decided by an electoral majority whipped into hysteria by the very same political minority and call that ‘democracy’.
That ACT can simply call a select committee and negotiate a completely different Treaty arrangement where the Crown no longer has an obligation to work with Māori and is based on a radical interpretation of the Treaty that only David Seymour and his reactionary supporters believe in feels like a cruelty to entrench 19th Century white settler privilege rather than herald a new age of Treaty relations.
What ACT are proposing is a race baiting exercise rather than legitimate democratic proposal, it will set this country backwards and cause a level of civil disruption the likes of which we haven’t seen since the Springbok tour.
Taking such a radical position that ends the Crown’s obligation to work with Māori and pretend it’s for a high minded democratic value is insulting, offensive and cynically manipulative.
We collectively deserve better than ACT’s debate.
First published on Waatea News.
We collectively deserve better than ACT. End of Story.
Or maybe Chris Penk who wants keep building cost down by making walls optional. What the f’k is wrong with these people. They are an embarrassment.
Yes wheel they are just plain stupid .Why would you not want warm houses .It seems the rich pricks that are building a 3 million mansion are complaining because it cost 50 k to insulate it .Bet they dont leave half the roof off because its costing 200k compared to 50 for the average house .
ACT is exactly what you deserve, and will continually be what you deserve, until some other parties realize there has to be a better way than Neo-liberalism & identity politics.
The Penk Plan: cost optimisation and reprioritisation by a balanced approach to cheaper housing through less nails and other non-frontline materials.
But but some unnamed builder told Penk that too much insulation can overheat a house….???? What!!!
Any fool knows that insulation does not heat a house.It will hold heat in a house for much longer than not having it ,and, the thicker the insulation in the ceiling walls and floor, the longer the heat is held.
If the house does not require much heating to achieve a comfortable room temperature, then that is a good thing.
Reducing the R.Value of the insulation to save a tiny weeny bit of money is sheer stupidity.
The installion time and cost is still the same.
Slashing $50,000 off the cost of building a house by cutting the R.Value of insulation is utter utter
bullshit.
Where the hell do these people get
their information from.
He’s turned out to be another Seymour….so stupid…so ignorant!!
The majority of ‘Maori’ aren’t even on Maori electoral roll which is a strong indicator of what most Maori want.
Got proof?
Incorrect. The Maori population to end 2023 was 904,100 (RNZ, 2024). The number of Maori aged 0 to 17 is 312,426 (Statistics NZ, 2023, who give a total Maori population 1% lower). This means eligible Maori voters 18+ number 904,100 – 312,426 = 591,674.
The Electoral Commission (2024) states the number of Maori on General roll is 275,190 on Maori roll is 291,581.
So Eligible Maori voters – Actual Maori enrolled = 591,674 – 275,190 – 291,581 = 24,903.
Only 4% of Maori eligible voters are not enrolled to vote. The Electoral Commission data suggests Maori prefer to enrol on the Maori roll.
Electoral Commission. (2024). Maori enrolment. Retrieved from
https://elections.nz/assets/Enrolment-stats-Maori-and-overseas/Maori-Descent-Enrolment-Stats-20240701.xlsx
RNZ. (2024). Maori population grows to 904,100. Retrieved from
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/517010/maori-population-grows-to-904-100
Statistics NZ. (2023). 2023 Census population counts (by ethnic group, age, and Māori descent) and dwelling counts. Table 9. Retrieved from
https://www.stats.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/2023-Census-population-counts-by-ethnic-group-age-and-Maori-descent-and-dwelling-counts/Downloads/2023-Census-national-and-subnational-usually-resident-population-counts-and-dwelling-counts.xlsx
15-17 year olds calculated as 3/5 of 15-19 cohort.
Jody you just smashed another one of Andrew’s conspiracy theories by producing facts. The right don’t like facts, never have, it gets in the way of their alternative truths.
Whatever Andrew Māori mostly gave Labour their party vote and the Māori party their electoral vote. We are working on getting more Maori on the Maori roll it is in progress. However once some of the nasty ones like the lot abusing their democratic powers now see this will give us more say they will remove it as they are doing now with anything else that stands in their way.
Paaaart maaaari “David Seymour” hates Maori full-stop. Why he even insinuates that he’s got a bit of Maori heritage when he says offensive shit about maori that mainly pakeha or some non Maori agree with his beliefs. He uses simple talking points on the face of it sounds plausible but isn’t exactly being entirely truthful because racism is fluid it enforces the tyranny of the majority (western) values & beliefs and can change it stance instantly to claim some moral high ground blaming the minority groups for this social inconvenience.
