The sheer balls of Seymour’s race baiting is as gasp inducing as Rawiri’s unfunniness & Morgan Godfery for the win

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ACT Party leader David Seymour wants apology over Māori Party joke

ACT Party leader David Seymour wants an apology after Māori Party co-leader Rawiri Waititi joked about poisoning Seymour with karaka berries.

Waititi made the joke during the Māori Party’s annual conference at the weekend, telling the audience he would use the karaka berries that made up a necklace he was wearing to poison Seymour.

“I’m genuinely concerned that the next step is that some slightly more radical person doesn’t think it’s a joke,” Seymour said.

Waititi, speaking of the necklace on stage at the event, said: “These are making my neck itchy … These are karaka berries, and they still got the poison in them, ka pai?”

“There you are, re-indigenise yourself with some native seeds … I hope that wasn’t livestreamed, because if our man carks it, we know what happened: [co-leader] Debbie poisoned him”.

There was laughter in the room at the remarks.

Let’s be clear, Rawiri is a dick and he’s as funny a stand up comedian as Kelvin Davis is a spoken word poet…

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…clearly joking about killing politicians in the current febrile landscape that is ripe for political violence is fucking stupid and it allows Seymour to play the high ground, which is equally fucking ridiculous because push beyond this theatre of the offended and you have  the naked reality that ACT’s policy platform is radioactively far right and if implemented would see a race war erupt in NZ.

Look at ACT’s policies…

  • Cut and freeze the Minimum wage
  • Interest back on all student loans
  • No Kiwsaver subsidy
  • Cancel winter energy payment
  • Dump all climate crisis legislation
  • no more best start payments for families with new borns
  • cut welfare payments
  • no tax credits for research and development
  • cuts to working for families
  • $7b a year cut in public services
  • Abolish Maori seats
  • Abolish Human Rights Commission
  • Abolish the Ministry of Māori Affairs
  • Abolish the Ministry for Women
  • Abolish the Ministry for Youth
  • Abolish the Ministry of Pacific People
  • Abolish the Ministry of Ethnic Communities

Let’s be very clear, ACTs call to strip the Treaty out of every law would start a race war.

Game it out:

  • David Seymour cuts a deal with National in 2023 and launches its purge of every Maori political win since the Treaty was signed.
  • Shutting down every co-governance arrangement would provoke absolute outrage within Māoridom and spark a vast number of immediate legal cases which would jam down any legislative process as every single decision made after Parliament passed  the law ending co-governance would become challenged. Political protests would erupt around the country and local councils would find local resistance as Māori groups universally set up occupations of shared governance assets.
  • Likewise, abolishing Māori seats would ignite enormous protests, many of which would quickly escalate into violence. The UN would criticise NZ snuffing out indigenous voting rights and we would face global condemnation.
  • The New Government would then attempt to find anyone within Maoridom who would willingly negotiate new Treaty ‘provisions’ with them. No one within Māoridom would willingly negotiate these and so the New Government, while dealing with increasingly violent weekly protests in the street, would announce that they are universally negotiating these new provisions on behalf of Māoridom. The news that not only has the New Government ended co-governance and abolished the Maori seats but are also now redefining the entire Treaty by themselves inspires all out violent protest and the New Government respond with increasing use of special terror laws and paramilitary Police to keep a lid on the escalating fury within Māoridom at the loss of their political rights.
  • Increasingly global media attention is scathing towards the New Government.
  • Donald Trump calls the New Government ‘wise’.
  • While ending co-governance, abolishing Maori seats AND renegotiating the entire Treaty on their own, the New Government then announces that the Waitangi Tribunal is being ended. This causes an eruption of anger within Maoridom that manages to eclipse the current rage and entire regions are now in open revolt.
  • Before the New Government are even in a position to remove consultation processes, Maori customary rights and any Māori funding, the country is plunged into a full blown race war which the New Government are not able to control.
  • Vast chunks of the military refuse to open fire on a public demonstration after the New National/ACT Government order them to.

David can be as much of a smug intellectual as he likes, and he can pretend to be offended by Rawiri but selling raw meat racism to angry white males with policy promises that would lead to a race war isn’t clever politics, it’s fucking dangerous and it’s fucking ugly.

One of the things voters need to understand, is that when the right hold up co-governance like a Maori Health Authority, it’s not a seperate hospital for Māori only right?

I made this point in April of this year on Waatea…

OPINION: What does Chris Luxon see when he thinks ‘Māori Health Authority’?

Hand on heart, I’m not sure Chris Luxon understands what the Māori Health Authority is.

