Three wars in one. Which one is Ukraine?
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Three Wars in One
World War II was a war between the major imperialist powers of the day for a new redivision and carve up of the world’s colonies and resources.
World War II was a war against fascism, an extreme and aggressive form of capitalist exploitation, slavery, oppression, racist conquest and subjugation with mass surveillance and industrial scale mass murder of ‘undesirables’ and dissidents.
World War II was a people’s war for national liberation from imperialism and colonialism.
The Second World War was three wars in one.
An anti-fascist war, an anti-colonialist/anti-imperialist war, and a war of imperialist colonialist redivision of the world.
So which of these three types of war is the war in Ukraine?
I will argue here that the war in Ukraine is principally a people’s war fought for National liberation against an imperialist takeover by a hostile foreign power bent on colonial conquest.
Like the war in Ukraine the war in Vietnam was a war for National liberation from imperialism fought, first against the Japanese imperialists, then French imperialists and then the American imperialists.
During WWII the Vietminh fought to liberate themselves from the Japanese imperialists, like the Ukraine nationalists today the Vietminh were supported by the US who were also at war with the Japanese empire.. After the Japanese were defeated the French tried to reinstate their prewar colonial empire in Indochina. The Americans switched their support from the Vietminh to their French ally. After the French were defeated the Americans sought to take control of Vietnam themselves, and in their turn the American imperialists were defeated as well.
This is the power of people’s war. The Americans support for the Vietminh against the Japanese empire was not out of altruism, any more than the American’s support for the Ukraine nationalists today fighting against the Russian imperialists is out of altruism.
Ho Chi Minh became a communist in the 1920s and launched a revolution back home in the 1940s after the Japanese occupied French Indochina during World War II. Again, he looked to the US for help.
Agents of the OSS, the Office of Strategic Services — the precursor to the CIA — were parachuted into the jungles of North Vietnam in early 1945 to make contact with him; in fact, a US medic helped nurse him back to health from dysentery and malaria.
The initial US intelligence assessment of Ho Chi Minh was that he was more nationalist than communist and was an acceptable partner. So, the US provided him with weapons and training teams to help teach his Viet Minh guerrillas how to fight.
After the Americans withdrew their support for the Vietminh the Vietnamese successfully sought support from the Warsaw Pact and the Soviet Union who supplied the Vietnamese with the weapons they needed to defeat the Americans. The Soviet imperialists who were in a cold war with the American imperialists never supported the Vietnamese out of altruism either.
Adolf Hitler – (Peace Activist)
Hitler’s speech after Germany’s invasion and occupation of Poland in 1939.
“A state of no less than 36,000,000 inhabitants… took up arms against us. Their arms were far-reaching, and their confidence in their ability to crush Germany knew no bounds…” Adolf Hitler, October 6, 1939
Sound familiar?
Swap the word ‘Russia’ for the word ‘Germany The exact same lie that Ukraine is the aggressor out to ‘crush’ Russia is being spread by Kremlin propagandists, and believed by Western self titled ‘peace activists’.
Hitler then offered the olive branch of peace to France and Britain. He condemned war as an enterprise where all participants were losers after enduring millions of deaths and billions of lost wealth….
“My chief endeavor has been to rid our relations with France of all trace of ill will… I have always expressed to France my desire to bury forever our ancient enmity… I have devoted no less effort to the achievement of Anglo-German friendship… To achieve this great end [of peace], the leading nations of this continent will one day have to come together in order to draw up, accept and guarantee a statute on a comprehensive basis which will insure for them all a sense of security, of calm – in short, of peace…. Adolf Hitler, October 6, 1939
Sound familiar?
It should. Here is another so called ‘peace activist’ saying almost exactly the same thing.
“I am against sending any lethal arms there. It prolongs the war. What is the goal?…..This is mad”
And what now? Our governments, our Consuls, our businesses, we need every link possible to say: There must be a cease-fire and people beyond the warring countries will be brought in to negotiate settlements. THE KILLINGS MUST STOP.
Lapdog of the Western Democracies
Just as modern pro-war peace activists believe that Ukraine is a proxy puppet of the West, in the same speech, Hitler accused Poland of being “a lapdog of the Western Democracies”. Adolf Hitler, October 6, 1939
Why did Germany invade Poland?
