Coalition talks: PM-elect Christopher Luxon optimistic a coalition deal can be struck today
National leader Christopher Luxon is hopeful a coalition deal can be struck today after working late into the night to iron out the last remaining issues.
Arriving at Parliament Thursday morning, Luxon said he had not managed to close his coalition deal overnight, but was optimistic it would happen today.
He said there was still some work to do but a deal was “really close.”
”At the moment, we’ve got a little bit of work to do this morning and then hopefully we’ll be in a good place. I’m talking to the leaders, another couple of conversations this morning and hopefully we’ll have it closed out.
“We’ve done a lot of other work last night, but we’ve just got a couple of telephone calls to make and should be in good shape.”
Winston Peters arrived at Auckland Airport just after 10am Thursday, and when asked if he was boarding a flight to Wellington responded with ‘take a wild guess’.
Jesus this is just such a glorious clusterfuck isn’t it?
Even if they sign this buffet of dead rats today, we won’t forget the egos, the venal self interest and the ability for Chris Bishop to look rumpled at all times.
It’s like he’s a perpetual crumb.
The weird haiku poem secret messages Shane Jones pompously brain farts each and every fucking day reminds everyone what a terrible bore that man has already become.
He refers to himself in the third person so much he’s become 3 dimensional.
We will never forget the disappointment on Nicola Willis’s face nor the terror in Luxon’s eyes.
He looks like a frightened virgin at an orgy.
Even if this cursed deal gets signed, we’ve already seen what they are and we’ve seen our political stability drop suddenly…
Coalition talks: New Zealand’s political stability lowest since financial crisis
Long coalition negotiations from the new Government have seen a major economics consultancy downgrade its perception of New Zealand’s political stability to its lowest rating in more than a decade.
BMI, which is owned by the Fitch Group, one of the three big ratings agencies, docked a couple of points from New Zealand’s score in its Short-Term Political Risk Index (STPRI), which measures a country’s political stability.
The accompanying report said New Zealand’s score had decreased to 78.5 out of 100, down from 79.4 – the lowest score the country has received since 2010. A lower score implies greater political risk.
…totally on the cards for ACT to pull out of supply and confidence agreements and force a snap election the millisecond NZ First drops far enough below the 5% to eliminate Winston altogether.
Luxon was supposed to be the great deal maker. The internal rage within National’s High Command at how he has mishandled the entire negotiation process has opened enormous private concerns about his ability to do the job, indeed the only reason Winston and David are 100% certain they are signing up to this is because they’ve witnessed Luxon’s incompetence first hand and know they can run rings around him and get more by exploiting him than they ever dreamed possible.
If this Government were a fable, it would be a scorpion riding on a fox’s face sitting in the open jaws of a great white shark.
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CHRIS CLUSTERFUXON FTW!!!
Don’t you guys want the best foe New Zealand?
I most certainly do Sam and for the first time in 6 years I’m optimistic.
One person’s optimism is another’s delusions. Thank you Bob, you always deliver.
Haha!
Thank you bert.
More delusion.
Yes..’The Clusterfuck Party’ is the perfect term to describe them..
Their theme tune should be ‘The Carpenters’ song ‘ We’ve Only Just Begun’….white lies and promises…a misstep and we’re on our way..
Talking things over just the 2..er..make that.. 3 of us..
You can just see how this is going to track…
We are now the laughing stock of the world..
U.K. had the mantle with Boris..
U.S. had it with Trump
Brazil had it with Bolsenaro
Aussie had it with Scomo
Yet good old stupid naive N.Z., even with all those examples of what not to do, did not want to be left out.
They just had to have their turn with the clusterfuck stick!
We are actually so beyond stupid i don’t believe there is a word to describe it!!
There’s another song Grant…these three sing ” tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies”
Now we return to the previous 9 years of deception and a low wage economy where everyone goes backward except business who are given handouts.
Uncle Fester, Rimmer and some old prick to the rescue.
NSC you are obviously not a man of letters.
How bad must Chippy and Roberston feel about this outcome?
They must feel bad Ada, returning to a low wage economy, I know the rest of the country will.
Cue the Circus music!
Here’s a goodie albeit UK-centric.
George Monbiot’s worth the read if you haven’t already.
