Italy has its first woman PM – yay progress, oh wait.

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Giorgia Meloni Wins Voting in Italy, in Breakthrough for Europe’s Hard Right

Italy turned a page of European history on Sunday by electing a hard-right coalition led by Giorgia Meloni, whose long record of bashing the European Union, international bankers and migrants has sown concern about the nation’s reliability in the Western alliance.

Results released early Monday showed that Ms. Meloni, the leader of the nationalist Brothers of Italy, a party descended from the remnants of fascism, had led a right-wing coalition to a majority in Parliament, defeating a fractured left and a resurgent anti-establishment movement.

Italy has elected its first woman PM – unfortunately she’s so far right first she’s almost touching Mussolini.

So much for identity.

Italy was recently rated 3 out of 5 for chances of recession as its exposure to Russia bites.

Italy is the economy to watch if Eurozone debt pressures build again…

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“If you look at their political program and they end up doing what they say they will, there will be massive fiscal expansion,” said Axel Botte, global strategist at Ostrum Asset Management.

Throw promised tax cuts into the mix, and the public deficit would soon “run foul of previous commitments towards the EU,” Botte said, advising clients to remain short on Italy.

…the economic pressures will create more societal tensions and Meloni’s win mirrors the rise of the hard right culturally in the West.

MAGA in America, Truss in Britain and ACT was barely a 1% Party until the woke middle class activists started the free speech fight in 2018 and it’s bloomed into a 10% Party with hard right policy today.

If the Left are incapable of materially changing poor people’s lives and instead are focused on cancelling people for breaching woke dogma and virtue signals, we are going to lose these voters to the Hard Right.

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  1. “Hard right” = not the left.

    Sounds extra dodgey if the quasi fascist origins of the party are mentioned, at least until we examine the slave owning origins of the American Democratic Party and perhaps realize times change.

    Agree that the woke are creating a backlash, they are the biggest polarizing force in politics.

    • The shift in alignment of the Republican and Democrat parties is well documented.

      Anyway, you just revealed to me that you want abortion and being LGBTQ criminalised. Anyone who supports the Italian PM-designate, is by extension an enemy of the LGBTQ community, and in opposition to people living their lives the way they want to.

  2. Homosexuality, abortion and transgenderism will be outlawed in Italy by the end of the decade. You heard (or read) it here.

  3. “Because when I am only a number. When I no longer have an identity or roots. Then I will be the perfect slave at the mercy of financial speculators. The perfect consumer.”

  4. I endorse the last paragraph wholeheartedly. Whatever it takes to get rid of the pestilence of the current LP, spoken as an ex-member.
    Martyn I know you are left wing-blooded and it’s in your DNA but sometime you are going to have to look at alternatives.
    Doing the same thing, getting same result, insanity. I appreciate your insights but the left isn’t what it used to be.
    How come all our commenters seem to be able to highlight the problems but there are no solutions?
    We have been hoodwinked, captured, trussed and screwed. Are we helpless? Really?
    I think we need some right-wing action to enable chaos. From chaos comes order.

    • Well said Magit.
      Reminds me of the Bob Jones era the book of the Labour Government achievements since coming to power,blank pages.

    • Thoughtful of you to take time away from laundering drug cartel money and share your views. I thought you would have been too busy seeing you cant import desperate brown Climate Chaos refugees to work shit conditions and minimum wage for you anymore 🙁

  5. Le Pen, Truss, and now Meloni should be put in the same box (category) as Margaret Thatcher–they are filthy monetarist, authoritarian, right wingers with populist patter but no follow through whatsoever for the working class intended. Just like the MAGAs, they talk a tough game for those damaged by neo liberalism, but in office turn out even worse.

    That someone like Meloni achieves office and is a woman, should be lamented not praised by anyone with half a brain.

    Why the fuck some people willingly vote to damage themselves even further is mysterious at first, but the old reasons are still there.
    –aspiration, I wannabe rich too…
    –last place aversion
    –othering–racism, sexism etc. prevents unity among the working class
    –individualism has overtaken collectivism
    –social democratic and union centres gone soft i.e. neo liberal
    –massive ideological hegemony via social media

    Time for a union and hard left come back before it is too late. Fuckers like Truss & Meloni will crash Europe faster than Climate Disaster the way things are going.