Why did America invade Vietnam?
Why did Russia invade Ukraine?
Imperialism
Understand that one word, and you will know why Germany invaded Poland, you will know why America invaded Vietnam, and why Russia invaded Ukraine.
Understand that one word and you will also know why the climate boundaries of the planet as well as national and international boundaries are being over run.
In regards to the Russian Federation invasion and war in Ukraine, you will never hear the word imperialism pass the lips of the pro-war self titled ‘peace activists’.
Finally;
In 2010 have traveled in Syria with the Kia Gaza aid convoy I witnessed the monstrous Assad regime close up. This is the regime where the Russian imperialists have a large military base and where the Russian Federation partnered with the Assad regime have committed genocide against the Syrian people for wanting liberation and freedom from imperialism and colonialism.
This is what awaits the people of Ukraine if they succumb to Russian imperialism.
Pat O’Dea is a trade unionist and human rights activist.
If your argument has any validity it is that this is a war by Russian people for liberation from tyranny imposed over them by an ethnic clique from the west of a territory named Ukraine.
And it’s okay for Russian liberators to kill children, is it?
Proof please.
Through the looking glass darkly.
“A state of no less than 36,000,000 inhabitants… took up arms against us. Their arms were far-reaching, and their confidence in their ability to crush Germany knew no bounds…” Adolf Hitler, October 6, 1939
Just as Hitler claimed that Poland was the aggressor and Germany was the victim.
Repeating Kremlin chauvinist war propaganda verbatim Nick+J does the same switcharoo.
“….this is a war by Russian people for liberation from tyranny imposed over them by an ethnic clique from the west of a territory named Ukraine.” Nick+J
The illogic of imperialism.
According to Nick;
The aggressor is the victim.
Ukraine is not a country.
Ukraine is the territory of Russia that is being invaded by Ukrainians and liberated by Russians.
Russia is not bombing Ukrainian cities, but bombing Russian cities.
Nick likes to parrot Putin’s words. In fact a new moniker is born – Putin’s Parrot!
Nicky wants a cracker.
Very well said NickJ.
The article reads like an instruction not a comment.
You love those dead Ukrainian kids, eh? Morally bankrupt, much?
Proof? There’s plenty of proof of Ukrainians shelling civilians for 8 years. That seems OK for non thinking types. Is that OK with you?
“…There’s plenty of proof of Ukrainians shelling civilians for 8 years.” Nick+J
Actually there isn’t.
The truth hurts eh Pat? Stop being lazy and do the research.
You prove that Nick J! And Pat is right. You can’t!
Hi PhuD, keep dreaming. Ask mum to turn out the lights.
Front up or shut up Nick.J!
Pat is going to cop a lot of trouble for going against the Russian Empire and its followers on this blog site, all of whom see the world as America bad/America’s opponent good.
Or, Russia is North Vietnam, and Ukraine is colonial South Vietnam, the militarised proxy against the “domino” – Nato-fuelled into Russpohpbes and Nazi revanchists (instead of “moderate muslim rebels).
You’re right that the country fighting for its souls and existence will win. you’ve just got your nose too close to the screen and can’t see which is which. The US has been run and educated by psychopaths for decades now, the Iraq invasion was the first step of its downfall, the world is only just bearing the fruit of its ruin. Time is up the Psychopaths actions have forged Putin, Russia and the Global south into a vast majority willing to oppose them.
Ok Pat, cool story. Now give Ukraine some nukes, right? Then we can finally end this war.
In 1994 Ukraine signed the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) and voluntarily rid themselves of all their nuclear weapons, to become nuclear weapons free.
Not so the Russian imperialists, which maintain the world’s largest stockpile of these ghastly genocidal weapons of mass destruction and threaten the world with their use every time they get a setback in their attempted conquest of Ukraine.
For the purpose of clarification Pat Ukraine alluded to the fact that they were willing to break the said treaty which is of concern to Russia due to Ukraine still having the know how to produce Nuclear weapons.
MUNICH SECURITY CONFERENCE:
” Ukraine will have every right to believe the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all package conditions of 1994 have been put under question Zelensky continued”
Your second part is also factually incorrect “threaten the world with their use every time they get a setback”
Russian has clearly laid out the circumstances for their use and does not have a first strike policy unlike the US.
