I don’t think we have fully appreciated the corrosive radicalisation post Parliament Lawn protests mixing with toxic masculinity Incel culture and the alienation of men.
The ongoing decline in quality of life for men also has to put up with being told men have all the privilege and power in society.
This juxtaposition between the alarming social stats of young men…
…Woke Dogma states ‘B-E-L-I-E-V-E ALL WOMEN that ALL men are rapists.
We have raised generation of women to fear every male while raising a generation of men who fear being accused of rape.
Alongside these grim stats is the argument men have privilege which has led to a poisonous toxic masculinity that spawns incel hate algorithms with a violent misogyny.
The beauty of social media is that it is unforgiving and we are all now unforgivable. Outage Olympics fuels resentment and the most dangerous part of identity politics is when white men become the victim.
Tell young men they are the problem long enough and they become the problem.
Are here comes that twisted mutated problem…
‘Glorifying the Christchurch mosque shootings’: Teen keen to replicate mass killing in NZ
A man was found in possession of, and found to have distributed, the Christchurch mosque shooting video after leaving “alarming” threats with Youthline that he was going to “kill humans”.
Some of those “humans” who the then 19-year-old Nugi Reeves had threatened, were those who worked at Youthline, telling them he was “sick of killing animals and was going to kill humans”.
That would lead police to his house in June last year, where officers discovered two different videos from the 2019 shooting that claimed 51 lives.
Reeves appeared for sentencing in the Hamilton District Court today on four charges; two of possession of objectionable material, one of distributing that material, and another of threatening to kill Youthline staff.
The court heard, Reeves rang Youthline, a national helpline for youth, on June 3, last year, leaving them “alarming” messages.
He added he was interested in replicating a mass shooting in New Zealand and that he had access to guns.
The next day police searched his Hamilton home and found his cellphone that was used to send the messages. Officers seized his computer, along with a replica handgun and bullets.
An analysis of his hard drive revealed recordings; one of the 2019 Christchurch Mosque attack and a copy of the Anarchist Cookbook, both of which are classified as objectionable.
…and this one…
An Auckland academic says the attempted murder of two schoolgirls by a man who claimed he was lashing out because he’d never had a girlfriend is the biggest incident in Aotearoa’s extremist space since the New Lynn terror attack.
The drink driver, with previous fantasies of killing others, purposely swerved his vehicle to hit two schoolgirls at an Epsom bus stop — pinning the strangers against a brick wall.
Caleb Reilly Bell, 26, told police after the 50km/h pedestrian crash that his actions came over the perceived injustice of him never having a girlfriend and that others were happy when he was not.
University of Auckland senior lecturer Chris Wilson told the Herald it was significant because such attacks occur often overseas and it was the closest thing to an incel attack New Zealand had experienced.
…and this one…
Teen who planned Auckland terrorist attack targeting non-Muslims sentenced to prison
An Auckland teen who, after years of isolation and online radicalisation, took steps to plan a local terrorist attack that he hoped would kill 20 to 30 non-Muslims has been sentenced to two years and five months’ imprisonment.
The North Shore resident, now 21, sat in the dock in the High Court at Auckland today nodding as Justice Rebecca Edwards declined his lawyers’ request for home detention at the conclusion of the lengthy name suppression and sentencing hearing.
The judge pointed out that journal entries obtained by the police indicated that on three occasions the defendant had left his house intending to carry out attacks, including a time when he brought a kitchen knife to a hockey game but lost his nerve after encountering people who were nice to him.
“It was the kindness of strangers that stopped you that day,” the judge said. “But … you were well down the track of acting on your plan.”
…we are seeing alienated angry young men attempting to commit terrible violence to express their insignificance, their jealousy and their misplaced entitlement.
I fear we are now in a culture loop of violence that can not be broken thanks to social media.
Men feel alienated, the woke scream, men become more disengaged, internet porn robs intimacy, women start becoming far more picky in terms of earning power and educational level of potential partners, men blame women/society for their insecurities and personal failings, men commit terrible violence as their fuck you to a society that only cares about male pain when it explodes.
Add in the culture of feminist vengeance fantasies building since the 2016 METOO movement as highlighted by Emma Clifton at Stuff…
Is 2023 the year of female rage? We’re here for it
Whether its in protests or pop culture, the rise of female rage is palpable – and powerful.
…Emma’s gagging for feminist vengeance, and lists a long line up of new pop culture shows where the tables are flipped and women get to live out their revenge fantasies out against men…
Back in 2017, TV producer Ashley Lyle read an article about a planned remake of the iconic novel Lord of the Flies, only with all girls instead. The idea was laughed at – females just weren’t capable of that kind of primal anger, it was argued.
