The Reserve Bank is driving up interest rates and is the only one in the world to proclaim proudly that its goal is to induce a recession and drive up unemployment.
The Reserve Bank is also directly responsible for the surge in inflation that New Zealand has suffered. This is because they have become a sub-branch of the US Federal Reserve Bank and carried out an inflationary programme of money printing to prop up the banks and broader financial system. (Check this warning I made two years ago for proof Printing money to save the power and wealth of the 1% is just stupid)
Billions of dollars were given directly to banks in NZ which was then onlent to property speculators and property prices were driven up 30% in one year.
Banks now have so much money that they are keeping tens of billions of dollars on deposit at the Reserve Bank. The Reserve Bank must pay the banks the ever-higher official cash rate in interest on the deposits they hold. The Reserve Bank created the money, gave it to the banks, and now must pay interest on it to the banks. This is voodoo economics which will cost the Reserve Bank about $2 billion in interest this year. (See “Reserve Bank not keen to make banks help cover cost of money printing”)
There has been no apology to the people of New Zealand for the monetary madness.
The Reserve Bank policies will also ensure a crash in the property market in the coming few years. At the moment everyone is watching house prices which have only fallen modestly so far. Two more important numbers that signal the crash to come are probably the collapse in the number of sales with reported sales in October down by 35% since last year and the leap in listings by 75%. This combo foreshadows lots more pain to come.
People of New Zealand or people in New Zealand? Do the mass immigration Ponzi madness next 😉
Seconded
already happening. Someone has to come and live in the 1 million dollar plus empty houses when 50% of people working in NZ are on close to minimum wages and will never be able to afford the totally unsuitable houses that have been built by often cash labour in the construction industry.
a fair amount of the cash labour is NZ tradies snz
Yep but now people are coming around and wanting cash for jobs that are going up to tens of thousands. Quite different from $100 cash that you used to get. And the people doing the cash jobs that are NZ tradies are probably in charge of their own labour rather than being bought in and paying to work in NZ through slave ‘easy’ NZ visa traders. They have known about it for more than a decade and made it easier and easier to for the slavers to make money off NZ visas for low waged/fake jobs/tourism and study visas.
cash in hand is still cash in hand snz
ironically known in the north west of england (or was) as a ‘doing a foreigner’ I belive a reference to cheap as shit german labour in UK building pre-WW1….also said to be the origin of ‘jerry built’
Yep, I’ve lost count of how many times a month I get people asking if I do cashies. Can say that I have NEVER gone around hunting for work.
and do you do them standalone and more importantly do you declare them?
With a bit of luck too, it will be the mother of all crashes. If it isnt then the War in Ukraine will suck us in deeper and we’ll go down with the West in another pointless war.
And the newly minted mortgage owners bitch’n about their payments going up by thousands a month because interest rate are skyrocketing.
Boo fuckn hoo! Who thought that it was a good idea to buy in a appreciating housing market??
There will be a lot of bargains flowing into the housing market in the next 12 to 18 months!
Along with Auckland Councils FireSale of Billions of dollars of Assets! Its looking like a rich man’s paradise to go on a spending spree. Houses! Buildings! Golf courses! Airport shares! Land!
This is what Labour has achieved in 5 years! Set everyone up for a managed Crisis, Poverty Trap!
On one hand they want to increase unemployment to curb inflation and on the other National says it wants to get more people employed.
Cant have it both ways Luxon!
Or is this just to get reactionary voters to vote right?
Just stop treating the unemployed so poorly if a certain percentage of them are needed to curb inflation.
Considering nearly half of them are disabled, it really goes to show you how poorly the disabled get treated here.
Perfect timing for next year’s election.
Housing price drop a great vote winner for Labour.
In saying that, why is this even an issue?
Housing is just one form of investment, why does it get more exposure than say someone with 100s of thousands of dollars in shares when shares drop?
Is it because it is the right for everyone to own a home, not just the wealthy?
Anyone thinking house prices dropping will win the opposition votes is delusional.
Not sure you are right. What you say is logical but I think even now with declining house ownership numbers, the amount of people who own houses is greater than those who don’t?? Certainly, even though we all know the prices need to fall heaps, NZers with houses still feel most comfortable when their houses are worth more as it is the only asset most NZers have which can be liquidated ie: Most are sitting on money and shares.
