Five things we learnt during Lauren Dickason’s first week of trial
The trial of a woman accused of the murder of her three children has concluded its first week.
South African doctor Lauren Anne Dickason, 43, denies charges of murdering her twin daughters Maya and Karla, 2, and their older sister Liané, 6, on the night of September 16, 2021, in Timaru.
A Christchurch jury will have to decide if she murdered the three children in cold blood, or if she was insane at the time, or experiencing a “disease of the mind” as a result of childbirth.
I believe in certain circumstances, I could kill another human being.
I believe I have the capacity to kill another in self defence to stop them harming my family, friends, whanau, even strangers in the street.
Funnily enough I’m not sure I could kill another if they were attacking me, but a person attacking someone weaker than them or hurting my whanau, oh I can without a shadow of a doubt opt for the capacity to kill.
Knowing that about myself enables me to step into the shoes of others who find themselves in those circumstances and seek understanding.
However, I don’t know what the Christ to think about Lauren Anne Dickason.
Harming children is an abomination to me, there is no situation where I could harm a child, I have no understanding, no sense of empathy, no possible entry point into the horror she committed by murdering her own 3 daughters.
I want to believe she was so mentally unwell she crossed a line only the criminally insane can manage because the alternative is so much more monstrous, I just don’t want to contemplate it.
But it hasn’t been the Mad Murdering Mother that I have been focused on, there is a far more grim, far more bitter Court case occurring at the same time that manages to sum up all that is truly malignant and obscene in NZ and demands we ask questions of ourselves.
It’s a case that has frightened me, because while I am morally, ethically and philosophically opposed to the death penalty, I have never wished it so strongly on these two fucking maggots…
…I know, I know, I know.
I shouldn’t want their harm, I don’t want to feel so offended that their necks broken by hanging is all I want when I see their stupid blank bullshit faces trying to minimise the magnitude of repugnance for their abhorrence.
But I do.
Sweet Jesus forgive me, but I do.
These despicable pieces of filth tortured a teenager, forced that teenager to select their own death, stuffed the body into a drum and left it at a vacant state house.
Nothing sums up the wasteland of Aotearoa New Zealand with the vomit inducing gag reflex that the dreadful murder of Dimetrius Pairama…
Days after the body of 17-year-old Dimetrius “Precious” Pairama was found concealed in a rusted steel drum outside an abandoned South Auckland state home, a 16-year-old who had helped torture her and had helped to dump her body told a youth worker that she was having trouble with nightmares.
It was suggested she might find it easier to sleep if she wrote her feelings down on paper, which she did.
Those words were read to jurors today at her murder trial.
“The reason why I beat up Dimetrius is because she was talking shit about me,” the 16-year-old revealed via bubbly handwriting in a half page of uncompleted text. “She was telling the other girls that I’m ugly and I have a lot of pimples on my face.
“It made me angry [because] I would never talk shit about her or do anything to hurt her feeling[s] but I was shocked when I heard what she had been saying about me.”
The defendant, now 21 years old, has been on trial for three weeks in the High Court at Auckland – the final of three people who were charged with murder after Pairama’s horrific July 2018 death.
She has acknowledged she was one of four people in the Māngere house when prosecutors say Pairama was repeatedly punched and stomped, forced to disrobe and tied naked to a chair with soiled underwear stuffed into her mouth, burned on sensitive areas of her body with a makeshift blowtorch, had household chemicals poured on top of her, burning her eyes, and was ultimately forced to choose the method of her murder: hanging or stabbing.
Ashley Winter, then 27, and co-defendant Kerry Te Amo, 24, were found guilty by a jury the following year. The current defendant did not join the pair at that trial. She continues to have name suppression, as does a 14-year-old who also hit Pairama and served as a lookout during her hanging but was given immunity in exchange for her co-operation with police.
…to torture a teenager, to degrade them in this manner, to force them to select their death, to desecrate her body post death and to leave it at an empty State House just manages to give an insight to a feral NZ underclass that has mutated into something so cruel and ugly it demands amputation from society.
There are some whose actions remove themselves from humanity.
But I also know that suffering and punishment is no solution, that healing is the only real key, that rehabilitation and the abuser gaining insight to their horror and seeking a life of redemption for that wrong is the best we can hope for and need to hope for as we struggle to comprehend the atrocity that Ashley Winter and Kerry Te Amo were prepared so willingly and gleefully to commit.
To torture a teenager to death in this manner manages to eclipse the sin of a Mad Murdering Mother and forces us to ask questions about the society we have built where this was an acceptable response to a girl making fun of another pimples.