    • Italy is under a budget straight-jacket regime. 150% GDP debt and associated debt cost – the EU limits budget deficits, and the EU expectation they bear the cost of migrants … .

      The mainstream centre-left did not challenge this regime and the comedian was not allowed to (EU instruction to a complicit Italian President).

      While many did not vote, this was a nationalist response to a sense of being rendered powerless. When people feel powerless they gravitate to those who challenge the establishment – the EU is pro migrant rights and pro human rights liberalism.

      Hopefully she demands the ECB borrows to refinance nation state debt of (to reduce the cost to the debt to nations not called Germany). For too long one nation has taken in migrants/ required workers and exported using the cheap Euro, while enjoying lower debt and debt cost.

    • Maybe Tiger the “Left” has its roots too deeply entrenched in universalism and utopianism. Universalism is at odds with three great strands of human nature, the sovereign individual, the family, the tribe (read nation, race, creed). Utopianism is the attempt to conceive a better and future replacement the individual, family and tribe with a one size fits all status (for example Marxism).

      Not sure how the Left sorts this out but Id suggest acting locally and keeping things local such as strong unions advocating for the individual worker and their family, or a Labour party that overtly seeks the best for NZ workers against NZ and foreign capital is a good start.

      • You are the one associating the nation with race and creed, as if they are synonymous. That’s a form of exclusionary universalism (not everyone will be of the same race or creed).

        Adding the terms sovereign individual and family, simply clarifies the creed – small government. Strong unions are not local “shops”, they operate nationwide and via national industry awards and fair pay agreements, and from that base preserve each individual workers rights.

        Small government and retreat to local community ends the prospect of resistance to global corporate rule and reign.

        The utopianism you question is an empowered democratic nation.

        In the case of Italy, the EU is a form of regional corporate regime, within the global market. They are in accord in the matter of labour migration. The question is whether Italy accepts being reduced to some focus on a more socially conservative community. If so, the new leader will do nothing to improve matters for Italians, just apply a nationalist varnish to continued economic and political subjugation. That’s just God and mammon oligarchy.

        She should partner up with other southern states to restore the relevance of their democratic governance (to restore budget capacity) via ECB takeover of nation state debt.

        • SPC, thanks for fleshing that out, that gives both sides of the dilemna. By local I probably mean national, as opposed to international but that is a problem when faced with a transnational opponent.

          I agree that I am striving to an empowered democratic nation. Italy and NZ are similar in that we are both beholden to international institutions that purport to be good for us whilst sucking us dry. We both need to join other nations in seeking to contain these institutions to our local democratic will.

  6. I think there is a typo on her poster. Thats supposed to be a “C” not a ‘G”.

    To be fair to everyday Italians is it really about “migrant workers” Trevor? If you had hordes of people from the likes of anywhere flooding across your borders you might be a little less understanding. We are not talking seasonal workers are we. Not so long ago we were talking about boat load after boat load of people seeking refugee status. It is easy to see how people get scared.

  7. Italy has had center left europhiles for the last decade. The result of the election is a rejection of social democracy/Enlightened socialism. The same has occurred in Sweden as Europe (who first embraced social globalism) slowly but surely rejects its tenants of open borders, ‘green’ consumerism and the ‘they and us’ hypocrisy of the political/economic/bureaucratic elite. It is a movement that is gaining traction as the working class realize those above them are trying to make their lives more difficult whilst continuing to enjoy their privilege.

    Meloni is a passionate speaker not afraid of being cancelled – if only New Zimbabwe had a similar political force. Instead we have woke corporates such as Te Reo. Her arguments were solid tenants of center right ideology just 2 decades ago – now she is cast as an extremist.

    • Meloni wants to launch massive progroms against the LGBT community, and impose a theocracy, based on the Bible. She needs to be opposed at all costs. I would gladly go to war against an Italy run by her what proposes to impose reactionary Christianity on Europe.

      We need a new red terror.