He keeps saying he doesn’t support a ‘separate’ health system and that all the Māori Health Authority will do is create more bureaucracy.

The way Chris sells it, the ‘Māori Health Authority’ would be a separate hospital, with a perpetual Haka and powhiri out front that only serves Māori while turning away Pakeha. He seems to envisage a premium health service for Māori while everyone else gets a second class system.

The reality of course is far less exciting.

…Morgan Godfery picks this point up and smashes the Rights argument…

Morgan Godfery: The Māori Health Authority isn’t separatist. It’s necessary.

…what really drives Pakeha fear of co-governance? The same fear that drives every colonial white descendent of injustice, that those we abused in the past will seek vengeance against us once they gain parity. Too often these fears justify ongoing control and with the rise of ACT and their far right agenda, those fears have real voice and a genuine chance of being implemented.

I don’t know how many times I need to keep pointing this out!

If this ACT madness gets anywhere near being implemented, this country will be plunged into civil unrest the likes we have never seen before in NZ.

That ACT are polling 10% shows how far the culture war polarisation that the woke activist base have fed has come back to bite us in the arse!

Less cancelling for pronouns, far more policy that makes life materially better for the poorest!

 

 

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85 COMMENTS

    • Maori Seats are not a problem, they still give 1 person/1 vote; what we need to limit is the extreme influence MMP gives to minor parties in a coalition.

    • Nathan It is high time that you came to a considered decision as to whether NZ is alert and wise enough to understand your cogitations and I think you should ditch us and go off to some other realm or blog where they like short sharp thoughtless impractical inanities!

      However you have got me thinking instead of doing my daily chores, and it’s a bit long I am sorry. But longform thinking and reading, is very necessary these days. I hope that this will get read and perhaps responded to by thoughtful people beyond your ’10 second’ attention span.

      And just to reply to your latest pseudo opinion, the Maori seats are necessary to ensure that there always are Maori in Parliament as there should be, and it is a sign and symbol that they will always be there with opportunity to have a say and an understanding about the way the country is governed, and what is plannned and envisaged. Their presence is a surety, though different members may be chosen, and is an indication that the non-Maori, or tauiwi, respect Maori as people and their rights, and the certainty of their presence and voice goes to advance raakau tautoko.

      If someone else with knowledge of Maori thinking and culture wants to add or amend what I have written, I think it would be a good time to follow on before attention is deflected in our fast-changing present. But not to write something completely negative I advise, as that would add to the idea that we can never achieve good working systems between the different groups in society, or even between people.

      If we can’t get people to accept each other and deal to each other’s good qualities then we will move towards authoritarianism when we won’t have any chance to discuss and disagree, make jokes about each other, argue, table our practical plans, add the spiritual and human dimension, and finally go forward with an agreed project or one compromised slightly but suitable to nearly all. (This allowing for the few who will never let go of their negative certainties.)

      Maori have stellar qualities, in all meanings of the word, which pakeha need to recognise, as Maori have already done with pakeha, but they have also seen the flaws which superior pakeha overlook. Each people is embedded and enculturated in their own ways and understandings, and has to regularly step forward to meet the other and combine the wisdoms and match points of view, ‘compare and contrast’. Together we could come through these testing times retaining our polity with a better ‘greener’, slower society that reflects human values and needs, setting aside targeting unreasonable goals, 100% efficiency except where necessary, also the desire for capital accretion and more of everything.

      • Greywarbler … I could write long, pointless statements….but that’s BS, and only good for ego massaging…as for the considered decision about moving to another blog…where the fuck do you get off writing that? Piss off loser!

        • OK Nathan if that will help your ego I will take a break. Make good use of it to advance your sensible ideas for NZ going forward which if we don’t find soon, will mean that we will all be losers, and that will really piss me off and it will be your fault for wishing that.

        • @Nathan
          Did Greywarbler’s sensible support of Martyn’s critique of David Seymour have too many syllables for you Nathan?
          Some question for you Nathan?
          Shouldn’t you be over on Slater’s BFD Website, sniffing and licking red meat, and stoning women?
          Why come to a middle of the political spectrum site and get aggressive when commenters use cogent argument, with polysyllables?
          Are your other pen-names Eggstein, or Donnadumbass?
          Are your alt-right views “just the tip” of the “stroke shamers” on the Greywarbler’s comments, indicative proof of Michael Kosta’s view on why you alt-rights are so angry?https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/daily-show-correspondent-explores-not-135107986.html

          Make your argument, and put it up for discussion/debate and don’t play the man Nathan.