That such a pitiful excuse is viewed as a justification by these people is as terrifying as the act itself.
As citizens in a. liberal progressive democracy, we are called upon to fight for the best outcomes and policies even when we are disgusted by the inhumanity so many are prepared to wreck upon others.
A justice system that heals is the goal, even when all we want to do is sink our fists into the faces of these cretins to give them the exact same sense of terror they inflicted upon a teenager.
We are human for wanting that vengeance, but it is a revenge that is not ours to met out.
Justice requires mercy, even when the person breaking the law has shown none themselves.
A little girl was tortured, desecrated and made to choose her own death, dumped in a drum at an empty State House, all over a comment regarding pimples.
If that doesn’t force you to stop in disgusted shock at what our society is becoming, I’m not sure what else can.
Love, compassion and forgiveness can be our only tools here because there simply isn’t enough energy to sate the level of vengeance this case demands.
We can all agree on one thing, Dimetrius Pairama and those 3 little kiddies all deserved so much more than their short lives were cursed by.
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Well said Bomber – except there is so much ‘forgiveness’ in our legal system and it is not making a brass razoo of betterment. Lock Winter and Te Amo away, forever if necessary, not for vengeance, not for consequence (it is too late for them) – but to make sure they don’t inflict another heinous act upon an innocent. Then try and work out WHY our families are increasingly productive of such vice…clue-it ain’t poverty.
So Jason, you hint that you have a solution so have some balls and put it out there.
I disagree that poverty is not a reason but think it is only part of the reason.
I would add in Drugs, TV , Social Media, Racism, Education amongst others.
All of these can be encapsulated into failures of successive governments and generations to provide the environment required to nurture our population in the best possible way. Instead we have created a terrible society focussed on the survival of the fittest and meanest. This applies to all stratas of our society. Every level has those who believe they are fit to rule their level and they are generally the meanest.
UTC – I disagree with your excuses for this violent behavior (except perhaps education plays a role) – Poverty is correlative but not causative of crime. I believe it probably has more to do with family, fatherlessness and community – but I am not an expert, and I have balls to admit it but not sufficient arrogance to pretend I have a solution. We need to find some though.
The guillotine would do the trick.
Sure, but only if you have enough cops to round everyone up. (There aren’t.) But why are there places with virtually no crime at all?
I’ve always argued that reporting endless details of individual crimes is irresponsible, and also useless information. The public needs to know about the underlying social issues instead.
• Why were nearly all the mental wards shut down, leaving madmen out on the streets to kill people?
• Why was unemployment deliberately reintroduced after its abolition, providing street gangs and other cartels with an endless recruitment pool of desperate wretches?
• Why did the government support wars that dramatically increased the drug trade, even after Iran-Contra?
• Why does the government refuse to research potential effects of psychotropic drugs on violent crime?
• Why is the music industry openly promoting the glorification of criminal subculture?
• Why have people languished for decades in Guantánamo Bay without a proper trial, and yet nobody bothers to lock up known mafiosi, cartel men and street gang members?
Good luck finding reporting on any of those issues in the corporate press.
I’ve always argued that reporting endless details of individual crimes is irresponsible, and also useless information. The public needs to know about the underlying social issues instead.
Absolutely agree with this. But you know because some people have terrible backgrounds and make it through and people say ‘how come they made it’
Of course I know the answers to all of that.
Some people don’t deserve to be rehabilitated nor are they capable. They need to be removed from society permanently, whatever the cost.
Everyone deserves to be rehabilitated, once actually rehabilitated they’re no longer a danger to society.
And those who can’t be rehabilitated shouldn’t be treated inhumanely.
I am absolutely astonished at the comments in this post. If you then think these two young people should be put down, or banged up and the key thrown away, you are as appalling as them.
I have absolute compassion for Lauren and her husband. This is a tragic story, a woman who clearly should never have left SA where her support systems were. I remember the other case which happened in Otautahi 40 years or so ago. I am relieved to see her parents have arrived to support her.
Then I wonder how you feel about how our politics now sequestering foreign owned banks and vast private fortunes is harming Kiwi kids every day. Not good I’d imagine.
Our politics is entirely corrupt and most people I talk to either don’t really care or they carry their ignorance like a badge of honour, which, I suppose, is the same thing. Proudly dumb and terminally ignorant.
roger douglas deliberately hid within Labour while holding the minister of finance portfolio for two terms. Then, when his psychopathic gaslighting of Lange was complete he ditched the man who thought douglas was his friend and after gutting Labour like a fish, douglas left Labour to create ACT, a far right MMP party which clung to Dumbo Jimbo bolgers National Party. The farmers party. ( God help us all.)
