BOOM – TDB told you, this hard right racist climate denying beneficiary bashing Government has spooked the fuck out of the electorate!
A new Government 5 months into power is gone!
National – 36
Labour – 30
Greens – 14
ACT – 7
NZ First – 4
Māori Party – 4
The internal polling from Labour this weekend has
National – 34
Labour – 33
Greens – 12
ACT – 7
NZF – 6
Māori Party – 4
Why?
Exactly the dynamics that TDB argued would happen are happening.
Most National voters voted National in the hope their house price would go up 10%, what they have in fact got is the most right wing Government ever passing culture war revenge fantasies as social policy!
The danger for this hard right racist climate denying beneficiary bashing Government is that they haven’t even implemented their own agenda yet and it is FAR worse than anything that has been announced!
THIS was the reason National suddenly sacked Melissa Lee and Penny Simmonds last week because the internals warned National this had happened.
NZ First apologist platform The Democracy Project and all the other right wing media Trolls claimed Luxon was tough, when really it was a knee-jerk move of panic!
What’s the lesson?
Stick with TDB, not The Democracy Project.
The real meltdown in this Government will happen the moment the realities of the austerity budget kicks in.
Watch as NZ First and ACT panic. They appeal to the polarised fringes, and the polarised fringes scare the shit out of the middle!
Kiwis are not as cruel or malicious as the Right’s Culture War Trolls or their Political representatives think they are.
We are a better people than this Government is.
Losing so much support in such a short time is unique and it speaks to the limitations of corrosive revenge policy to a voting culture who are very centrist and fair.
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I predict that winston will see out his term as dep PM then crash this mess in the hope it bumps his polling enough to get in again.
Winston would sell his mother to stay in power – he would do anything – so yes I agree this is likely
I remember Winston saying years ago that most politicians would crawl over broken glass to get the job. Maybe in his own mind he didn’t include himself but…
A new Government 5 months into power is gone!
My god, you mean the election is tomorrow?
Oh right, it’s not until Nov 2026. What was that recent phrase you’re so proud of? masturbated to hentie anime porn
You must be the Right’s Culture War Troll Martyn was alluding to judging by your comment.
As I’ve said just recently, the opposition need not do anything they can sit back and watch this hard right wing government destroy New Zealand in it’s entirety, such is its corruption.
The opposition did not do much when in power so doing nothing now will come easy.
We had 6 years of running the country like it was a popularity competition and where did that get us .
Oh look its Trev or Bob the Farts second wind both stink
Oh so childish is the toilet humour of a person called Derek and Clive.Nevertheless I’m flattered by their attention.Keep it up chaps.
Yep you keep up with the crap and we keep up the humour
Shallow Bob te tahi.
NSC I swim in the deep end,was taught to do so age 5 at prep school.
Seems you swallowed too much water so now stay in the shallow pool.
Your vanity knows no bounds Bob t f despite it not being justified.
Good on you Trevor, keep flying the flag. Will you be happy when Benson And Hedges Bishop and his other 2 mates want to build a road through your section. It won’t be a hospital or a school. These guys have no social conscience. Just looking after their mates is the priority. Don’t imagine you are on the list.
That is a myth!!
Well it was certainly run as a popularity competition under Key and where did that get us? It got us the hole we’re in now and this government is repeating it.
And now the Government is so desperate they had to roll out John Key into the chambers to support Luxon. Trevor, John Key was the epitome of the “popularity contest”. Jacinda Ardern didn’t seek it but it came to her because of her strength as a leader.
NSC you poor thing.
Oh Gosh Bob the last, you really are very shallow.
I think it’s pretty sad. You would have hoped that the likes of Shane Jones, Costello and Hoggard (in fact most of ACT) would have had NZF and ACT tumbling. The same could be said about Luxon, Brown, and Bishop. I guess that speaks to how unappealing the opposition parties are.
Polls don’t matter 2 and half years from the next election. Anything could happen between now and then.
Yes…true….like there is every likely hood that they will be gone before the three years is up.
Looking at the sheer stupidity of what they have coming down the pipeline for everyday New Zealanders i’m picking an early election at the 20 month mark…if not before!
The left is tracking up, and the right tracking down. This is a good jumping off point for Labour heading into the next 2.5 years. A lot better than the Key years when National would constiently poll at ~50%
” Anything could happen between now and then. ”
Yeah the Nasty Natz could drop to 20.