So those people always vote for higher prices. Over the last 20 years +, home owners have strongly voted for the govt who allows prices to rise.
In the early 2000s – 2008?, there was a push on from various lefties to get Helen Clarke to ease up on all the stuff like tax relief for investors and mortgage deductability etc to slow the rising house prices, (prices doubled then too). At the time, the presence of investors in the market was estimated to add 37% to the cost of a house for ordinary NZ home buyers.
But the lady was not for turning because she perceived (quite correctly although IMO rather immorally) that to do so was electoral suicide. And it has remained that way ever since. If home ownership drops below 50% then all bets are off).
The increase in house prices made everyone who had one feel rich so they spent .Now prices drop they feel cheated so they are angry and they blame the government .zThose wanting to buy fear that the price will go down further so hold of buying so those clipping the ticket are all poorer as well so they blame the government.Those wanting or needing to sell cannot sell so they are angry as their live is on hold and blame the government. The GST on all these transactions drys up so the government is poorer.
I may be prejudice but I cannot see a plus in this property slide for this government
people put their money on a horse and it looks like it might be lame…..tough titties for the gamblers.
You only make the loss in perceived value real, if you sell. So unless you are forced to sell, by moving or being over extended financially (you gambled money you didn’t have on the assumption that interest rates would remain low, while house prices could only go up), you just sit on your investment, maybe increase rents to cover increased debt costs and play the long game.
Also if you have capital free, then it can be advantageous to buy more “investments” while the prices are lower (I would say low, but they are still ridiculously over inflated).
The big losers are probably people who bought their first home at the peak, and are now saddled with big mortgages, negative equity and rising interest rates. So much for buying a house to have a stable home to raise a family in. Hope neither partner loses their job (to control inflation), otherwise that would really upset the apple cart. But as you say Gagarin, tough titties you gamblers.
You’re not wrong.
I’ll never forget a friend about 15 years ago telling me about how much she lost on her house when they moved from Auckland to ChCh because of her husband’s job. She said she’d lost $150K and I was like, you mean you sold your house for $650 K??? and she said oh no, its just it used to be worth $150K more than it is now because of the recession. I was a little surprised so I just said ‘Just as well you are moving to a cheaper area then!’ They got to live in a gorgeous house for 7 years and paid it off a bit plus made about $150K on top. And she believed they’d lost money!!
People really do see these inflated prices as theirs. This is what happens when you start seeing your home as an investment. We’ve been in our house ten years and I have never had it valued. What is the point? It’s my home.
I doubt house prices going down are going to help Labour – more likely the opposite in particular higher interest rates for those in debt!
There is a plot of land for sale near me. Plot of land as the structure on the plot of land is burned down and no good for anything.
The ‘owner’ wants 500.000 for that plot. The GV for the land alone is 129.000. Houses in this area go for around high 300 to low 400. Fairly fair for a decent plot with a three bedder.
That is your main issue. Overpriced houses/plots don’t fall in value as they never had these values to begin with. Values are based on house sales in the region, the councils loves them sales as it allows them to increase their rates based on artificial value.
The only real value any plot/house has is the one that you can resell your property for.
For those that thought that a GJGardern shitpile with three bathrooms, two lounges, four car garage and no land to begin with is worth a million plus, well it sucks to be you cause you got suckered in.
And that is the issue, innit, that people really believe that they deserve the big house, the fancy kitchen, several bathrooms and a garage big enough to put a two bedroom grannyflat in it, rather then just looking at a smaller modestly build house with less trimmings and maybe only a carport. So they buy big, and now they own big.
Funny thing is, we have the highest level of university educated people since the first universities were opened in the World some 1000 odd years ago. Yet, they all bought these expensive shitters and never one did anyone take the ‘what if route’ and engage in some risk assessment. Maybe higher education is really not all that good and certainly not of high quality.
RB, the bit you missed here is how much money is going out on those plots so they can be developed.
We are sitting on a potential double section, it is in the plan but not subdivided. We do need to do a bit of work on access and services but we have been quoted between $110 and $150K to get it to a saleable point. All the fees and reports are sky high including the council’s. Its no wonder property costs so much if permitting and basic services are so immense.