The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/22/britain-money-bank-bailouts-state-failure
His piece says to me that privatisation is a logical fallacy drafted up to fool the person in the street out of their money. As we can see here, https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/11/23/a-tale-of-two-pities-graeme-harts-superyachtvs-salvation-army-christmas-hampers/ that’s worked a treat for the fucked up psycho’s we’re told we must adore. Our MSM, for example, get all hot and sticky and pink cheeked and wow E when the fucking scum banks turn a frightening profit. Why? How is that exciting? And yet that’s how it’s pitched. You see what I mean? We’re being fucking played. By our own fucking media! I mean, what The fuck.
Not only are we being suckered, we’re not alone because the sucker-system has global appeal and it’s why the planet, and us by our tenuous connections to it, are, put bluntly, fucked.
I think we need to act. And no, not that ACT. Only emotionally dead things can ACT. I’m thinking more as in action. Lets put things in simple terms, perhaps with infantile pictures like they did on our election paperwork. A ball and vagina-less orange creature and a let’s get hokey ’cause life’s such a breeze orange dog-thing.
Life’s not a breeze. It was, before roger the rat douglas and his cronies. That fucker should be in jail. Roger did to us what thatcher did to George Monbiot’s UK. What regan did to the U$A. They sold us a Ponzi scam and we lovely trusting souls fell for it because they lied to us and they’re still lying. I don’t know about your guys but I’m fucking over it. I don’t want any more politicians who lie to me then walk away with my money to get into our ministerial car then warm-seat it to their fucking mansions while my fellow poor fuckers are living on the streets. I’m fucking over that.
Here’s what we can do. We strike. We side with our agricultural export industry and give no more money to anyone. None to the fucking bankster scum, none to the rich psycho’s, none to anyone everywhere for any reason until the bad guys are sent out to have a wee chat.
That big boat little graeme hart’s just pulled up in? That’s not his. That’s yours. He built it with your money. Did you tell him he could do that? No! Then what the fuck are you doing? Go get it! Go for a ride around the harbour in it!
Of course you won’t and that’s the real problem isn’t it. That’s why you got fucked to begin with and that’s why you’re getting fucked now and if you think you’re reaching the merciful end to the fuckings you’re getting then oh dear Jesus, you aint seen nuthin’ yet.
Looking forward to our chief negotiator (Luxon) doing a trade deal with India only problem is I wonder how long it will take.
You obviously have never had personal involvement in serious negotiations.The speed of resolution is of no essence versus the effectiveness of the agreement.
The late Labor Government concluded trade deals that were cosmetic only,they were of no commercial benefit.
Bob the first our newly elected leader bragged about how good he was at negotiating with all his years of experience running several corporate companies, now how come he is not walking his talk and its very early days not a good look so far, out of a ten rating I would give him a two.
Christ! I hope you’re not a public servant
He isn’t a public servant, although, he is the village idiot if that counts for anything.
He was.
Bob the UK deal was worth it for the wine industry. This is half the problem. If it’s not food additive milk powder or a side of beef it’s supposedly not worth it for anyone else. That’s great for diversity.
Don’t make things complicated for Bob by writing more than 3 worded sentences Wheel.
“Worded sentences.”
Good heavens,what next.
There are 2 sides to every trade negotiation and National never managed to get the deals that Labour did so it seems that you would prefer nothing with National than accept what most commentators agree were the best deals possible.
severely EU sided benefits of a few crumbs agreed mainly for Labour to be able to celebrate that any deal was done.
The Aussies saw what NZ agreed to, were offered similar & told the EU to get stuffed.
Thanks RobbieWgtn you are correct whereas the ill informed make things up to suit their argument.Doing so makes you and me more correct.
Next century at the earliest…
Only problem is … India will be toast..ed by then…
Yep…they are a real future prospect for sure ..
Clusterfuxon knows how to pick winners alright…..Really does his homework… when he can drag himself away from re-reading his favourite books…
‘How to Win Friends and Influence People’
‘The Art of The Deal’ …
and..
…the hardest one of all to learn..
‘How to Pick The Low Hanging Fruit Whilst Mastering The Power Handshake’.
He’s certainly got his hands full there!!
But hey…he’s been the CEO of a small Government owned airline and a plastic junk bibs and bobs company.
What could go wrong…
Ridiculous one eyed idiotic comments.Where have you been for the last 6 years when the Labour Government set about destroying our country?
We now have a future.