It’s not the psychopaths we can see that we should worry about, it’s the benign cowards who can convincingly wear different skins, like roger douglas, who we should be forever on the look out for. They’re the real destroyers of children.
You, and you’re TDB crew, are the only one’s bringing the truth to we AO/NZ’ers so don’t let the bastards grind you down.
Mini Dean.
https://nzhistory.govt.nz/culture/baby-farmers/minnie-dean
Marlon Williams sings…
https://youtu.be/jjTBBXcjKaI
Was Roger also responsible for the Spanish Civil War and the sinking of the Titanic? Seems he gets blamed for every sin inflicted on man-kind in the past 100 years. Straight to the periphery…
It is a shocking thing, and I feel the same way. The other horror that we forget is that the interest in the Laura Dickason trial is because they were an middle class family living in pretty good circumstances, and those circumstances reflects the people who say buy the Listener, read the news and opine over climate change. Ashley Winter and Kerry Te Amo are not “us”, and so public interest in the circumstances of these people is less. We prefer to hide away from these people because it’s so awful and comes from circumstances most people who live in say Grey Lynn can’t imagine. A child is killed in their own home nearly monthly in New Zealand, and the interest in these cases from say NZ Herald and Stuff is minimal at best. Even 20 years ago, the mainstream media wouldn’t fear talking about these cases and trying to understand the circumstances. There is very little interest from the MSN today.
I did read all about the Ashley Winter & Kerry Te Amo trial and the torture and murder they perpetrated and ring-led. It was horrific and beyond belief that any humans could do that.
I understand that Winter, who IDs as a woman, is rightly housed in a male prison. I cannot see any extenuating circumstances to justify or excuse their behaviour – tho the woman on trial now was only 16 at the time. Nevertheless most 16 year olds are not so easily influenced by murderous torturers.
I have been following some reports of the Lauren Dickason trial because I want to understand how a mother can kill her 3 young children. So far, I don’t see evidence of insanity. She does have a long history of depression. Some of the circumstances and context are enlightening – definitely a family used to very well-off lifestyle (Dickason is reported to have been highly critical of NZers being scruffy, and rental houses being small and dingy). But, she had been longing to leave South Africa because she saw their lockdowns as being worse than in NZ, and then there were riots and blackouts in her area.
I will be interested to hear what the expert witnesses have to say – so far the evidence has been more anecdotal. Dickason does seem to have a fairly strong sense of entitlement, tho. She does seem to have been considering the practicalities of killing her children for a fair while. I was a bit shocked to read she had initially been self-prescribing anti-depressants, because it is legal to do so in South Africa.
My “interest” in the South African women’s trial is due to the defence of not guilty by reason of insanity. My professional work spanned some of these issues. But it is a shocking heart breaking crime.
Having read about Ashley Winter and his crimes once, I am unable to face reading them again. He is evil. May he rot in hell (and no Millsy, I am not a Christian)
I agree about the details of the Ashley Winter trial and don’t want to read them again.
I am interested in the defence of not guilty due to infanticide. I hadn’t heard it before and would like to hear more about what such a defence entails. Giving birth can take a major toll on a woman’s body & motherhood can be a struggle for many women. However, the way of killing the children looks to be pre-mediated and brutal: ie the use of zip-ties and the failure to kill the children outright.
So far, it looks to me that Dickason could continue to be in a secure facility for many years to come.
Her husband a doctor has a lot to answer for .He clearly took no action to get his wife into mental health care .I have a family member who suffered from the same illness I took it apon myself to get her into hospital for treatment .He should have been detained in NZ to answer these questions .He could not escape the country quick enough .
Whether a defect of sanity or character doesn’t really matter, the issues are the risk to the public and the type of rehabilitation required.
If we had a humane and compassionate corrections department with state of the art rehabilitation we could morally sentence everyone to indefinite rehab until safe. We could all sleep soundly in the knowledge that offenders are in the best possible place for them and for our safety.
The right just want to lock everyone up to punish/keep the public safe, the left just want to reduce prison time so prisoners get damaged as little as possible by our current bullshit system. No-one seems to care about rehab, and ultimately neither addresses the harm to society.
It has been estimated that 1% to 4% of the population are psychopathic (https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2021.661044/full).