We sat on it as a retirement potential but I doubt we will ever have the money to do it now. (Not that I am complaining, I know how lucky we are – merely commenting on the reality out there).
Yep, you’re on a winner Fantail. When we can’t afford veges and fruit you’ll be sitting pretty.
Tall poppy syndrome much. Aptly named one.
smug as fuck syndrome fantail
There’s always plenty of pain if you are not a ten percenter.
I’m not sure we have inflation just because we have price rises (to explain better than I can https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2022/11/18/the-danger-of-circular-thinking/)
What is more concerning is collapse of demand due to energy disruption which flows from the sanctions on Russia and an existing world shortage of diesel . Oil prices will probably go through the roof short term triggering a deflationary depression. Fun times.
The next winter is going to be a cold one, that is for sure.
The poor already know how to live poor, its the rich who you will hear cry a river when things start to bite, look at all the noise they made when we all went into isolation and demanded hand outs
the ‘rich’ will not give a fuck,
it is the middle that will suffer.
as I say the middle class is mad for voting nat who want to destroy them and small business.
House prices need to crash by around 50% .
Investors are relying on the Natz to gain power and reboot the craven ponzi.
Your 50% drop @ Blazer is probably closer to the mark. On the house I bought 20 years ago even with that kind of drop I’m up some 60% on the purchase price. A fair gain for 20 years, taking into account maintenance? I bought it as a home not an investment, other than to cite the obvious that housing is the best investment one can make, so it makes no difference to me as long as you’re selling and buying into the same market. You’re right again. Just a ponzi scheme and most have their snout in the trough. Not the least local councils.
I actually think House prices need to fall closer to 80% from peak. But the issue is? How much can they fall? We still have a housing shortage so there is demand unless everyone legs it to Aussie which may be a possibility (I know several lates 20s and 30s who are). But i assume we would have to grow immigration which will mean the same demand.
Also, I note, estate agents are pricing houses locally on rebuild value! The house 4 doors down is up for sale, it has a granny flat so was of interest to us. So the local agent based the price on rebuild value (meaning it was a couple of hundred above what we could do) and explained that’s what everybody was doing in the area as no-one knows where the market is at so cost of construction is a determinant of price (except where people are desperate I guess).
Agreed.
Other than the desparate, and there are always those; Divorce, death, bank foreclosure, most won’t sell their house for less than rebuilding cost (Insurance companies do a good web based calculation for that), plus land and improvement, minus fair wear and tear.
Eventually that has to be the ‘support line for sale price’.
When house prices were rapidly rising and people were getting rich overnight some on this platform were calling for a capital gains tax .If they had won would those losing money be able to claim a tax rebate ?
I don’t think you understand how CG tax or tax in general works.
no because what you paid historically is not what you pay today trev,
Might need to revive the Mc GillyCuddy party??
At least they were serious /s
House sale volume down by 35% Please spare a thought for the newly unemployed real estate agents!
The median NZ wage is $56,000 The world wide recommended ratio of house price to income is 2.5 lets round it up to 3. The median house price in a NZ with fair affordable housing would be $168,000. The actual median house price is $825,000.
So wages need to inflate by a factor of 5 or 6 or as you suggest a housing crash but not of 50% in fact 80%. Neither of these scenarios can be allowed.
All the new houses actually made the house and land prices soar upwards – because they did not work out the problem is not the house prices as there are set costs to build a house, but low NZ wages and more and more people who are on cash, in the black market/crime and underemployed.
mc mansions for investment are not housing…it’s that simple we continue to pretend we live in US suburbia we need to live in vienna.
“Neither of these scenarios can be allowed.”
They’re possible and they can be allowed, but they won’t be.
Agree 100% the government engaged in voodoo economics with the Reserve Bank and the banking industry.
“The Reserve Bank created the money, gave it to the banks, and now must pay interest on it to the banks. This is voodoo economics which will cost the Reserve Bank about $2 billion in interest this year.”
During the insane boom in 2021 Jacinda stoked the FOMO by telling us that she wants house prices to rise slowly (even after they had gone up 40% in 9 months) as its what kiwis expect. She caused this mess.
YES, Toadstool! She caused all of this mess. A majority parliament absolutely wasted. She is responsible for all that’s not been remediated or improved on her shift. She is toast.
MC
Comments are closed.