          Otherwise you are just another Cameron Slater alter-ego clone, a racist, misogyny, wack-fester, coming over to bait the left and middle with your hate-speech

          • To both Mike Judge and Greywarble — if you instruct other people to move on because you don’t like their ideas/opinions — it does not say much about you two…this is a classic woke left move…my opinions are right, therefore you must be wrong…

            • Our views are correct and black and white. Seymour’s a redneck racist. If Luxon makes a deal with him for coalition in 2023, then Luxon embraces racism and Luxon doesn’t have the verbal sophistry to mansplain this to the electorate. The easiest thing Seymour and Luxon can do is make the next election a referendum on Maori Seats. Come out now and say they will abolish them. Make it a black and white issue and see who wins. There are more white people here in New Zealand, should be an easy win for NACT. They can even use this slogan if they like, royalty free.
              Maori seats racist. MMP seats fair and even.
              Make your vote count vote no matter what colour you are. ACT and National will get rid of racism in New Zealand and abolish Maori Seats (PS and we’ll also get rid of Matariki Holiday too)

              Good luck with the election with this on the ballot and billboards. Bring back Brash into the race debate!

    • Is there anywhere in the Maori Party constitution that doesn’t allow white people to run for Maori seats?

  2. It’s not a question of having ‘balls’ though is it? It’s a question of having no soul, no conscience, no Class and despite his Satanic ability to entrance some people, he’s dumb as dirt. He’s a cold blooded, bleak little fish sloshing about in the jizz of his own making. Narcissistic psychopaths can’t help themselves can they. That funny little thing is the spawn of roger douglas and roger douglas destroyed our wonderful country which was just about to break out of its colonial shackles and become an independent and egalitarian leader on the world stage. douglas, a traitor, and twerking seymour should both be in prison or tagged at the very least.
    You’ll also notice, in that vile list, there’s no mention of MP’s having their already massive salaries cut.
    I also wonder how many old Kiwi Rats have our money secreted away in trust fund accounts?
    Remember that muldoon had a Swiss bank account. He was photographed scurrying across the tarmac, fresh back from Switzerland and clutching a brief case.
    ( No disrespect to actual rats.)
    Cheers @ Malcolm Evans for this.
    The Spiders Web
    “Michael Oswald’s film The Spider’s Web reveals how at the demise of empire, City of London financial interests created a web of secrecy jurisdictions that captured wealth from across the globe and hid it in a web of offshore islands. Today, up to half of global offshore wealth is hidden in British jurisdictions and Britain and its dependencies are the largest global players in the world of international finance. ”
    https://youtu.be/np_ylvc8Zj8

    • Re your wearisome vitriol on how Douglas ruined the country that was “just about to break out of its colonial shackles and become an independent and egalitarian leader on the world stage”. As I recall it, Muldoon had taken us to the very verge of bankruptcy, our foreign reserves were emptied trying to prop up the NZD, and our diplomats were asked to prepare to draw Fx on their credit cards to help. Agree or disagree with Douglas’s policies – but the 4th Labour government saved our arse, by doing unpopular but necessary things.

      • until you know the ‘crisis’ was arraigned by a cabal of monetarists in the treasury dept, jason

      • Jason thats how it was sold to the public, in reality this had been planned for by Roger Douglas beforehand and unfortunately David Lange was (for whatever reason )unable to counteract the neoliberals in his government . To our forever dismay there were more neoliberals than were realized. This ethos by these so called Labour party MPS forever sold us down the river and will never be forgiven in the heartland Labour party.

  4. Seymour’s got a point. There are those who’d see a poison joke as a call to arms – it’s not like this party leader person is a gifted Billy T James, he’s just a pollie who feels threatened by neckties and wears cowboy hats indoors. And if the pretend Minister for Children is pretending to be a poet again, somebody please wake me and tell me that this is all a terrible dream. It is easier to get into heaven than to be published in “ Landfall “ and Kelvin Davis will never make it into either and nor should he. I see his bitter shoulders as no more than a resting place for gulls.

    • David Seymour can dish it out he can’t take it. He undermines everything Maori. This undermining can only lead to one thing and you can be the judge of that.

        • @PPII He isn’t just racist against Maori, he’s racist against Pacifica, immigrants AND Maori, as well as misogynist against women and ageist against youth. The only one he isn’t against are elderly …oops, forgot Seymour’s Kavorkian Referendumb. Read the artic.e you are commenting on FFS….