Laying out you Nuclear doctrine clearly is not threatening, simply facts. What is clear is the use of depleted Uranium shells that has a nuclear component and is a Russian red line.
“….Your second part is also factually incorrect “threaten the world with their use every time they get a setback”
Russian has clearly laid out the circumstances for their use and does not have a first strike policy…” fingrinn
Factually factually incorrect.
The Russian Federation reserves the right to the first use nuclear weapons in the event of a conventional forces invasion of Russian territory.
Since the Russian Federation considers parts or the whole of Ukraine ‘Russian territory’. It is very clear that Putin reserves the right to first strike if Nato forces enter the parts of Ukraine that the Russia Federation claims as Russian territory. And possibly even if Ukrainian forces enters the parts of occupied Ukraine that the Russian Federation claims is now Russian territory.
“….the Russian Federation’s State Policy in the Domain of Nuclear Deterrence—that specifies two conditions under which Russia would use nuclear weapons. The first is unsurprising: “The Russian Federation retains the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear weapons and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and/or its allies…” But that sentence ends with an unusual statement:
“… and also in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is put under threat” [emphasis added].
https://thebulletin.org/2022/03/read-the-fine-print-russias-nuclear-weapon-use-policy/
Russia has no wish or intention to conquer Ukraine Pat. They want to stop Ukraine from victimising and slaughtering ethnic Russian people in the Donbass and they need Sevastopol as it is their only all season port.
They will not go beyond what they have to to secure the safety of the people in the regions that have voted to join Russia . They don’t care who is in charge in Ukraine as long as they remain or become neutral militarily, and don’t host American nuclear missiles on Russia’s border.
D J S
“Russia has no wish or intention to conquer Ukraine Pat.” David Stone
You need to tell it to Nick+J at the top of this thread. Nick is of the view that Ukraine is not a country but a territory of Russia, a view he shares with the Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin.
“I am confident that true sovereignty of Ukraine is only possible in partnership with Russia. For we are one people.” Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/putin-claims-ukraine-is-not-a-country–history-begs-to-differ,16863
You pro-war trolls are all over the place. You really need to get your act together and coordinate your lame excuses and crappy justifications for Russia’s brutal invasion and imperialist war of conquest in Ukraine.
“They don’t care who is in charge in Ukraine…” David Stone
What a load of bullshit.
In the March peace talks in Turkey last year, the Russian negotiators said they could not agree to stop the war until Ukraine had been “Denazified”
‘The Denazification of Ukraine’ is no less than the Kremlin’s term for regime change.
In practice the so called ‘denazification’ of Ukraine can only be achieved, by toppling the current democratically elected government of Ukraine, and the forcible installation of a pro-Russian occupation administration.
Pat, read more history. It was your Marxist brothers who created this mess.
You Nick J have no right to tell Pat to read more history when you don’t read any yourself.
If I am wrong I challenge you to name the books on Russian and Ukrainian politics and history that you have read and name authorities in the field.
I’ll bet you come up with nothing. Then we can prove that you are nothing but hot air!
The pro-war lies and bullshit and justifications for the Kremlin’s brutal imperialist aggression and invasion just keeps on coming.
“They want to stop Ukraine from victimising and slaughtering ethnic Russian people in the Donbass..” David Stone.
Maybe instead of just brainlessly parroting wild pro-war propaganda you could put up, some testimony or evidence. A link perhaps?
How about a witness testimony to camera?
Maybe the name of the town or street where these alleged atrocities happened?
You won’t Dave, because you can’t. Because there is not the slightest evidence to back up any of your imperialist pro-war bullshit.
Wow, you think these are fiction?
Try Odesa 2014 for a start. THere’s plenty of video.
Then go through the Ukrainian legislation by the coup regime and the language of their leaders – basically making Ukraine a “little Israel” purging Russians like Palestinians.
Then go through the OSCE reports about the Donbass. It’s all there.
You are so woefully uninformed to be mouthing off like this.
“you think these are fiction?
Try Odesa 2014 for a start. THere’s plenty of video.” Paul
Yes it’s fiction. Actually “fiction” is too polite a word. It is complete and total bullshit.