Variation depends on the measure used.
In any event, know this: understand psychopathy, and you begin to understand why the world is the way it is. (http://www.hare.org)
No conspiracy theory. No ‘new world order’. No aliens. No well thought out master plans. No identity politics.
Just the worst of us, being enabled to wreak havoc by the ignorant and the lazy. Across all strata of society, in every walk of life, these monsters lurk. White collar, blue collar, brown, white, men women and children.
Immune to punishment. Immune to “wrap around care”.
The general population only has two options for psychopaths: incarceration, or you-know-what. Take your pick. That’s it I’m afraid.
Can’t sign on for the ‘You Know What” but do appreciate your dead pan take on Psychopathy. Ultimately let’s do all we can to protect society.. Plus the bottom line of EDUCATION..
Can’t sign on for the ‘You Know What” but do appreciate your dead pan take on Psychopathy. Ultimately let’s do all we can to protect society.. Plus the bottom line of EDUCATION..
Absolutely agree Gregory. Education as a first defense is essential. Teach our kids from a young age what the warning signs of these individuals are.
So much harm could be avoided.
@Countryboy – you’d agree with this, yes?
Idiotic. Teach kids that and the psychopaths in the class will disguise themselves to evade detection.
D’uh???
They already do In Vino. How do you think so many manage to fool examiners and their peers in attaining positions in law, medicine, business, politics? Or did you imagine all psychopaths were knife wielding cartoon types from an Alfred Hitchcock movie?
Who and what circumstances created these these emotionally stunted and sick monsters?????
That is where you will find your answers.
All we have to do is open our eyes and then talk about what is really going on.
The death penalty is indeed an option for these oxygen thieves.
Sometimes Shona they are created by circumstances and upbringing. Other times, it’s simply the unfortunate roll of the genetic dice. Some like to differentiate sociopathy (the former) from psychopathy (the latter) in that way. Whichever type of individual, if you are unfortunate enough to have one in your personal or professional circles, it’s bad news indeed.
There is evidence to suggest the necessary pathways in the brain, linking the prefrontal cortex to the amygdala, do not develop in these individuals. They remain forever like a 3 year, totally absorbed in satiating their own desires and whims. No fear of consequence. No concept of empathy or sympathy, and utterly incapable of EVER being able to understand or fell these normal emotions.
Truly, monsters. And they frequently gravitate in adult life to any position of power their social status permits.
And as we can all see, repeatedly, if they attain the highest offices globally, they can effectively drag the rest of humanity to the abyss with them. 🙁
Your are right the case of the accomplice in the torture and murder of the young girl is the most horrific crime and when I first read about it, I wished I hadn’t. Shocking and in this case I would support the death penalty for Ashleigh Winter. He should never ever be allowed out. He is evil
And yes he is a he and when the msm gaslight us by calling him a women HE identifies as a women), we must call them it. He is a man. An evil man.
As for Laureen whether she fits the insanity defence or not is likely to be hotly contested by psychiatrists. Huge sympathy for her husband
i have no sypathy for here husband as he knew she was un well and dragged her to the other side of the world away from her support net work
I have been following this trial as well and like you Martyn I wished we have the death sentence for this crime of torture and death. I also wish you had put a photo of lovely Demetrius in your article. The first day I read about this trial I felt terribly low and remembered her face, so young and full of life.
I believe there is much more to the background of this activity. I read that there were gang connections and perhaps there were badges to be made. Obviously, there was not a lot of brain power involved with the decision to dump her in an iron drum on the property with several witnesses to the torture and murder.
This is why I believe we should crack down on gangs, especially because they are not stand-alone entities, as in, we all go to the clubhouse to do what we do. Gangs infiltrate families, communities and whole towns with impunity and stupid us, for the last 50 years we have stood by and watched them get stronger and more influential. They want to be integrated into Society FFS! To the point where the government gives them financial support to keep doing what they are doing. Are we stupid or what?
The Timaru council recently smashed and destroyed a gang pad. This should be standard practice for anti-social people who do criminal sub-human activities. Smash them out and leave them with nothing until they learn to earn it by being contributing members of society. Of course we have to fix poverty and education for that to happen but hey, we have to start somewhere and we have the right to protect ourselves and society in general.
If there was no gang connection with this case, then where does this mindset come from where adults can pick on children and do that to them?
It is truly barbarism which we hoped our civilised ways had left behind but that is a vain hope in NZ.