      • Yes she has been very vocal about her faith. Good for her but give me a break. I think people fail to realise that a big reason the “wokesters” exist is because of the dumb arse attitudes of people at the other end of the spectrum. Are they so insecure in their own sexuality that two people of the same sex wanting to live together/wed somehow threatens them? It’s not f*cking contagious

      • You must truly loathe democracy. You will only support what you want, not what the majority wants. You can only see things through your own world view. The only way you can achieve what you want is via a new dictatorship with you as Dear Leader. Good luck.

  8. Martyn, The Italian people have had a guts full of the crazy crap that they have had to accept

    – Skyrocketing Power Bills, due to the current thing
    – BS Economic Migrants, dressed up as Refugees
    – Being the EU/NATO Toilet Paper if they complaint about the EU/NATO

    She, Giorgia Meloni, is a normal politician, not far right — Italy has joined Sweden, in rejecting the status quo — Finland is next, then Denmark

    • You would call Africans that regularly drowned in over crowded boats “economic migrants”? Not sure if that’s accurate

      • Wheel – the vast majority of those so called “refugees” arriving in Italy, are not Africans, they are East European/Middle Eastern

    • You would call Africans that regularly drowned in over crowded boats “economic migrants”? Not sure if that’s accurate

      • Wheel – not true, the previous Italian Government did…she has stated Italy needs to be in negotiating with Russia

    • Your normal is different to others “normal” Nathan but good try…

      “Giorgia Meloni (Italian pronunciation: [ˈdʒordʒa meˈloːni]; born 15 January 1977) is an Italian politician and journalist. A member of the Chamber of Deputies in Italy since 2006, she has led the Brothers of Italy (FdI) political party since 2014, and has been the president of the European Conservatives and Reformists Party since 2020. She is expected to become the next Prime Minister of Italy, the first woman to serve in the position.

      Meloni joined the Youth Front, the youth wing of the Italian Social Movement (MSI), a far-right political party with neo-fascist roots, in 1992. She later became the national leader of Student Action, the student movement of National Alliance (AN), MSI’s legal successor. She was a councillor of the Province of Rome from 1998 to 2002, after which she became the president of Youth Action, the youth wing of AN. In 2008, she was appointed Minister of Youth in the Berlusconi IV Cabinet, a role which she held until 2011. In 2012, she co-founded Brothers of Italy (FdI) and became its president in 2014. She took part in the 2014 European Parliament election in Italy, and in the 2016 Rome municipal election as a mayoral candidate; she was not elected in either election. After the 2018 Italian general election, she led FdI in opposition during the entire 18th Italian legislature, letting FdI grow its popularity in opinion polls, particularly during the Draghi Cabinet, in which FdI was the only opposition party. FdI was the most voted party in the 2022 Italian general election.

      A right-wing populist and Italian nationalist, her political positions have been described as far-right, although she rejects this label. She describes herself as a Catholic Christian and a conservative, and claims to defend “God, fatherland, and family”. She is opposed to abortion, euthanasia, and to partnerships, marriages, and parenting by same-sex couples, saying that nuclear families are exclusively headed by male–female pairs. Opposed to the reception of non-European migrants and multiculturalism, she has been accused of xenophobia and Islamophobia. A supporter of NATO, she maintains Eurosceptic views regarding the European Union, which she describes as Eurorealist, and was in favour of better relations with Russia before the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, which she condemned, pledging to keep sending arms to Ukraine. She has expressed controversial views, such as praising Italian dictator Benito Mussolini in 1996 as well as Nazi collaborator and co-founder of MSI Giorgio Almirante in 2020.”

      Most definitely far right.

      • Gus – I read your points, thank you…but, apart from the author stating “far right” every few sentences — I do not see her as far right…She seems to be:
        – Catholic
        – Conservative
        – Socialist

  9. A lot of people would have voted for Meloni because they don’t want to be dragged deeper into a third world war by the EU

  10. So my question is this.
    Can a female woman fascist be more cruel and brutal than a male man fascist or the same or less brutal and cruel?

  11. Martyn’s last paragraph says it all. Forget what you don’t like about the rights policies. That’s what happens when the real people are disillusioned with what they’ve been dished up. Our Labour government with a huge mandate hasn’t changed peoples lives for the better. We know it’s not all labour’s fault but people under the hammer will lash out and our incumbent government is in the firing line.

  12. I think the Lady will be marvellous.
    Great to see people turning away from the idiocy they’ve been dished up in recent times.

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