Ashley told the NY Times that one of the most memorable pieces of criticism she heard was, “What are they going to do? Collaborate to death?” and her immediate thought was, “You were never a teenager girl, sir.” Well, that idea turned into Yellowjackets, the hit TV show where a group of teenage girls are stranded in the wilderness after a plane crash and slowly start fighting, killing and – it’s heavily implied – eating each other.
It became a hit with both viewers and critics, with season two arriving on Neon shortly. It is… not for the faint-hearted.
Soon, we will get a new version of this young female rage. The Power, a mini-series that will arrive on Amazon Prime Video on March 31, is the television adaption of the best-selling dystopian novel by writer Naomi Alderman. It is – quite literally – electrifying stuff, telling the story of how females worldwide suddenly develop a ‘skein’ that allows them to channel electricity, which ends up causing a total shift in global power. The gender roles of both power and fear are quickly reversed; suddenly it is men who travel in packs on their way home in the dark, who fear the strange woman in their midst.
…the die is cast, the new cultural battle lines forged.
Those who had ‘privilege’ won’t and those who gain ‘privilege’ will immediately use it for revenge.
It’s like the end of Game of thrones when everyone realises true equality is when the Mother of Dragons can butcher and destroy as well as any male.
My fear is some full blown Incel coward will commit a terrible atrocity against women and by then the desire to criminalise young men will be a crescendo.
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Ironical timing, as yesterday was International Women’s Day, when twitter and news media was full of the official government and corporate celebration of women, and their potential, everywhere in the world.
Also yesterday, RNZ’s in-depth investigation program ‘The Detail’ reported on the growing threat from InCels…
womens day was originally a soviet holiday I belive ada, are you turning red?
Ask Martyn and he’ll tell you every day in the Soviet Union was a holiday….
And I’m beige, never Red…
Ada. Ha ha.Meghan Markle says that she had to be beige to fit in with the institution which she wants to destroy, and not everyone’s buying that either.
The Soviet Union was a huge diverse conglomerate which birthed passionate independence movements with much blood and tears, but without Russia’s tragic human sacrifice, European Nazism, may not have been halted in its tracks, so let’s not trivialise these issues, more so with the everyday terror now ongoing there and in Ukraine.
The Soviet Union was vastly different from being just Russia, and the Soviet fight against the Nazis was far more than just by the ethnic Russians.
How/why did you bring up Ukraine, which is very much the Russian Empire rebuilding itself, not the Soviet Union fighting amongst its distinct parts?
Post reads a bit lopsided imo. Reads like a ‘poor me’ of lost virility. Young men and young women have ego issues that tend to mellow in time. We’re just not all popular or desirable – that’s just reality. There’s always going to be disturbed individuals. It is factual that men hold the overwhelming majority in violence statistics. Men could learn a lot about taming their egos from women. So there’s two sexes who experience life differently. Don’t make it a power division. I loved Yellow Jackets, with our very own Melanie Linskey. Great to see more women on screen in this genre. Get over this “poor men’ nonsense already. Life is hard for all of us.
Poor wee Incels eh…well lets see, were a few things predicted that might have bought this scenario to fruition?
Well yes they were actually, namely neo liberalism atomising the more collective working class into individual consumers–winners and losers–junk food has not been kind to many either.
Full time work became precarious and contract work, so a lot of these savage fantasists are on the bones of their proverbial or living with parents in their 30s when previously they would have been independent with self respect. Post modernist philosophy replaced materialist philosophy so now any thing can mean anything! Unions were busted so it was harder to defend previous working class achievements.
From my observation a lot of males operate on the three Bs–Banter, Bravado and Bullying–which apart from my staunch political mates and is why I generally prefer female company.
Sure the joker in the pack from the mid 00s has been social media, anyone that can navigate a screen can be abused and has platforms to abuse others.
As many old feminists would agree, this is a subject that needs discussing, and hopefully stopping the fire before it burns out our cultural structures capable of improvement and replaces them with mere ashes. Women wanting better treatment from society have not been served by strident, autocratic, middle class professionals often (or influenced by their teachings) pervading and oppressing all women not sharing their views.
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maybe men need to do some work on themselves.
Says the eunuch.
Maybe we shouldn’t write off those men that society deems to be less worthy.
Put it this way, lots of women expect to date Prince Charming, unfortunately most of the women themselves make the ugly sisters look like Cinderella
Maybe society should encourage both men and women to do better for themselves? Just an idea aye
Lol. That sounds like woke talk.
Lord of the Flies was all bullshit anyway. Read Rutger Bregman on a later real-life incident, in which a group of Tongan schoolboys were shipwrecked and spent their time …. having fun: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months
Young men in the USA aren’t getting into long term relationships because:
> The welfare system promotes solo motherhood, to the great detriment of society.