Even if we did have the death penalty available, the Judge, under instruction from the Ministry of Full Prisons, would discount the sentence from death to 21 months, being under two years, meaning those two would walk away with 6 months of community service.
Yep folks, they would feel the full force of the law.
Agree Jase. It naive to think we can rehabilitate everyone. We can’t.
As for Ashley Winter. He should rot in hell
Ok I agree with that, but frankly I believe there are only about 200 people who should be in prison, the repeat rapists, murderers and pedophiles. Do people want to be pedophiles, of course not their brains are clearly wired differently. These people should be in civil humanitarian lock ups. Some of them probably for the rest of their lives, but then aren’t they actually mad, I mean mentally mad…
The rest should be working in proper supervised situations, growing veges doing all sorts of things. $100,000 per prisoner a year is absolutely nuts.
I have no interest what so ever in us returning to hanging, lynching, murdering, guillotining people no matter what they have done. If we do this we have no real humanitarian values, not our right to take anyone’s life.
Why does ‘justice require mercy’?
Because otherwise it’s no better than the criminals.
That reply makes zero sense. Everything a justice system does is ‘better’ than what the violent criminals do.
I can think of several justice systems throughout history that were worse than criminals. Suffice to say vengeance, cruelty, etc don’t belong in a justice system precisely because it’s the same behaviour we don’t tolerate from criminals.
You love things to be very simple, Ada.
Sorry, but I think that there have been many cases where a punishment has resulted in a worse crime, or later to have been found utterly unjust.
Life is not as simple as you seem to think.
Robespierre had a bunch of stuff sorted.
Madame guillotine .
Part Maori parents sadly kill there children often in this country…Not much is said because Maori are beyond criticism…We need to spend billions on some sort of department that looks after children and have some children’s commissioner , various do gooders, trusts, social welfare type departments employing thousands looking after our little kiddies as obviously some parents can’t…
Yes Te Waka – perhaps a very few people are born psychopaths, but behind most are dysfunctional families and shit parents. The vast majority of Maori are fantastic parents just as the vast majority of Pakeha are – but shit parenting often produces violent adolescents who grow into thugs and murderers. Until we understand why we have an increasing number of shit parents in this country and proportionally, (as Allan Duff points out), why we have a greater proportion of shitty parenting in our Maori populace then we will never get on top of crime, much less the ethnic disparities in our prison population. We shouldn’t be afraid to ask these questions – they are key to gaining some understanding..
Life should mean life for these two, preventive detention. Of course the judge won’t apply this, he will say they had a violent and impoverished childhood replete with deprivation blah blah blah. They then get a discount like it’s some sort of shopping flybuys. Contrast that with the defense for Dickason in court last week, who insisted that she was ‘a good mum who loved those kids’. Ghoulish, the lot.
I totally agree. Can not think of a worse case, even in the USA.
It is also horrifying some of the details, a police knocked on the door but she apparently did not ask for help, the police only found out because someone informed them and it took a while to find the body in a rusty drum in an abandoned state house.
Nobody seemed to care or notice the absence of this poor teenager who was apparently under Oranga Tamariki care. The teenager was essentially homeless, but state houses nearby are not being renovated and used in a housing crisis and instead became a place to torture and murder the teen.
The sadist murderers who then recruited some intellectually handicapped people to aid them in the torture and killing. Really, really, sick.
The ringleader was transgender, many years older, which makes it even more bizarre that Marama seems to think that there is only transgender love from men transitioned to woman – when there is an appalling example of a torture, sexual sadism and murder of a teen, right under her nose in NZ! Could she be that ignorant? Also not the only murderer in NZ who identifies as transgender. I point this out, because in order to make the best policy in NZ, there needs to be hard facts, not fake facts about how no transgender has ever harmed anybody, being spread by people in positions of power!
These two cases are also of where NZ is going wrong. The doctor who killed her kids was already on antidepressants before coming to NZ.
There seems to be this idea in neoliberalism it is easy to migrate, it’s not – most people can’t migrate successfully, but NZ doesn’t seem to care!
NZ already is woeful in it’s treatment of Kiwis with serious mental illness, it should be instant no, if an applicant for a visa has some mental illness. The change can trigger a full blown episode and then they fall on NZ’s hopelessly few mental health places.
A billion was spent on mental health by government but it seems pretty much nothing to show for it. They seem to favour ‘worried well’ types of funding, than actually serious mental illness help and placements.
We also had the axe attack in Albany by a Chinese national, then beach attack in the North Shore, etc, these people should not be allowed to come into NZ and those who seem to be having mental problems sent back to their home country, where presumably they were ok before, so the few mental places NZ seems to have, can be used for NZ citizens who need the help.