          Abolish Maori seats
          Abolish Human Rights Commission
          Abolish the Ministry of Māori Affairs
          Abolish the Ministry for Women
          Abolish the Ministry for Youth
          Abolish the Ministry of Pacific People
          Abolish the Ministry of Ethnic Communities

          What’s the matter PPII? – too busy concentrating on moving pedophile priests around your pedophile Popedom?

          • Considering that none of those entities achieve absolutely anything but as a function for a bunch of Wellington bureaucracates to receive massive govt salaries, then yep I’ve no problem with ending every single one of them.

          • Tell me Mr. Judge, what do any of those ministries do that is actually useful? I’m still waiting for you to explain what specific, tangible benefits result from the billions spent annually on those demographic ministries.

        • PP11, by his words and deeds. He is a silly little conman who thinks free speech is only for him. We all aspire to be free in a democratic country so why does David Seymour constantly want to abolish all things Maori they aspire to be as free as the rest of us. I know lets get rid of his free Epsom seat he didn’t even have to work for.

  5. I feel this Labour government is the most divisive in years but Maori do not seem to be making any real gains just a lot of depts with Maori names unfortunately this does not put any food on the table

    • So Trevor were National divisive when they signed us up to the UN Charter then started frameworks for co governance? That’s not being what-about-ist by the way, as I don’t think National were. They are of course being complete pricks now by pretending they didn’t get the ball rolling.

      Someone else was making the same point about vaccines the other day saying the government had divided families. What!? The way you treat/react to your family members being tin foil doffers, genuinely phobic, just f’ing stubborn, or in agreement, is not on the government. That’s on us. There seems to be a lot of right of center folks who accuse people of not thinking for themselves but then blame the government for the way they treat their own family members.

    • Yes Trevor most divisive in our history and yet some try blame the right wing who are in opposition?
      David Seymour has the courage to raise these issues and good on him.
      Dish it out but he can’t take it? On the contrary he wouldn’t dish it out if he couldn’t take it.No shrinking violet David Seymour.
      Yes most divisive Government ever and their solution change the names of government departments but not the direction.
      Abysmal.

      • This pathetic right-wing argument about Jacinda Ardern being ‘divisive’ is pure bullshit. She has united our country better than anyone(during 1st Covid shutdown) and all the noise about ‘divisive’ comes only from knobs who never wanted Jacinda in the first place.
        That includes knob Bob

        • Knob Bob, is actually better than me calling him a cock, so well done you In Vino.
          To use Bobs own words, because his opinion is so tiring now…”most divisive in our history”

          “Is that the rights fallback line?
          I read Bobs opinions and now they read blah, blah, blah.

          He is a right wing retard and gives genuine right wing supporters like Frankie and Trevor a really really bad name.
          Now we know that National believe in a low wage economy, which in itself means the haves and the have nots. Therefore logically, National, particularly under the last administration are the most divisive in our political history, no dispute.

    • Typical right wing snowflake, feelings trump facts.

      Or is it more over like most of your kind, they forget how fubar it was under john the fetishist key for anyone who was not a greedy arsehole.

  6. Equality is racism. Science is censorship. Human rights commission gives a shit about human rights. 2 + 2 = 5.

  7. 100 million dollars on the moon and Maori mental health says it all.

    Totally wasted, won’t make a scrap of difference at all .

  8. The race baiting definitely not Seymour.
    Just imagine if the boot was on the other foot.
    The desire to undermine Seymour will backfire most of us can read.

    • Oh hell yes. Everyone knows if Seymour said the same thing about Waititi the word racist would cease to exist due to over use. I can’t believe so many here continually defend pure racist bullshit like that.

      I used to vote for the Maori Party. I don’t see that happening again if those 2 utter muppets are the result of doing so. They make Maori look weak, needy and greedy….not to mention plainly stupid.

        • Wheel I liked you better when you were just polishing every single turd on every post about the government.
          Actual racism doesn’t suit you.

          • Just as well I am not racist then. I am guessing here, but if removing DHBs is a turd then I am guilty of polishing. As for other issues I think the government does poorly on a lot of them but it’s too hard not to refute some of the posts that are made about them.

    • Sorry Bob why are there separate rules? I haven’t seen anyone support what Rawiri said and David Seymour ( the self proclaimed Māori) has had plenty of air time to voice his concern. It’s quite possible for them both to be idiots.

      • Why are there separate rules? Dunno, you tell us. Can we vote in a maori ward? Can we play for the Maori All Blacks? Is there a PHA…pakeha health authority? Is there a ministry for pakeha?

        • I suppose with a name like yours, @Sour Kraut, you’d be a supporter of the apartheid regime in South Africa too. That was a great system for you ex-German whiteys eh Sour Kraut? No rights for the ‘kaffirs’, you ‘verdammte rooineck’.