It is only one poll. But … it is a pretty big turn around in only 6 months. You also assume this government will last a full term (with Winston & Seymour nipping at each other and Luxon it is plausible that an early election may be called – especially when Winston’s time as DPM comes to an end) … which is unlikely if the current trend continues (that is, the right haemorrhaging support)
You are correct Nitrium but let the left celebrate they’ve had little reason to do so lately.
And the right have nothing to celebrate, the honeymoon is over. Reality has set in.
Try swimming in the deep end Bobtf, everyone of your posts are shallow.
Good job. Biggest challenge is to keep up the momentum. Labour needs to go harder.
” Biggest challenge is to keep up the momentum. Labour needs to go harder. ”
What momentum ?
No they just need to be smarter and not work harder millsy but sit back and get back in by default.
So now they’re gone. OK, lets now find out how we, a small population of grower-manufacturer-exporters of foods and wondrous wools country has tanked into a middle ages economy while 14 multi-billionaires, 3118 multi-millionaires each with an after tax minimum of $50 mil are still boldly sucking the life out of us while four foreign owned banksters make/take the worlds second highest profits out of us, being second only to Canada so it’s reported here.
The Press.
https://www.thepress.co.nz/business/350094635/nz-banks-some-most-profitable-world
It’s no longer valid to suggest lets tax the rich, it’s now, and always has been, more a case of lets investigate the rich. Lets get a speculum and a torch then go up them?
We urgently need a royal commission of inquiry into and up every single element of our overall economy, our politics and our banking systems followed by a stiff Gin because we’re going to need it.
Very true. The social programs for vulnerable children that National are cutting at the behest of the Tim Jago party could be funded out of the money that ‘New Zealander’ Peter Thiel spends on blood boys alone.
Clusterfuxon and the ‘Coalition of Chaos’ don’t have a fucking clue and it’s laughable when Luxon keeps trotting out his tired old lines about how he won’t be lectured to by Chris Hipkins on how to run a country like he and Seymour and Peters are oh soooo superior.
Their ‘stop everything’ approach is turning into a financial disaster of epic proportions.
A $ 200million dollar penalty for pulling the plug on the essential inter sland ferry contract just for starters.
Hundreds of civil contractors around the country sitting around twiddling their thumbs.
Tax cuts for millionaire property owners while essential services are being cut.
Oh yeah…Clusterfuxon reeeaaallly knows what he’s doing c’os he’s just sooooo experienced!!!!
200. Million lose is better than a 3billion debt. Just one of the hard calls this government has had to make and these are unpopular with some
You forgot that you would actually have boats that work Trevor. You are so National it’s easy to see how we are in such a mess as a country
Idiot Trevor. The word is loss. The loss is to the tourism industry alongside the freighting industry and connection to the South Island. Anyone with any fiscal nous knows this will be well over a 3 billion loss, all told.
Wait till a ferry sinks or all 3 breakdown at the same time you knob.
I will be expecting you to repeat that line when one of the ferries is sitting on the bottom of cook straight.
And there are multiple deaths with blood on Nicolas hands.
You forgot a few matters, Grant….. like: a health system crumbling exponentially now that CigaReti is in charge; a police force that’s emigrating to Oz daily because Mumbling Mark Mitchell won’t even give them a teachers’ wage (and police put their lives on the line daily); road-makers in their hundreds ready to go to work but no shovel-ready projects so they’re emigrating too; with ultimate, crucial decisions in the hands of Bishop, Brown and Dr Porn Pork it spells disaster fore democracy; a deputy PM that is giving Joe Biden a run to see who’s first to get to the retirement village care centre; and a PM who constantly and repetitively trots out inane one-liners (the election was so last year – did you forget?); to say nothing of the forthcoming race-war that 7aa is in dire danger of starting; and so it goes on and on and on And all the while the planet is slowly but surely burning and the current clods are only encouraging it!
These latest polls are far too generous to this so-called ‘government’.
The Police shouldn’t compare their wages with degree qualified Teachers & Nurses, and instead use a comparison with the Army. Both Police & Miltary have similar levels of training & involve personal risk, but a Police officer is generally better paid than a soldier.
Except army don’t have the same living costs (no rent, food, clothing or commuter transport costs) as Police unless they choose too.
