Um… I know they did crimes but probs best for the police not to beat them. Punishment is for the courts to decide. #nzpol pic.twitter.com/myPW5vxCY2
— Mārx #Efeso4mayor (@jbengee) September 27, 2022
Resisting arrest requires resistance right?
Now, I think we all get and appreciate that everyone is hyped up here and the adrenalin is pumping.
In front of the cops are kids in a stolen car in Flat Bush South Auckland, kids they can beat the shit out of, and we need to accept that right?
Of late the NZ cops have been facing up against actual organised crime criminals who are more than keen to bash the cop first or back, this opportunity that was filmed in Flat Bush allows the cops to bash all that frustration out of 3 frightened kids in a stolen car.
Now, because these are kids who can’t fight back and the cops have all that adrenalin I suppose we can accept two punches by a cop in the heat of the moment towards kids on the ground who aren’t fighting back right?
A quick punchy wunchy in the facey wacey to say, ‘Oi, troubled South Auckland Teen, we ain’t got time for that’ friendly punch in the gob by the local Constable.
But then the cop goes for punch in the face number 3, and you start feeling, ‘well, he’s technically not resisting at this point now, maybe 3 punches to the face night be a wee bit, too much.
And while you are thinking that maybe 3 punches in the face to a kid on the ground who can’t fight back might be a tad over kill, comes punch number 4 to the head.
Now at punch number 4 to the head, you start getting concerned that maybe the cops going to accidentally kill this kid, and while you are being concerned that punch 4 is now way too much, punch 5 comes raining in.
Followed by punch 6, 7 and I think 8?
Police are allowed to use whatever force is necessary to stop you resisting arrest and we grant Police that power because they need to have that, but watch the video a couple of times and see these kids were giving up at the point the car came to a stop.
I counted 15 vehicles to beat the shit out of 3 kids in a stolen car?
That feels like a lot of burglaries that aren’t being solved.
Look, I think we can all grant the cops two clips around the ear to sort these shits out right?
But 3?
4?
5?
6?
7?
At what point was anyone going to stop this?
There will be an investigation into this egregious overkill and no one will be found to have done anything.
No wonder the kids run when the Po po arrive.
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I don’t think many people will be concerned by this Martyn given that people are sick to the teeth of youth crime.
Is that you, Judith? Talofa!
When you are sick to death of the conditions that cause youth crime society will start to improve.
Shit parenting, American rap culture, can’t be bothered going to school. Not likely improving any time soon Bonnie unfortunately.
This video of police brutality illustrates beautifully why The New Zealand Police are not ready for increased powers of search and seizure and use of force.
Sylvian Are you talking about people and how we treat each other and if we don’t like each other for some reason say petty crime, we bash them up? Well I don’t like what you are saying and I feel you are wrong and bad for society and proper behaviour – so it would be right for me to come and dish it out to you if I can, is that what you think?
Greywarbler, I’m saying we have a feral underclass in this country that don’t value education, have parents that have no idea how to parent and are more influenced by American rap culture than any positive role models that might come their way. The bunch in this video are apparantly responsible for the St Lukes jewelery store robbery amongst others. They are responsible for terrorising shop owners and causing untold damage to people’s property, and destroying honest hard working people’s livelihoods. The fear that they have created no doubt will have a lasting negative impact on their victim’s mental health for years. Much like most gang members they are probably a lost cause. If they receive a bit of summary justice the majority of New Zealander’s are not going to be too concerned as people have simply had enough of them. As for coming around and dishing it out to me, your time would probably be better spent hanging around shopping malls and making a citizens arrest of the next person who decides to participate in aggravated robbery.
Preach
“I’m saying we have a feral underclass in this country that don’t value education, have parents that have no idea how to parent and are more influenced by American rap culture than any positive role models that might come their way”
lol – that sounds like my son and his friends who go to decile 10 schools and live in the leafy suburbs.
You misunderstand what it means to be responsible for ones actions.
Equating values is not one for one as in I go to school, get a job, there fore crime statistics fall.
If it was a simple one for one values judgement you would pay more attention to the hundreds of laws that The New Zealand police break rather than the one these children broke.
Said another way what family values do you see in the police interactions with those youth offenders?
Punching a kid multiple times is not what I would call a “role model.”