        • Well SK you might be an exception, but there seems to be a whole lot of men that are eligible to play for the Māori All Blacks so probably not the best example. Yes by the way there is a Pakeha health authority. I believe it’s called the Ministry of Heath.

  10. Seymour’s dangerous no doubt, but weirdly likeable/admirable with his consistent spin. Does he truly believe his own policies, or is he just playing the game? It irks me to feel this way. He’s definitely super sly. His 2IC is more obvious scum to me

  11. We have a political system which allows all comers and that is a wonderful thing.

    Seymour is more reasoned and less offensive than Waititi. Waititi is a common garden race separatist. An unfunny, unpleasant buffoon who thinks that because his ancestors were severely trespassed against 140 years ago, that he gets the right to call everyone else racist and to threaten people.

    I dont think Seymour believes half of what he says and lots of it is nutty stuff to grab the further right vote. However he is not wrong about 3 issues, all of which are sinking NZ.

    1. Co GOvernance and more importantly the undemocratic way in which it is being foisted on people.
    2. Government waste and the massive economic damage being done (Its not just the woke commissions that need dealing too, its rotten in most govt departments and NGOs)
    3. Non delivery of services and the massive damage being done to the entire country and social fabric.

    Any NZer who understands the basics of economics , governance and democracy has to be very concerned about all these issues. Pity we dont have a decent alternative in Luxon who I think would be a mistake for the Nats to go into the election with. Its obvious by now that the JK fanclub have figured out that he is not the second coming).
    I think they should do a Jacinda and shove in someone like Erica Stanford or Chris Penk (Both more palatable than Luxon) and come up with some decent policy.

    • Sorry Fantail I can’t agree that we have a wonderful political system. We have a system that the party with the most votes doesn’t get elected. Mmm that’s fair. Look at our wonderful minority parties. Not only do they pick who wins but they themselves are either racist and separatist or just useless. It might be healthy to have minor parties but MMP certainly isn’t delivering good government in my opinion. The elections turn into a silly game with king makers etc while those that vote for whatever party and get the numbers can be left with nothing. Wonderful.

  12. During the prison-riots/standoff Rawiri Waititi earned himself some mana. I remember even my mother being impressed with him and his ability to deescalate the situation – Rawiri Waititi is NOT the sort of politician she’d usually go for either!

    Unfortunately Rawiri AND Debbie have both since spewed a lot of unhelpful comments, accusations and “jokes” that have been at times borderline racist.

    As for Seymour, this is not the first time Rawiri and Debbie have come after him in a totally inappropriate manor. Perhaps they are trying to court the ‘radical-Maori-vote’ and are uninterested in the rest of us?

    I think they have let themselves down BIG TIME lately. My message to them is; “PULL YA HEADS IN !!”

    • I do hope that you Nathan and all that are advocating it here, make ACT and National be upfront promise to GET RID OF THE MAORI SEATS

      Can’t be more democratic than that Nathan, can we. Then it is out in the open for all of you whiteys to vote on. If you want to get rid of the Maori seats, vote NACT. If not then vote for any of the others. Better than promoting it to Orewa or Milford Rotary clubs. Judging by the vitriol here on Martyn’s Blog about Maori seats here, NACT will ‘piss-in’ on this policy alone.

      Look forward to you keyboard warriors getting off your fatarses and lobbying National and ACT to have this as a key policy for 2023 election.

  15. Outrageous race baiting Martyn, Seymour is renown for it. The ACT party is New Zealand’s white supremacy party.

  16. How stupid is seymour?
    He could not be wary if someone offered him a karaka berry to eat. What country did he grow up in?

  17. Some papers that Professor Kidman has written/worked on:
    Joanna is working on two Marsden projects
    He Taonga te Wareware: Remembering and Forgetting New Zealand’s Colonial Past investigates how New Zealanders selectively remember and forget difficult and violent events from our colonial past

    What Inspires and Sustains Young People’s Engagement in Social Movements?, led by A/P Karen Nairn, University of Otago, explores the ways that hope for a better future motivates young New Zealanders to engage with politics and new social movements
    https://people.wgtn.ac.nz/Joanna.Kidman

    The second one should reveal some important matters and indicate fruitful approaches for the Older People’s Engagement in Social Movements that will benefit the young – the direction that older and retired people should be addressing.

    Perhaps TDB should have a study project that commenters could work on and get a grant to do so?
    We are certainly applying ourselves to reveal and explain important matters to NZ.

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