Paul you need to Put up a link to your alleged, “plenty of video”. Or look like a complete tool.
It is not in the OSCE reports at all Paul. Who are you kidding? As Pat says your take is complete fiction!
What’s more the Donbas separatists are still detaining three OSCE inspectors! You obviously haven’t read the reports.
Firstly thanks for the time spent to address my little comment Pat.
Secondly though I have to object to being labeled a warmonger . I am certainly not; and the fact that you feel the need to argue your case that way is disappointing coming from a military analyst who one would assume had an objective approach to the issues.
I do accept that Russia cares that the neo nazis do not rule Ukraine and that removing their influence on the Ukraine government is one of their objectives in this action as they have stated. Also I admit that just what form “denazification ” will take is not obvious. But at least it is Putin’s view that a truly democratic government in Ukraine would not have been anti Russia . The stance of Zelenski on which he was elected in a landslide was not either; in fact he expressed a desire to get along with Putin and Russia well into his term . Clearly he has not been able to enact the ideas he was elected to develop . Perhaps because he had it explained to him that if he did so he would be hung by the neck until dead from a tree on a particular street that i forget the name of in central Kiev . He is after all a native Russian speaker himself.
In the matter of where i get my information from and the lack of references or on the ground observations , any one who has been using the internet widely to try to understand what is going on in Ukraine and why has had ample exposure to the points i have made. It is true that every argument and almost every claim made on the subject is diametrically opposite to claims made by the other side. For instance Sky News on Ukraine war claims the Russia is loosing more soldiers than Ukraine in Bakhmut than Ukraine by a ratio of 7 to ! , while
Alexander Mercouris states the exact opposite ratio of losses. We are all left in a state of having to work out for ourselves what seems most probable having been paying attention to the world events and how different actors have behaved over the time we have been paying attention, and of course what benefits might accrue to those individuals
by those events.
Time will reveal the truth of some of our differences of present opinion but probably not all. Also gust how involved USA and Nato finally get in this war will greatly effect how far Russia needs to go to secure its safety and integrity. So far the West has done nothing but greatly increase the death and destruction to Ukraine and Ukrainians.
All that was needed was to ensure that the Minsk agreements were put into place.
The most unusual thing about this war that makes it newsworthy to us is that was initiated by a power other than one of our western allies ; other than the USA in fact. The next most unusual thing about it is that it has been initiated against a country that has some capacity to defend itself, and the third is that it is not being completely enacted as an arial bombardment whatever lies below.
D J S
DJS you are another Putin Parrot!
If I needed reminding that NZ has lost the people needed to be able to discuss real political issues in a logical fashion, with actual facts that can be demonstrated, rather than just supposition based on second/third hand gossip, then this article, and the accompanying “comments” did that for me….
Why is it so hard for so called “intelligent” people to keep a rational perspective regarding the FACT that since the fall of the Soviet, NATO has broken every undertaking it promised to honour regarding their dealings with a newly minted Russia… Every… Single… Agreement made has been broken by a US controlled NATO..
Does the prospect of a line of missile batteries placed along their border within minutes of Moscow not give them the right to be nervous? Does the fact that what was done by the CIA in Ukraine is being done in Kazakhstan not give the right to acknowledge that there is a deliberate plan in place to permanently hobble them, to the point where they would end up becoming in thrall to the “New World Order” that the USA leaders have been working towards since WW2?
For such “intelligent” people as NZers like to preen themselves as, this is rank stupidity, based on nothing more than bigotry, hubris, and a telling lack of reason.. This is how we make way for the next attempt to develop a truly intelligent species on Earth.. By removing ourselves from a stage we don’t have the talent to occupy…
While I agree that the USA is not to be trusted Russia under Putin is probably worse so how do you decide if there is a good side?
One one hand you have the imperialist USA with their endless wars and color revolutions with estimated deaths of 30 million and then there’s Russia.
There’s a clear historical timeline of Russia raising concerns about Western imperial aggression since at least 2008 People like Pat enjoy gaslighting Russia.