> The laws around marriage massively favour the woman. In divorce the husband loses his house, access to his children, and must pay to support forever. 85% of divorces are initiated by women.
> It’s cheaper to rent by the hour. LOL
maybe ‘toxic masculity’ is a catch all and meaningless term…let’s try ‘toxic incels’ or ‘toxic rightards’ rather than using a general pejorative….afterall we don’t put up with pejoratives about other groups
Agree – there is an approach of catch-all description that confabulates the seriousness.
For instance, touching an arm is not assault in any shape or form. Constant touching is though, harassment, and something to be complained about as serious . And it doesn’t mean that it is between different sexes; it is just as concerning when same sex touching and rubbing? is done. Now, person to person – seeing there are in-between genders. And I feel that Georgina didn’t do this; I don’t think so, but I don’t know about her habits.
subtlety and irony have disappeared from our lives in NZ..GW
The propaganda wars. It doesn’t work but just ramps up the sense of victimisation and violent reactions on all sides.
How about we listen without entering a pain-based Special Olympics with teams competing via hyped rhetorical slogans and worse.
You know, authentic dialogue.
Very true Martyn. Although, I will make the point that at least one of these dudes is catching a charge that is absolute nonsense.
Mr. Reeves is probably not a fun guy I would want to hang up with, his phone pranks lack the real humour that comes from doing them with friends, and he did have material like the mosque shooting video that is genuinely objectionable (though really no worse than say Leon Uris’s ‘Exodus’ or the newsletters Juliet Moses puts out). But the ANARCHIST COOKBOOK? Let’s read the censor’s decision on that work, back in ’94 (although, I don’t think this was actually available of the censor office’s site until this year).
“Chapter 1 describes two techniques for the cultivation of marijuana, gives advice about how to purchase LSD on the black market and how to make LSD in the laboratory.”
Oh no. How is disgusting objectionable filth like ‘Outrageous Fortune’ or ‘Breaking Bad’ allowed to be circulated? Did the Police check for that on his hard drive as well?
“Also described in detail [is] the use of… cough syrup”
That’s right folks, COUGH SYRUP. Time to ban all of Lil’ Wayne’s songs where he promotes the use of ‘lean’, a cocktail of cough syrup and some disgusting American soft drink.
“The title to Chapter 2 is “Electronics, Sabotage and Surveillance”. Many of the activities described are illegal. For example, “If you’re going to get into shop lifting in a big way, check out all its aspects. A large store located near a big subway offers a great means of escape, especially in the rush hour, if a chase develops.””
Oh no! Not shoplifting! This is basically like gunning down a building full of people.
Ironically, the censors never mention the notoriously bad recipes that the ‘cookbook’ provides for explosives or ‘napalm’, which are far more likely to get the experimenter killed as anyone they might try to target.
This:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/485632/expert-s-concern-after-attempted-murder-of-auckland-students-closest-to-an-incel-attack-nz-has-had
Don’t forget that generally women bring up the males in society who if they were in a caring loving healthy minded family will be able to find a woman that fits their interests and culture, feelings and ambitions. But if mothers are forced out to work when they need to be home to nurture their youngsters, from toddler to young adult (25 years for maturity still prevails), then th children have less chance to be socialised and won’t be good consumers if that is all the bloody drivers in charge of society care about. Mothers also need to be socialised by doing a bit of work in the community or part-time job, so they are good role models and have self-respect. Boys won’t get respect for women seeing their mothers being bashed or sworn at, or if they allow or encourage it.
I think that helping kids learn about their own mentality, understand and respect themselves, and then do so with others as part of school curriculum is more important than a lot of what they are taught. Discussions about things that are happening in the world and learning how their minds can be played around with by the internet and television particularly, rather than films, ais important. The state having family camps when parents both have to be involved, with a monetary reward of child allowance to bring in the ones only reacting to money. Prepare the kids for the disillusions they will have when their illusions actually develop into expectations. And see that well set-up individuals rise above, and make more plans and find what will make them happy.
Try reading a wide range of books, discuss. Try some classics and more than spy and murder. I have just read a moving book by Nicholas Monsarrat, beautiful study of men under pressure and how naval men can develop a great fondness for their ship which holds together under fire and bad seas; how can you care about an inanimate thing? Well humans can – discuss. And women why do they dress up, and colour their faces and hair, and then say they do that to please themselves? Surely that’s a lie men would say. Discuss.
Words showing confusion from Jim Croce. Who directed to – the government, the moralists, the women agitators, the men who can freely visit prostitutes. The women mentors who mouth critical words at males who have never hurt any woman physically or been abusive. Who, what?