They’re taking NZ in a new direction, circular and diminishing.
Made the mistake of watching ONE News last evening.
Some observations from the segment on the Coalition of Chaos (you can see for yourself on TVNZ+ if you like).
@6.0 mins in, Cluxon was already fumbling “What we’ve gotta do is close this government…ahhh……”.
Yeah, for once you’re right Christopher – kill this bedevilled nascent cluxterf@ck before it begins and spare us all!
Although that might deprive us of the entertainment this muppet will provide – albeit ultimately at our expense 🙁
@11:00 mins in. What followed was further confirmation of how the working classes are made to pay for sustained profit taking at the top through high interest rates and high unemployment rates (the “War Against Inflation” as Katie Bradford breathlessly proclaimed, without batting an eyelid). But all presented as a fait accompli of course. You must suffer, so others may profit. First rule of the system you bottom feeders – so learn it well.
Whilst Bradford gabbled on (like one of those meaningless National election campaign adverts) she happily made excuses for the much vaunted – but now signposted by Bradford as underwhelming because they’re “running out of time” (??!!) – mini-budget that was promised as a palliative to the poor old “squeezed middle. Far out – why doesn’t this woman just some out and front their next election campaign??
At @11:30 mins into the segment, Katie glibly blathered “Also they want before Christmas to get a couple of pieces of legislation through to help give the economy a bit of confidence (Yep, her words). They’re likely to be around Labour Employment Laws because that’s something all 3 parties agree on and something that’s quick and easy to get through Parliament so maybe scrapping those Fair Pay Agreements and reintroducing 90 day trials….”
“Give the economy confidence”??! Who are you talking about Katie? Certainly not workers. Removing the few crumbs of pro worker legislation wrangled from the last govt., before they’ve even taken their first breath. Sweet Baby Cheeses.
ONE News is a continuous running defence for National. As others have noted, the ramraids and other negative events threatening to rend asunder the fabric of known civilisation have apparently ceased.
The sheer malevolence of this 3-way Cluxonfest guvmint is going to bite the easily led “squeezed middle” where they didn’t expect.
Expecting a $250/week tax cut AND lower prices on food/accomodation AND improved public services were you??
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha……..
Yes, with only 14 billionaires and a few thousand millionaires worth more than 50 mil., that’s not a lot of people with plenty to spend is it? Will they be able to spend enough in NZ to keep us going when 90% of us have to tighten our belts.
There are already complaints that retail and hospitality are slowing down and we don’t yet know the extent of the belt tightening.
It appears our likely inability to keep the economy ‘strong and stable’ has been noted by international economics consultants and we’ve been down-graded. Robertson’s plan had received the big tick from those experts but he knows nothing, he’s just Labour!
However they don’t like the look of Nicola’s plan and the 3 ringed circus adds to their doubts.
If your best idea for the economy is to take from the poor to give to the rich, then you are short of ideas. Time to think again Mr. Luxon. You are looking anything but ‘strong and stable’.
You are looking like someone who repeats himself constantly, makes out he knows everything but more than likely won’t deliver.
Jase your commentary on Katie Bradford made me laugh. Anyone would think she thought what she was saying was important. I don’t know why tvnz thinks these people are adequate to report, comment or analyze. You would think they could find better.
Unfortunately, the amusement of watching them and the politicians they waffle on about, all make fools of themselves, won’t make up for the horrible damage they will cause. Once again, when they go, mercifully soon we hope, the Left will have to set to and try to salvage the country and make up for lost time with the environment and other programmes which they fully intend to neglect so that they can reward their very generous donors and foreign friends.
” Made the mistake of watching ONE News last evening ”
That’s not a mistake ….its an intentional mistake.
Serves you ” right “
🙂
Although I have my doubts about Luxon you have to wonder if he is going to be another Key in the sense that the left constantly wrote him off and expected that it would all come crashing down very quickly. He is a salesman who will spent the next 3 years trying to sell whatever he is doing as a much better than the other side. Unless Labour can find some leadership that is going to get cut through with the electorate I don’t see them being in a great position to make inroads with the large number of voters they have lost in 3 years.
Drive up house prices and to hell with anything to protect the environment from milk powder production. He sounds exactly like another Key. To give Key is due at least he didn’t dabble in stupid distractions around race. Hopefully Luxon quietly puts that to bed.