White Fragility is a book I recommend written by a white person. Its a book not only for pakeha but can educate non pakeha about white peoples fears having a meaningful conversation about race.
Unfortunately in the current climate only maori can contradict maori. Everyone else is too afraid.
Benny, pakeha have been contradicting maori for more than a century you clearly have blinkers on or you’ve never experience what Maori experience in their own country? Why is it important for Seymour to claim maori heritage when clearly he doesn’t look Maori than he uses that only part of his ethnicity as a political talking point claiming unequalness of how Maori are given special privileges but economic & social evidence say otherwise.
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/populations/maori-health
Seymour is just a plastic Maori who thinks he knows better than the real Maori .
and you’re racist
Yeti – Correct…the term plastic Maori is an insult to Maori…Whakapapa is whakapapa
Seymour is still a dangerous racist cunt though
Nice one Gordon, showing how elite maori view maori that do not think like them and don’t toe the victim narrative line, how dare he not agree with us, he must be a pretend ‘plastic’ maori then.
Nice to see your true colours show.
Chill out pakepakeha don’t get your knickers in a twist your venerated Idol “David Seymour” uses da paaart maaaari for maori bashing political scoring it’s not rocket science
LIKE him I have a % of maori blood which would amount to five eighths of three quaters of fuck all .That is a definition of a plastic wannabe maori .Yes I can be racist especially when arsehole like him use their plastic ness to make out they are superior to the real maori people .
David Seymour is a clear thinker.
thinking clearly how to fuck NZers ova got it BF
David Seymour is a little cunt
Bob the first another juvenile post by you in your juvenile little brain.
And David loves a good debate, like Bob the first you could say he is a mass debater.
You missed out a few words !!…
Seymour is an ignorant, poorly informed, non critical thinking, delusional, ‘clear thinker’….yes!
From the muddled to the befuddled comments above it would seem I’m right,David Seymour is a clear thinker.
Clearly it’s time for your minders to put you to bed BTF, you’re up too late and we are all way past your level of intellect.
Whatever Andrew Māori mostly gave Labour their party vote and the Māori party their electoral vote. We are working on getting more Maori on the Maori roll it is in progress. However once some of the nasty ones like the lot abusing their democratic powers now see this will give us more say they will remove it as they are doing now with anything else that stands in their way.
@ covid is pa.
We must remember that post roger rat’s neo-liberalism we have no balanced governance. We really only have significant private wealth bullying we people into doing their bidding. Personally, I find that insulting and belittling and time wasting and dangerous.
We must endeavour to rise above the milling rabble and see a bit further ahead than the beer and circuses the rich drop on for us.
seymour’s full of many things, mainly the metaphorical version of shit but also piss and wind.
17.3 % of AO/NZ’s population is Maori so there goes the Treaty if rat-head gets his icy little fingers going.
@ Maori? @ Farmers? It’s time to party! It’s you guys who have the real power. Farmers are the primary industry therefore they have control of the dawn of our money while Maori have the Treaty and I’m sure many Maori are also farmers
Together, you lot could reinvent AO/NZ for the betterment of us all and secure a wonderful future for your kids, pets and sundry aliens who surely come here in secret just for a laugh.
If you don’t. I’m warning you, we’re all fucked. They IDF will float down here, herd us to the far side of Rakiura then use us for target practice. So stop fucking around. Ignore our current politics, that’s fucked. It’s a time wasting, pointless exercise in futility, the last forty years will bare me out on that one. @ Farmers, @ Maori @ your down stream service industry and you lovely ordinary lot happy with your kids and your lives… Unite and Fight. Refuse to acquiesce to boring ugly morons who’s only talent is in stealing other people’s money because they have politicians, the IRD and the four now foreign owned banks in their sweaty little pockets.
When you come home from the supermarket cartels with your few bags of groceries and no money left for a piss up and a trip to a nice spot, are you ok with that? Are you going to take it up the arse or are you going to fight back as is your right! Be aware! AO/NZ = 14 multi-billionaires, 3118 multi-millionaires each with a post tax $50 million minimum and four now foreign owned banks making more profits from you and me than any other banks in the world with the exception of Canada at a rate of $180.00 a second 24/7/365. Are you ok with that or does that fuck you off?