I don’t have your ludicrous egotism that makes me the arbiter of youth offending. So I’m not trying to give an A grade to police, a D to youth criminals and an F to parents
The values that I think we should follow is not those conservative family values that you’ve stated, it’s the values that we think The New Zealand Police ought to follow.
The police do not treat every crime as a family would and when a police officer is asked about crime it boils down to “I don’t know anything, I don’t care.”
What police talk about is other crimes. They would never disclose malpractice rif amongst The New Zealand Police because those are crimes are crimes that police commanders are responsible for.
It’s a very simple ethical point that you are responsible for predictable consequences of your own actions. You are not responsible for the predictable consequences of other people’s actions.
Need more cope-ium? Understand what I am saying when you talk about the predictable consequences of the parents of youth criminals but you haven’t said what crimes that you are responsible for and for good reasons.
You don’t understand principles and values because you attack other people’s principles and values because you didn’t mention once the crime of excessive force.
I understand fully your hypocrisy and cynicism when bad parents fail and you should understand the hypocrisy and cynicism when we talk about police brutality.
The fact of the mater is The Daily Blog spends a fair amount of effort concentrating on the crimes of our over Lord’s and you concentrate on the petty crimes of people vulnerable people with no power and no say in anything.
The fact of the mater is Martyn Bomber Bradbury does bombastic blogs because of the crimes of the powerful. We do not take pride in our actions.
The most important thing for us in the comments is to concentrate on our own actions. Those are the actions, values and principles you should care about, your own. There are some value propositions that you can influence and then there are those propositions that you can not do anything about.
You misunderstand what it means to be responsible for ones actions.
Equating values is not one for one as in I go to school, get a job, there fore crime statistics fall.
If it was a simple one for one values judgement you would pay more attention to the hundreds of laws that The New Zealand police break rather than the one these children broke.
Said another way what family values do you see in the police interactions with those youth offenders?
Punching a kid multiple times is not what I would call a “role model.”
I don’t have your ludicrous egotism that makes me the arbiter of youth offending. So I’m not trying to give an A grade to police, a D to youth criminals and an F to parents
The values that I think we should follow is not those conservative family values that you’ve stated, it’s the values that we think The New Zealand Police ought to follow.
The police do not treat every crime as a family would and when a police officer is asked about crime it boils down to “I don’t know anything, I don’t care.”
What police talk about is other crimes. They would never disclose malpractice rif amongst The New Zealand Police because those are crimes are crimes that police commanders are responsible for.
It’s a very simple ethical point that you are responsible for predictable consequences of your own actions. You are not responsible for the predictable consequences of other people’s actions.
Need more cope-ium? Understand what I am saying when you talk about the predictable consequences of the parents of youth criminals but you haven’t said what crimes that you are responsible for and for good reasons.
You don’t understand principles and values because you attack other people’s principles and values because you didn’t mention once the crime of excessive force.
I understand fully your hypocrisy and cynicism when bad parents fail and you should understand the hypocrisy and cynicism when we talk about police brutality.
The fact of the mater is The Daily Blog spends a fair amount of effort concentrating on the crimes of our over Lord’s and you concentrate on the petty crimes of people vulnerable people with no power and no say in anything.
The fact of the mater is Martyn Bomber Bradbury does bombastic blogs because of the crimes of the powerful. We do not take pride in our actions.
The most important thing for us in the comments is to concentrate on our own actions. Those are the actions, values and principles you should care about, your own. There are some value propositions that you can influence and then there are those propositions that you can not do anything about.
100%
Kids being bought up with no discipline or consequences from either parents or schools = Coming face to face with reality for the first time in their lives when they try it on with the police.
Seriously where do you come from. your at least 16 years late to the party.
Meanwhile private prisons is a bananza and we should build more and fill em up or something? Unfucken believeable.
You’ve had no new ideas, no training, no background, no expertise and Wana pass around back slaps as if it’s supposed to meam something.
To be honest Sam not sure either if what you have written is in response to my own comment and if it is what the hell it is supposed to mean?
The true irony is Sylvian and I share much the same values. I would leave everyone to their own choices. But there are more intriguing possibilities.
Police are not meant to abuse children just to satisfy your ego. Police are meant to be hero’s, fuckwit.
Yes, I pine for the days when cops could take a young crim into a back alley and give him a dose of rough justice.
Arrhaa. Gotcha
Excessive reaction by police.
Yep amateur mistake by the police, should’ve at least waited until the thugs were in the cop car before giving the shitbags a clip over the ears.