When I was working in Australia, I didn’t pay for any of those things and still got paid considerably more than a Police Officer. Living costs have nothing to do with pay rates, if that is a concern, don’t take the job, find something better. Also I’ve never heard of a Police officer stepping on a land mine & they generally get to sleep in their own bed most nights, not a ditch.
And soldiers get deployment pay.
And probably even with that, the average soldier still gets less than the average Police officer.
It’s also worth noting that teachers & nurses are predominantly female, so will generally get paid less than similarly qualified men, so it’s likely they are already undervalued. Maybe if the Police want more money, they should gain some qualifications & upskill themselves, all while not being paid, just like teachers & nurses.
I have a question, should Police receive an income less than a backbench politician, given the positions police have to put themselves in on the front line?
Yes, privates at the pointy end get paid considerably less than generals, people working underground at the coal face get considerably less than their managers sitting in air conditioned office. Compensation generally isn’t linked to risk.
Of course Police officers can become politicians if they want a pay rise, it isn’t too much of a leap for some, Labour is always on the lookout for talent, especially with union connections.
Wow!
Not a fan of Labour or unions are you?
Not a fan of Cahill.
Not a surprise at all.
Lol
I know KCCO, National are a laughing stock!
A right total Clusterfuxon is the best type of Clusterfuxon!!!
Good on you Trevor, keep flying the flag. Will you be happy when Benson And Hedges Bishop and his other 2 mates want to build a road through your section. It won’t be a hospital or a school. These guys have no social conscience. Just looking after their mates is the priority. Don’t imagine you are on the list.
As they crash and burn the NZ economy, expect their popularity to plummet further.
The swing voters are seeing with their own eyes how these donor-owned parties forming the Coalition are destroying what’s left of the State for the benefit of ……………….drum roll please …………you’re never gonna believe it……………….gosh the suspense is unbearable…………..but the answer is: THEIR DONORS.
Gosh, what a complete surprise.
Tragic however that so many are currently discovering this obvious fact the hard way.
As Martyn has repeatedly said, the worst is yet to come if they are allowed to continue on this destruction of the public sphere.
” Tragic however that so many are currently discovering this obvious fact the hard way.
As Martyn has repeatedly said, the worst is yet to come if they are allowed to continue on this destruction of the public sphere. ”
May 30th is coming.
The mother of all budget austerity part two.
I went to donate some food to our local food bank today and the lady in charge told me they have no money since covid donations and government help has dried up. She said more working people are coming in for help and many are embarrassed and have found it hard to ask for help. I was saddened to hear this. And I have a mortgage and I am not rich but I told her I will try and donate as much as I can. I already donate to three other charities but given this food bank is in my local community I feel I need to help. Growing up in the 60s we got help with subsidised mutton, milk, fruit in schools, 2 cent hot chocolate in winter. We has school dental clinics, plunket, a family doctor but now it’s everyman for himself what is becoming of our country. I don’t like seeing people without a decent roof over their head and no food,we were brought up to share food. Now winter is coming sad
Well said.
This is not the country I grew up in either – the rot set in in 1987 with Rogernomics and neoliberalism – me, me, me!
Yep clear evidence right there it’s the incumbent governments fault, moron.
Dont bother for one second reflecting on the money wasted and borrowed by the last inept wastrels, your more than likely still masked up and wanting a lockdown.
Your comment Pedro reads like something straight out of One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.
Stick to drinking your Coolaid and listen to Trumps truth central( bahahaha)
Think the matrix…
There is no covid…
There is no covid…
PS get boosted Bert.
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Yes covid it’s very sad where the Labour Government took New Zealand but it’s wonderful the Coalition is taking us back to prosperity.
Another shallow post by Bob te tahi troll.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8007940/#:~:text=The%20approach%20has%20been%20highly,into%20account%2010%20key%20metrics%2C
You really should get back to your colouring in books Bob.
Polls show National taking the country backwards. Fact.
…. for themselves and coterie of rich mates; not the needy, just the greedy..
Well said Verity, when Bob say “us”, he just means a couple.
What I would like to see is the two largest parties drop away support entirely.
Neither one has the answers to the current economic malaise they are both guilty of creating.
The Natz are only making the situation worse and are now discovering earlier than predicted what plummeting poll ratings are all about. After all the last majority Labour government were hated by the end and still are by the majority of the population.