There lots of blogs and sub-stacks covering the issue and numerous ones link to Western media sources including Western reports on the atrocities in the Donbass by Human rights watch and the OSCE, NBC and CBC documentaries on the Ukrainian Neo Nazis, (2014 on-wards) the Western overthrow of the Ukrainian government in 2014 and the racial discrimination laws in Ukraine as well as the government murders of opposition politicians and corruption.
It’s all there to see, you just have to be brave enough to challenge your pre conceived views of western “Democracy” and it ain’t pretty.
“….how do you decide if there is a good side?” Bonnie
You ask the people.
Ukraine;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgmKygmkqSA&ab_channel=RadioFreeEurope%2FRadioLiberty
Russia;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miU0KoteLDs&ab_channel=TheRealNewsNetwork
Cherry picking again.
And what sweet cherries they are.
We don’t get to decide.
You don’t interfere, you don’t intervene.
You don’t start coups or putschs and try to tell countries who to trade with or talk to or make deals with, and you don’t bribe and promise those countries to do things that threaten their neighbours and make bad relations with their neighbours.
Unless you’re Pat and his friend the USA and its vassals. Then you do all that and more, and when there are consequences, blame everyone else.
You are not exactly demonstrating your intelligence here Stefan. You give an unbalanced view of the situation and claim the higher ground! How infantile! And cynical!
You obviously know nothing about Russian history or politics.
Pat why don’t you spell it out? Who are the ‘modern pro-war peace activists’ you hold in contempt?
Code Pink perhaps?
People who call for ‘negotiations not escalations’ perhaps?
People who expect Ukraine to roll over and be taken over by Putin’s Russia. That’s who Lois.
First off Lois, I don’t hold them in contempt. That’s a particularly loaded term. I just think they are simply wrong.
The quote that I used comparable to Hitler’s, was written by someone called Marie Venning, whose byline is Christchurch Peace Activist. I have no idea who this person is. But I was struck by her quote now that Putin has occupied a large part of Ukraine, by how similar her quote was to Hitler’s after he had occupied Poland.
Driven by need for perpetual economic growth and expansion Russia has invaded Ukraine. But infinite growth on a finite planet is unsustainable. Not only is infinite economic growth on a finite planet the cause biosphere collapse, it is the root cause of all modern wars. Biden accuses Putin of being an imperialist. Putin accuses Biden of being an imperialist. They are both right. Collapse or expansion is the iron rule of capitalist economy. But not once does Marie Venning mention the word imperialism, which shows she has no understanding of the underpinning exigencies of this war. And why the Kremlin thinks that the invasion of Ukraine was an existential necessity.
But despite all this, this is still a war of choice for the Kremlin, they could have decided to reorganise their growth economy to become a more fairer more equitable more environmentally sustainable steady state economy. Russia is not facing an existential threat, the capitalist kleptocracy that rules Russia is facing an existential threat.
“..In 2010 have traveled in Syria with the Kia Gaza aid convoy I witnessed the monstrous Assad regime close up. ..”
Please elaborate.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/4051192/Kiwi-aid-heads-to-Gaza
Kiwi aid heads to Gaza
DAVID TAURANGA
05:00, Aug 24 2010
RIGHTEOUS STAND: Kia Ora Gaza, a six-member team of Kiwis led by Mangere stalwart Roger Fowler, will join an international convoy attempting to break Israel’s blockade around the Gaza Strip and deliver humanitarian aid to the people of Palestine.
SIMON WATTS
RIGHTEOUS STAND: Kia Ora Gaza, a six-member team of Kiwis led by Mangere stalwart Roger Fowler, will join an international convoy attempting to break Israel’s blockade around the Gaza Strip and deliver humanitarian aid to the people of Palestine.
PEOPLE power got nuclear warships banned in New Zealand waters and Roger Fowler’s hoping it will win the day for the people of Palestine.
The long-time campaigner and Mangere fixture is leading Kia Ora Gaza, a six-member team of Kiwis joining an international convoy of 500 vehicles that will try to deliver humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip next month.
Israel and neighbour Egypt have run a blockade around Gaza for three years, allowing only a limited amount of humanitarian aid into the area.
The blockade has been condemned around the globe with world leaders such as British Prime Minister David Cameron even comparing the Gaza Strip to a prison camp.
The latest convoy will be the fifth and largest organised by London-based Viva Palestina in the past 18 months.