We all have our temptations and if we deprive the police of being told they’re not funny, or they’re taking it to far then they won’t have any control over domination and use of power.
There should be more actual stats put out on crime and youth crime. Comments like ‘crime is out of control’ and people ‘are sick of youth crime’ don’t actually mean things are going one way or the other. The media have decided to focus on every story they can but while that may be fashionable does it mean it’s a new phenomenon or it has always been there? Either way we have an issue but if it’s a constant then that would indicate we need to look at the underlying drivers.
Good on the cops.
Kei te pai – it’s fine. Doesn’t sound right to me. Poor kids joyriding in a car makes good television and people watch it – find it exciting. But then it happens in real life and people like you think it is a good excuse for police having a punch up with all the power and aggression on their side. Not a good look, not a good society, not a good pseudo from you.
Meh. Following the revelations of their lawlessness in the case of the two Northland woman during the Great Delta Lockdowm (which I recaall most TDB commentators being righteously angry and thrilled about at the time), I’d already had my confidence in the cops and the legal system pegged at zero.
As for the “yutes” they likely stole the car on their way to a ram raid as that’s the fave method at the moment. And considering it was people just like them that beat the shit out of our next-door neighbour’s daughter at the GI train station and punched out the son of our other next-door neighbour (both Labour supporters BTW) I’d say that they’ll just shrug their shoulders at this as being no different to what they dish out themselves. Part of the culture and all that.
It’s too much, but at least if it was consistent that’d be one thing. But beating up youth _to the exclusion of dealing with any other crime at all_, that’s too much.
How about actually throwing down with gangs? Or is this car more important than, say, pensioners threatened with death by hardened criminals?
I’m with Bonnie–the levels of “gutsfull” from outraged citizens on crime, would be better directed at what has bought NZ to the situation where 50% own just 2% of the wealth! Crime is actually down overall, but it is up in certain sectors–connected to poverty, inequality, health, race & location.
I don’t blame those burgled, rammed etc. at all for obviously being pissed off. But other nasty, spiteful, dark New Zealanders just love putting the slipper into vulnerable people, or people they feel superior to. NZ Cops still revel in a macho, violent and racial profiling culture. I avoid contact with the pigs as much as I can apart from political activity which they like sticking their snouts into too.
Now now Tiger. The cops were your method of enforcing the Covid lockdowns and other such things – and you loved that. Team of Five Million and all.
Fuck the cops! Leave your dicks at home boyz.
Disgusting and brainless, unprofessional and undignified.
Want to be big, strong, staunch, tough guys do ya? Then go beat up the politicians who manufacture the dysfunctional homes where dysfunctional teenagers are built.
On that note; the real crime is the hideous housing in the back ground. Incubators for tomorrow’s neoliberal bankster-slave battery hens. Plasti-hovels. Tomorrow’s ghettos today. I’m going now to cuddle my dog and look at a birdy because I’m starting to think that humanity was Gods biggest fuck up. I’d always thought it was surely the West Coast sandfly but no.
Incubators for tomorrow’s neoliberal bankster-slave battery hens
From your lips to Giorgia Meloni’s:
“Because when I am only a number. When I no longer have an identity or roots. Then I will be the perfect slave at the mercy of financial speculators. The perfect consumer.”
Where’s the context tho? Did the yoofs narrowly miss primary school kids on the school crossing @135km/h?
Thanks to the PMC soft on crime technocratic “solutions” its only this Rough Justice the yoofs are going to be dealt.
The terrorised law abiding citizens certainly wont get justice from the PMC manning the legal system (and who live in “nice areas” thanks to bloated salaries) as the smirking yoofs are back to it in no time.
NWA said it
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mysterious-interference-on-dunedin-police-radios-includes-rap-music/5GASYOD4A23YCMAJPEUWXFTGRI/
At this rate the kids will start to take the cops serious. Imagine that.
The penny is only just dropping, is it? 😉
Cabbbage. Take the cops “seriously “, not “serious “, ok ? Car thief kids know that the police are not allowed to chase them any more and are meant to just give them a free run, so it must have been a disappointment when cops turned up. Kids could have used hate speech, had bad manners, bit or kicked or spat, but we all know that the police are meant to take them back home to Mum so that they are free to go out and do it again. Happened that way on my patch. Frightening or punching young children in the process of committing a crime isn’t the cops’ job, but if the fallout makes kids take the cops seriously, then every cloud has a silver lining.