Jim Croce 1943-1973. A bright, thoughtful fellow who doesn’t as most others do not, deserve to be vilified as males, disparaged for not being female.
“Which Way Are You Goin’?”
…Say you love the baby,
And then you crucify the man.
Say you love the baby,
And then you crucify the man.
Every day,
Things are changing.
Words once honored turn to lies.
People wandering
Can you blame them?
It’s too far to run
And too late to hide.
So now you turn your back on,
Everything that you used to preach.
It’s let him live in freedom,
If he lives like me.
Well your light has changed,
Confusion reigns.
What have you become?…
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jimcroce/whichwayareyougoin.html
Croce died in a plane crash in 1973. A number of musicians succumbed to this. Was that an example of low regulation – free market systems that lacked safety effectiveness? Was it in the USA?
Graduating in 1960, he studied at Malvern Preparatory School for a year before enrolling at Villanova University, majoring in psychology and minoring in German.[5][6] Croce received a Bachelor of Science in Social Studies degree in 1965. He was a member of the Villanova Singers and the Villanova Spires. When the Spires performed off-campus or made recordings, they were known as The Coventry Lads.[7] Croce was also a student disc jockey at WKVU, which has since become WXVU…
We lost a good musician there, and I think a good man, but there are others!
” blame …. society for their insecurities and personal failings”.
Isn’t that the normal symptom of all the victim groups? Shit, may be men are the real victims here?
Any correlation between the theory that all men are toxic and are being left behind in schools, who are predominantly educated by females and the rise in popularity of Jordan Petterson?
The world needs strong men, like it or not probably everything you touch today, your car, the roads you drive, your washing machine, your house, was designed and built by men. But we’re told not to celebrate that… It’s BS.
Is it any wonder men are turning their backs on society?
Women’s expectations on men are unachievable for most. Ask a female what they want in a man. Six figure income, over 6 ft and looks like Brad Pitt. Yet, what are they bringing to the table? You can deride them all you want, call them Incels etc but what they’re telling me is that screw that I’ll go my own way.
BTW I’m a married gen X, who have helped a few young men recently, who have been bordering on suicide and this is what they tell me. I won’t tell you exactly what they tell me, the language maybe too coarse, but young men are having a hard time of it.
Just a reminder, they’ve been told all their lives “women can do anything” and they’re never mentioned.
boys ARE falling behind in schools bg
I watched with concern after seeing what my daughter was being taught at her all girls school in Wellington. I tried to give her some balance but the message is broadcast loud and clear and history lessons were really social studies where topics were the suffragette movement, US civil rights in the 60s, NZ women’s movements and of course the TOW – it will be even more skewed now that the new Maori centric ‘history’ curriculum is in place.
Government controls the education syllabus, they should be promoting balance not division.
Daniel. Agree 100%.. Hang onto your books, it’s a start. The Education Department prioritising gender issues over and above education fundamentals may be the questionable outcome of capture by the PC woke brigade at best, or at worst, it’s a continuation of the deliberate dumbing down of New Zealand society.
Rewriting history to the detriment of one ethnicity is divisive, pernicious, and damaging, and it can be seen here as akin to Mao’s cultural revolution which destroyed so much historical and social good in the Middle Kingdom. The Real Estate Institute’s retraining camps in Tauranga, is a neat example of a scenario which has been acted out in government departments for a while now, and is being extended into the universities to such an extent that academic freedom and freedom of thought may be vanishing instead of being nourished.
My Hons research essay from decades ago, wouldn’t make if past the gate keepers of today, and making it Treaty compliant would be impossible, as the ToW bears no relevance whatsoever to the subject matter. You’re not the only parent concerned about what’s happening in the school system, and it’s one of the reasons why parents are turning to home schooling. Not all parents have that option, and not all parents are particularly cognisant about what’s happening. As usual, it’s the children whose young lives are blighted.
Daniel. Bear in mind that this has been going on under the eye of the PM, as Minster of Education, and it is his deputy, Sepuloni, who decided to axe the Commissioner for Children, and replace the Commissioner with faceless backroom penpushers from that same contentious department.
the problem daniel is your fair and balanced is my rightwing culture wars horse shit and my fair and balanced is your commie indoctrination….
when people say balanced they mean ‘my viewpoint’
Want to get a girlfriend? Hit the gym, everyone can do that, get clean and get your money right. And most of all. Don’t give woman free attention.
Reason why woman say all men are rapist, cheaters or whatever is because they think that the portion of guys they choose to sleep with us representative of all men. And learn how to fight. It’s not enough to know how to throw a punch you have to know how to take a punch. That’ll give confidence.
Ain’t going to learn that in school.