Actually the evidence of this poll shows both ACT and NZ First are hated by the majority of this country and as they are aligned with National, this poll shows the majority of our population hate the right bloc.
I would also like to see the back of 2 parties: ACT & Winston First! Both are detrimental to NZ, followed closely by the 2 main parties – unless Labour actually have the balls to implement a CGT and possibly another wealth tax. If the wealthy (all 12 of them) want to leave for tax havens, then fuck off – the country is better without them because history has shown they are only in it for themselves. and they have NEVER paid their fair share of tax.
100% Bob. And we glorify these rich parasites.
Somewhere there is an unused pile of psych meds.
Calm down chaps, most people are disengaged with politics this stage of the cycle, it’s a tad early to predict the second coming of Hipkins.
While it is good to see the current coc dropping in support the idea of Labour sleepwalking to victory is not something to get excited about. We all need to make hard decisions that involve putting self aside however most people find it easier to be critical of others while ignoring their own faults.
I see that we need a better & bigger government which obviously needs a reliable level of support & income but there does not seem to be the voter support or suitable politicians available to actually achieve that ambition.
David Seymour was never elected by the majority yet there he is making majority decisions. Mark my words the backbenchers will soon be in revolt with these so called co leaders get the popcorn watch this space.
” David Seymour was never elected by the majority yet there he is making majority decisions. ”
Thats what you get with the Natz coalition agreement and MMP.
The Greens never had that much influence in past governments and they poll higher than the Atlas party.
One swallow does not a summer make. Just an understandable reaction to the pain before the eventual gain.
Yes the 1% will gain the rest will suffer pain.
Yeah yeah the 99 % really prospered under Labour didn’t they mental health patient Bert.
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Hilarious watching mainstream press attributing these results as down to “incumbency” and continued inflation etc etc as opposed to shock at manic destruction of govt. services and democracy.
C’mon Chippy, off to the GG and tell her you can form a new govt. Or don’t you know what a man is either.
Well it’s certain not Luxon Ann E.
And you would know what a man is because you are one?
Amusing that the left deliberately misgender as an insult, but do it to them and it’s a hate crime or even genocide.
Complex alright.
Not yet. That will come when transhumanism is more advanced. Shouldn’t take too many more years – transgenderism is but the first step and that’s so en vogue now. Hadn’t you realised?
It seems like this is the obverse side of the culture war paradigm- when dealing with material needs, put meeting them before some eccentric populist nostrum of interest only to social or cultural conservatives. If I were Luxon, I’d ask myself ‘Eep! Can I really afford to pander to ACT and have the Opposition relentlessly raise the spectre of a nine million dollar (+) vanity populist referendum because of their animus against biculturalism?’ …and… “So what do I to do even things out with New Zealand First, in that case?” But he won’t, of course. That would mean standing up to his coalition partners.
All I can say is, thank goodness we have a three year term.
If only we had a one year term we could be rid of these gob shites now.
“All I can say is, thank goodness we have a three year term. ”
C’mon Bomber you know that a four year term is a step to far and will only serve the interests of the plutocracy.
Its not like we have a real clear alternative on the left.
I see quite a few commenters have pooh-hood the poll as a “rogue poll” and a one off. Were these the same commenters who ignored the polls leading up to the last election? That says it all about how much notice we should take from them!
The fact remains that less than six months in, and the wheels have fallen off this government. No other government in the last 40 years has had such a disastrous start. That must mean something to any same observer; you can bet your bottom dollar that it does to Luxon. He’s staring down the inevitability of a one term government without the possibility of return while he leads. That simple fact will affect how he deals with Peters and Seymour. Behind the scenes, they are going to get told bluntly – pull your fucking horns in or we go to a snap election – and you both know what that means for your parties – political oblivion.
That said, watch the next budget which will be heavily influenced by this poll and the next one.
Best you don’t google up the latest Roy Morgan poll which for some reason didn’t get any press.
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nz-national-voting-intention-april-2024?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MRU%2030th%20April%202024&utm_content=MRU%2030th%20April%202024+CID_9d969be87ac2fe6ae2f1b7fad8306afd&utm_source=Market%20Research%20Update&utm_term=Read%20Full%20Article
You are quite right. What is interesting is that the most support comes from pale, stale, old males. The evidence shows that older men like the 80s and 90s style of government and aren’t particularly worried about the environment or our future.