On May 31 the last convoy of six ships attempting to break the blockade was stormed by Israeli commandos. Nine civilians and workers died.
“Israel’s attack on the peace flotilla was totally outrageous – it was a huge tipping point for many people in New Zealand and around the world,” Mr Fowler says.
“But the attack brought the blockade to the world’s attention and helped show that Palestinian people are living in dire straits.”
Mr Fowler acknowledges Kia Ora Gaza’s involvement with the convoy is controversial but believes the bulk of “fair-minded New Zealanders will rally behind us”.
Kiwis have a good history of making a righteous stand over issues of justice, he says.
The team leaves for London on September 14 and will begin its five-week journey four days later.
The 500 vehicles will leave in three groups from London, Doha and Morocco. The plan is to meet in northern Egypt then attempt to cross the border into Gaza from Rafah.
Twenty-five Kiwis volunteered for the convoy and the six chosen represent different sections of New Zealand society, Mr Fowler says.
“We chose solid people who would be able to handle different situations and able to work together. Five of the six have families, there’s two young students, a mother with journalistic experience and a photo journalist.”
Also included in the team is Mr Fowler’s 25-year-old son Hone who lives in London and works with at-risk youth.
The convoy will be made up of civilian volunteers but communications, medical and security teams will be attached to it.
There’s some nervousness about safety but that pales in comparison to “the plight facing the Palestinian people”, Mr Fowler says.
And there’s security in the convoy’s size and the media’s glare, he says.
“It’s not a peaceful area and with so many unknowns there are levels of anxiety. But they are not on the radar compared to the possibility that our little contribution may help.”
If the convoy is not successful in ending Israel’s seige, larger convoys will be sent “until something has to give”, he says.
The team is now trying to raise $100,000 to cover the cost of vehicles and humanitarian aid as well as its travel.
Realistically it’s been a 10-week campaign for a venture that really needed 10 months to raise the money required, Mr Fowler says.
Kia Ora Gaza has the added burden of getting the team to the other side of the world and back again.
“We do have a public appeal for financial support and have received tremendous offers of donations and support.”
See http://kiaoragaza.wordpress.com for more information about Kia Ora Gaza.
Sure I could elaborate, but it would take a post of its own. I’ll have to get back to you.
Today I have to catch the 11:56 train to Penrose for a meeting at the First Union office in Onehunga.
Watch this space.
Pat I asked a simple question. Who are the “modern pro-war peace activists”? Name some.
Stephen Cohen in his 2019 book War with Russia? writes of the ‘new McCarthyism’ ..one just does not question the line of Russia evil end of story ..we saw this all of last year..Chomsky said he’d never seen anything like it
It is not for someone in NZ to say that Russia is not facing an existential threat. We should try to understand why the Russians think they do.That’s called diplomacy.
Russia experienced millions of deaths in WW2 . Yet Gorbachev agreed to approve of the reunification of Germany provided NATO did not move “an inch” closer to the Russian border. He was lied to. Gorbachev disbanded the Warsaw Pact, expecting NATO to be disbanded as well.
There is too much to say in a short column. There are often helpful articles in consortiumnews.com There are books that talk of the role of the US..of Victoria Nuland especially.. in the 2014 coup.. The US has a first strike nuclear policy..The US is the only country in the world to have used a nuclear bomb on a civilian population,,and this was when Japan was surrendering.
One should read what Jeffrey Sachs has to say about the situation in Ukraine,,what Medea Benjamin has to say ..
and we should be seriously discussing the NORD STREAM 2 SABOTAGE exposed by Seymour Hersh. WHY THE SILENCE?
A cease fire must be called..negotiations must begin..the RISK of a NUCLEAR confrontation maybe by accident , maybe by a misunderstanding, is frighteningly REAL
You read the wrong sources Lois Griffiths. How about less confirmation bias?
If you have a top down view of history, you don’t understand history.
“Gorbachev disbanded the Warsaw Pact,…” Lois Griffiths.
Like hell he did.
The people of the Warsaw Pact countries disbanded the Warsaw Pact. They did it unilaterally, and without regard to any other powers. Gorbachev was left with no other option but to make the best of it. He may even have made claim to being (partly) responsible for it. He wasn’t.