I for one hope it does work out for Luxon but not with that stupid sell off houses to more foreigners than we do now. Tax bloody speculation now, you don’t need to invite the planet to buy us. Of course he won’t do this and that’s why he’s looking like self interested prat.
Like Key he will just sell off as much SOE’s as he possibly can just to give the tax cuts, not sell himself as better than the other side. People voted for monkey’s so sadly now they get peanuts.
Luther is a glove puppet to ponytail puller.
Bob the first our newly elected leader bragged about how good he was at negotiating with all his years of experience running several corporate companies, now how come he is not walking his talk and its very early days not a good look so far, out of a ten rating I would give him a two.
Rimmer and Old man yells out clouds are the least of our hairless leaders problems
No electorate win, no Deputy PM, odds on her smoke and mirrors tax policy has been gutted as well, not much left for Nicola Willis to but keep the knife sharp and wait…
I wonder whether the word ‘hyperbole’ was coined with you in mind.
As that a synonym for “donkey and a hole”?
A very big donkey hole. (As in very large Ass hole barking at the moon)
“He” makes as much sense.
I can just Winston fastidiously guarding public toilets in his little tin foil fascinator
Nah, he’ll dump most of the fringe lunatic bull shit so he can spend the next wee while trying to poach as many National voters as he can.
Fabulous creatures are of course fascinating – but our politicians are lesser beasts, striving their atrophied hearts out just to be second-best, even on their best days.
The College of Arms will be taxed to find a collection of appropriately shabby, disappointing, and unremarkable creatures. Maybe a white-tailed spider on a near-sighted guinea-pig, menaced by a spiny dogfish.
lets see how long the coillition of chaos lasts before winston spits the dummy
One thing is for sure, come the next election (whenever it occurs), the claws will be out. Seymour and Peters dislike for each other will suddenly resurface ad they jockey for votes.
They will go 9 years and surprise as all.
The three not quite almost circus.
” BMI, which is owned by the Fitch Group, one of the three big ratings agencies, docked a couple of points from New Zealand’s score in its Short-Term Political Risk Index (STPRI), which measures a country’s political stability.
The accompanying report said New Zealand’s score had decreased to 78.5 out of 100, down from 79.4 – the lowest score the country has received since 2010. A lower score implies greater political risk.
This is Fitch Group…….
Launched in 2008, Fitch Solutions offers a range of fixed-income products and professional development services for financial professionals. The firm also distributes Fitch Ratings’ proprietary credit ratings, research, financial data, and analytical tools.
Criticism –
” The value of credit ratings for securities has been widely questioned. Hundreds of billions of securities that were given the agencies’ highest ratings were downgraded to junk during the financial crisis of 2007–08.[4][5][6] Rating downgrades during the European sovereign debt crisis of 2010–12 were blamed by EU officials for accelerating the crisis.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_rating_agency
” BMI, which is owned by the Fitch Group, one of the three big ratings agencies, docked a couple of points from New Zealand’s score in its Short-Term Political Risk Index (STPRI), which measures a country’s political stability.
The accompanying report said New Zealand’s score had decreased to 78.5 out of 100, down from 79.4 – the lowest score the country has received since 2010. A lower score implies greater political risk.
This is Fitch Group…….
Launched in 2008, Fitch Solutions offers a range of fixed-income products and professional development services for financial professionals. The firm also distributes Fitch Ratings’ proprietary credit ratings, research, financial data, and analytical tools.
Criticism –
” The value of credit ratings for securities has been widely questioned. Hundreds of billions of securities that were given the agencies’ highest ratings were downgraded to junk during the financial crisis of 2007–08.[4][5][6] Rating downgrades during the European sovereign debt crisis of 2010–12 were blamed by EU officials for accelerating the crisis.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_rating_agency
THIS from Rimmer……..
” Seymour has been generally more open with media during the 40 days after the election than NZ First’s Winston Peters or National party leader and Incoming Prime Minister Christopher Luxon, but said he could not reveal more.
“It’s annoying to me too, I’d much rather reveal everything.”
“I’m really happy” about the agreement, he said.
“I guess I have two feelings, one, I’m very proud of what we’ve achieved, I think we’ve got a good team and a good agenda as a government.
You cant have a right wing government without good old fashioned political arrogance !
Damn Seymour is going to be the star attraction of how callous this administration is over the next few months…….or two years.
Can’t wait.
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