The Working Group Election Special: What went wrong for the Left with Moana Maniapoto, Matt McCarten and Damien Grant



TONIGHT: The Working Group Election Special: What went wrong for the Left with Māori TV current affairs host Moana Maniapoto, Former Labour Party Chief of Staff Matt McCarten and Libertarian Darth Vader, Damien Grant

Issue 1 – Labour – what the hell happened?

Issue 2 – Greens celebrate but have lost power

Issue 3 – Māori Party wins big

and Issue 4 – Where to now for the Left?

Next week we will review the Election for the Right with former National Party Leader Simon Bridges and ACT Leader David Seymour.

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  1. Compulsive viewing.
    Hopefully, in response to Point 4, the panel recognise there is plenty of fertile ground on the left for a new Working class party minus the identity politics.

  2. It’s like a trillion dollars of unfunded liabilities in the next 5 years upgrading roads, 300 billion, doubling base load energy with renewables 300 billion and upgrading the water works 300 billion and a hundred billion for everything else in the next 5 years.

    There’s 2 crucial policies moving forward doubling base load and including agriculture in the ETS so that those credits can be borrowed against.

    There is a fiction of fantasy that immigrants coming across the boarder that they’ll be plumbers, carpenters, doctors, nurses. In all likelihood they’ll be uber drivers or cleaners. This will be devastating for New Zealand.

    What I’m on about is encouraging self employment not employment.

  3. Luxon ruled out a referendum on the Treaty of Waitangi during the campaign. He’s ruled it in already:

    “…Christopher Luxon, who won government in a coalition with the right-wing ACT party, said he would consider holding a referendum into the treaty.”
    16 October, SkyNews Australia, titled “NZ could hold referendum on Treaty of Waitangi despite warnings of ‘civil disobedience’ over proposed changes to founding document”.

    That took long, didn’t it? Luxon has already annihilated a major promise – on the second day after the election – and the results of the election haven’t even been counted yet.

    • Do you remember when Jacinda went to the election in 2020 with policies including compulsory Maori representatives, 3/10 Waters & a racist Health Ministry…me neither

      Time to call the bluff of the Thugs Veto pronounced by Shaw & Tamihere the day after the election…& repeatedly mooted by Martyn on this blog

  4. A key aspect of Labour’s poor results in Auckland were the losses in Takanini, Maungakiekie, Roskill, New Lynn and greatly reduced majorities in Mt Albert and Te Atatu.
    These are electorates with a high percentage of immigrants who were once supportive of Labour but who have slowly turned against them. The Chinese community started to move away from Labour several elections back and this time it was the Indian community moving to National. (The Chinese community likely hasn’t forgotten Twyford’s blatantly racist ‘Chinky sounding names’ survey of house purchases.)

    Both groups have younger workers who want to get ahead in their new country. They resent that Labour has encouraged easy access to welfare. They noticed that the increasing numbers of people on ‘job seeker’ benefits have no real intention of actually seeking a job. They have also noticed that those on benefits are disproportionately Māori who under Labour kept receiving additional privileges that they, the newcomers, were expected to pay for through their taxes.

    Statements from Mahuta, Jackson et al, gave the impression amongst these new immigrants that Labour was turning the country where Chinese, Indians and other non-Māori New Zealanders would never have more than second class status.

    • And watch them all turn back to Labour under a right wing low wage economy. It happened before and it’s 100 % certain again.
      Anyone other than big business and farmers are second class citizen’s

      • If you weren’t so far down the rabbit hole escape looks very unlikely which is a great shame as you’d make a great comedian.

  5. Where to now for Labour?

    1) Labour is never going to out-green the greens.

    2) Labour is never going to out-Maori Te Pati Maori.

    3) Labour needs a constituency.

    4)Drop the identity shit and beg NZ workers for forgiveness.

    • Why just ‘workers’, why limit yourself so much, why ignore most of the country?
      The 2020 election clearly showed those who are tagged as ‘not labour likers’ i.e farmers, business and more are willing to vote for Labour as long as they see a benefit in doing so. Sure last weekend most probably didn’t but then that’s down to Labours track record or lack of as the case maybe.

      Now is the ideal time for Labour to reinvent itself to be fit for purpose for todays world. But will they?

    • About spot on.

      Labour has no constituency.
      The working class has reduced over time and Labours policies have drifted to target smaller segmented groups. As opposed to trying to reach the population as a whole.
      They could look at capturing the divide that has been opening up since early 2000’s – Asset owners (land and property) vs renters. We tax income very heavily. But we barely tax assets at all. The working poor are the fastest growing group in NZ. They are a large group with many smaller segments- but easy to target with policy via their common problem. A tax switch similar to what was proposed by “TOP” would be something they could try.

  6. Where to now for Labour?

    5) Ditch the student politicans/professional grifters and replace them with, God forbid, actual working people.

  7. Moana Maniopoto: Smart cookie, always on form
    Matt McCarten: Smart cookie, always on form

    Damien Grant: smart-arse cookie, desperate to appear to be on form. Recommended reading:
    TOO MUCH and NEVER ENOUGH (Mary L. Trump)

    Moana Maniapoto, and Damien Grant

  8. Our new leader, relligion not to be talked about, is taking the moral god stance, i will guide them, why im not a politician, my congregation are, who i shall sheppard.

  9. Labour, rebrand, they have tried many elections won and lost. How now for Labour, serious wake up, for the youth withing their ranks, inside and out, the next Nation election coming at you!s, learn from the farm fence ruin that they are going to create.

  10. Hen If “Outgreen the Greens” requires aping Marama’s hang-ups about real men, and Logie’s convincing government departments that men can become women and vice versa, and Chloe’s nights out at the Splash Club, and their selective historical amnesia, then you may be right. Ardern did make a start though, baking scones for a millionaire pop star, and flaunting freebie designer frocks, and befriending Meghan Markle, and telling the prols they didn’t need to eat meat, and hugging everwhere, and then she shot through, like they do. None of this helps the workers, let alone the children of the poor. New party needed pronto.

  11. Labour career path. Social work course or law degree, union job or party staffer, candidacy, the list.

    The candidate test ought to be – have done real work in a factory, farming, forestry or fishing (not just a fish & chip shop) and led a succesful strike.

    • Joseph. During his high school and university years, Luxon worked part-time at McDonald’s and as a porter at the Park Royal hotel. Not just a fish and chip shop BUT McDonalds!!!!
      Bob could learn humility but probably no chance of that.

  12. National career path… suck up to anyone in power, in business, federated farmers, Bretheren.
    Luxon is a multi-millionaire who owns seven houses, including a home in Remuera worth $7.68 million.[3][116] Luxon was apparently unaware of the total value of his properties until Newshub asked him about it directly.[116] He is the second-wealthiest Leader of the National Party in history, after John Key, with his combined property portfolio valued at more than $21 million.[117]

    Joseph, Bob, if you are not in a room already you need to book one from Luxon!


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