When Ronald Reagan went to Berlin and stood on a podium to say “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!” It was already being torn down by the German people. Reagan had as much to do with tearing down the Berlin Wall as Gorbachev did. Which is to say that neither leader had anything to do with it.
You may say Ukraine should surrender to Russian imperialist aggression because of Russia’s enormous nuclear weapons stockpile.
If Putin ever used a nuclear weapon from this stockpile on the Ukrainian people, the Russian people would tear him a new arsehole. And no military force on Earth could stop them. And Putin knows it. Nixon came to the same realisation when he was contemplating using nuclear weapons on North Vietnam. The American people would have torn Nixon to pieces, and not one stone would have been left standing on another at the Whitehouse.
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB195/index.htm
What is the most important thing in the world?
He Tangata, He Tangata, He Tangata!
So why were no arseholes torn after Hiroshima, Nagasaki?
And whats changed?
“So why were no arseholes torn after Hiroshima, Nagasaki?
And whats changed?” Francesca
This question occurred to me also.
The total secrecy around the Manhattan Project plus war time censorship of the bombings itself, probably had something to do with it.
Initially not many people were aware of the true nature of nuclear weapons, imagining them to be an enormously big conventional bomb, not dissimilar to the bombs that had been falling on European cities for the previous five years, except in magnitude.
The Americans secrecy and tight censorship of any reporting of the full horror and devastation in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, prevented full knowledge of what had occurred in Hiroshima and Nagasaki from being known. The reality of nuclear weapons was first revealed to the world after the American journalist John Hersey managed to get past the US occupation military cordon and into Hiroshima that he was able to bear witness and report back. It was only belatedly that through the work of journalists like Hersey and others investigation and reporting, often in defiance of the authorities, that the true nature of nuclear weapons was revealed to the world..
Today there can hardly be anyone on the planet who isn’t aware of the full horror and nature of nuclear weapons.
The nuclear bomb is a weapon of genocide.
The Legacy of John Hersey’s “Hiroshima”
Seventy-five years ago, journalist John Hersey’s article “Hiroshima” forever changed how Americans viewed the atomic attack on Japan.
August 20, 2021
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/john-herseys-hiroshima-1946
The Black Reporter Who Exposed a Lie About the Atom Bomb
Charles H. Loeb defied the American military’s denials and propaganda to show how deadly radiation from the strike on Hiroshima sickened and killed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/09/science/charles-loeb-atomic-bomb.html#:~:text=Beverly%20Deepe%20Keever%2C%20a%20professor,1945%2C%20a%20month%20after%20Mr.
The use of nuclear weapons is a crime against humanity.
No power on Earth could stop the Russian people dragging Putin out of the Kremlin and hanging him from the nearest lamp pole, if he used a nuclear weapon.
It’s another US proxy war. That’s all there is that you need to know.
We’ve been here before. About 283 times since 1947.
“It’s another US proxy war. That’s all there is that you need to know” Tane. Male. Not Female Woman
You don’t need to know very much
There’s always more to learn.
Here’s a list of all the wars deemed to be proxy wars, starting with the war by Egypt to liberate themselves from the Ottoman empire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proxy_wars
The interesting thing to learn is that almost all these so called proxy wars were also wars of liberation fought by a colonised people fighting for national liberation. What makes these wars of liberation ‘Proxy Wars’ is that the national liberation forces fighting the colonial power get support from an international rival of that imperialist power. This Foreign backer is usually an imperialist power themselves. They are not giving support to the national liberation forces out of any feelings of altruism. But to seek some advantage for themselves.
The Vietnamese wars of liberation against the French and then the Americans are listed as ‘Proxy wars’.
The underlying cause of all these wars is imperialism and the desire of colonised people and nations to free themselves from the occupier.
The war in Ukraine is no different. The Ukraine Russo of 2022- ’23 will one day wind up on this list as a proxy war, I am sure. But first and foremost like all the other proxy wars on this list the war in Ukraine is firstly a war of National liberation against an imperial power.
Please try not to let your head explode by learning something more than you thought you needed to know.
Here’s a question for you, Tane.
Would you have opposed the Egyptian people, colonised by the Ottoman Empire, because their revolt against the Ottoman imperialists, got support from the British and French Empires?
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