Depressed people are also able to get NZ residency based on mental health issues. It is crazy when NZ mentally ill, seem to be last in line.
Drink-driver who overstayed for 19 years dodges deportation due to wife’s depression
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300165188/drinkdriver-who-overstayed-for-19-years-dodges-deportation-due-to-wifes-depression
He is from Malaysia and his wife is from Taiwan, overstayed nearly 20 years but got residency, because she is mentally ill, he gets to stay! Great now all the health care and future care will be free on the NZ taxpayer!
They wonder why state house needs never go down!
I wrote down for myself some words that I think that I and all of us need to carry foremost in our minds: Respect: Be kind: Don’t diminish others: Affirm. But also we need Restraint: Principles (google ‘ethics’ Maori matatika)
But think about the effect of television and films we watch as if training ourselves for a harsh future event when we guillotine our heads in effect, and carry out sadistic behaviour remembered with blank minds and faces as shown in the image. Social media just feeds the grisly side of some of us (google Maori kino rawa) from where it can be aroused from its depths and it arises like Dracula. It happens so face it.
We are capable of a spectrum of good to evil but as in most detective stories, look for the money to show the way through the maze of our minds leading to the dark alley side in the spectrum.
Can we go back to Sir Kim Workman and see what he and others like him, have suggested for working with principles-dead young people to try and turn them round from a long lifetime of soulless existence? He is elderly but may like to have some input into a quickly implemented system. Such new system to start within a year with penalties for non-compliance to time and specifications; to work with those that have lost touch with their own and others humanity. https://www.bwb.co.nz/authors/kim-workman/
The two highlighted tragedies and the manifold cases virtually every week where ordinary people are ripped off to the extent of tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars, pale into insignificance compared to the anger and emotion roused when a group of kids steal a car and ram raid a liquor store at 3:00 am.
Infantise, yes, death murder not, twin, childes demands, running, megla, yes infanticies with malice, not , brain gone depression.
Whatever led to this the people involved need to be placed in a secure situation where they can never possibly act this way again to someone else. Not to be vindictive and they should be looked after with kindness and compassion and their abiities developed to have as fulfilling a life as possible within totally secure confinement. It is the future victims that need to be protected; not people who have demonstrated this level of capacity for destruction of other people.
D J S
This country is fucked.
All of it.
Her plea most likely relates to legal advice. Why own your actions when the law allows for alternatives. But at the end of the day the jury will have its say, and perhaps it will be contemplated murder.
It was contemplated from what I read. Perhaps motherhood wasn’t what she hoped it would be, coupled with the extreme stress of immigrating during covid. Wanted her life back. Lost herself in it all. Extreme choice though. She had support afterall.
She was super angry at her husband for going out and leaving her with the kids. Living the life she used to have. She didn’t really like being a mother. She liked the social status it gave her. Narcissist/ Psychopath. Murderer. I do not say that lightly. She obviously didn’t think it through (narcissist). Jail / mental heath facility for life. Bless the kiddies. They’re safe now
excuses will be found that would not fly had her husband committed the crime for good or ill there is an indisputable gender bias in our legal system
I feel sorry for all the whanau in this case, really, she was sick before they came to NZ and her whanau should have got her help she should not have come here until her health issues were sorted. Instead, her mental illness was ignored like it could just go away and now this has led to such a tragedy.
It wasn’t ignored. A psychiatrist’s letter was sent to the NZ Immigration Dept, saying she was OK on her meds. Though Dickason reckons she was off her meds by then.
From today in court:
https://tkr.ro/e/Ey0jTHRsm6GnDNfa
““She is able to function well despite her illness and has never needed admission to a psychiatric hospital.“
Dr. Dickason has never been a danger to herself or any other person”.”
I used to not favour the death penalty. Now I am not so sure. I worry that it would be too easily corrupted, a thin edge of the wedge scenario.
Now, I think we should offer the follow to these people. Take the pills yourself or be housed in general population for your sentence. No segregation.
Have to say I empathise Martyn. The problem with the death penalty is what if the wrong people/person is convicted? In this case however where there is no doubt whatsoever I would love nothing more than to run these two a nice warm bath and pop the toaster on. No it doesn’t solve anything but the thought of having to pay for a roof over the head of these two just does my head in.
Ashley Winter should be given the same treatment as the Chrch mass murderer. Virtual solitarly confinement. Rot in hell the both of you