They don’t chase them because they should not. A good number of the police have no business driving at high speed on suburban streets because I doubt they have the skills to. Why do so many people think the cops are Lewis F’ing Hamilton?
Wheel Who’s Lewis F Hamilton ? Never heard of him/ her/ it/ them.
Hmm, a few punches for doing a ram raid or a shit kicking for not.
Safer communities together I guess.
no one takes the cops seriously because they’re basically upholding the laws they have to follow – unless you’re a psycho on a bender then they get deadly serious – kids running around causing mayhem is a problem but not really too high on the list – if cops really cared about keeping the public safe they wouldn’t be engaging in high speed chases for mere property crime.
Society demands we have to have a violent society.
Just read the comments ‘here’.
Yes its a sad polarised place we now find ourselves in
I’m not sure how many of these people are trolls, PR agents or bots to be honest. Lot of discredited extreme right “opinions” mirror each other and often have first name and last name joined with a “+” sign. I’d be surprised if a blog like this hasn’t attracted the attention of corporate public relations firms and marketeers
These punks are from deprived homes and like the social media. They deserve a biff, but you start to wonder what all that cop adrenaline would do with a gun in hand. If the youths were in the US of A it could easily have been a killing. A bit scary really when the cops haven’t got the hang of reasonable force.
We already have more than twice as many police shootings per hundred thou as Australia does, which is pretty amazing when you consider it. If we had universal arming it’d be like Brazil on the streets.
Looks like every police car in Auckland is there.
Change the context. Get rid of the bottles stores. Owners can be channelled into useful work or repatriated. Slash the price of cigarettes then slash it again. They don’t cause mayhem and we’re all gonna die come what may. School book clubs as well as breakfast clubs can lead into a different world, and don’t blame the teachers for wrecking of the education system – credit where credit’s due – the boffins up Bowen Street, training away daily to Tawa, Johnsonville, the Hutt, and the Wairarapa, blandly unaware of the havoc they gestate, purposely or not. Find politicians with guts, passion, and brains, if poss. I just voted a teacher from Wellington Boys’ College onto the WCC, it’s a start.
Sheeeet!
Concur with all the above thoughts but hell’s bells, that looked totally unprovoked and these are still kids we are talking about (Crims no doubt but still kids).
If I couldn’t give my 8 yr old a swat round the arse for tormenting his 3 yr old sister (a situation once faced) then why would we think it is acceptable for police to do this to A) Teens they may or may not know and B) What seems to be teens that were unresisting (Just looking at the guy copping the beating)
Unless the Police had reason to believe they had weapons on them, I cant see any justification for this and no doubt if they thought they had weapons they would’ve had the armed defenders squad around to shoot them all instead!
If you fly with the crows expect to get shot at. No sympathy.
Bunch of garbled prejudices rather than reasoned discussion mostly above.
Maybe this is the type of action the Opposition expect from the Police when they say we have gone soft on crime?
I am reminded of Poto Williams comments when she was the Minister of Police when she commented to the effect that she was sure Mark Mitchell would love to be riding shotgun with the boys.
Peter Kelly. Mark did much better in the tragic spoils of Iraq, so much so that Tracey Watkins seemed to see him in the mold of John Key. Who would have guessed that an ex-police dog handler could have made such really big bucks returning cuddly little doggies to their devastated shell-shocked owners, as the story goes. But these are children not lost puppies, and there is a difference, in a manner of speaking.
Just wondering how much other crime this little gang has been involved in. 3 out of control teenagers can be a crime wave all by themselves. NZ cops are underpaid, understaffed, unsupported by the Left and its limp “hug the crims” approach that lets repeat offenders back into the community to cause more pain and anguish to ordinary Kiwis.
I understand you have a grudge against NZ police, but defending law and order is a tough job when 501s are running rampant and shitting on the law.
yeah – well – lets see the cops taking out a few 501’s instead of creating more – these kids will be out with a youth court family meeting and back to the next joyride
this sort of behaviour just entrenches stereotypes and escalates the situation – as if a few punches is going to do anything other than make these kids “stauncher” in their attitudes towards authority and the “system” – fuck the pigs – lol
Duh here’s your education: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRydxW3l1o0
Those little shits deserve everything coming to them. Good on the police. Sick of these shits ruining peoples livelihoods and driving dangerously potentially with deathly results.
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