“Farmers and their families make up only 2-3 percent of the total population. New Zealand is one of the most urbanised countries in the OECD.”
” There were 887,493 people identifying as being part of the Māori ethnic group at the 2023 New Zealand census, making up 17.8% of New Zealand’s population.”
New Zealand is one of the most urbanised countries in the OECD and yet our primary export industry is agriculture derived from 2-3 percent of the population begging to party with 17.8% of the population which is Maori.
Can you see where I’m going with this? No? I’ll tell you. I’m walking up the drive way to the 14 multi-billionaires the 3118 multi-millionaires each with a post tax $50 million minimum and four now foreign owned banks making more profits from you and me than any other banks in the world with the exception of Canada at a rate of $180.00 a second 24/7/365 so the question must be; where the fuck exactly did they get that money from.
The Press.
“NZ banks ‘some of the most profitable in the world”
New Zealand’s banks are only beaten for profitability by banks in Canada, global credit ratings company S&P Global Ratings says.
https://www.thepress.co.nz/business/350094635/nz-banks-some-most-profitable-world
If you’re now fucking freaking out at the prospect of not being so much a citizen of Aotearoa / New Zealand but merely slaves to rich, abusive local scum and Bitches to once were Kiwi but are now foreign owned banks then you fucking should be. We’re being gaslighted into squabbling amongst ourselves while graeme hart for example buys another super yacht to float under Auckland Harbour Bridge on.
More Maori in govt or in caucus than in the history of New Zealand.
Yep Maori are so marginalised. (Sarc btw)
White trash.
Democracy sucks when the other lot are in power doesn’t it.
So what about when the minority got to choose their own rights over everybody else for 6 years?
Wow. You finally show yourself as way more complex than transphobic. Add f’ing idiot to the list.
No leg up in epsom no seat on parliament,
Eh David
Mark – After National lost the Tamaki seat to ACT…I am guessing no more deals unless urgently needed.
Nathan the cancer spread from Epsom to Tamaki. Without it starting in Epsom, it would not have spread, simple.
Nathan the cancer spread from Epsom to Tamaki. Without it starting in Epsom, it would not have spread, simple.
A referendum needs the majority to vote for it to succeed
Which part of that is minority rule?
What is it, 184 years of pissing on Maori? Rogernomics was the renewal of that for the last 40 years — we deliberately left behind the neediest. Don’t expect Maori to feel they belong to our state. Seymour’s party brought this around and he expects to make hay out of it? How the Right operates. Why the Left needs to shout like a volcano, rather than the last 40 years of middle class operatives studying their CVs.
A maori parliament funded by maori, the govt allocates the equivalent of 17% of the tax take to it each year (Maori population), and then the maori parliament collect tax from maori workers only and pay out their welfare benefits due.
Let’s see how long before it’s bankrupt and the top maori/iwi leaders bank accounts are flowing over.
Will be a fascinating experiment in self destruction.
Your white bandage ear piece is in the mail…tighty righty…
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350348193/trump-supporters-wear-ear-bandages-new-sign-unity
Meanwhile the dessicated rest of NZ/AO look at themselves with anxiety, what do we believe in, what is our kaupapa? Oh we aren’t supposed to use Maori at all now are we. Let’s have a cup of tea and a sitdown and see if any money has come into our purview, or pureview if one prefers. Let’s go and see Auntie Maisie, at least the oldies still count for something in this Strange New World.
TPM doesn’t want to be the Government they know they wouldn’t know what to do.
So many grammatical errors. Please explain?
Still waiting?
Troll bots can’t reply they are programmed to just throw shit and runaway.
I see from headlines that both Seymour and Jones are under threat of contempt of court rulings over the removal of TOW provisions from various state organisations, where the courts have ruled they must comply. I believe, if I’ve read the article correctly, that the existing body of laws require certain actions be taken that cannot be overruled by executive direction. It means the pharmacy and Maori health actions are illegal and must be terminated until parliament changes laws, among other actions taken. I also see that unless the ministers, Seymour and Jones comply with the court rulings, a bench warrant may be issued committing them to incarceration for an indefinite term until they comply. Interesting.
Well spoken, yet again.
I say ‘spoken’ instead of ‘written’ because I think the spoken word is the highest jewel of our species — a green leaf to the dead leaf of the written word. Closely connected to the people’s cause, and so rationalism.
Your belt-tightening, eliminating old comments, works everywhere but the talk section, where it makes a mockery of the picture calling for solidarity of the people.
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